What can you suggest to stop terror?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Arnie, Jul 22, 2005.

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How should the world community deal with the Iranian NBomb threat

Poll closed May 22, 2006.
  1. Tough (in negotiations)

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  2. Tougher (sanctions)

    5 vote(s)
    6.6%
  3. Toughest (even to war)

    19 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Other Muslim states must go against Iranians attempt too

    6 vote(s)
    7.9%
  5. All of the above

    23 vote(s)
    30.3%
  6. Tolerance

    15 vote(s)
    19.7%
  7. Have to stock pampers first before I vote

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #701
    You are an absolute nut job if you are going to compare a mass murderer with ambitions to take over the world to the leader of the free world. That is just sick. I guess I should have expected this much.

    The rest of your post is just complete and utter nonsense. What happened in your life to make you so vindictive and bitter?
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #702
    Why should anyone be bothered by terrorism then as well?

    And what does Iran have to defend itself against? Seriously? What, or who? No one that I know of.

    I'm not sure there was a UN back then. I think you can appreciate the different circumstances and the reasons that led to the development of the first atomic bombs, as well as why they were used. There is no comparison here.

    Give it a rest. We are all sick of the US bashing. I think you know just why the US had nuclear weapons and why they conducted tests. I think you also know that for years we have been eliminating them. NO ONE should have them PERIOD. Again, there is just no comparison here.

    What harm? Remove them from the earth before they cause harm. You cannot change the mindset of a terroist. That is the point. Ultimately it is going to take convincing those that are not terrorist, but support them both directly and or indirectly.

    But it will prevent them from being sucessful at carrying out terror attacks. That is the point, and it is working.
     
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #703
     
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  4. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #704
    Gworld

    You're posting a lot, but it seems that you're not very solution-friendly.

    Can I sak you one more time and you just answer with yes or no.

    If in the Muslim world would be a personality like Gandhi in India to solve a problem peacfully, would you agree?
     
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  5. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #705
    Gworld
    one more thing

    In the old testament which starts with the first book of Genesis, the beginning and fall of man and right after there in the same book the hint to Jesus for the new testament.

    So, the old testament is all about Jesus allready and only after he arrived we (believers) were put in rightstanding with God again and everything has changed.

    You're lashing out on the OT and put quotes out of context.

    The New Testament doesn't contradict the old one but is its fullfillment.
     
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  6. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #706
    If you want to know where Bin Laden is check this out...sounds quite reasonable...
     
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  7. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #707
    As Israel plans a unilateral withdrawal of all Jews from the Gaza Strip this fall, al-Qaida operatives are reportedly ready to move in.
    more here

    Today, iran has finally rejected the proposal from Europe, right after the USA agreed on that plan.

    Wow, seems like they're preparing for the final stage together with what was posted above.

    Everyone still asleep?

    Victory over these culprits is the only answer.
     
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  8. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #708
    why, because you say so, your claim was that anybody who gets the majority of the votes of the people is right, Hitler did, so according to your logic he must have been right.

    The answer is simple USA. I have already quoted even directly from CIA web site that the history of the country was changed by CIA sponsored coup the last time, what guarantee do they have that this time will not be by direct occupation? If the occupations of Iraq and no action against North Korea teaches them anything, the lesson will be that only countries with nuclear weapon will be safe from occupation.

    Arnie

    did you find any proof for previous claim that Ghandhi wanted to become Christian? I guess not since you don't know anything about him or the history of the region just like to throw the name around.
    While Ghandhi was very important in India independence, one of important factors that persuaded English to leave was the fact that they have been involved in colonial wars with different fighters all over the region in different countries since the end of WWII and they understood that they have to leave or face a full fledge war that they had no possibility to win. To make sure that India will have problem for a long time to come, they divided the country to 2 part India and Pakistan before they leave.

    your arguments about Old Testament and New Testament is just pure non sense that I have answered before, just read my previous postings.

    For all of you who are asking if UN existed during WWII, it was called league of nation, established in 1919 after WWI and guess what, one of the countries that refused to join was USA,. UN in present form was developed after WWII.
    It is interesting that USA expects that all other country should follow UN when it suits American interest but they call UN corrupt and ignore it's ruling and recommendation as they did in case of Iraq.:rolleyes:
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #709
    Yea, nothing like corrupt oil-for-food programs and oil vouchers to get in the way of what's right and wrong.

    Still no scriptures from the New Testament, eh?

    Here's a hint: If you claim not to believe in God (but don't mention Allah) and that you are an Athiest, then proceed to bash the US, Israel the Bible (Old and New Testament) while defending the quran, terrorists, countries who support terrorism; some people might believe you. Have you ever tried this tactic before? I'm thinking it might work well :D
     
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  10. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #710
    To make it as clear as possible so even you understand

    BIBLE= QUARAN = Irrelevant old books with many stupid, aged ideas.

    GOD = Allah = what ever you like to call it= DOSE NOT EXIST

    New Testament = Anti-Semite = Base for different hate groups who justify hate against Jews by Bible teaching that Jews are Christ killer and All Jews are responsible.

    If UN is so bad then why do you expect other countries to listen to it?
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #711
    Gworld you seem to be the most narrow minded person I have met. You have listened to other peoples opinions without getting facts. You take a verse out of the bible and give it your meaning because you take it out of context.

    Arnie is right about the bible, but I don't think you even read the words he wrote, because your answer didn't follow his comment.

    I am writing in small sentences in hope that you would read each word, but it doesn't seem to work.

    BTW, God is not allah, allah is some moon god which does not exist. (Why do you think the moon is on so many flags and represents the muslims?)

    I wonder what the dead sea scrolls say? - Oh, they say the same things as the Bible.

