Obama turns pastor hate controversy into race speech

Is anyone watching this? CNN has entitled it "The Race Speech". Obama announces he wants to speak to the American people, so every network waits over 45 minutes for a typically LATE Obama.

The speech begins with some pimped out pump up Obama intro by some crusty old vacuum bag.

Obama opens his speech with the first sentence of the Preamble, then starts talking about the constitution, until he finally digresses into race.

He spends about 22 seconds talking about his hateful racist pastor, then segways into a race motivated speech including ripping on the south, the confederate flag, and our schools.

This guys is just all over the place... He might make a good replacement for Jesse Jackson in the Rainbow Demolition, but President of the US? Scary.

 

Oh, I will give him credit for that. He is a great diverter.

You are right, he should come out clean, instead of washing it under the rug... The media will keep on him about this. They have just been waiting for something big.

Wait till the sex scandal comes out. Wait, Obama was never a governor...

I have a feeling this is not the last thing we will see. Like Obama said, tomorrow there will be another thing in the news and another and another.

This too will pass. However, this has hurt him. I doubt those that have their head up his ass will waiver though. I just think those that are "undecided" have made a shift.

 

Guess I must have seen a different speech, because from what I saw, it was a forthright, direct address, and an invite to an open dialogue on the issue - and as such, exemplary of what Obama - a guy half white, and half-black - has apparently stood for his entire life.

So to call it "diversionary" means another speech must have been viewed, because to call this speech so would be to just talk out one's ass. Which, from what I've seen regarding this man's candidacy, would never happen. No one would dare stoop so low on this forum as to accuse the man, on zero evidence, of being an Islamist Terrorist Plant/Black Nationalist/Traitor/Commie. Right?

As to the speech I saw, well, Obama said it better:

[Bolded for emphasis. Please read the thing, though, and don't take anyone's word as to "what the speech is" - except the man who made it].

Gosh, pretty radical stuff. Deal with what was, is, and can be, in order to build an America that stands together, rising above race and the other things we can so easily latch onto to divide us. Damn me if it doesn't sound like what Obama has been saying all along - and to address it directly, it seems to me, further illustrates the man's integrity and courage. I can't post the entire speech here, but anyone with more than a modicum of good-faith interest in the reality of Obama's point of view, as opposed to the ossified pre-judgments and propaganda generated from those pre-judgments, is free to read it:

Full Transcript of Obama's Speech

Meanwhile, from the start of the campaign, the guy has been asked and answered every wantonly ridiculous aspersion put to him. But for some, no matter. I see business as usual in this section, unfortunately. Though it fools no one but the gullible, it's a shame.

 

What really stumps me is how someone can say, I do not want to disown my preacher, then calls him his former preacher. Its like he is standing by him, then distancing himself from him.

I especially like how this God fearing Christian (yeah right) mentioned several times over the last few days that Wright taught him about Jesus and God.. that he "brought me to God", yet at the close of this speech, like so many others I did not hear a God Bless America uttered.

Those of us that know the truth about Obama know this is just the beginning of more to come.

 

Who told you to think that way?

 

What way. Did you watch that speech? He touched on just about everything but the subject matter. Why on earth he feels the need to make this a racial issue is beyond me. The American people don't care about race or gender, that much is evident. What they want to know is, Mr. Obama, do you hold these same ideals that your preacher has taught you to be true?

Told me "to think that way"?

What way should I think? That the government created AIDS to kill black people? Not only is that false, its undeniably preposterous and unforgivable. Using that thinking I guess the government created AIDS to kill IV drug users like my uncle.... Sounds kinda silly.

Told me "to think that way"?

The government created 9/11?

Told me "to think that way"?

"The United States of KKK"? WTF is that about? The KKK does not run this country. (these are ideals that Obama supports?)

I was taught to keep an open mind and question ignorance, oppression and all around stupidity.

The question is, does Obama support these ideals? His speech in no way indicated whether he did or did not.

 

Isn't John McCain tight with that absolutely psycho religious leader, John Hagee?

I dunno, I think Obama is getting a rough ride on his Pastor as a deliberate smear attack. They can't attack Obama, so they attack people he knows.

Well Clinton and McCain have the same skeletons in their closets, if not worse. Especially that Hagee guy. He's crazier than Pat Robertson, who endorsed Giuliani.

 

This kind of thinking shows how he fits in perfectly with his former and current preachers. If I thought this way I could probably be schizophrenic since we are so mixed but have heavy white - so my blood inherited the slave owner blood, so I should be hated and have to pay for my sins of slave ownership? Then my wife's family should sue me too.

 

Is it really that confusing?

Wright was the pastor of Obama's church. He was, as Obama has said, the pastor when Obama became a Christian.

