Who is misleading millions of Christians - God or Devil ?

That's as close to a no as you're gonna get

 

surely you're familiar with the "fish in a lake" scenario? Or in the very least, "Cat in a box"????

Fish in a lake states that, to the fish, the entire Universe is the Lake.. nothing beyond it exists save for the occasional inferferance of a strange thread baring the evil worm of death (ok, Im making up the worm of death part..).
If you were able to ask the fish his opinion on say, polaris, what do you think his reply would be if you informed him of the nature of the Universe? That there are stars and planets...etc etc ad naseum.

In the same manner, of the 12-15 dimensions that are measured in some form or another, and taking out the four dimensions that we at least partly live in and experience and control (4th, time, being the one that we have very little control over save for acceleration and perhaps, in some smallish way, mass); What do you suppose that we know of the others and how we can manipulate (e.g. have dominion) them?

I'd suggest that it is very little indeed.

Shall I go into the cat in the box as well, or do you already know if the cat is dead..or alive?

 

Alright mrmojo seems to not really know as much as he is pretending to know, but I applaud him for wanting to learn more about scientific theories, that is a start....

To speed up things I'll just give a basic overview, so no need to worry about formulas.
First it is not called Quantem realm it is called Quantum mechanics. It is a theory to attempt to create a unified theory of everything. Basicly how all forces in the universe connect to each other, and to explain atomic and subatomic behaviour. A scientific theory that can explain the subatomic forces and the major forces (gravity, electromagnetism, etc).

Now the exciting part: Quantem mechanisms lead to the idea of the realm of scientific string theory (This is what I believe Mr Mojo believe proves that a god exists). Which gives ideas of potentially unlimited dimensions, universes, and possibilities. If you don't want to read and research all that in the wikipedia pages then here is the chapters of a episode call "The Elegant Universe" you can watch (believe me it is very insteresting) online that aired on pbs quite a while ago. PBS has done a great job creating a scientific episode insteresting enough for anyone to watch.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

Once again this does not prove that a "god" do or do not exist. Only unlimited possibilities within the universe

 

Firstly, I use the term Quantum realm as all encomapsing, from Theory to Physics to Mathematics. What I am not hitting at the is the GUFT (aka; Theory of Everything) because that is not the scope of the discussion.

If you want GUFT, look up Neutrinos and mass.... whole different ball game.

secondly, it's spelled Quantum, not Quantem.

thirdly, I'm not here as an advocate of the Bubbles not Bang theory (Hawkings swing at the GUFT), not to endorse or sway anyone from String theory.
Not once have I mentioned strings, nor was it my attempt to bring them up. Thats 5th and 7th dimensional stuff that is well beyond the scope of the readers (I'm pretty sure it is anyways) and would bear little, if any fruit in the discussion.


back to the fish and cat

 

God Never Mislead....He always give right path

 

Nobody is denying the existence of universe, that would be stupid since we can see the limited amount of it but that does not prove the existence of an almighty God.

 

OK... I'm not really sure where I lost you, but allow me to try to...I dunno, be clearer...

Can you explain to me, in your own words, the nature of the 5th-12th dimensions?

in the same way that you cannot because you (by the laws of nature) cannot conceive of them, let alone visualize them, nor could you begin to ponder them and their meaning, nor can the fish in the lake imagine the possibilities outside his lake.

In the same breath however, the cat in the box is dead. But is he dead because you looked or was he dead before hand?
In the Quantum Realm, it is both.

this is where most people get lost, that (seemingly) our simple existance and observing the Universe seems to dictate it. (dictate the Universe that is as the Universe seems to change by merely looking at it)

it's a very interesting idea with hard factual math to back it up, as well as observation (as ironic as that is).

 

That is how I spelled the word in the link.

If the my post above your post is not what you are talking about, then I believe you really don't know at ALL what you are talking about.

As far as I am aware of there is no scientific term called "Quantum realm". Also the string theory is directly connected to Quantum mechanics. (<<which is a scientific term)

 

Parody on MrJOJO nonsense.

OK... I'm not really sure where I lost you, but allow me to try to...I dunno, be clearer...

Can you explain to me, in your own words, the nature of the 25th-32th dimensions?

in the same way that you cannot because you (by the laws of nature) can conceive of them and visualize them and could you begin to ponder them and their meaning and the fish in the lake can imagine the possibilities outside his lake.

