I don't think I will. Chaos, lets forget the shooting of unarmed kids, in your opinion (yes still Israel Project related): When Barack Obama demands a halt to 'settlement expansion' is he promoting ethnic cleansing of Jews? along with most of the world (see the links relating to Israeli expansion). Is Obama an Anti-Semite, In your opinion in this respect for saying the Israeli expansion should stop? That's a simple clean question. Also should Israeli settlement expansion continue on the occupied territory? Another simple clean question.
I asked a simple clean question before, which you did not answer, and I understand why you didn't. But anyway, unlike you I am not afraid to answer any question: no. "ethnic cleansing" is a term which is inappropriate to use in conjunction with the Israel-Palestinian conflict. no. he certainly isn't. The fact that you even presented such a stupid question illustrates best your intellectual deficiency. A) I think it shouldn't. B) Some think it should, and present a very strong case. C) All of Israel is "occupied territory", or I would say: "liberated".
The Occupation is on Palestinian lands, Palestinians, has one country, which is Palestine, like Egyptians has Egypt, Syrians has Syria, French has France and so on, the correct comparison is to say, Palestinians has one country which is Palestine, while Jewish people have many countries, they are Polish, French, Iraqi, American, British...etc as Mahatma Ghandi said once: Whether big or small, would it make sense if some gangs gathered from all over the world and occupied the smallest US state with terrorism and massacre, and expelled its people, then showed a map of all US states and said, you have other 50 states so stop demanding us to end occupation? stealing just $1 does not make stealing right
LOL Imad Now Mahatma Ghandi and King hussein quotes.... great. "Palestinians" were invented after/during Israel was born. It did not exist 100 years ago. Back then, there were just "Arabs". "Arabs of Palestine". Capish? All Arabs of the middle east were just "Arabs". Why can't you understand this simple thing? "PALESTINIANS" IS A BY-PRODUCT OF ZIONISM. Such a country NEVER existed. Like the Arabs have Egypt, Arabs have Syria, Arabs have Libya, Arabs have Jordan. Here you finally got one thing right, are a consolation prize I give you a hard question: Your debating strategy is very simple: Israel has no right to exist. In that case, I have couple of questions for you: What historical/cultural/political justification does a country called "Jordan" have? What right it has to oppress its Arab ("Palestinian") population? Why should a beduoin minority rule an area 5 times bigger than Palestine, mostly populated with "Palestinian" Arabs? Why not cancel the artificial joke state of Jordan, and divide the territories of Israel+Jordan between the jewish and "Palestinian" (=Arab) people? we will give the Bedouins "equal rights" Before you answer my questions, have a read: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418538680&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull (try to really read).
nonsense. ethnic cleansing like any other term should apply to the whole world, and that includes to israel and palestanians. equally, all international laws should apply to every nation
another "LOL" post by Chaos followed directly with baseless info, or what can be considered lies and propaganda, the intensive ridiculing Chaos uses to try to dismiss truth, is an enough reason why somebody should always make that little effort to check his claims, the illegal state of Israel was born in 1948, so according to your big lie before that there were no Palestine, then can you answer the following questions: 1- why Palestine is referred to in the Balfour Declaration dated in 1917? 2- why the known newspaper Jerusalem Post, had the name Palestine Post when it was established in 1932, since Palestine name did not exist then and was invented later by Arabs as you claim? 3- why some Zionists uses the word Palestine, as in the quote before dated back to 1943? since it been invented after/during Israel was born? 4- why this ancient non-Arabic map dated back to 1851 shows the name of Palestine, since it been invented by Arabs after Israel was born? your question been answered by Jordanians so many times, and so long ago as in the quote below, but personally, I think Arabs whether Jordanians or Palestinians, have more rights on Palestine than European and Russian foreign immigrants whom do not belong to the region at all:
Because "Palestine" is the name of the piece of land between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river. A geographical term - and that's it. Understand the difference? Palestine - geography. "Palestinian People" - nationality. (new invention, made in Israel, born 1948 or slightly before). Refer to the same Balfour Declaration and see that there are "jews" and.... "Arab communities in Palestine". not "Palestinians" - simply since it did not exist at that time, or else lord Balfour would have known their name, no? The word "Palestinians" also do not appear on any official document before 1948. Before the UN, they had the "League of Nations", where, again and again, the "Palestinians" of today are just "Arabs who live in Palestine". This is why I am from "Palestine", as you can see to the right. "State of Palestine" is like "State of Scandinavia" --> no such thing. Scandinavia historically is a piece of land, not a political entity. So is Palestine, historically speaking. "country of Palestine" which you use is a meaningless term. But you can continue to use it, it makes me "LOL" Because "Palestine" is the name of the piece of land between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river. Because "Palestine" is the name of the piece of land between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river. "Palestine" was a serious candidate for the state of Israel. Finally, the founding fathers decided "Israel", because it is more "jewish" than "Palestine". If they chose "Palestine", instead of Israel, it would have been very fascinating to see what name would have the Arabs of Palestine - deserted rejected and beaten by their Arab "brothers", would have chosen as a name for their collective. my guess is: "the Canaanites", and its too complicated to explain to you why - since you are a beginner in the history of the middle east. BECAUSE "Palestine" is the name of the piece of land between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river. DAMN IT! This piece of land is called "Palestine" before the first Arab set foot in "Palestine". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine Its always my pleasure to teach you stuff Imad, especially History and Islam.