    If you think it was the Jews to blame, you still haven't read my posts did you. I guess you probably are not reading these words either and will respond again with something pointless. I will repeat myself, it was MY fault Jesus died. BTW, I am not Jewish and it is MY fault. Oh, never mind, you probably haven't read past the first 5 words and are rambling on right now about the Bible being anti-sematic, which is so far from the truth. I think that typing to you has become useless and meaningless, and we just go round in circles since you are so set in your views, yet do not have any understanding of the Bible.
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #712
    I believe we all see which one you attack exclusively.

    I believe we all see which one you attack, again. I might add that My God is certainly no Allah. My God does not command me to kill others in his name.

    And again, we see which one you attack. Jesus was a Jew and after his death, the Apostles continued to reach out to the Jews. Paul and Timothy reached out to Jews and we know in Romans 1:16 that we are to reach out to the Jews first.

    What does the quran say about Jews:

    Quran [5:51] - O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

    Quran [9:29]
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

    Quran [47:4]
    When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

    From the hadith (there are a number of hadiths or ahadeeth as plural):
    "Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him." This is in reference to judgement day. There is more context to this that is worth reading.

    Yet you choose to attack the Bible and Christianity falsely when you clearly know the above. We see which side you attack, yet again.

    I have no great expectation of the UN at all. They have clearly shown their organization to be corrupt at the highest levels. The only expectation I have is that our (not yours) Congress will reduce their funding to the point they can no longer exist, OR, John Bolton gets in there and uncovers even more corruption or manages somehow to turn things around.

    What is your expectation of the UN?
     
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    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    #713
    With all the countries busy fighting , I think the only country benefitting is China.

    China may be a powerful economy, having the largest army and nuclear capabilities and a VETO power too.....still it amazes by the way it has cut itself off from controversial matters of the world and followed a policy of total non interference . It may have small disputes with likes of India, but these dont matter much .

    An interesting case study ....lol
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #714
    Debunked, where did you hear that? Was it from a friend of a friend who knew a Nazi who is a priest in Mexico now? :rolleyes:

    Allah (Arabic: الله allāh) is the Arabic word for "God". It is ultimately derived (according to most etymologists) from Proto-Semitic ʾil-, as is Hebrew El). The word Allah is traditionally used by Muslims, but it is not used in Islam exclusively; Arab Christians and Arab Jews also use it to refer to the monotheist deity. Arabic translations of the Bible also employ it, as do Catholics in Malta (who pronounce it as "Alla"), and Christians in Indonesia, who say "Allah Bapa" (Allah the Father).

    Islamic use of "Allah"

    From the point of view of traditional Islamic theology, Allah is the most precious name of God because it is not a descriptive name like other Ninety-nine names of Allah, but the name of God's own presence. Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam. In Islam, there is only one God and Muhammed is the last messenger.

    Wikipedia definition of Allah

    BTW, do you nitice that I provide referance for my postings and you don't. That is because you have no idea what you are talking about and just throw out what you have heard from some illiterate preacher or right-wing media. Try to educate yourself and you won't make so many ridcolous postings.
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #715
    Funny, You take my sentences and try to reword them to make me look like I said something else.

    You keep going back to the friend of a friend garbage. - I know the guy and his brother (not like great friends) and I spoke to them when they were skin head nazis and then about 10 years later I met up with them and that was the story I related to you. NO friend of a friend and I never said that. Are you not reading the whole sentence? Of course not, that would be too mind opening. Oh well, I will let it be at that. You obviously don't want to know the truth. Such as where did the moon god come from? Did you read the history of where the god of the moon became the islamic god who tells people to kill infidels and Jews? no you didn't or you would get it. I am just typing now, since you obviously are not reading what is written. kind of strange to respond to things and not read them. It makes you sound a bit off base, but so be it. over and out. la la la, meaningless typing going on now just to put words on the page that make no sense since they are not read. Look mom no hands. Funny isn't it. Hi Gtech and Hi Mia hope you all are having a great and peaceful weekend without anyone being blown up next to you. Hug and kiss your families today and thank the one and only true God for his Love, Mercy and Grace He offers to all of us. God bless.
     
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  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #716
    Thank you Debunked. I wish the same for you and your family. A peaceful weekend free of high explosives.

    gworld, we see what and who you attack :rolleyes:
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #717
    Please provide a reference, I would be interested to know who is shoving this non sense down your throat.
    Do you think wikipedia is in collaboration with Muslim and terrorists, fighting against your free world? I just quoted directly from their page in response to your moronic statement.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #718
    Uh oh, gworld is offended now :) We see what you defend!

    There is a constant struggle on wikipedia to between muslims (you) and non-believers (me) about the vile aspects of islam.

    Just look at all the controvesy over the word Jizya:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jizya

    All that over a little "infidel tax." Makes ya wonder ;)

    Regarding the moon god. It's not who is shoving non-sense (we see what you defend :) ), it's history. Would you like to be enlightened?
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #719
    I know you are not very smart, so let me clarified for you.

    Gworld opinion for dummies. :)

    What do I attack:

    • illiteracy
    • bigotry
    • Hate
    • Violance

    Who do I attack:

    illiterate bigots with no tolerance for other cultures, religions and ideas that look for any excuse to aim the anger from the misery and frustration in their daily life against anyone or anything that at present time is politically acceptable to hate.


    :)
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #720
    gworld's on a revisionist trip now!

    Speaking of intolerance, will you be showing your intolerance for Christianity anymore? I find your constant bashing of Christians, Jews, the US and Israel funny. Although I know you won't be bashing your own religion, but rather demanding proof (once again) as above.

    We know who and what you defend :D

    How does one tolerate the intolerant?
     
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