MSN catching up to Big G

[kepa]

Each day, google is slipping to msn

Google 336 domestic referrals so far today
Google Int'l 60 (turkery, uk, china, australia, peru etc.)
AOL (I suppose can be counted towards Google?): 120
totalling 526 referrals today

beta.search.msn.com 144
search.msn.com 116
totalling 260 referrals so far today

Yahoo only 118

Is msn catching up to google for anyone else?

(I need to qualify the above stats by saying that my rank for all my main keywords are nearly identical on both Google and MSN, so for all intensive purposes, they are equal in that respect).

[david_sakh]

msn has been finalized and there's press around it. I'm sure it has drawn some extra attention, to say the least.

[ResaleBroker]

Is msn catching up to google for anyone else?I am getting more and more from MSN every day. :)

[DarrenC]

My rankings in MSN are superb, just don't bring in the amount of traffic I would like, but it's certainly improved, and at last we have some sort of competition in the search engine world..

Now if Yahoo could only get their act together.

[thebassman]

I'm getting more than double traffic from MSN over Google now... but being in the top couple for a term like photography is helping a lot.

[debunked]

today: Google 49%, Yahoo 35% and MSN 16%
last month: 53% 26% and 16% and the others 5%
Last year: 46% 27% 23%

So overall traffic seems to be dropping from MSN, but ranking is way better on the KWP we watch. It may be those obscure phrases that use to bring more traffic from MSN.

I am very hopeful for the new MSN ranking though, I will be watching this ratio more carefully now.

[bigslowrock]

Evidently, MS is going to be advertising the search engine during the super bowl. I'm sure that will help thier traffic out a bit

[nevetS]

and ours... omg... I have to get good msn rankings by sunday {panic} :)

[ferret77]

umm getting more referals from MSN just means your rankings are better in MSN

I have 2 sites that both rank nubmer 1 one in google , and one in yahoo and MSN

so far the yahoo/msn has sent more referals for the term

[Las Vegas Homes]

I am sure that everyone at the googleplex is also running around like a chicken with their head cut off with the release of MSN and the articles that have been released about its advertising campain. As it has been stated by several people, Googles days are numbered and Google knows it. Unless Google does something to change their serps and make them more relevant, the fat lady is warming up her voice.

I am no expert but I see better programing in the MSN SE. You dont see a lot of known cloakers and spammers in MSN that always rank well in Google. I think everyone who is siding with Google is under estimating MSN for the capable technology they have for their search system. Looking at this possible new update from google, it looks like to me they are about to dig themselves into a deeper hole, but we will see. Either way MSN is headed for the top and IMHO there is nothing Google can do about it, stats dont lie.

Our real estate sites have a 3 to 1 ratio over Google between MSN and Yahoo. I am seeing even a larger increase since the release of MSN. I believe after the start of the ad campain on Feb 7th we may see even a greater increase in our real estate business. If the ad campain drives more users to MSN and these users get the information they are looking for Google is toast.

[dfsweb]

I am not too sure whether to be happy or not, to see MSN's growth. I rank well on MSN but not on Google (actually nowhere on Google) as it's still a pretty new site.

Now, if MSN is to take over a big chunk of the market share that would be good for me 'cos I rank better on MSN and would mean more traffic. BUT, if Google keep slipping we might start losing Adsense revenue if advertisers stop advertising with Google.

I suppose getting traffic's more important in the long run, 'cos you can always switch to other affiliate programes, even if Google folds up.

[nevetS]

What the world needs is for Gigablast and other SE's to step it up. With google being a public company now, their focus will turn more towards revenue generation and while we don't see it now, we will begin to notice when they start nickel and diming things to make stockholders happy. The only thing that will keep them in check is competition.

[CanadianEh]

Didn't Google just announce earnings of a Billion in their last quarter, much better than last year. Adwords are quite a sweet revenue source.

MSN doesn't seem to have a sandbox which is much better for newer sites.

[CanadianEh]

I am not too sure whether to be happy or not, to see MSN's growth. I rank well on MSN but not on Google (actually nowhere on Google) as it's still a pretty new site.

Now, if MSN is to take over a big chunk of the market share that would be good for me 'cos I rank better on MSN and would mean more traffic. BUT, if Google keep slipping we might start losing Adsense revenue if advertisers stop advertising with Google.
No problem. You can easily advertise with Overture or with MSN when they take over their own advertising (I be they will).

