Ron Paul - Awesome Guy or Pole Smoker...YOU DECIDE!

The New Republic released more of Ron Paul's racist newsletters today. Some of these are just outright vile.

Of particular disgust was this one:

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/February1990.pdf

This is not the one or two newsletters that were known about a few months ago. These are dozens of newsletters that have been uncovered in a Wisconsin Library that had them stored as examples of extremist politics.

As if it couldn't get worse, in that Ron Paul said he didn't know about them, but then was found to have actually defended them in 1996, leaving his credibility in question as to why the different statements.

How anyone can overlook these, give him a pass, for such vile comments, is beyond me. Blind loyalty? Sheep? These are words I've seen used by others. I wonder if they would use these words here?

BTW, I do expect the MLK bomb day to be brought up. Don't bother. That's a grass roots effort to attempt to offset the racist newsletters. Has nothing to do with "campaign proper."

 

That quote sounds about as much like Ron Paul as that pentagon speed boat video sounded like any Iranian I've ever heard.

 

I believe I'm allowed two threads per day in the P&R. I recall reading that in the "rules" somewhere a while back. So here's my second one for the day.

Paul supporters 'freak out' town clerk

If you thought that behavior, by a certain "group of people" was bad enough, read the rest of it at the link.

 

I'm convinced a lot of that Ron Paul spam was a frame-up.

 

I thought this was a very interesting article about Ron Paul and some of flaws with the libertarian view points.

Sorry if its a bit long.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120036562308490333.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

 

We all now know that you can post here in P&R with complete impunity so don't you go worrying yourself about that.

Keep on with the RP bashing mate eh instead of concentrating on your Huckster thread.

 

lol!

 

Calling that a Ron Paul quote is misinformation. There's no proof that Ron Paul wrote such a thing. It appears highly unlikely that he would have written such a thing considering the many times he's mentioned that Martin Luther King is a hero of his.

 

If he didn't he wouldn't be in the subject of 7 out of the 15 threads last to be posted in this category.

Not the greatest argumental point. But I thought I would go ahead and chip into his campaign advertising here.

 

I doubt that enough people will support him, but I personally believe that he is the best choice.

 

I disagree, Zibblu. Can I presume that you didn't click on the pdf document link above? That's really the only conclusion I can come to, with the statement you made.

Misinformation - This is Ron Paul's newsletter.

Proof - The PDF is proof that was Ron Paul's newsletter

Proof - Ron Paul is talking in the first person when he says "I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressmen." To set this aside, one would have to conclude that another Texas Congressman was writing Ron Paul's newsletter for him. Which Congressman would that be, and why would he write another Congressman's newsletter?

Unlikely - As far as I can tell, Ron Paul has only recently said that MLK was one of his heros. Perhaps he started saying that, knowing what would come out regarding his newsletters?

Ron Paul's voting record regarding the MLK holiday reflects this as well.

Nate: Considering that a number of Ron Paul's newsletters rail against "gays" with homophobic statements, could you have picked a better choice of words to not counter with? Think about that one, and get back to me

 

hmmm that's interesting GTech, considering i didn't "rail" against them.

are you one of the people who get offended by the word gay? why is that by the way?

 

Instead of addressing the issue, you chose to address me personally.

Considering how many of RP's newsletters rail against gays, was this the best choice of words to use?

No comment about yet another report on RP supporters harrassing good people? Can I presume you agree with that childish behavior?

 

Nor did I say you did. I said Ron Paul did.

Please read the lines carefully, and make an appropriate response:

I believe a hint is in order here. This is a yes or no question. These are easier than multiple choice questions as they require less thought.

 

1. Paul has been calling MLK one of his heroes for 20 years.
2. GHOSTWRITER. I know you are well educated enough to know what a ghostwriter is but to anyone who comes across this thread who does not know what a ghostwriter is - click here. I use ghostwriters all the time on my websites, almost all of them are written in the first person. This is not uncommon and didn't start with the advent of websites.
3. His voting record reflects his libertarian views, not racism.

 

i don't need to address your pointless threads. i just like doing what you do and that is throwing in a senseless jab or two here and there. it doesn't matter where, just make sure it's senseless.

so again, how did i rail against gays?

 

gtech you sure do put a lot of time trying to come up with smears against Ron Paul..

considering the fact that he's not even a "top-tier" candidate. Is the DNC paying you to make sure the conditions are ripe for the Bush-Hillary dynasty to thrive?

 

Please, show use all the speeches and video, I would be interested to read or see it. I am sure if he has taken that position for 20 years, as you claim, there is some documentation of it?

Even if true, he is still responsible for what is written under his name. Just because you use a ghostwriter, does not give him carte blanche to make racist comments in the Ron Paul Newsletter. If your website ghostwriter libeled someone, you would still be held accountable. Likewise, Ron Paul does not get a pass because he let someone else write racist newsletters under his name.

I don't think anyone has said his voting record is somehow racist. It is his newsletters sent to his supporters over decades that are being questioned as racist.

 

Source please. You'll forgive me, if I don't take a supporter's word for such.

Incorrect. May I presume you didn't read the third link in my OP? That would be the only reason I can come up with, for denying such. Let's review:

http://reason.com/blog/show/124339.html

That is but one, of a dozen reports, several of which Ron Paul has defended his writings. Now, how do we resign to the notion that RP didn't write these, when in fact, he has actually defended them?

His voting record indicates, that as he said in his newsletter, he did not vote for the MLK holiday.

 

This is a good point, browntwn. I use "ghostwriters" myself, though I don't really refer to it as that. I hire people to write articles for me from time to time. The interesting point about this, in order for me to use this "ghostwriter's" services, I have to tell him what I want written in the articles. Without my input, they would not know what to write about.

I do not buy the ghostwriter "theory." There are too many personal statements in these newsletters, where in at least one, Paul mentions is wife Carol, his children and grandchildren. Most, from what I have seen, are written in first person.