Hoho..You're very good at making assumption dude... "convert or die"???...Can you please tell me where it says they must convert...assumption, assumption and more assumption... You're full of propaganda dude! Anyway, you still haven't answer my question regarding wine being forbidden...
Face it people, just by the threads on this forum we are heading into WWIII, because there are few reasonable people on either side that really desire peace! So if we all want destruction and poverty that is what you all will get! Until nations trade fairly and find some common ground we will be heading straight into WWIII and utter destruction, if you believe what the Bible does say about this, it will happen quickly, even in one day! That means a Nuclear World War that will destroy Multi Millions! So if that is what you all want, let's just dump these religious forums like Shawn said because this is never going to end! I say we close the political and religious forums for the good of Digital Point long term because this community of webmasters can't grow as a webmaster forum with us always fighting over politics and religion! This is not what Shawn founded this forum for! This is just my opinion because we are getting no where quickly with these subjects but into a deeper fight and the comments on this forum, though interesting are a reflection of this world we live in that will never solve these problems and we sure as hell will not solve them with all the hate being thrown around this place constantly! I agree with Shawn's recent statement that we should just close these forums, lock them away and not allow these types of discussions here anymore and focus on webmaster related subject matter, this shit is out of hand! http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=684743&postcount=4 See Shawn's statement in the above link, he is right about this too!
Peace to you as well. I do not consider your site an authoratative site. But if you truly wish to change the meaning of the verses of the quran, it is not "I" that you should convince that such change is necessary. It is the rest of the islamic world.
Peace Gtech, Well, we are not changing the meaning, Instead, we are researching the Quran independently without being influenced by any of the sects lke Sunna, Shiah etc ...Anyway, define "authoratative site", Do you mean site with Sunni or Shiah or something? Where they ask you to hijack airplanes as part of Jihad? Man, stop being "bias", You considered them as "authoratative site" because you know that they are believing rubbish and you can make fun of them, but when I give you links to new ideas..you couldn't accept it.. Yeah! Thats what is happening there, you can see yourself how the debates going on, we are even considered "Kafir" by the "Traditional Muslim" and some of our brothers were murdered because of this. Even now, in some countries, they will even send us to prison.. Peace,
Just reading your very scriptures. It didn't deserve an answer. What I did do, was consistently prove over and over again that "rivers of wine" are promised in the quran, when you demanded proof that it was in the quran. You took a position that it was not there with Dilipsam and continued to carry forth the age old "translation" decoy. Perhaps you have forgotten the details. Start here to refresh your memory: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=64128&page=4
I wonder why we are into this too, I realized none of the religion asked us us to hate and kill each other, but the problem is, some people simply can't worrying who is right and who is wrong and who is going to heaven and who is going to hell, why don't instead of fighting we discuss it peacefully and if we have any doubts on something, we can disccus about it instead of accusing it as "evil"...Why don't we just study/research everything and follow the things that we can verify/fully understand? I myself do try to study other belief system in my free time and don't mind to accept and follow them if it is something elightening...
An Authoratative site, one that has information consistent with the topic of the site. You claim not to be rewriting the beliefs, yet tell me you are giving me "links to new ideas." You are correct, they are new ideas. As I said, it is not "I" that you should be trying to convince with your "new ideas," it is the rest of the islamic world. Your words above reinforce the fact that you are not in the "main stream" of islam by rewriting it's meanings with "new ideas." To be considered "kafir" (I know how bad that is) by "traditional muslims" reinforces your ideas are not mainstream. You should hook up with the folks over at Apostates of Islam. They know all about the threats of being murdered. "New ideas" are great, but again, it is not "I" you should be convincing your "new ideas" to, it is the "traditional muslims" that consider you kafir for doing such that you should be convincing.
I think you are talking about Zash, I didn't agree with Zash too about the River of Wine..please read the posts... I asked you whats the problem with the River of Wine...Anyway, I don't take the "river of wine" seriously as I don't take it "literally" just like when reading other scriptures...
My apologies, I may have confused the two of you. I personally have no problem with "rivers of wine" being promised to members of any religion as long as part of the requirements for receiving such are not based on the killing of others. My problem comes into play when a religion calls for my death because I'm a non-believer. The argument persisted because one demanded proof that it was in the quran, of which I posted the Sura and subsequently, a number of sites that all concluded "rivers of wine" were promised. Rivers of wine are promised, as Dilipsam originally mentioned. That's the extent of it, unless someone wants to continue along the path that it doesn't exist.
I know what you mean by that...I myself would be among the first one not to agree with any religion that encourage killing of others . regarding the existense of the "River of Wine", as I said earlier, I don't take it literally just like "hell" and "heaven"...
Anyway, "Apostates of Islam" are people who left, Islam (I don't know what they mean by they left Islam, is that means they don't believe in god anymore?), but for me, as someone who believe in God, there is no way I am out of "Islam" as I believe in God... I hope you understand what I mean by that.. I never a "muslim" of the mass, But I am always a "muslim".. It depends on how you understand what I mean by "Muslim" and "Islam"...
These guys the muslims who say "we want peace" are either from the UK or the US that's because they are scared. Nobody in the gulf wants peace - they keep killing their own people or people of other religion. I am against killing but the best we can do is give a jolt to these opportunists have come to US and for own selfish and safe reasons claim they want peace so that they can ge away with lynching. When the twin towers came down, there was not much of retaliation from the West. Try this one more time and see!!! The Australians have started to do it in Sydney and so must we. Life is for living and we have the right to retaliate when people start behaving like pigs. That's why I refuse to do business with a muslim. Don't kill them or don't harm them, just ignore them and they'll perish themselves. Sooner, You'll die for Allah's sake and join in bed with 72 so-called virgins already fucked by your prophet.
SAha, How many muslims think like you or are you pretending? You seem to have joined the forums just for this thread alone. Happy after-life drinking!!! Regards, Dilip
Somebody had posted that the KKK was trying to join hands with a muslim group. I doubt it. The British Nationalist PArty an off-shoot of the KKK actively spends time to convince people of the suburbs to kick out Muslims.
I am living in a country where the majority of the people are muslim and I don't think I have anything to be scared...Anyway, the way you made your post really give me a reflection of your so called "Christianity"... Again..Please enligthen me by proving what you claimed above..I don't think you can prove anything..You're just good at cursing and swearing..I wonder whether you're old enough to understand what you're talking about..
Looks like we have a another no-brainer in this thread. If you don;t know about the 72 virgins promised for after-life fucking, then why argue for your religion. http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000079.html (this one made roll with laughter) Original Source: http://www.google.com/search?hl=hi&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-43%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=%2272+virgins%22 See this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0805-02.htm My question is : Have you barged into this forum thinking that we all are idiots who don't know what "Web Research" is?. In that case mate, move on. This 72 virigins is in Hadith and if I have enlightened you any way, the proof is there in the Hadith. After reading that you'll too be convinced to take up arms against the non-believers. I hope you are not sex-starved unlike your polygamous prophet.
<quote>I am living in a country where the majority of the people are muslim and I don't think I have anything to be scared...Anyway, the way you made your post really give me a reflection of your so called "Christianity"... </quote> Who the fuck said I'm a Christian? I walked out of it when I was a teen.
Who the fuck said I'm a Christian? I walked out of it when I was a teen. I just work for the JEwish-Christian unity.
Anyway, we don't need this kind of peace: www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17564591%255E1702,00.html Do that in lebanon or Soudi Arabia, but not outside Middle East, thanks!