Bush Budget Would Bring Record Deficits

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  1. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #21
    I love the market place and business. I'm also intimately aware on a personal basis how conniving, and scummy business can be. :rolleyes:

    I saw where Merck just settled with the govt on in excess of $600 million on scamming the govt on drug costs and there are in excess of 600 investigations on other such med scames.

    Of all the aspects of the nation, public education has been an amazing success story. I would bet for every loud complaining person about actual public education, the costs, etc. there are 100 who value free public education.

    yes...okay it is an entitlement. There probably hasn't been one so historically successful in strengthening America, creating opportunity, and improving the welfare of the entire population.

    Whatever problems there are....fix em. Don't get close to destroying it. That would be criminal against one of the things that is best about America.
     
    earlpearl, Feb 8, 2008 IP
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Agree wholeheartedly. But don't overlook how conniving and scummy politicians can be when they collude with business.

    Right, but I believe, that it would be a lot harder for them to run these scams, when dealing with multiple private insurers, each with their own bottom line to maintain, or directly with consumers, who are always looking to reduce costs and find bargains.

    Ok, look. I am not some cold hearted conservative. But I really chafe at the notion that something is free. It is not free. It comes at a cost to someone, somewhere.

    Now if that cost is born voluntarily, then it is moral. But if it is by coercion, then it is immoral. One does not have the "right" to take from someone else.

    Ok, well now we are making progress, since we're calling it what it is. An entitlement. And while I have an issue with entitlements, I am ok with the states controlling it, as per the Constitution, not the Federal government.

    I don't want to see education destroyed. I'd rather see it improved. I think that can be done by breaking it back down to the states, and allow parents to have a greater involvement at the local level.
     
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  3. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Among other items funded universally by the federal govt (call em all entitlements);

    National Defense
    Federally funded highways.
    Federal justice system
    Consumer protections
    Taxing system :p
    to name a few


    The education system is one which at its most beneficent both spreads education to the entire population, makes the entire population aware of basic social and American values, opens doors to one and all.

    Over generations it creates an underpinning to allow one and all access to growth and achievement.

    Any efforts to undermine it by extracting dollars to provide what is a teeny minority to home school or religeous school undermines possibly one of the strongest back bones of American strength.

    This is such an amazing success story. Undermining the eductation system would be the ultimate in breaking what works. It would be a travesty imposed upon the many by the loud/theoretical few.
     
    earlpearl, Feb 9, 2008 IP
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    You do realize that most western countries, if not all of them have free education, right?

    Who cares how teeny a minority is? Don't they have the right to free speech, and freedom of religion?

    This is a disturbing insinuation that the minority do not deserve to have minority rights or opinions. Or that diversity is in some way destructive.

    If you're going to be loud and theorize, that federally run education is better than state run education, then provide some metrics and data to back it up.

    Otherwise, you're just dodging the statement in my previous post.
    Do you agree or disagree?
     
    guerilla, Feb 9, 2008 IP