The Israeli leaders think Arabs are sub-human - read these quotations

The main thing is understanding and reading the Quran in the context. Most of the people mention one verse of the Quran which they find brutal and against humanity but they don't mention what comes in the next verse or what was said before it.

The most important thing for everyone today is peace. Islam means peace and a muslim is someone who acquires peace by submitting his will to ALLAH. Quran clearly says in Sural Al-Imran

"Come to common terms as between us and you" and that is how we can spread the real peace in this world.

The messages of Quran are not just for muslims. They are for the whole humanity

 

Please go to the pages:

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/juancole.htm

We also see that the command to conquer and subject Jews and Christians was partly financial. Muhammad used force to rob non-Muslim peoples. This was extortion. In his mind this was Allah’s bounty being given to his followers. Muhammad’s way to handle his people’s poverty was to steal from others.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007701.php

Islamic Human Rights are the freedom to do the following as far as I can ascertain:
1. Kill unbelievers
2. Discriminate against unbelievers
3. Take any women of an unbeliever as slave
4. Tax unbelievers
5. Rob unbelievers
6. Destroy unbeliever society by any means possible
7. Take over the world

So if not in the Koran, then atleast in the hadith, Islam does encourage people to rob.



Rgards,
Dilip

 

Dilip,

Your post is biased and you are unaware of the facts of the sacred scriptures Quran, Bible and the Vedas etc

You wrote in the last line "If it is not Quran then bla bla" It is not that my brother. Quran is a complete instruction manual for every single person in this world on how to live their lives peacefully. There are people who misrepresent and forge the original message of Quran and Hadeeth by mentioning one part and ignoring the others which clarifies it all

And for your information, I would request you to go and study vedas and upanishads. You will come to know that MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) has been praised as a prophet who will spread real peace more than 100 times in sacred scriptures of hinduism

I would request you very dearly to talk logically while not being biased

 

buddy, no offence but it seems you have no idea about Veds and upnishad.
These are written way before than Muhammad was even born, and let alone Muhammad but even Islam came to any existence.


Theres no way Muhammad or Islam is even mentioned in Veds or Upnishad.

 

I know that Vedas and Upanishads came before Muhammad (PEACE BE UPON HIM) - When did I say that HE came came before them? If you read the scriptures, you will come to know that every scripture has given predictions of the time to come. That is what I mentioned

It is clearly written in Vedas and Upanishads that a man with an ultimate force will come from the desert area and will spread the real PEACE. I am not a vedandist but I am 100 percent sure it is all written in your books because I have heard this from Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and not from any muslim scholar

Quran is the last scripture of all and it is a complete way of life for everyone. All other scriptures that came before it were meant to be for the people of that time and according to the way of life at that time.

 

Hahahaha! No! Dianetics is the last scripture.

 

Well!!
You are wrong again..

4 Veds and upnishad is not about predictions..
but the seince..
some good study on veds - http://www.aryabhatt.com/vedas/

 

If you are not willing to talk logically, you will never understand. I said predictions, now that doesn't mean everything is predicted.

As per Science, Quran is the only relegion that is most compatible with the logics and theories of Science today whether it is biology, physics or whatever.

You will never agree with me but I will keep on trying. In the meantime, I would request you to hear records of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Dr. William Cambpell. They are the leaders in thier respective relegions and have written books on comparative religions.

I am not forcing you to accept what I am saying but there are people who have extensive knowledge and research on these subjects and who have given their lives.

We should respect each other and each other's religion and that is how we can all spread the real Peace

 

Yeah, you need to start within the Muslim nations though. If you practice what you preach, you will make sure other religions have equal rights within your own backyard, and not just the other countries. Otherwise those are just words, and hypocratic ones at that.

 

I can guarantee you that muslims practise everything that Quran and the Prophet has taught. Not all of them though. But it is our duty as muslims to spread the word of Peace and the message of Allah and that is what I am doing

If you agree to my points, that's great - Subhan Allah
If not, I or someone else will keep on trying

Chao

 

OK< that sounds good. But what about what the Quaran really says about conquering the world by the sword? Fighting Jews and Christians?

 

No, It's not that - It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8):
"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"

9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."

10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error"
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

11. Sword of the Intellect.

It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:
"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious."
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.

Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born".

 

Islamic propaganda is becoming slicker.

I only wish that the reality was more in line with the propaganda.

It's difficult to take someone seriously when they scream "We're the religion of peace" when they have high explosives and ball bearings strapped to their chest.

 

Thanks, I'll pass. This is your religion and it's your people who are given this book to use as an instruction manual. Don't force it upon others!

 

I only wish the democatic West would keep its ideologies to itself, instead of try to spread its propaganda and agenda across the rest of the world.

The US is the worst at it. Denying people their human rights (Guantanamo Bay, Afro-American people throughout the ages, etc.), killing people indiscriminately (cluster bombs during the Gulf War and the war on terror, the atomic bomb during WWII), the corrupt election of a leader (Bush Jnr's reign of terror), and the quest for other people's natural resources (Gulf War, Gulf War part II, Iran-Iraq war, Afghanistan).

Worst of all, its sleazy politics has no real democracy:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1099030

It is all an illusion of choice whilst greedy, self-centred liars, sorry, politicians decide what is best for themselves. Doing it under the banner of a war on terror or democracy is a load of old crap.

It is difficult to believe the West when it preaches democracy but doesn't practice it.

 

btw just because you name something "peace", doesn't mean that it is what it says. Had Hitler named "Mein Kampf" "Love", would it make a difference. Sure, he loved Germans ... and Muslims are called to love other Muslims. How about all the other religions and those who don't believe in anything. Do Muslims love those? Or rather wait for them to become Muslims, and then show love.

 

There is no misunderstanding the context:

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. 5:51

So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 9:5

Verily I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks and smite over all their fingers and toes. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, them verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. This is (the torment), so taste it; and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire 8:12-14

Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued 9:29

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers) 2:193

I could go on, but I think "the context" is quite clear and established.

Islam means submit (submission). It does not mean peace. There is no peace in islam for those who do not believe.

Incorrect. They are for muslims. Christians, Jews, Hindus and other religions will not go around slaying themselves in the cause of allah.

These are post 9/11 times. Kitman is no longer an effective means of covering up islam.

 

adpd, your propaganda is not nearly as slick as HaXan's.

Keep working at it, you've got a long way to go!

 

Will, it is not propaganda that I am spouting.

It may be propaganda from the Economist, but not mine.

I am merely pointing out the information (be it fact or fiction) from such a well respected publication

 

WTF
this is that azam guy.
i swear he is a total tosser and hes trying to cause a flame war.