If Obama is elected he will have more of a headache than just the economy. He will have to deal with the war, the FBI investigation of commercial banks, the deficient and the list goes on and on.
And his own scandals. Acorn, Rezko, do we really need to go on? That they do. The ignore function should extend to quoted posts too. It's refreshing not having to see each thread muddled up with nonsense and attacks.
Yeah, what he sez! All this attackin' n' stuff' really gits 1 down, 'n all, fellas, particularly when it is a vet who endured more than either of you insipid ____ will know. All this waxin' is really grinding the boards smooth - lay off, will ya?
Why is there so many people here acting like children lately? Can we not have discussions here without stooping to these childish tactics? For grown men that say they have experience, served our country, study the constitution, you guys sure at like babies when someone doesn't agree with you..... Can we stop and get back on topic please?
I would love to get back on topic, I am guilty of 'acting like a child'. Certain things however just drive me nuts, one being flat out lies, accusations with absolutely no proof, total disregard for the constitution among others. I have no problem with 'disagreeing' with people, I actually enjoy those convo's when they are based on facts and actual intelligent discussion at hand. Not much of that going around lately though
Firegirl, you've done this a number of times, and so far, it seems you've done so in response to engagements I find myself in; I'm going to ask you to go to the mods, if you've a problem. Now, as I've been called in this thread a disgrace and a traitor to my country, a moron, an idiot, and so forth, I'll respond as I see fit, particularly when one of the assholes calling me that has twisted his statements as reflected above regarding a vet who did serve, and the other hasn't seen an honorable discussion to save his life. If you feel I'm being unduly harsh, I'm sorry - but as in the past, when it was my recently dead brother who'd just been trashed, you decided to hit my response, rather than what elicited it, you're doing the same here. I think Logic's comment then was appropos, here as then. Bottom line - I've tried to remain civil with you, you're having pursued this before, but I'm going to ask you to take it up with the mods, please.
I could not agree more. Again, that is what the ignore feature is for: Its much easier to have a conversation that way.
As before, Firegirl posts her rant, and Mia responds within seconds, a moth to a flame: Can't understand why anyone would take issue with any of this. I mean, after all, being called a traitor to his country, having served, by a guy who never served, puking such honorable posts as: Yep, for the life of me, can't get why that might be considered out of line.
You can think it was directed right at you NPT, but it was directed to many. Not just you. Just annoyed that some of you are much better people than to stoop to these levels. And I think we need to let the past lie and move on. Yes, I am upset that Guerilla seems to have been chased off, even after apologizing. If I tried to chase off everyone that made derogatory comments about me, there would be a lot of people missing. You seem to be pretty sensitive NPT, and if someone bothers you, please put them on ignore, but don't chase people off and prevent other people from interacting with them.... I've said my peace.... Now, back to topic: has anyone heard that Obama has been having dress rehearsals for the debate? Man, he's getting serious!
Firegirl, you chose to post directly after my post(s), rather than to the post(s) eliciting the response - twice. Once involving what I think is a damn sensitive thing for anyone, here, involving an ignorant set of lads calling me a traitor to my country, an "over educated moron," and "idiot." Your choice, fine, but it's my impression you've a problem that you're not directly addressing. As an example, you've completely missed the mark regarding Guerilla and myself, since: Is just untrue. In fact, I was very glad Guerilla and I moved on, said so, and publically, we both apologized to each other; I have no issue with him any longer. I recall somewhere over the last few weeks that someone and he had an exchange, and Guerilla said he would be leaving - which I find to be a loss, since he's an intelligent guy, and he has brought me to think on things I didn't think on before. I won't post it all, and certainly won't post Guerilla's gracious reply, but this was our last exchange via PM, as I sent it to him. He had sent me a source on classical liberalism, it's been a long time since I'd formally studied this, and I was grateful; so I concluded with: Your beacon seems to be trained on me for reasons unknown to me, leading you to make what I would say is a pretty badly informed set of positions. Regarding my "thing" with Guerilla, you may want to ask Guerilla, if you've got this impression, because, well, it simply isn't there.