Add one more to the list Today's news South Africa: Israel actions in East Jerusalem akin to apartheid We condemn the fact that Israeli settlement expansion in East Jerusalem is coupled with Israel's campaign to evict and displace the original Palestinian residents from the City http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1130768.html
ok glad that you agree that the name of that geographical area is Palestine, since ACIENT HISTORY, with slight differences, like Palestina at some period, or Philistine (the oldest and most close to the Arabic Falasteen) and now Palestine, names can differ, as like in Franca that became France, Ceylon that became Sri Lanka, Zaire that became Congo, Palestine that been forced not only a new name, but also foreigners, or occupiers, in all countries that changed its names, it was the people of that country, who changed its name, while in Palestine, it was not the people of Palestine, it was the occupiers, so for Palestinians, it is still Palestine, not Israel, and this is how it will always be, whether lands occupied in 1948, or lands occupied in 1967. New York is a geographic area, guess what they do call the people of New york? New yorker, it is no invention, it is common sense you do not see them trying to invent a name for those people who live in new york, then call them French for example, lol, they are new yorkers! even if there is no country called New York! so when you say, the word "Palestinians" been invented, it means there were no people there in the geographic area called "Palestine"? or are you saying, there were Saudi in that area? or maybe Yemeni? there were Palestinians there, whom been denied the right of self-determination, and whom been forced to leave their own land, and this is the most important point, regardless of the names, Palestinians, have all the right, to live in their own land, that is called Palestine.
LOL. did you read my post? all of it? Imad, read my post again. This time, please concentrate. The funny words are bolded, to make it easier for you to understand. Here is the post. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=13002413&postcount=68 Concentrate man!
I read it, check the meaning of the right of self-determination in case this was the first time you hear this word. let's say, Palestinians have the right of self-determination, on their own land, which means they are free to make it a country, or join another country, or some other solution, they are also free to give it whatever name they like, a country, or even a bed room if they want, it is their country (homeland) the question, is what right do these Russian, Polish.. etc foreigners have in that area that it's name is Palestine? all nations have the right of self-determination, since you failed to wipe Palestine off the map, and since you failed to wipe Palestinians off the history, it will be expected now to deny their right of self-determination.
