The **REAL** Threat to World Peace - Religions Extremism (read if you watched Fitna)

Uh, Rankhyips - what are you talking about?

You are aware there was a little thing called Poland, 1939, that kicked off the festivities, correct?

 

That is correct, but prior to that event, corporate elite Germany (guess who?) declared war against Germany. Are you aware of it?

 

Rank, I'm not sure, of course, but as one core area of research interest was German political economic development from Frederick the Great through Nazi Germany, I would hazard a guess I've probably read a couple of things here and there as to the causes of WWII. Were those just lost years, having based everything on, you know, original documents, and so forth?

 

World War II was nothing but a continuation of World War I.

 

You mean
WW I ==> Treaty of Versailles ==> Injustice ==> Germany Economic Collapse ==> Revenge ==> WW II

 

In a nutshell, I'd say WWII began in 1864-1871. A Germany of principalities only gave fluidity to the European state system, with Germany as a kind of chessboard in games of realpolitik between powers. Once unified, the works were sludged up. Coupled with the advent of heavy industrialization, and the search for empire, the world became a zero sum game land grab. Wilhelm was a bellicose moron and Bismarck, who had so carefully crafted a precarious piece, had left the scene. The Juggernaut of naval power would become the impossible chasm to overcome, and WWI happened. From there, yep, a disastrous Treaty, and the advent of one who understood the essence of coalition building. And so on.

 

Poland bombed east germany leaving around 58k people dead, which was one of the major sparks for the war.

 

Thraxed, I believe you mean Germany bombed Poland. Please see above post #71. This was the trigger for Chamberlain to bring England into the war.

 

So many people need to retake history... it is really scary now.

 

No, I'm talking about the bromberg massacre of 1939 by poland. Which was one of the sparks to turn it into a worldwide war, that's simple basic history Jackuul.

 

Thraxed, sorry, but you've got this wrong.

Firstly, don't forget that it was part and parcel of Hitler's methods to engineer a phony "incident" to justify his actions, most notably beginning with Marinus van der Lubbe and the Reichstag burning, and justifying many of Hitler's early overtures in the war:

-And so forth. The "instigations" of ethnic Germans in August of '39 were, from most scholarship, in the above line.

Secondly, you are referring to "Blood Sunday", or the Bydgoszcz massacre, which took place after the German invasion of Poland; Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, and the Bydgoszcz massacre took place Sept. 3, 1939. What actually happened is the subject of scholarly debate, and firsthand accounts differ quite widely, for obvious reasons. Both Poles and Germans were killed, and the quandary will never be resolved.

But regardless of deaths, numbers, etc., it is important to keep in mind this event took place after Germany invaded Poland. This did not trigger Hitler's invasion, obviously, since it took place after Hitler invaded.

 

Yes, I know it took place after, I'm saying it is what escelated and sparked it into becoming a full blown worldwide war instead of a regional one.

 

Thraxed, this is incorrect. Chamberlain had watched while the Ruhr was re-occupied, the Anschluss with Austria had taken place, and the Sudetenland in Czechoslakia was annexed. But there was an alliance with Poland in place (please see Anglo-Polish Alliance, for example) that made an invasion of Poland the threshold to the initiation of general hostilities; Poland would be the tripping point to allied engagement. Chamberlain's words:

There is some question whether Hitler believed his invasion of Poland would elicit an Allied response, the allied alliance with Poland notwithstanding. He had only look to recent history to give him such an impression. But he was wrong, if indeed he actually believed this.

Regardless, Germany's invasion of Poland began western WWII, for the reasons I've shown.