I did not say you were anti-American. And you still don't have an answer. We're approaching a dozen attempts. Nothing?
I'm not asking you to teach, nor am I asking you for links or to spoon feed information. My question was very specific, yet you've avoided it time and time again. You've asserted that civil liberties have been lost. I would think you would have a clue as to which one(s) have been lost, in order to make such a bold statement. The question, again: What civil liberty(s) have been lost due to the patriot act? If you don't know, just say "I don't know" and let's move along. Or, you can avoid the question again. Which works best for you?
You guys are losing all your rights, peeps like GTech are too stupid to see it. Bush still has 2 years left, I dread to think what more damage will be done before that idiot leaves office. I'm a Brit but the way we Kow-tow (sic) to the USA scares the shit out of me. The USA thinks it's the worlds policeman, that annoys a lot of people all over the world.
That was hillarious! How could I possibly be too stupid to see it when two non-American numbnuts can't even identify what civil liberty(s) have been lost? This is too funny! You just can't make this kind of stuff up!
This is how you are sounding right now. If you actually read and address my posts you will see "somethings". Those bulleted points are indeed identifications of lost civil liberties. You can continue to deny and ignore that I am even posting here and perhaps you would be interested in joining the Flat Earth society. And now you stoop to namecalling. Those points in bullets are identifications. Stop repeating the same denial and ignorant statements and address those points. People residing outside of the US are not necessarily any less informed about this discussion.
That's his forte mate, blindly ignorant of life affecting changes to his libertys going on all the time and right under his nose.
They are not lost civil liberties. You need to reference my (not your) Constitution and show where these are liberties and have been lost. You should probably check your source again too as it does not list these as lost civil liberties either. Let me know when you actually find something.
I'm still waiting for either of you non-Americans to actually list a civil liberty lost Having trouble with that one, eh?
Yes, obviously when we are discussing something related to the United States the reference would be from the US constitution. I have provided you a link to the text of the patriot act (now part of the constitution) & you can look it up & post here if you feel that the bulleted points are untrue. I find this part of your post particularly pathetic yet amusing: So, according to you a civil liberty is defined by it's presence in the constitution? You are aware that women couldn't vote in the US untill the year 1920?
I've already asked you for this. The bulleted points you reference are just that, talking points. They are not lost civil liberties nor does your source suggest so. If you believe a civil liberty is lost, you should reference the US Constitution, read it, and determine which one you feel has been lost. I find it right on target. Non Americans repeating like sheep (boing!) what they've heard elsewhere, but when asked to back up such statements, cannot do so. We're well past a dozen attempts now and you've failed to note any civil liberty lost. It's not that you care, you just want to attack America and find yourself in a position of not being able to back up your rhetoric. I am aware women can vote today and have not lost the right to do so. Is this your smoking gun evidence for a lost civil liberty?
Are scanned images of relevant pages of the US constitution prior to, and after the patriot act what you're looking for GTech? Why would I possibly want to attack America? I personally admire the US. Another source, and not "talking points": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act#Provisions
My point has been consistent and avoided well over a dozen times now: I would think that for two people who suggest "all of your rights are disappearing" that between the two of you, you might be able to identify those civil liberties. However, I keep proving myself wrong So you know where those lost civil liberties are? Thank goodness! I thought you just avoiding the question all this time! Wouldn't it be better to list which civil liberties are lost? Identifying provisions of the Patriot Act is great! But where are the lost civil liberties?
From the site: We have allready debunked this myth, nobody protested against it so I guess the case is closed. Have no significant backing amongst demolition experts. Also, it would be hell of a job to install all explosives in the building without anyone noticing anything. And? There's no alternative theory presented here. Just the usuall layman-picture-mysteria. However, they may refer to the theory that a missile hitted the plane. Here's what a weapon experts take: That's most likely because the construction. The parts found at the pentagon proves that there was a 757 have hitted the building. At that time, the world wasn't used to terror attacks at that scale. Nations have mounted up for a conventional war, but was little prepared to handle threats from terrorism. They refer to the daily telegraph article and some PR5 blog. But lets discuss the Telegraph article, it actually have a point, they(the hijackers) admitt Osamas involvement. That's just one article with no sources, just a story. This is a brilliant news-bait with will result in profits. The evidence the article brings up is only some statements from people that is supposed to look similar as the real hijackers. However, one may also look at this from a strategic perspective. Why would the real masterminds behind 9/11 steal identities when you actually can make up false identities?
Okay Gtech you idiot here goes: Loss of privacy (by having your communications intercepted without a warrant), being placed under surveillance without a warrant, and having your house searched secretly & not being told about it is a loss of civil rights! Now I look forward to your next post which is likely to be something along the lines of "but that's just a talking point. you're just saying it! identify that this is a loss of civil rights!"
Yes, but the state is responsibel to deal with enemy attacks, invading Afganistan was the only right for US to do. However, I believe things like wiretapping civillians, microshipsimplants and restricted speech zones are not really necessary in a modern society and I don't think its the right way to respond to terrorism.
Did you omit the source for this intentionally? After nearly two dozen attempts, you finally come up with something. Please source it for verification.
http://news.findlaw.com/usatoday/docs/terrorism/patriotact.pdf http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1513423&postcount=235 I rest my case.
Dude, where is your verification for what happened on 9/11 other than what you have been told by the media and the 9/11 Whitewash Commision Report? They (the US Government) say they had no idea of any terrorist attack on that day yet they relased a list of the highackers less than 24 hours after the attacks. You need to wake up guy.
There are 132 pages in the patriot act. Which section(s) of this document do you base your claims above on? You should have rested it long ago. It's weak and without substance. And if that's what you rest it on, you failed miserably