browntwn don't be so hard on him. he doesn't have the minimal sense of self-criticism to even understand your point. He's an Arab, remember? "honor must be saved" self criticism? never.
nothing to say ? You just had a 'dream' that the picture is not from Palestine? You are truly gifted. I am really amazed that just by looking at a 330px × 220px yellowish picture of a corpse chest you can tell its nationality
Did this BBC article have any facts or did it just repeat the same baseless claims? I would be curious what about the BBC article convinced you that was not in the original stories you read.
so far this been faced by a storm of denying and rejection by Israel, today even Israeli prime minister started to threat Sweden that if they did not condemn the article, it will be ... ummm .. anti-Semitic more reasons to demand an independent full investigations are the other non-Arab victims: Scottish in 1998 returned without a heart: Romanian in 2001: Romania probes Israeli adoption agency link in organ trafficking Ukrainian in 2002: from an Ukrainian newspaper: It translates to: UKRAINIAN ECHO 07 January 2002 Page 22 A view of the press in Ukraine # KHMELNYTSKY "Returned from foreign labor ... without his heart." Underneath such a headline, this newspaper relates that, reduced to despair by extreme material straits, a 39-year-old Khmelnytsky resident took a job in Israel. However, the terrible news shortly arrived that he had died there of poisoning by a tainted alcoholic beverage (even though all domestic sources insist that he never drank!). The body of the unfortunate worker was returned to Ukraine for burial. However, medical experts discovered that he was missing ... his heart! At the moment, this dreadfully-inhuman affair is being investigated with the help of Interpol.... (Ukrinform, 23 November). besides Israel itself did not deny it before, why threat the Swedish newspaper now? source and more
Maybe in arabic you will understand? كلو كذاب! imad, for the 1000th time, if you want me to take your posts seriously, you have to quote reliable sources. (voiceofpalestine.org .... god) yeah, those that are controled by the jews. I don't believe to anything from the non-jewish-controlled media I didn't know that the Ukraine is a world super power in investigating-journalism........ So, Hans-Christian Anderson, tell us, what was the result of the investigation? "dreadful-inhuman affair" - class A journal.
كلو كذاب! Maybe your broken English is better than your non sense Arabic words. كلو ! does not exist in Arabic language. You just keep trying to be smart and therefore you keep getting yourself in stupid positions.
"all lies" I think this is what you tried to say in Arabic, it is not hard to verify whether they are lies or not, but since you know they are not lies, you try to dismiss them by saying lies, without refuting them, as browntwn used to do, he suddenly cries "LIES" "ANTI-SEMITIC" without actually say why? or refute it, google Alistair Sinclair or Alisdair Sinclair, you will find letters from his family speaking about his heart been stolen by the Israelis terrorists. about the "The minister, Nessim Dahan" and he tactical admitting, how did you know it is a lie, did you contact him and ask him if he said it or not? have you checked Parliament archives? but I know, everything that makes Israel look bad (I mean makes Israel look on its real) is directly a lie for you, these sources are much more reliable than wikipedia you use always despite wikipedia co-founder himself said wikipedia is not accurate, but still, I was able to fix them for you from some other reliable sources.
You know me Imad. Unlike you, there is no "racial-supremacy" element in my views. I accept the fact that there can be Israelis who do bad things, and even that the state of Israel can do bad things, as It did in several occasions. In your 1000 posts so far: even the convicted Libyan terrorists who was jailed after 10 years of investigation, an investigation which made it to the hall-of-fame with movies done about it, is innocent. This is a very common motive in the arab political culture that you reflect here so good. If I had the slightest suspicion that this is true, I would admit it. I don't have this racial supremacy ideology that you have, and many of your countrymen share - due to the bad education you received in childhood from your poor country. I am loyal to the truth. If you want to convince me all you have to do if quote a reliable source, that's all i'm asking. googled, didn't find anything. So, for the 2nd time, what was the result of the interpol investigation? "google it"
here, I knew you won't find it, because your education makes you overqualified to do a simple search online: Friday, October 30, 1998 | return to: international Bizarre death of Scottish tourist involves suicide, missing heart by NETTY C. GROSS, Jerusalem Post Service still a lie? A frustrated brother expressed his disgust with the inconsistencies of his brother's weird demise source Anybody visiting Israel, please make sure you insure your organs first against robbery, especially kidneys.
