Iraq Study Group : the war is essentially already lost

No, actually, I was simply saying you didn't understand the breadth of what I wrote, fully....that or you simply want to imply your vision upon me.

No, that's not a solution (perse), but it's something that should be done regardless.

No, I'm not actually familiar with that. Do you have reputable link that I could look into that?

 

After 10 or 15 years of embargo, if Iraqis have had WMD, they would have to put them on their shoulder and run 100 yards to the border and throw the missile the other side of their border...I get the picture in my mind already
We all know this war was, is and will be a mistake. We ALL know, we ALL knew...

 

Hind Sight....

 

1. One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering: “Mothers may still want their favorite sons to grow up to be President, but . . . they do not want them to become politicians in the process” (John F. Kennedy).
2. One who is skilled or experienced in the science or administration of government.

Neither of these fits either.

Stop making me own you... It's getting silly... I just don't feel right embarrassing you this close to Christmas!

 

May be because it has none.

Let's hear it from him:

President Jalal Talabani heaped flattering praise on Iran Sunday night, saying the Iraqis feel owed to its eastern neighbor because of the assistance they received during the rule of former dictator Saddam Hussein.

"The Iraqi people, especially the Kurds, do not forget the Islamic Republic's assistance and we are all owed to Iran," the Iraqi leader said in a speech carried by the state TV, monitored at this border city.

"During the years of struggle against the Iraqi dictator (Saddam Hussein) and homelessness of thousands of Iraqis, it was the Islamic Republic which stood beside the Iraqi people," Talabani said.

"We do not forget how Iranians came to assist Iraqis when Saddam attacked Halabja with chemical bombs, transferring thousands of the injured to Iranian hospitals," the Iraqi president recalled.

Iran opened its borders to the flood of the Iraqi refugees, fleeing the Baath regime's ruthless crackdown which followed after the Kurds in northern Iraq and Shias in the country's south had risen up against Saddam at the end of the first Persian Gulf war in 1991.

President Talabani: Iraqis are owed to Iran

And let's not forget his meeting with Saddam. The problem with these people is that they usually work for couple of security services that can even be in conflict with each other.

 

Your response is non-sensical to what I wrote (below).

"No, actually, I was simply saying you didn't understand the breadth of what I wrote, fully....that or you simply want to imply your vision upon me"

 

You have no idea what reality is. One look at your site, more than confirms this. You live in a conspiracy bubble where young angry white males make video clips to entice gullible people like you to their site to buy books, paid access, videos, etc. And you feel it's your duty to perpetuate their BS and make them rich.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1806583&postcount=196

How does something that does not exist, get looted?

You should be ashamed of yourself. You have no honor and no integrity at all. You call others "sheeple" for getting their information from the media, when your very own position on Iraq matches the very media you criticize.

If ever there was an example of why parents should spend quality time with their kids, you are the poster child for that cause!

I see Mia has already corrected your latest lie.

 

By the way, what is wrong about saying some Iraqi's should feel gratitude towards Iran in attempting to help some from certain death? I know the Islamic Repubic isn't the most savory of groups, but evens Iran's worst can have compassion for some people.

But aside their vision of matyrdom.

 

In the end of 1970s and beginning 1980 his group was working with Iranian army against Iraq army and also against Kurds in Iran who were fighting against Iran government. His group was an unofficial part of Iran Army.
I am sure when Iran has become the absolute power in Iraq and the whole country is controlled by Iranian embassy in Baghdad, you will see nothing wrong with that either, as long as Bush stays on the course that nobody knows what it is.

 

You act a lot like yo-yo, and a few others here. Very snide and non-productive.

I understand there are many conflicts and problems revolving around this, but I don't think an option of 'giving up' is reputable. That would just perpetuate more problems. I've rarely ever agreed with Bush's decesions, but that doesn't mean I desire similiar ends. It's a matter of being independent and practical, while I assume many would rather go with a leap of faith.

My faith is slim, and I chose not to leap off the cliff from the left or the right. I'm hoping we have the sense to walk straight, and stay on the cliff.

Nothing is going to be completely good for anyone in this conflict...leave...stay...it's going to piss someone off.

 

The only thing that US government needs to give up is the idea of having a colony in Iraq. That is not viable option and USA will lose sooner or later but the government actions will dictate who will be in power when they will be forced to leave. By staying and fighting, they will insure that next government is anti-American and most likely controlled by Iranian.
The solution is start thinking about ending the occupation and not having a colony in that area; and start developing democratic movements by permitting free press, political parties and meetings. A truly open and democratic movement will disarm the terrorists and diminish their supports. The question is if USA is ready to give up it's imperial ambitions.

 

I'm not ashamed of myself at all, I call people "sheeple" when they flat refuse to take into account the other side of the story (like yourself who only hears what you want to hear.)

