Hi, I am a hosting provider in my local city and I have tried to get my site into DMOZ becuase my competetior has site there. Despite my site is better than my competetior and everything is okay, thus i am not able to make my site get listed in dmoz. I am trying years after year in hope that one day it will get listed but due to no information from dmoz i am not able to find out why they are not listing the site ? There are only very few links in that absolute category and it will be helpful to me as well as people of the city if my site is also listed coz i am and that other guy who has his site listed are the major players but dunno! I have read several times that dmoz editors take bribe etc. to list the site maybe i am not giving is a reason my site is not getting listed ? Any helpful tips ? Thanks.
Helpful tip #1 - don't suggest a bribe to an editor. Doing so will ensure your site is never listed. Helpful tip #2 - don't worry about getting listed in the ODP. That way, when and if it happens, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Helpful tip #3 - advertise your site using alternate means (printed material, phone book, other directories, etc).
All good tips, especially the 1st & 2nd one I've personally submitted once and let it go, no point in sending multiple times either, they have a policy against that as well I believe.
Hi, Thanks for the helpful tips. Sad thing is that they don't have a policy on submission status! Thanks.
Correct, but RZ and most individual editors do . The logic goes like this If the site is listable (self check), we'll list it in time. Knowing that it's awaiting evaluation doesn't make any difference. If the site is unlistable, it'll either have been declined already or is waiting to be declined. Knowing which doesn't make any difference. Please note that we don't decline websites because they've been suggested to the wrong place or with crappy titles/descriptions. If the website is otherwise listable, we simply correct the listing suggestion. We do deal with spammers though.
Not getting listed in DMOZ is not end of the road - and as already pointed out, no point in wasting your time to look at alternates or unethical ways to get it listed there. There are plenty of good directories where you can get listed, or opt for other methods to attract traffic. Good content website will in any case get traffic from search engines so I would prefer good traffic instead of losing my sleep over site not getting listed in dmoz!
Hi, If I offer a bribe to an editor to list my competitor's site, will it ensure my competitor is never listed? I expect so.
I can think of several possible ones. 1. No volunteer has yet volunteered to evaluate it. 2. Some volunteer has evaluated it and found it to be unlistable. 3. It's been banned for spamming.
Like dmoz is giving any priority to volunteer applications. There's no priority to that either. Submit and forget. A decline mail would also give some hope to a submitter that your listing or your editor app. was declined...but no we are dmoz and we will accept some dumb looking site which makes no sense and will not accept proper site unless you're a millioare... what can i say, when there's no reason one has to make assumptions!
What an odd thing to say. I've processed 36 English language ones today (UK time) and all were sent emails saying yeah or nay. The oldest English language editor application in the pool is 28 days old. The worst case is one in Arabic which is 36 days old. Most are much faster than that. See this RZ example today which was under 12 hours.
As JimNoble has said DMOZ deals with editor applications differently from submitted sites. He has quoted you some figures about editor applications that he has personally processed. All editor applications are replied to with a yes or no and some pointers if rejected. You say you must make assumptions when there is no reasons. Perhaps reading the posts in here and the stickie would give you reasons for why sites are not dealt with. No volunteer has come forward to deal with that area and if you have applied and have been turned down as an editor, then we do not have a volunteer that can pass our entry processing. There have been dozens of tips on here as to how to apply, have you read therm? Try using search. Why don't we tell those who suggest sites if they are not used, well for the umpteenth time on these boards, my view is that we have enough problems already with heat saying we are corrupt, can you imagine the work generated if we said, "We are not going to use your site". Next question on here "Why not?" and we would be into major discussions and if we did not reply "well they are corrupt they won't talk to me about my site not being used". Don't forget we don't not use a couple of sites a day, we don't use hundreds. Also believe that we want the public to suggest good sites that they find, that facility is not just the way for site owners to step into a queue, its for anyone to suggest what might be a valuable site, given our criteria, and when a volunteer editor gets round to looking at it they will make a decision to use it or not.
Okay, for once you maybe correct but then did you read what that guy said: 11 hours to say No! This is the main thing, there's always a NO from dmoz, seems No is the buzz word at dmoz!
Sorry are you now complaining that we did that too fast. Most times people complain it is too slow or do you think 11 hours is too slow? And are you implying that perhaps we should just accept anyone? I have had to tidy up after editors who have been accepted and they should not have been, I don't want our senior editors to accept people that they do not believe are up to the job or who can't demonstarte that they are up to the job. You would want us to always say "Yes" would you?
Editors can use any resource that they want. The suggestions pool is only one source and editors do not have to use it. We are not a listing service, we are not there as editors to go through the suggested sites and list as many as we can. We are there to build categories and suggestions are just that...suggestions. I personally don't believe everything that I read in the news people just think up stories and print them, this is just one example. You can check our or formal regular blog edited by AOL staff if you want to keep up to date with DMOZ. Did you read my response about why we do not enter into conversation about sites where they are if they are not being used. You have proved me right, you suggest that because we don't tell you that "its working for only people who have some type of link with some editor internally". If I told you that your site was not in keeping with our guidelines, and I have not nor do i inten d to check it, your next comment would be "Why not. It's PR whatever, its whatever, you must be corrupt not to want it". Now multiply that by hundreds that we don't use. We would need to recruit thousands more editors just to deal with the mail. And this is a voluntary project for editors who want to have building a directory for surfers as their hobby.
Hi, I think you did'nt read the reply properly. Anyways you say that : "I don't want our senior editors to accept people that they do not believe are up to the job or who can't demonstarte that they are up to the job." Ok so according to you your seniors who select a person to become an editor are dumb coz they select people who are incapable (according to you) or you think every 1000th kid is born with the gift to become an editor of dmoz and your seniors who are accepting other people are not one of these kids, so they should be just thrown back and not be given a chance to learn how dmoz works and you can keep the control in your hand but always have some kind of excuse to make: Oh the seniors made wrong people editor.. Oh there are no editors Oh the specific category has no editor Oh i have to clean mess which other editor made who was not capable of being an editor Oh most of the time our dir is down Oh i can't be bothered coz i am busy with my other work And what not.. No one is asking you to accept anything at all. Just give a reason when you deny. A editor denies a submission on some basis or that is also moody ? Editor thinking (while logging into dmoz): Oh today i had fight with my wife i will reject all submissions i got in my category. Is it like that coz if you're evaluating on some criteria then there's always a reason to deny. Don't accept the submission, just tell the reason, don't disclose the editor's name, send reply from a unsolicited email which will bounce emails if reply is sent ?? By just specifying a reason a submittors thinking: Submitter Thinking: Oh wow i got a reply from dmoz after 2 years... Oh thats the reason my submission has got rejected. Good thing, i would have never known that my site had that issue. Thanks to dmoz now i can fix it. But noooooo, we are dmoz, our buzz word is NO. Don't you think its time to move on ?
As they say when you add your site, it may take from few days to several months until a site its accepted.
Why are you suggesting new categories ? Is DMOZ about maintaining a blank directory with empty categories and no editors ? What will surfers do if the categories are blank or have sites which are of no use anymore ? If you had abc.com 10 years ago and now xyz.com is the main man then what a surfer will do on abc.com when its not even good enough ? Do you still buy your stuff from a 25 year old store or do you goto malls, super stores, hyper stores or even buy online ? Wake up buddy!!!! Take the red pill and come to real world!!!
Time is not an issue, the issue is that they do not tell the reason why they have rejected a submission.