Was what the result of the investigation? I thought that the Ukrainian newspaper said that it is investigated by the interpol. This source says they hired an Israeli lawyer for a civil suit - one of the sources is lying? and: So i'm not that sad he's gone. But Anyway, Now u're talking. Thanks for finding a trustworthy source outside of the hate sites that pop up when you "google it", and sadly are your main source of information. I guess this event did happen, in one way or another (the jpost way, or the Ukrainian newspaper way, or neither of them). Now you tell us what can we learn from it. p.s. The Swedish reporter interviewed yesterday on Israeli T.V. He said (not exact quote, but this is the spirit of what he said) "This story got all out of hand. In the report, I never said that Israel plunder the organs. All I said, is that the Palestinian family are claiming the organs to be stolen, by somebody, nobody knows who, and that an investigation should be conducted" what a low life! Did you read what the newspaper of the swedish intellectuals think of the tabloid that published the article, "aftonbladet"? http://blogg.sydsvenskan.se/snallposten/2009/08/17/antisemitbladet/ just have a look at the title after funny thing, is that the swedish Blood libel appeared in the "culture" section (Kultur in Swedish) of the aftenbladet journal. I guess this is more or less the kind of culture you read as well.....
you are mixing the Ukrainian case with the Scottish case which again makes me believe you do not read except maybe quickly to find something to either brag about, or to discredit, I heard the Swedish reporter since the beginning, and since the beginning he said he does not know whether it is true or not, but he did so to push for an independent investigation, despite all what he asked for was an investigation, Israel childish response makes the person feel more suspicious, if they have nothing to hide, why would they get so mad, it would make sense if they said for example something like: "this is not true, we welcome independent unbiased organization to investigate" instead they got so mad and accused the reporter, and even Swedish Government of being anti-Semitic just for asking for an investigation? and as I made it clear in my previous posts, there are more cases done to other than Palestinians, that have not been investigated well, and that needs Western Governments pressure on Israel to investigate them, but not by Israel of course because we will know the result in advance, but by an independent organization, that should be given all freedom to meet Palestinians, and get evidences.
You really don't understand ANYTHING about the jews don't you? You are not even remotely capable of understanding how we think and what are our weak points. To help you understand better, please try to understand. For Israel, the terrible article which connects an alleged 1992 bullshit story with the arrests of the jews in new york is actually saying: "make 1+1, see what the jews are capable of". It helps the antisemite reader "make the link" - The jews are capable of anything!. This is the link that the article succeeded to create in your brainwashed mind. It is what is known in history as A blood libel. It is not journalism! what an event which "happened" in 1992 has to do with the culture edition of a Swedish tabloid and "by coincidence" mention also the recent arrests in new york? Everybody who knows the smallest thing about Israel know, that plundering organs is just not Israel. We treat Palestinians who have cancer and other needs in our hospitals for free, we do not steal organs! Let me explain it to you in another way. Maybe u'll understand better. Assume, that an Hungarian tabloid publishes an article titled: "Mohammed was having sex with donkeys" Can you imagine how would the Islamic world would react? For us jews, questioning of our morality and bringing blood libels in the 21th century is even worse than "insult of the prophet" in the eyes of Islam. Now, chaostrivia could make a very stupid post and say: If your understanding of me, my country my heritage and my language was 1% of how I understand how you think and how you were "educated", the middle east would look better. ////////////////////////// and now we get to the most important thing I have to say about this thread ///////////////////////////////// The inferior, racist and violent religious education that you received, and what you perceive from your hate-spreading media, is responsible for what kind of person you are. It is enrouted in your personality. This thread is another example: You never imagined anything about organ stealing until the tabloid article appeared, you didn't even think of it (if you would, I trust you to let us know of this knowledge previously). Then, after the article appeared, you fell in love with the idea, as it "reconfirms" your antisemitic beliefs. I can see your mind thinking: "That's awsome! This must be true, I know everything about the sleasy jews, they taught me all about them in school. I will now show the bastards that its true, piece of cake" Accordingly, you did your best to make it look not as an antisemitic article, like the advanced part of the world as well as the Swedish intellectuals find it, but as something of academic value. Or, what is considered of academic value in the Arab world. You were willing to say anything to defend it and you promoted it yourself. For you, who did not even think about such things previously, one day was enough to believe in it stronger than you believe in the existence of your mother. In your attempt, you went to goole with a mission: "now I need to prove that Israel is a systematic organ stealer". I can imagine the smile of satisfaction on your face when you found another isolated case which appeared in 1998, 6 years later: a scottish drug dealer who returned without a heart (yes or no) - and this allowed you to rest your case: Israel is a systematic stealer of organs - the jews are capable of anything, told you! This is the Arab academy in action.... and from the muslim TV I see, it is usually people like you who are called "scholars" in the muslim world. terrible. People like you Imad, are exactly the kind of people who were manipulated by the blood libels and murdered jews in the pogroms. The tragedy: they lived in the middle ages, you live in the 21th century. And let me tell you this to conclude: Nobody is perfect. Not the US, the UK, Switerland, the Vatican, and yes, CERTAINLY not Israel. Still I prefer to live in a country where maybe some employee of the morgue steals an organ once in a while to finance a nice BMW for himself, than to live in a place like this: I don't have the proficiency in English to express the repulsion I feel when a man who proudly lives in an intolerant and brutal dictatorship, where wife beating is promoted and encouraged on TV, where the crimes reported above are perfectly legal(!), points his finger at me, a resident of the liberal, democratic, innovative and moral, state of Israel, accuses me of "crimes" based on googled Ukrainian articles and preaches to me about morality! Disgusting. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
if Israel is so sure they did not do anything wrong, they will welcome an unbiased, independent investigation, telling someone: you are "bigot" or "anti-Semitic" as a response for such requests, will add to suspicions and not delete it. It is very simple Chaos, the investigation: 1- if proved Israel did not do it, then it can make the newspaper look bad for publishing such fake stories, you know .. lose their credibility, readers ..etc 2- if proved correct it will prove that Israel is guilty and lying. so, I find it very strange for Israel to refuse such a chance to ruin this newspaper reputation, and instead sit and cry like a big child "ohh, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Semitic!!"
