Some info on Barack Obama, that you might not know

No, but rather His association with a known terrorist group. And they're not my views anyway, i wanted to discern if it was true using the great minds of DP, but apparently i have to read three other threads, to do that, and quite frankly im feeling a bit lazy, today, so if they are lies, ill go on believing them for now. Unless Northpoint decides to share his wisdom with me.

 

Look who's sharing the information.... I guy with a machine gun in hands.. How many people do you know who walks around with a machine gun... Would you rather have this guy living with you or Obama?

 

He doesn't have an association with a terrorist group, nor with Islam. That is false. You have been provided the sources showing this, but do not wish to use those sources. I also told you, in this thread, that two of the sources aren't threads, but brief pieces of information - one being a single post.

Laziness isn't a virtue, in my world, especially in the service of slandering another human being.

 

At Dp, we see lots of people like him who try to provoke nothing but illogical fights.
Listen, the answer is straight forward.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM. DON'T VOTE FOR HIM. Thats it!
THESE ARE ELECTIONS.
Which means that everyone has there own choice to vote whom. If you want to change other people's thoughts about the candidates. Then, this is not the way.
Pure propaganda.

 

My friend i don't walk around with a machine gun in my hand unless I'm at a range, i do however believe in the 2nd amendment which gives me the right to defend myself. My avatar is a symbol for wanting to fight for my country.

Thats all i asked, is was it true, it was a simple question, i shouldn't have to click any links to figure it out, when you are constantly replying back to me in here.

So your telling me he never attended the Wahabi school in Jakarta. Correct?

OK, first off, i posted this not to knock down the man, but because i received an email, that i wanted addressed by DP members. You say if i don't like him don't vote for him, well if the reasons i don't like him are lies, i would like to know, if you don't understand that , you have no business posting in a forum with intelligent conversation.

 

And it's a simple answer. You just have to read it.

Amazing. You've had enough time to write a book in reply, but not enough to read 1 page, and 1 post, on the issue, that provides more than you asked for in reply. One of them was my post, your answer. I don't know why you don't wish to read what's there, simply. It doesn't speak well, to me, that you are being objective in your evaluation of this man, or basing the info you are stating on anything other than a well-known, false, spam e-mail campaign.

<<Sigh.>> I feel like I am spoonfeeding, and you shouldn't need that. But you have asked repeatedly, so:

And the current pope was a nazi, Hitler Youth into his teens. Is he, too, just a cool face for Stormfront?

You see, Simply, you have testified here you are a Christian. I can't know what's in your heart. No person can know what's in another's heart without knowing that person, on a personal basis. So, we go on the words and deeds of the person in question to make an evaluation. What he have, in the life of Obama, is a man that professes to be a Christian, who has been an active member of his church community in Chicago, for decades now - if I recall correctly, that would be half his life. In word and deed, he is a Christian.

Now, I accept you at your word - that you are a Christian. I don't know you at all, except for your behavior, your words on this forum. I certainly wouldn't call you a member of the National Alliance if I received an e-mail indicating so. Yet, as a Christian, you compare another man, who professes to be a Christian, to Adolf Hitler, and intimate he is an Islamist radical, on zero evidence.

Hmm. Don't know - do you? There is evidence he underwent some education in a school, that had muslim and Christian children alongside each other, and was read in Islam and the Qu'ran, as well as the Bible. I don't know why this is the mark of Cain. I do not know of any wahabist education - but, for the sake of argument, even if there were: The Pope, again, is a former Hitler Youth, as a teen. Is he a nazi now, and should be brought before the World Court?

There isn't a risk he will bomb the Capitol Dome on inauguration day, should he become your next President, no. Otherwise, regarding "risk," I don't know - what are his policies? (FLAG: rhetorical question).

 

North i have stated several times these were not my personal views i just wanted someone to respond to these allegations. I only compared him to Hitler because though he claimed to be a christian, he surely did not act like one. If Obama is a faithful christian, and he has fruit to show it, than fine, i will accept it. But when i read allegations as serious as these, i would prefer to question the person that says they aren't true, just the way i have question if it was true.

In my opinion, anyone that can be traced back to a terrorist school should not have a chance at the presidency. I'm sure you know what a sleeper cell is, a group sent to another country, obeys their laws, lives a normal life, goes to church, until they get the word, and boom thousands are dead. That's not a risk im willing to accept without questioning.

