Proferssional and cheap appraisal

[tomecki]

Hello,

Somebody needs a professional appraisal for a certain domain I own. He writes:

"
I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure. Without professional appraisal it's impossible to set a right price."

Where can I get it a professional appraisal under 20$?

[mream]

How does he know it's "priced in your range" if he doesn't know what it's worth? That whole message just seems weird. I don't know of a way to "appraise" a domain name. I would guess it's just worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

[neterslandreau]

Yeah, $7.95/year..

[tomecki]

I have found something about this person:

http://www.sedo.com/forum/?task=showthread&thread=1143&tmp=&language=us&partnerid=14236&tracked=1

for example:

Extremely persistent on obtaining a “reputable appraisal” from AllForDomains.com, not from anyone else. Sent me a link to a forum (his own?) that he “bought this domain and that domain and that AllForDomains is the best...”

Beware, AllForDomains.com has an extremely poor reputation throughout dnforum.com. Do a search.

i.e. http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=13896&highlight=allfordomains

[Tuning]

Yeah. Me too got this email. i thik this guy is trying to advertise his sites by these emails.

[tomecki]

I think that more people should know about this form of sale. He tried cheat me in a very sneaky way. He gave me a links to the forums like this:


"Earlier I had a bad experience with www.Afternic.com. I also found the
following information about Afternic in the forum
http://forum.icann.org/nsi2001/3AC75D7900000305.html"

and

"
I never heard about Sell-My.com and their appraisal is not acceptable. I
don't trust companies with "-" in their domains. It means they cannot afford
to buy a good name. I will only accept appraisals from companies I trust.

I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/13477.htm

They recommended FastDomainSales.com. I did not hear about them before but
looks like they provide an accurate service."

and
"
Please note that we don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

I asked about reputable appraisal companies in a well-known webmaster forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/13477.htm
Juck check this posting. My nickname there is Bergman.

After we verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations."

[fryman]

That is a total scam. Stay away from that crook.

[tomecki]

I didn't know to that moment about scam...

[clasione]

I've seen him around too.....

He tryes to get you to buy an appraisel from HIS appraisel service....

scummy way to sell his service.....

[Zinho]

I received the same email address.
Let's play with him...he chose the wrong person to cheat...

[MattUK]

I've had emails from that guy before when selling domain names. I just told him to get it done himself, if someone buys a house or a car it's down to the buyer to get it checked out, not the seller!

[Zinho]

well....as I sent him his detailed name, surname, address and more...he never mailed me back...I think he got a bit frightened...

[Blogmaster]

this reminds me to renew my membership on dnforums.com

[tomecki]

The main plus for forums are that you are informed what is going on everywere or anywere :)

[Monsieur]

this reminds me to renew my membership on dnforums.com

Why not get a lifetime membership? It's well worth it.

The email is completely scam as some already posted.
He's trying different approaches from time to time, so whenever you'll receive an email similar to the posted one stay away from it.

There's not one single domain buyer who would ask you to use an appraisal service, because the domain might get appraised higher than what you would've asked.

[Blogmaster]

believe me, I Know, I have started my career on Afternic.com ... a domain is worth what the highest bidder is willing to pay for having it, buttom line!

[www.AmCy.org]

This is a common scam that I've read about in a few forums. The word is out and hopefully the idiot(s) sending these emails will quit. Such a waste of time.

AmCy

[Monsieur]

This is a common scam that I've read about in a few forums. The word is out and hopefully the idiot(s) sending these emails will quit. Such a waste of time.

AmCy

I don't really think it's such a waste of time.
He's probably getting some n00bs to use his service with every mail he sends.

Still it's just a fucking rip-off so he should be stopped somehow...

[tomecki]

I don't really think it's such a waste of time.
He's probably getting some n00bs to use his service with every mail he sends.

Still it's just a fucking rip-off so he should be stopped somehow...


I think so, too. He is cheating everybody who doesn't know how to deal with selling domains. Especially potential "clients" to him are new to selling domains. I think he makes a lot of $$$. If he will be known as a cheater he will change domains his name and start it from beginning.
I think that there should be an internet policy or sth.

[www.AmCy.org]

I don't really think it's such a waste of time.


Well, I didn't mean a waste of his time, I meant a waste of our time.

Hey, we were all n00bs once. A n00b may pay for an appraisal, then realize afterwards that the whole deal was a scam and, feeling cheated, may feel like doing the same thing to some other green domainer in order to "get back at the world." You know how these things go. Just trying to protect the innocent and break the cycle, if any.

AmCy

[Monsieur]

Well, I didn't mean a waste of his time, I meant a waste of our time.

Sorry, misunderstood that.

I guess it's good that the thread was started, because maybe it helped some people realize that it was scam what they received...

[AdrenalineX]

Having never sold a domain name before, I almost fell for it:

"Hi,
I'm writing regarding your domain I saw listed for sale.
Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?
Please email me your asking price.
If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential.
I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income.

Kindest regards,
Travis Berger

CEO

InTech Consulting

Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software."


And then:

"1,500 USD. Ok.
Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.
Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply."

Amazingly, the 'thread' here is awfully similar: http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11075.htm


Just glad I searched before falling into this one.

[tomecki]

Having never sold a domain name before, I almost fell for it:

"Hi,
I'm writing regarding your domain I saw listed for sale.
Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?
Please email me your asking price.
If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential.
I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income.

Kindest regards,
Travis Berger

CEO

InTech Consulting

Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software."


And then:

"1,500 USD. Ok.
Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.
Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply."

Amazingly, the 'thread' here is awfully similar: http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11075.htm


Just glad I searched before falling into this one.

I have got identical emails. It is the same person I have talked about at starting the thread. Beware of him.

