I think that this is the key to the debate over abortion. Some people think you are human at the moment of conception (a genetically new creature has been made), some in the first few months (brain/ other parts develop) and some think you become human once you have left your mother's body. What do you guys think and why?
Definitely not a few cells. I would say an embryo is only human when it's born. You need a birth to be human in my opinion.
I don't think that childbirth has radically changed the child at all. As medicine moves forward we are able to help premature babies survive longer and longer outside of the mother's womb. Someday a baby may never even need to be placed inside a woman's belly to develop and survive. What then?
once conceived, the human being is in process, I know some of the hardcore pro choice people don't want to hear that though.
For me humanity comes from lots of different things, consciousness, intelligence, memory, feelings and experiences.
I don't know why all of these threads about abortion are still popping up. All of us are never going to agree, so let's all be friends and forget about it. Some people believe life begins at conception; others believe it begins at birth. Let's agree to disagree and move on, eh?
Scenarios: a: So when is your baby due? b: So when is your fetus due? c: So when are your cells due? a: It's due in November! We are so excited, we're having a girl! b: Our fetus is due in November! We are so excited, our fetus has a penis! c: Our cells are due in November! We are so excited, our cells have vagina! a: Nurse, we have complications. We're going to have to deliver the baby via c-section. b: Nurse, we have complications. We're going to have to deliver the fetus via c-section. c: Nurse, we have complications. We're going to have to deliver the cells via c-section. Three scenarios. Setting aside obvious prejudices, which seem most reasonable and accurate?
Yes, you talk about your baby being due, because when it arrives it's a baby. Before that time it's a foetus. Your arguement kind of disproves your own views that a foetus is a baby. If it is you wouldn't have to ask when it's due as it already exists. Scenario Q - When's your baby due? A - It's already here, it's two months old Q - So where is it? A - In my womb Q - Are you some kind of weido?
It is a baby before it arrives. I presume that's why the questions I presented couldn't effectively be answered. The absence of a heartbeat is death. The prescense of a heartbeat is life. A baby's first heartbeat happens at five weeks in the womb. I can't imagine anyone thinking a baby suddenly has a heartbeat at birth, and not before, unless they were seriously uninformed. I'm not seeing anything I've said that disproves what I've said. Saying such doesn't make it so. Perhaps another unintentional misleading observation?
Nope, just taking pleasure in pointing out obvious errors to you You seem to be lind to those however.
Fetus is latin for young one. Fetus is a pro-life word, and clearly indicates that the unborn is viewed as a person by those understanding and using that word. If someone says, "how is your fetus doing." It simply means, "how is your young one doing. the very same as if you asked "how is your baby/infant/child doing" I am pro-life. However, I don't think that all pro-choice people think that life does not begin at conception. Senator Kerry, for example, believes life begins at conception; thinks abortion is killing; but is pro-choice. Some people do not think it is wrong to kill others.
i think u legally qualify to be human as soon as your born because then your a citizen. When your in the womb, your not a citizen and nobody can yet claim u as a dependent
If I'm not baptized, it's okay to kill me? I have to be religious to be human? The government decides who's human and who's not? That is a terrible path to follow down... remember the nazis/stalin/chairman mao. Also, has anybody else noticed that the poll in this thread is 50-50 between conception and birth, whereas the poll in the abortion thread is about 2:1 for abortion? Is there a lot of people that think life begins at conception but still think its okay to kill??!?!?
I'm talking about innocent human life: a person who has never even had the opportunity to violate someone else's rights. Should we be able to kill this person? If so, then we should spare no one. You are implicitly approving of genocide.
If they are proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Obviously, some innocent people have been killed too by accident, but this is the best humanity can do at this time to help suppress crime. The death penalty has flaws, but has pretty good logic and intentions to back it up. Murdering fetuses though where you know the person in question has never committed a crime is a different issue in my mind.
Bingo! Perfect, logical sense. I honestly cannot see the "liberal logic" that says "keep the murderers, pedophiles and rapists alive and murder innocent babies." I guess I'm fortunate not to be inflicted with a mental disorder. I'd much rather get rid of, in most expeditious manner, the murderers, pedophiles and rapists and make room for the innocent babies to make the world a better place. But you know the liberal mind...punish the innocent, reward the guilty.