 

Simply, I'm sorry, but I don't care. You had all the facts in the world before you, and by your own admission you didn't want to look them up. I can't support that.

Beyond the facts, but simply logic. The current Pope was a member, in his youth, of a quite well known terrorist organization, the Nazi Party. He was older, in that, than any schooling Obama received as a kid - your "wahabism" or not. Does this mean, you wish the Pope to resign, and for him to be put under surveillance? You have avoided this very obvious parallel.

The man has been slandered enough. Vote, don't vote, but don't crucify him on baseless innuendo.

 

well that's just stubborn me, i wanted to read the answers to my questions not the answers to someone elses. It doesn't make since for me to have to go to other threads to get the answer for this one

 

Except that I told you, frequently, your question was answered. You admitted your laziness. I can't support that. Basically, if you want to be taken seriously, I'd say, do the work. Put the energy into seeking the facts, debating the facts, posting the facts.

 

Well if you have the truth and you want it known, than you will post it, as you eventually did in this thread. otherwise you will be a part of the spreading of a lie

 

Simply, I don't like games. If you'll take a look around, over the last several days, many have grown tired of them, and I am one. Your admitted persistent laziness does nothing but cement the weakness of your thought here, and your refusal to answer facts and credible arguments and analogies do nothing but increase the perception, on my part, anyway, that you aren't being intellectually honest. If you need to do either, you can do either alone - you don't need a community.

You were given all you needed on page 1, and because of your lack of factual support, and your refusal to look up what facts have been presented, this seems to me to be an utter waste of time.

 

Smear tactics like this are enough to make me want to go buy a Barack Obama t-shirt. Oh my God, his mother is an athiest?! I wouldn't care if HE is an athiest. Get your religion out of politics, brother.

I also don't care if he is a Muslim or any other religion, as long as he doesn't let that religion interfere with his duties as president like some the other Neanderthals we have running for President (huckabee?) look like they may be prone to doing.

 

North i have already submitted to you, im not playing a game, i asked a question and you answered it, far as im concerned this thread is done.

 

Obama is also related to George Bush.

"Obama's family ties to the Bush administration don't stop with Cheney. According to an article in the Chicago Sun-Times last September, Obama is also an 11th cousin of the president himself. The two share a 17th century Massachusetts relative."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/17/all-in-the-family-cheney-and-obama-related/

 

Interesting - is this true about the current pope? But why should he resign? What does the current pope have to do with the rest of the thread topic.

 

Obama is also related to Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga

"Embattled Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga said that he is related to US presidential hopeful Barack Obama, adding that the democratic candidate had called him this week to offer support."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ke...elated-to-obama/2008/01/09/1199554689662.html

 

It's all in the thread, debunked.

OP received a well known hoax e-mail, intimating Obama was raised a radical islamist, and remains a "sleeper" threat today. I pointed out to the OP that this has been discussed several times on the forum, and pointed to threads, posts, and articles debunking the spam e-mail. OP wasn't interested in reading them.

Beyond, the OP's fear is of a president raised as a radical Islamist, acting as a sleeper agent for al-quaeda, or some such organization, based on an assumption the boy Obama trained under a radical Islamist education. Beyond the debunking above, I provided the example of the Pope, who was a Hitler Youth in his, well, youth. Yet he remains Pope. In other words, by the logic of:

A man raised as a Hitler Youth could, at any time, use the Swiss Guard to implement a nazi state, right within the walls of the Vatican - all under the trust inherent in being leader to the world's millions of Catholics. Therefore, the Pope shouldn't be Pope. He should resign, and be surveilled, at the very least. Now, to be fair, all kids in Germany at the time were Hitler Youth, and the Pope and his family were, by all accounts, deeply faithful catholics who opposed the Nazi regime. But the point serves.

Believing Obama to be a possible sleeper radical Islamist, when the man has professed his Christian faith, and lived it for decades now in the full scrutiny of the public eye, is beyond baseless. It's no more justifiable than me denying OP's Christianity, or yours.

In other words, grossly illogical, and inherently immoral, in my opinion.

Evaluate the candidate on his merits.

 

Some info on Barack Obama, that you might not know

Barack Obama is related to Brad Pitt.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=entertainment&id=5733661

 

Obama is my cousin. Obama is related to Rosie O'Donnell. Obama was raised by lions.