Imad, I said everything I had to say, I have nothing more to say to you, not at least until you refer to what I write. Your last post adds another crime on top of anti-semitism: stupidity and incapability to conduct a civilized discussion. In a civilized discussion, you refer to what the other side said. Or you can be a parrot. Anyhow, since I worked hard to write it, I encourage the westerns around on DP to have a look two posts up and comment about it (especially the closing part). thanks
what you said has nothing to do with the topic, it's why I did not reply it, to keep the thread about its topic, if you want to talk about honor killing, and crimes in general in Jordan, feel free to start a thread about it, and invite me to post there in case I did not notice it. So Chaos, why would Israel refuse an investigation? I m sure you have better reasoning than "if somebody said something about the prophet Mohammad" do you really want me to reply something like this? hmm ok.. Israel is not a prophet, and this happened and happening now not thousands of years ago, and it is effecting the lives of innocent people. the Prophet Mohammad had been investigated so many times by historians during history, more can investigate him, nobody can stop them, cos if they been honest, it will be good for us, and if they been dishonest, it will be bad for them, and not effect us see what I mean? I hope you will get it this time. Edit: Oh forgot to thank you for the compliment? but I m not a scholar, I m just a webmaster.
My essay is closely related with the topic. I encourage westerns to read it, I know that imad won't. In my essay I argue that your keen participation is this thread is motivated by your hate to jews, and not by any kind of sense of justice. This is my answer to your demand for investigation. And another answer is brought below. To illustrate: if the thread would be about organ theft by sri lanka government from rebels, you will not work so hard to prove the allegation, of which you were not even aware of 2 days ago, and now you would swear in your mother's name that they are correct. This is what you are. One of the crowd. And I explain it in greater detail in the post you did not read. Now is a good time to read. Especially the closing paragraph. And no, it is not happening now, it allegedly happened in 1992. There is no way that one could possibly investigate 17-year old organ theft. By "demanding an inquiry", you are putting yourself to be the biggest joke around: bodies tend to decompose, I trully hope u've heared of that (although the quran, your supreme authority, doesn't mention it). Hence, what kind of hard evidence could possibly be found at your most optimistic case? It will always remain a case of "he said" vs. "she said"! Or maybe this is what you recommend the investigators to start with? "For the investigation, we must pray for Mohammed (PBUH) to reveal us the truth and show us the right way. We must ask him to log into the god's public database of the souls of the holy palestinian martyrs who are in heaven, locate the soul of the poor Billal, and question the soul if it noticed something strange when it departed from the body and headed to heaven." God!
This is because you have a wrong idea about an investigation being only "taking out an old body from grave and check if all organs are there or not?" of course this is not what is meant by an investigation, this can be a part of it to take out bodies and do some tests on them (I hope you know that by "test" I do not mean count organs) another part of an investigation is talking to the families of the victims, hospitals and medical centers where the victims been before they are delivered to their family missing some organs. another part can be talking to those organs traders that been caught, and ask for their suppliers .. more can be done, this is investigators job you know .. my job is to nag for an independent investigation, if you know Israel did not do it, then you too should nag for one. oh, and please do not use my name to fake posts, see, you lied in your above post by saying "imad said so" when I did not say it, so how do you want others to trust you when you say "anti-Semitic"? couldn't it be just a smokescreen to cover this criminal activity?