Zionism And The Inventor of The Lie

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Aceday, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. kingjacob

    kingjacob Peon

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    #21
    First off I have to say WOW, I don't know what the Israelis did for you to be so prejudiced against them but you got to let it go. One can argue that one side is more right than the other but in the end Israel will win in a military struggle. The best option for the palestinian people is to embrace peace so they may be safe and have all the benefits Israel or a stable Palestinian nation can provide i.e. hospitals, schools, a working economy, uncorrupt police,etc.
     
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  2. grab my heat

    grab my heat Banned

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    #22
    The Palestinians have tried to embrace peace many times bro but the Israelis just aren't intrested in peace. Check the link in my sig for more info.
     
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  3. kingjacob

    kingjacob Peon

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    #23
    Not interested, If they werent interested why are they currently at peace talks. If the Israelis are as bad as you say they are they would have gone the easier right and forced all palestinians out of Israel(to include gaza/WB). Why do you insist on both parties being enemies?
     
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    #24
    Israel didn't want peace talks, the US dragged them into it and as you can see the result because of Olmert no state was made.
     
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  5. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #25
    The Germans lost a lot of land after WW1. Because of the border changes 10 million Germans and land were transferred Poland, Alsase-Loraine (France), Memmel, Silesia and Poznan (Poland), Danzig, Tyrol (Italy) and Sudetenland (Czech Repiblic)

    The Germans could not let go and choose to fight to get the land back. This resulted in WW2, the deaths of over 10 million Germans and another 20 million Germans being ethnically cleasened from the East.

    Today Prussia a land larger than Israel is totally occupied by Russians.

    If the Germans had the Palestinian mindset all the Prussians would be Refugees and would be making cross border attacks into Poland and East Prussia. The Germans have decided that further war is foolish and it is better to life in peace and let it go.

    More war will only result in my Palestinian loses. The current intifada has resulted in the loss of the Jordan Valley.

    Yes. Jordan Valley Israel is Israeli terrority and lost to the Palestinians due to their current terrorist campaigns.
     
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  6. gauharjk

    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #26
    I'd like to point out to you, that you can no longer annex territory, according to UN and the Geneva Convention.

    The Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) of 1949

    So, now, according to 4th Geneva convention, settlements are illegal. These settlements have destroyed Palestine, and any chances of ever having a Palestinian state.

    Now, if you don't want to respect international law, I cannot say anything. it would only show israel is not interested in peace.

    I'll tell you what, remove settlements from West Bank, go back to pre-1967 borders, give back half Jerusalem, compensate refugees, and the war would be over. It is that simple.
     
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  7. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #27
    I doubt the war would be over.

    The next issue is for Hamas is the right of return. The always will be some excuse.

    Israel has pulled out of South Lebonan and Hezbollah keeps attacking.
     
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    #28
    Hmmmmmmmm, when buddy? FYI, Hizbullah captured 2 Israeli soldiers in order for a peaceful prisoner exchange, but Israel decided to attack Lebanon instead, so Hizbullah responded with rocket attacks.

    Could you point me to where Hizbullah has attacked Israel post 2006 war?
     
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  9. gauharjk

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    #29
    Well, the Sheeba farms belongs to Lebanon. Golan Heights belong to Syria.

    These countries offered you Peace in exchange of their land. israel could sign agreements with Egypt and Jordan, coz both were large, powerful countries. But Lebanon or Syria are too weak. Palestine doesn't even exist. That is the only reason why there is no peace. israel is a militaristic society. More than 40% of its citizens are in active reserves. Thats why israel will never make peace.
     
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    #30
    Hamas/Hizbullah ___________ in order for a peaceful prisoner exchange

    Just fill in the blank with fired rockets, suicide bombers, car bombs, border attack.
     
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    #31
    Are you seriously moaning that Hizbullah used rockets against Israel during a war. lol
     
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  12. gauharjk

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    #32
    Do you know that israel has detained more than 11,000 Palestanian prisoners, and has kept most of them without trial?

    Most of them are innocent.

    For example
    Here is another source - BBC News - UK
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7101355.stm

    Now? Do you know why soldiers are kidnapped? Or are you still ignorant?
    How long do administrative detentions last?
    So much for the freedom in israel...:rolleyes:
     
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  13. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #33
    lol, why should we even consider going back to pre-1967 borders ? These morons attacked us first, miserably lost within 6 days, and now demand a "refund" ? There's no refund. That's consequences. No attacky = No takey.
    Deal with it.

    And let me remind you, that if you give the Palestinians a finger, they will want the whole arm. War will be never over until all 'Zionists' will perish. They think with blood.
     
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  14. Aceday

    Aceday Banned

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    #34
    lol actually the only reason israel won was because it had all american and british tanks, planes, bombs etc. The arab armies were weak with crap everything, everyone new it was going to end fast, the israeli army was far superior, the david v goliath picture you paint is a myth.

    Now lets not forget israel was defeated by a little militia army only last year in Lebanon, you still didnt get your soldiers back, did you?

    Time destroys everything, your little concocted country wont make it through the end of this century, unless it abandons its evil ways. :)
     
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  15. iggysick

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    #35
    Than you will never have peace. Deal with it. It's simple as that.

    Would I be an anti-semite if I say something like: And let me remind you,that if you give a Jews a finger they will want the whole arm?

    Funny how you first say that you won't give back occupied territories and that say that they fight because they hate "zionists". Hummmmmmm common sense telling me that large part of their fighting have something to do with occupied territories...
     
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  16. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #36
    I have come to the conclusion that i have much better things to do than discuss with you Zionist, Israel and US haters about this crap.
    Have fun [​IMG]
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #37
    I don't get the folks who blame arabs. Aren't arabs followers of the Religion of Peace? And the Jews??? Oh boy, they are the bad guys and have always been. They don't want to give land to folks who just want peace. The poor oppressed arabs.

    "Excuse me mister airport security guy. Why do we have these increased security measures at airports across the country? Are the Jews plotting again?" :rolleyes:
     
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    #38
    Yup, peace for you is a crap. I got that from your posting here. But they don't want a peace, right? ;)
     
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  19. DevilHellz

    DevilHellz Well-Known Member

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    #39
    Nah, i'm just really tired of "discussing" with people such as yourself who put words into other's people's mouths, approve of genocide, lie, make racist remarks and so forth.
    It is time for you girls to play with yourselves. :)
     
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  20. Aceday

    Aceday Banned

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    #40
    Proteindude, i hope they give you a FULL examination at the airport (glove time) lol :)

    Islam is not pacifism, you cannot have peace with people that steal your country, do ethnic cleansing, oppress your people. That would be called stupidity.

    I know that sounds logical to you but thats because you are, well.. ;)

    Also this is not a discusiion about Jews, there are many non zionist jews.

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
     
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