[longhand]

Hello peoples!

I can confirm it's cheating, today i've got mails for my ( lostparcel.com ) domain with totally same contents.

My final answer for the "sender" was the following:
""You ask for serious money and I need a proof."

1. Best proof is your sense that you've found this name.
"Domain appraising" is the biggest cheating on the world which i've ever heard on my life.
Imagine it: domain business is very big-big business nowdays and there are some big sellers who haves registered 5.000-20.000 names personally. Enough for these "appraisal companies" if these peoples with big databesaes gives finally 5% of the sold domains amounts for their good appraisals.

2. Esentially if i'm an owner of a domain name and request an appraising from a company they will give me never verification about a low value, because i didn't give job them more.


3. (url of this thread where i send post now)

Longhand"

ps.: Sorry for my poor english

[Blogmaster]

here is my opinion about domain appraisals. Honest opinions from members here = priceless.

Afternic, whatever ... all those are worthless when it comes to appraisals.

[jlawrence]

ST, I agree. I'd rather take the opinion of people in here rather than so called appraisal companies.

[laclergue]

heres one i got from him just the other day ...




From: "Timothy Belliveau" <belliveau@skallebank.com> View Contact Details
To: "me" <me@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tbills.us (sent 06/16/05)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:59:37 +0200


5,000 USD. Ok.

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.

Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So I cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.


Sedo is acceptable as a broker but not as an appraiser because your names
are listed with them and they are not independent. They are interested in
ovepricing in order to get a fat commission. I need appraisals from a
company which is not interested in selling your domains.


To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://www.domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/23076.htm

Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.




last year he tried the same thing on me with my americanspaceprogram website ... under a different name .... i cant believe he just thinks i'd forget his writing style a year later ... but i'll tell you the one thing i found in common ... the first scam attempt happened when i joined afternic , about a year ago, and the next just a couple days ago, when i left afternic (because of the dues increase), and put all my stuff on sedo ... so ... go figure. i mean , i'm not trying to slander afternic, cuz who knows, this could just be some guy out to make afternic look bad for all i know. anyways, i wish i knew what this guys real name was. this is the ip addy i got off the yahoo header

X-Originating-IP: [81.27.32.117]
Return-Path: <belliveau@skallebank.com>
Authentication-Results: mta303.mail.scd.yahoo.com from=skallebank.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 81.27.32.117 (HELO mx.webhuset.no) (81.27.32.117) by mta303.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:59:40 -0700
Received: (qmail 12719 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2005 20:59:37 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (81.27.34.15) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2005 20:59:37 -0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: "Timothy Belliveau" <belliveau@skallebank.com>


but anyways i think youre retarded if you cant tell what a names worth, just by looking at it

[tomecki]

I think that he wont stop sending scam. There are a lot of people trying to sell theirs domains.
How many "clients" does he has? I think 5-10 in one month. And you?

[cstamets]

Just to let everyone know... this guy is still out there. Got an e-mail from him today, worded just like all the others posted.

Luckily, I'm too cheap to pay for anything, so I wasn't going to go through with it, but I did get curious and decided to search.

[NubKnacker]

Recieved the following a few days back :

5,000 USD. Ok.

Do you sell a web site or just the name? We are mostly interested in domain
names.

Do you have an appraisal certificate?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your
name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit
in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market
value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals.
I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I know and trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies
in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/74052.htm

Juck check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.


Same guy i guess, he hasn't replied to my emails to show some proof of his identity yet. Lucky I found this thread but then again, i'm too cheap to go for a $200/hour appraisal service anyway.

[nicnacs30]

Wow, I am definitely a domain newbie, but SO glad I read this thread today! The same scam came my way this AM...not that I would pay for someone else's "trusted" appraisal company...

Opera Solutions to me
12:20 pm(31 minutes ago)

11,540 USD. Ok.

Do you sell a web site or just the name? We are mostly interested in domain names.

Do you have an appraisal certificate?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I know and trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/75039.htm

Juck check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


I've noticed different names here...so just in case another newbie checks this out...the name he gave me was:
Takashi Nakagami, Ph. D.
President
Opera Systems Ltd.

Funny how the 1st email said Opera Systems, Ltd...then the 2nd I get 3 minutes after I sent mine was from Opera Solutions...hmmmmmm....

[sam79]

I know this thread hasn't been active in a while but just to follow up : this guy is still out there, I received this today :

Hello,

What is the price you can accept for your domain?

Our company develops software in Oracle and Interbaser. We work as contractors.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email
us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Richard Norton
CEO
Tulling Consulting
___________

And, following my reply :

___________

How about 5,000 USD?

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so
web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your
name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit
in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market
value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals.
I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid
mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a
forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/296814.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

______


So noobs like me out there beware, this crook is still active.

[danfirst]

Woah, thank God I searched on DP first!
Received this just coupla hours ago:


5,000 USD. Ok.

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/296814.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


Even after several years? This guy must be doing good cheating alot of newbies like me.

[webz]

yeah those threads make you aware. Otherwise its easy to buy a worthless appraisal. I never trust in appraisals anyway.

[cmvferreira]

Hi,

I received this email just a couple of days ago:

"Hello,

We are interested in systemkeywords.com

After visiting several domain auctions I've found several good names
including your . What is your price?

Buying and selling domains is not a main direction of our business.
But since domain market is very hot now, buying and selling domain
names is a good income opportunity. We have a large database of
clients who are interested in Inernet projects.

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals.

Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too.

But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this posting from archive:
http://domaintalk.007sites.com/Archive/290147.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jorge Piderman
Vice President
PHR Consulting"

"They" are still out there!...

Regards

cmvferreira