He isn't the pastor of the church any longer.

Ergo, uh, former pastor.

What I really find troubling - whether it's you, Jeremy, or Kalvin, or SimplyG, or others on the forum and in the world - is one presumptive Christian declaring another presumptive Christian is or is not a Christian. Call me a backslidin' atheist son of a bitch, but I would have thought this isn't really your job. Matthew 7 and all that.

I see it far too often in the self-described "Christian community" of a particular political bent.

As we know, Obama also doesn't wear a flag on his lapel, and, like the current President, apparently, doesn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem. In general, from what I see, Obama appears to be more of a "what's-in-your-heart and character" over "outward show" kind of guy. From your perspective, as a Christian, again, you know, also your holy scripture, and all that:

 

Jeremy - in all sincerity - do you honestly believe this is fooling anyone, since the speech is readable in full?

You know, and we all know - not only did he "touch" on the subject matter, but patently addressed it; he has categorically rejected Wright's views, said why, and, though he has done so countless times already, went further into it during this speech. I understand what it is to love and honor one's teacher, and the pain to that comes to knowing their failings. I see no disconnect between Obama's acknowledging the man's import in his life, while rejecting the views at hand here. Or, again, his words, not mine:

I understand you hate the man, and now that the Islamist terrorist fabrication has sorta gone its merry way into the dustbin of history, this is the next salacious, if facile, thing. Sorry man - we've been friends - but this is just gutter.

 

I posted this yesterday, only AGS commented IIRC.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=756590

The premise is, the slander/issue/smear against/with Obama isn't that he is black.

It's that he is anti-war.

 

Maybe obama would be better served by being simple, and telling that he doesn't approve anything his former pastor says and stopping there.

His long winded roundabout manner of speech and his ambiguous language which mentions race all too much [Even if he is talking about making all races work together] is what is causing the trouble.

 

Yeah... I read that article written by Justin Raimondo. The Right-wing Neocons are really targeting Obama now, coz they know McCain won't stand a chance against him

 

Now, debunked, I can't for the life of me figure out why you neglected to include just a bit more surrounding your excerpt. Oversight, I'm sure, as you wouldn't be engaged in this kind of malarkey on purpose - I wouldn't call that exactly charitable, and a thing of good faith. Here, I'll help finish it out for you:

Yep, that son of a bitch is actually saying he's grateful for what he enjoys here? And that we should rise above race to achieve common goals? Oh, for shame!

 

i have to wonder if some people watched or heard the full speech

if you did you would have heard him say that this country has had a long history with having issues with race that it needs to deal with but sadly instead doing something about we have been using it as a cruch, instead of facing real issues and it been done by both blacks as well as whites.

and Obama called it out and said it was wrong and it doesn't matter if it's done by black or whites.

he stated that race should not be used as a tool for divisivness. sadly, I see race being use as a tool of divisivness on here, maybe one day we can move past this.

 

Well, call me crazy, but you might find "race" mentioned just a bit in a speech on the issue of "race." Nuts, I know.

Other than that, he's an intelligent guy, and he speaks from that intelligence. Did you have an example or proof of a "roundabout manner of speech" and "ambiguous language?" This an example?:

 

No, no worries here. You just must have read the speech I read. I think the others are referring to a speech made by a guy who is an Islamist terrorist plant/black nationalist/traitor, from the planet Zexdup.

 

Hey, I agree with some of what he is saying, but he seems to talk double speak like jesse jackson (one who keeps racism alive at any cost.) Why say that you inherit the blood of slaves and slaveowners? I would say leave that inheritance behind. I am neither a slave or slave-owner - no matter what one of my ancestors might have done. I don't owe anyone or am not owed anything from anyone because of my ancestry. We are not talking about my parents here.

I wish people would quit dividing races at every turn. The neo-nazis have been deemed useless and their propaganda is hollow, but why can't we say the same about their opposites? The politically correct crowd has reversed things and they say it is OK.

Obama is a mixed race and I do find it hard to believe he actually attended a church with such a racist attitude. I would find it offensive if any pastor spoke about another race in this way, I would understand this if it was 1899....

(I feel like I did in the RP thread that the emotions take over and I can't get logical responses. I am not attacking Obama, I find him likable, but not very trustworthy right now.)

 

Debunked, you really should consider what constitutes emotionality, and what logic. It appears from where I stand, repeatedly and feverishly vomiting on someone's candidacy without a shred of evidence is emotionality, and sticking to the facts at issue - in this case, what was, or wasn't said in Obama's speech (you know, posting Obama's words themselves, and all that messy stuff) - logic.

A quick question.

Have you read the speech?