To his credit, this is the biggest moment of his short life. He's never debated at this level and until now has only proven himself a great orator. Let's see how he does without a script, though I doubt that will be the case. McCain has been doing this a while. While I'm not a fan of his debating skills, I can certainly respect his expertise in the "Town Hall" format. Apparently its a place where he has always excelled and has done quite well and feels most comfortable. Obama appears to be most comfortable reading a prepared speech. Hopefully the moderator asks some good questions and holds both candidates to the questions asked. I mean, gets the answer. As for any gripes NPT has with me, I'm not interested in hearing them. I'm quite pleased with the latest solution to the back and forth bickering. BTW, think you for bringing us back on topic.
Yes, that's what I'm interested in seeing as well Mia. Can we actually get a straight answer out of these guys tonight instead of the "glossed over typical politician response". And I will admit that Obama does know how to deliver a speech, I just hope people don't elect him on that alone! I read a poll on CNN yesterday that stated that around 80% of people are going to decide the winner of the debate by who delivers the best speech, not what their answers are or mean or what they actually have to say, but how they deliver it......hope that's not true....
Firegirl, you have an audience, apparently - congrats, again. As you've publically blamed me for Guerilla's departure, it would be nice if you simply apologized for the error and moved on yourself. Mia claims to ignore this, so this is for others. Yes, I have an issue with saying it is the 1% lunatic fringe that complains about this war while actually helping the effort, when it is fully 64% of Iraq war vets and their families who feel their sacrifice has not been worth it. I have an issue with hearing pronouncements like this from people asking for the blood of these vets, who've never served; coupled with Biz's statements intimating that all who oppose the war are traitors, and disgraces to the United States, yes, I've got an issue. I've an issue with the ignorance that attempts to portray that those of us opposing McCain's candidacy do so as we're a bunch of traitorous loons, when we couldn't have it any plainer, in at least one example: It lowers the honor of this country, in my opinion, and I guess, yes, I'm pretty damn sick of the hypocrisy.
You Ron Paul supporters sure are a clanish bunch. You and other Ron Paul supporters on this board get all indignant about perceived wrongs that you cherry pick for effect, but when another Ron Paul supporter actually attacks the family members of another board member you all are silent. I personally think guerilla should have been banned.
Logic, a deep, deep thanks - here as then. I loved my brother, and what was said was wrong, and badly painful. But if it was painful then, I accept that Guerilla's apology was heartfelt, and I embrace him in forgiveness for this, as he has forgiven me for the things I did that were wrong in the last several months. On that issue, it is only Mia that remains obdurate in admitting his wrongdoing, and yes, I am puzzled by Firegirl's stand, there as here.
Umm 'RP' members being a 'clanish' bunch, there are more RP supporters on here than is out in public, just because a couple appear in some minds to be 'clanish' doesn't make it so. The same could easily be said for McCain supporters and Obama supporters, much more so IMHO. G should have been banned? For what might I ask? Was he out of line on some things? Definitely. Do I disagree with him on some things? Totally. I mean this in no disrespect to anyone, however others have done much, much worse than him. Not on single events, but continued trolling, continued stalking, continued flat out slandering. As far as the point in question, I did not agree with him, I felt it was over the line. That however does not make it right to continually go after someone for it, ESPECIALLY when Northpoint and him have already made their peace on the subject. BTW the heart of why G left last time, unless I am wrong is actually because of Logic's attacks on him, in a discussion he 'logic' was not even taking place in and the aftermath it caused. Only G himself could tell you though. Which I know you have, and part of what I base my feelings on the above post on. You the person it should matter most to have appeared to put it behind you.
Firegirl brought him up. If he left because I said he would be all for the US being dissolved(which was pertinent to the debate), then I hope he took his lollypop and ball home with him, as that would be a really childish reason. He's attacked me and other people in much more personal ways on this forum and I've never really seen you become indignant about it. Even when he attacked NPT's brother as being a murderer just because he was a US soldier, the only thing you offered was the most minimal, obligatory "that's not cool" type of response. Yet all I have to do is to say that guerilla probably supports succession because he would like to see the US dissolved and you go all ballistic with the righteous indignation. Hence the clanish behavior. Want me to post links to the thread where G called NPT's brother a murderer and then post links to where I injected my belief of why G supports succession so we can analyze how balanced your responses were?