You guys ready to dump on Colin Powell?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by GeorgeB., Oct 18, 2008.

  1. #1
    Should Colin Powell endorse Barack Obama tomorrow on Meet The Press, are you guys all prepared with your links and youtube videos to prove he sucks and never was really down with the cause?

    Ready to rip him apart and question his patriotism and reliability like the former White House Press Secretary when he dimed out the Bush administration? Will he become an even worse human being than Chris Buckley?
     
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    I don't think he will endorse Barack Obama, if he was going to do that, he would of done that a long time again
     
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    Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for President this morning. Meet the Press right now, but he made the announcement earlier. To be updated.
     
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    Was there any doubt that he wasn't going to endorse Obama. Racism is running deep in the election.
     
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    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    Oh noes :eek:

    And it's homebiz early out of the gate with the race card! This is going to be good.
     
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    Obama is great at brain washing, you know talking, saying what you want to hear,the brain washing coupled with the race guilt leads to an endorsement.
     
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    There it is. Disgusting, as usual. The same people who called Obama's seminal speech on race "race baiting" will refer to anything said by a black person in support of Obama as necessarily a "race thing," just as they said, on this very forum, that any white voting for Obama does so out of "white guilt."

    As Powell said, when Brokaw poised the notion already on display here on DP, "if this was a race thing, I would have endorsed him 7, 8 months ago." He then proceeded to discuss his reasoning in further detail.

    Powell's reasoning was extensive, and remarkable - among the comments (more to come) - "he isn't Muslim. He's a Christian. But if he were, why would that matter?," and in so many words, "isn't this America?" Then Powell movingly described the death of an Iraq War soldier, whose grave is at Arlington, who was a young Muslim. Beautiful testament to what America should be about, no matter what the ignorant would wish us to be. Those same people would build another Manzanar. Not the kind of bald racism on display here, already. May such views recess into the dustbin of history, and choke on the bile of its own making. Not in my country.

    Edited: posted before Biz's further frenzied disgorgement. "Guilt," hmm...wonder where I've heard that before.

    Biz, the country has left your worldview behind. Good.
     
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    Umm.... my uninformed forum mate...

    Did you even listen to Colin's endorsement? He laid out a LOT of reasons why he endorses Barack. Well thought out and valid reasons. He even went on to flat out say that Palin is NOT ready to be Vice President. Basically what all you republicans are really thinking behind closed doors. Well the smart ones anyway....

    Look the Republicans are proud of Colin Powell being a Republican. Always have been. Spin it all you want, but I KNOW this stings a bit. ;)
     
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    I have a tremendous amount of respect for Colin Powell and I think the current administration did him a huge disservice. He's a man of tremendous experience and as far as I'm concerned unimpeachable integrity, so I can't imagine him making a decision based on race. If he were in this election I'd vote for him before either of the men running.

    That said, the reason I like him has to do with his experience and integrity, and notwithstanding his endorsement I think of the two candidates I have available the one that scores higher on those two factors is McCain. I DID listen to his entire statement, and while I don't disagree with all of it, I place higher emphasis on the two factors above than on some of the factors he stated.

    Informed disagreement doesn't reduce my respect for Powell, I've differed with people I liked before, will probably do so in the future.
     
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    Race was a factor in Powell's decision.

    Powell said he was cognizant of the racial aspect of his endorsement, but said that was not the dominant factor in his decision.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_on_el_pr/powell#full

    Powell also said that he remains a republican.
     
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    Except when he took part in fabricating the case for the war on Iraq.
    He even spoke at the UN how dangerous Iraqis WMD were ... blah, blah, blah ...

    So much for that man's honor, integrity, dignity .... has blood on his hands just like all those who voted for it.
     
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    I am glad that Powell endorsed Obama, if not, he would have been remembered as a traitor (uncle Tom). Powell wants to be remembered for ever and endorsing McCain would have marred the legacy.
     
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    The article is a lie. Here's the article:

    And here's the actual text, from Meet the Press, today:

    He's right. It's just a fact. It is historical. It is symbolic. To turn that recognition - something, I think, most of would acknowledge, privately or publically, into:

    or

    Is just yesterday's worldview, and long past due to be swept away with yesterday's garbage.

    Now, Bogart, you have been among the most active in consistently insinuating Obama is some kind of Manchurian candidate/Islamicist terrorist plant. You have posited this over the course of many months, here.

    At the same time, during these smears, you've had this to say about Colin Powell:

    To the legitimate question, "is racism behind much of the insinuations/smears against Obama," you responded with:

    In that same post, you also said:

    Elsewhere:

    and

    And now, as predicted, the voices sharpest in their smear on Obama, attempting to portray "it isn't a race thing," call it a "race thing" the moment the man they say they admire - Colin Powell - endorses Obama.

    I'll gladly talk about your very interesting ranching experiences, or Norman history, or a lot of subjects, Bogart. But it is inescapable to me that you, and others with your worldview, have not been honorable respecting Barack Obama and his candidacy - not by any wildest stretch of understanding.

    Rob, I have nothing but respect for this post.
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    Powell provides a very powerful and meaningful endorsement. After years of being friendly with John McCain and advising McCain he turned to support Obama. Very startling. Newt Gingrich acknowledged that it is indeed important.

    It really rips into questions about experience or questions about Obama's ability to defend the nation.

    It also speaks to the difficulty many have with the rightest element within the Republican party.

    Chris Buckley, Bill Buckley's son, writer, humourist, conservative columnist, and former speech writer for the first President Bush recently came out and endorsed Obama. As a result he was fired from writing for the National Review (even as he owns 1/7 of the magazine).

    In commenting upon his endorsement which is so surprising coming from the son of one of the seminal thinkers and writers about modern conservatism, Buckley quoted his father saying as his father had (paraphrase)....he spent a lifetime differentiating between the true conservatives and the nuts".

    A number of Republican's endorsing Obama simply have a terrible time with the swing and tendencies of the Republican party as its actions are dominated by the extreme Right. Powell's comments emphasized that problem.
     
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    Will this endorsement translate into votes?
     
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    In the past, I think the record shows, no, not tremendously. But this is a watershed election, in terms of newly mobilized populations, or populations in flux, and I do think it may weigh more than in the past. I agree with Earl - I think Powell's endorsement (and his specifics on why) will toss a serious chink in the armor in the whispered doubt among some that Obama is merely a kind of kid, who got where he is on a bright smile.
     
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    My opinion of Colin Powell hasn't changed because he has decided to endorse Obama.

    On Obama, I believe that we will get more of 'Jimmy Carter' than 'Colin Powell'. Obama has a belief that Government should do more. The Chicago left 'discovered' Obama and his is their candidate. Perhaps Obama will make a break with some of the organizations and leftist people that have supported him.
     
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    I bolded the last sentence. Should Obama win, I too hope that Obama veers toward the center and away from the far left.

    Both parties have extreme elements. In a sense I believe Powell was reacting to the extreme elements of the Republican Party.

    G-d knows. He saw it first hand.
     
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    You mean the neocons and the socialists?
     
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    How would you define those terms and whom would you use as examples?
     
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