In the same breath however, the cat in the box is alive. But is he alive because you looked or was he alive before hand?
In the Quantum Realm, it is both.

this is where most people get lost, that (seemingly) our complicated existance and observing the Universe seems to dictate it. (dictate the Universe that is as the Universe seems to change by merely looking at it)

it's a very interesting idea with hard factual math to back it up, as well as observation (as ironic as that is) that God does not exist.

 

while it's a moot point, you actually spelled it right in your copy paste portions, but misspelled it each subsequent time. Just found it funny is all

rigghhtt, ok then. Let me get this straight: Because im not talking about what you think I'm talking about; I don't know what I'm talking about? Is that the basic jist of your argument?

Again, because you seem a bit slower than the rest... It's a term I (Bold added for your benefit) use to be all encompasing (that means all in one) so I don't have to write out "Quantum Theory, Quantum Mathematics, Quantum Physics" each time.

I can go alot slower however. I am trying to educate, not emulate nor instigate. By going from the beginnings of Quantum idea's, establishing a premise (e.g. a good foundation) we can build the level's up by degree's, lest we completely lose each other in the discussion for lack of understanding why "this causes that" or whatnot.

 

So basically you are saying that you have absolutely no clue?

If you are trying to say something else (ie; that I don't know what I'm talking about.) I dare you to prove me wrong.
See, what I don't get is, because you do not agree with me, and base your entire ideology/philosophy of life and science on science itself, you reject science and it's basic premise... because... someone you don't like said it.

Again, show me where I am wrong.

 

That is a lie MrMojo. all you have to do is look at the time in the forum post; my post's time clearly is before your post

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2122346&postcount=43

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2122378&postcount=44

So you are either blind or lying.

No but because you explain poorly and make up your own terms. While I am using scientific terms while explaining and providing links so people can see and research what I am talking about for themselves.

I am definitely not the one who looks like a fool, you might need a mirror.
Making up your own terms to try to explain things is bad when you are talking to someone who actually knows what he is talking about.

....and last, you really have no (or at the greatest a very small) idea of what you are talking about.

 

There is a big difference between science and nonsense and yours is definitely nonsense.

 

hu? are you trying to blame me for your lame ass typo somehow?

The only "scientific term" you even came close to using was Quantum Mechanics, which you MISSPELLED More than one time lol. You provided a link to a NOVA type program.. how does that show that you know what you are talking about? so far, all you've put here are typo's and babble.

ohhh, so this is about you thinking you know more than me or anyone else on this eh?
ok, gotcha, show me what ya got

Just because I use a term out of laziness does not mean I don't understand and practice a concept. I know you can do a google (and most likely will), but lets see how quick with google you are.

How does the GUFT relate to the Divine Principle?

 

How is it non-sense?
All I ask is to prove me wrong. You have the world's history of knowledge at your fingertips to prove me wrong, I defy you to do so.

 

You haven't said anything yet and that is the problem. How can I prove a nonsense is wrong when it doesn't make any sense to begin with?

 

If I haven't said anything, then how can it be "non-sense"???

Your circular reasoning fails you terribly.

 

Having trouble finding the answer as to the GUFT and Divine Principle? Seems you don't know as much as you thought.

I intentionally asked you a question you couldn't google the answer too. The ball is in your court.

 

What typo? I have spelled the word correctly in the link. I am saying you are lying as I have shown proof. Now if you can, look at the links and prove me wrong.

Did you forget about string theory? atomic? subatomic? etc.. Now how many have you used? Oh I remember NONE..just a bunch of crazy made-up words..

No, babble is what you are doing. I explained the basics of Quantum mechanics, and provided links that readers could understand, which happen to be the correct wikipedia links and a link to a Nova program anyone can download to see for themselves.

First the theory of everything is called TOE not Guft. Secondly I don't care about the divine principe, which is from the Unification Church.
The first time you are right, I had to google the "divine principle", it is not scientific and it is a religion.

 

Actually your wrong. the Theory of Everything is nickname for the GUFT, the Grand Unified Field Theory.
Come now, this is BASIC Quantum ideas here, not rocket science

and your wrong yet again, the Divine Principle aka Golden Rule is a geometric value.

still will give you time though. you may also want to look up .618, 6.18 or 61.8 in your quest for knowledge.

1+1=2/1=.5