I asked many you never answered. BTW I saw no ? for about the last 4 posts. You mean Jews have intellectual deficiency? See it was Jews saying Obama's an Anti-Semite not me, in fact if you had even read the article you would see that the propaganda group to which you donated (Chaos "I donated 50$.") actually are involved and say removing occupiers is "ethnic cleansing" but that's ironic since they kicked the Arabs out which is otherwise know as "ethnic cleansing". Here's a good case - It's not lawful. Do you think continued Israeli expansion helps the peace process? It's ok putting preconditions on Hamas - but what does Israel actually do to enable peace? The people did it's their nation, you can't just ethnically cleanse an area because it is not a country. (simple basic argument)
I thought that you said you were atheist, no? yet you sound so... imad and new and polite teen... namely: "if one jew says X --> all jews say X" "if one muslim say X - or even one million muslims --> not all muslims say X" This "all is one" "one is all" muslim mentality is glowing from your "atheist" posts. I have never met an atheist who will not dare say one bad word on the muslims and on the quran. you are the first. Anyway: No. I don't mean "jews have an intellectual deficiency". If one, or two, or three, or 23 persons say or do something, that is not a verdict on their whole nation/religion. but don't tell that to the Egyptians who are rioting the Christians just as we speak. Yes. Jewish individuals can have an intellectual deficiency. Without reading your link, if somebody says that Obama is anti-semitic, then he has a problem with his brain, regardless of his ethnicity. No. I don't think Obama is anti-semitic. Yes. You have an intellectual deficiency if you thought and I might find Obama to be anti-semitic. come on... give me a break... get serious... Nation is one thing, country is another. The Arabs who lived in Palestine never had any sort of soveirgnity over any piece of land. And: A) Back in 1948, it was either we "ethnically cleanse" them or they "ethnically cleanse" us. This is just how it was. It was not the happy days of 2009 with the internet. It was post WWII times. post WWII mentality. This is why this term is inappropriate for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Let me just remind you that they (the Arabs of Palestine + the Arabs of Egypt + The Arabs of Syria etc') attacked us with the goal of our destruction, luckily, they didn't succeed. B) If the Americans, Canadians, French, British (UNTIL THIS VERY DAY!), Chinese, Irani, Australians, and Dutch can "ethnically cleanse" the indigenous populations, why can't we? you think that Australians had a better case than the jews returning to the land of their forefathers and the cradle of their and overall human civilization as we know it today? C) And perhaps most important: most Arabs who were displaced simply fled and were not actively expelled. Some were expelled, in very few cases. Certainly it doesn't help the peace process which does not exist as we speak. But in my opinion, it doesn't damage the imaginary peace process too much. Because the settlements are not the core of the conflict. The core of the conflict is - a jewish state in Palestine, or not. In 2009, same as in 1948. How do you see the peace between Israel and Palestine?
Your dishonesty is amazing, you by omission deny reading the link, seeing the link, then you removed the link from your quotes. IE Obama an Anti-Semite and try to put it into an alternative version which is typical Israeli spin and deceit, just as they lie on TV about their war crimes in front of the world. Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/23/obama-jewish-settlements-isreal (Obama an Anti-Semite) Are you a typical Israeli?
I was an honest as I can. I answered all of your question, one after the other. You never answered any of mine. Sorry for not reading your link, I read the title and it was enough for me. I don't have that much time available. If you hold me personally responsible for everything a pro-Israeli lobbist say, it is not my problem. Then I even closed with my own question. This is how civilized discussions work. The problem is that a civilized discussion takes at least 2 civilized parties... You have nothing to comment on my opinion and clarifications? you can't? you want just to bully? further put yourself to laugh? please. and to your last question - there isn't such a thing "a typical Israeli".
Victim role again? If you remain honest, then I'll answer. I'm not dissecting your obvious lies, falsehoods and "so called questions" - Pratice one role per post IE liar, comedian, or debater.
Go ahead, at least pretend to have brain. I made a post. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=13003007&postcount=74 Make an intellectual answer. If you can. Surprise me. Convince me where I got it wrong. I can be convinced. And answer my question, for the first time.
I don't respond to cropped, altered and otherwise falsified accounts by comedians. Rewind come again, start from here, which is quoted here: You mean Jews have intellectual deficiency? See it was Jews saying Obama's an Anti-Semite not me, in fact if you had even read the article you would see that the propaganda group to which you donated (Chaos "I donated 50$.") actually are involved and say removing occupiers is "ethnic cleansing" but that's ironic since they kicked the Arabs out which is otherwise know as "ethnic cleansing". http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...lements-isreal
I thought that you said you were atheist, no? yet you sound so... imad and new and polite teen... namely: "if one jew says X --> all jews say X" "if one muslim say X - or even one million muslims --> not all muslims say X" This "all is one" "one is all" muslim mentality is glowing from your "atheist" posts. I have never met an atheist who will not dare say one bad word on the muslims and on the quran. you are the first. Anyway: No. I don't mean "jews have an intellectual deficiency". If one, or two, or three, or 23 persons say or do something, that is not a verdict on their whole nation/religion. but don't tell that to the Egyptians who are rioting the Christians just as we speak. Yes. Jewish individuals can have an intellectual deficiency. Without reading your link, if somebody says that Obama is anti-semitic, then he has a problem with his brain, regardless of his ethnicity. No. I don't think Obama is anti-semitic. Yes. You have an intellectual deficiency if you thought and I might find Obama to be anti-semitic. ///////////////////////////////////// Or: Q: You mean Jews have intellectual deficiency? A: No. I don't mean "jews have an intellectual deficiency". Simple Q, simple A. Not a "cropped, altered and otherwise falsified account". U're such a jerk.