Try looking at the other side of the story, try reading around some of the alternate media sites instead of believing all the mainstream media BS. Most of these alternative media back their claims up with evidence.
The fact is with this P&R forum is that there will always be 2 types of people, both opposed to the other persons view. Therefore no-one will ever "win" (bit like Iraq really )

You can call people that disagree with your views "young angry white males with low iqs" but that just sounds a bit childish, even though it shows up first in a Google search with my post (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...ry+white+males+with+low+iqs&btnG=Search&meta=) at the top.

You are famous on Google GTech for your superbly coined childish phrase, I'd copyright it if I were you.

I set my site www.timetowakeup.net up because I firmly believe that we are constantly being lied to by people in positions of trust, you think the opposite. Neither of us will win but we are all entitled to our own opinions at the end of the day.

And I think you will find that most of the vids on my site are not made by "young angry white males make video clips" but are professionally produced and backed up with facts and evidence.

 

There is no other side of the story. You cannot mask "an opposing view" based on a lie.

There is no other side. WMD were found. You cannot lie it away, no matter how hard you try to lie or sugar coat it. A lie is not called "another view."

It's a well deserved ranking, you earned it.

It's not mine to copyright, I believe it was Perry Logan who first coined the phrase. It seemed to fit any number of people here, so I use it.

Your site is the best example of projectionism I can recall. You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. And I will call you out every time you cannot resist the temptation to lie. Work on your integrity, as if it actually mattered to you.

I've debunked a number of them here on this forum along with others. If you had the will, you could do it as well. It's not hard unless you try to think and nothing happens.

I see you still have not answered those "tough" questions I presented. I think that's very telling on your part about what you *really* stand for. The silence was deafening. Kind of what I thought all along.

 

I don't understand this perception. What exactly do you percieve is a 'colony'?
We still have a military in Europe...is that colony? What exactly makes us a colony-driven there?

The Iraq government is working along with the US government. The perception of the given minister is that most US troops could be gone within 2 years.

There are 'democratic' movements in Iraq. The exactness of that will be dictated in the long-run by Iraqiis.

They do not sufficiently hold a security force, to prevent wide-scale violence.

You use certain words to easily, and therefore make them seem less important.

Perhaps you could give the details of your plan in sequence. That would be extremely productive.

 

But, and this is a problem GTech, is that you use Crappy Blogs, CNN, ABC and The Washington Post and The Daily Wankograph to try and do your debunking for you.

And you have the audacity to say I quote some crap?

What I really stand for is honesty from people in charge of our well being and a strong urge for peace in this world. That is what I stand for.

Going into other countries and destroying them is really not the kind of example countries like the USA and the UK should be setting mate. It breeds hatred.

 

I think this has a rather accurate view concerning Iraqi's suspect WMD programs.


http://www.iraqwatch.org/update/

Rather interesting site that explores the rather odd relations many countries had with Iraq.

 

And this is where your argument fails, because your own views on Iraq are almost identifical to the very media you chastise me for using. WMD were found. It is not a view to say otherwise, it is a lie.

You don't normally quote anything because as you've demonstrated, facts do not matter to you. At best, you post conspiracy videos that always bring a smile and a laugh and the lingering thought of "does he really believe in these cooky things?"

You should lead by example. You should hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. Start by working on your own integrity. A lie is not a view. It is a lie. If you perpetuate them, I will call you on them.

So does blowing up trains, cars, planes, buildings, hotels and anything with a lung. As long as we are going after the kind of people you support, I'm content with that.

 

Indeed it is, and the fact remains that there were no WMDs.

This is going round and round in circles.

Before the invasion began there should have been 100% proof of WMDs. Iraq is now worse and a lot more dangerous than it evr was under Saddam.

It's a disaster zone, bring the troops home. The worlds policeman is in a "no win" situation out there, time to lick the wounds and bring them back before any more of them get needlessly killed.

You are so spooked GTech that you think anyone in that area of the world is a terrorist. Time to take a reality check buddy.

 

The fact remains, that you are willing to lie and have no regard for the truth. I think you've overwhelmingly made that point. That is the point you were trying to make, again and again, correct?

There are no wounds to lick. I believe you've also demonstrated your desire to proclaim victory on behalf of your buds. You'll be disappointed.

Work on your integrity.

 

search on google videos for "money masters" and "freedom to fascism". He who controls money, controls the world.. eg. Rothchild, Rockerfeller backers of Federal Reserve. THE BANKERS. Based on paper money, they create out of thin air, which government pays interest for. American system based on Bank of England. DEBT is need to run their system. WAR is good ONE. Just be open minded and take a look. If at least one has watched it, I think I had made a tiny difference.

If you are lazy here you go:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+masters