[gchaney]

[QUOTE=dfsweb]
Now, if MSN is to take over a big chunk of the market share that would be good for me 'cos I rank better on MSN and would mean more traffic. BUT, if Google keep slipping we might start losing Adsense revenue if advertisers stop advertising with Google.
QUOTE]

Don't know about you, but my traffic and page views have trippled (thanks to MSN and Yahoo top rankings), ctr stayed the same, but my adsense from google has been "reduced" almost 30 to 45% depending on comparable day for CPM. Hmmmm...the explanation I got was they are using a "conversion factor" for CTR now. Since when does a percentage of visitors have to convert to a sale/application to pay more? If I wanted that, i would freakin go affiliate marketing and lending tree.

So, basically, I am making the same money on triple the traffic and page views from highly targeted traffic. Granted, it's good money, but it should be a hell of a lot more.

Granted, could be cheap skates in the rotation. If someone knows how to identify the Cheap Skates showing up, definitely could use your help so I can block these SOB's killing my site revenue.

Personally, I think G is cheating on the Pie with partner sites and why the revs are so damn high... so I just applied with overture yesterday because of it and want to test this. Also sent an e-mail to MSN....begging for a beta and volunteering...lol

Hope I get approved with Overture....lol.

[john_loch]

Good rankings in MSN doesn't mean persistent rankings. Nor do I feel results are particularly relevant in MSN. It takes no where near the effort to rank a site well in MSN as it does in G, though that's not really a measure of relevance either - yet. Once ppl start abusing the ease with which you can rank, MSN will fall under the weight of it's own irrellevance.

That said, I'm enjoying the honey :)

Cheers,

JL

[dfsweb]

Good rankings in MSN doesn't mean persistent rankings. Nor do I feel results are particularly relevant in MSN. It takes no where near the effort to rank a site well in MSN as it does in G, though that's not really a measure of relevance either - yet. Once ppl start abusing the ease with which you can rank, MSN will fall under the weight of it's own irrellevance.

That said, I'm enjoying the honey :)

Cheers,

JL

Well ..... I wouldn't completely agree with that. I do agree that it's simpler to get good rankings on MSN. But, that doesn't make the results irrelevant. It's just that MSN isn't biased towards the biggers sites like Google is. Once you get a high PR, you can rank well for just about anything on Google, even if it has nothing to do with your website. Don't you think that makes the SERPs irrelevant?? :)

[clasione]

I've got some rediculous rankings in MSN and their becoming a bigtime referrer for me......Hearing lots of press and seeing lots of television ads for them also here in the US...

MSNbot seems to be nesting out on my server.... :eek:

[luisfernandez]

Each day, google is slipping to msn

Google 336 domestic referrals so far today
Google Int'l 60 (turkery, uk, china, australia, peru etc.)
AOL (I suppose can be counted towards Google?): 120
totalling 526 referrals today

beta.search.msn.com 144
search.msn.com 116
totalling 260 referrals so far today

Yahoo only 118

Is msn catching up to google for anyone else?

(I need to qualify the above stats by saying that my rank for all my main keywords are nearly identical on both Google and MSN, so for all intensive purposes, they are equal in that respect).

For me, Google still counts at least twice as much as MSN.

[Las Vegas Homes]

Good rankings in MSN doesn't mean persistent rankings. Nor do I feel results are particularly relevant in MSN. It takes no where near the effort to rank a site well in MSN as it does in G, though that's not really a measure of relevance either - yet. Once ppl start abusing the ease with which you can rank, MSN will fall under the weight of it's own irrellevance.

That said, I'm enjoying the honey :)

Cheers,

JL

I know that within the real estate industry the results in MSN are A LOT more relevant than they are in Google. I have found in google in a few cities plus real estate, everything from online drug companies, to sites with nothing but links to all types of products, but because they are aged and have links and title tags related to real estate they rank for those cities. This includes buying cars online to insurance.

Google has shot themselves in the foot trying to outsmart the webmasters. They also are doing this because anything real estate is a big money word for google to try and drive more and more Realtors to adwords. I am personally looking forward to watching google, their IPO and the search engine fall flat on its face, because of nothing more than greed.

[THonscha]

The site and link command works much better than in google

[dfsweb]

The site and link command works much better than in google

site: - Might work better than the others 'cos Google does a better job at deep crawls imo.

link: - I don't think so! Google only update their BLs once in a few weeks. Go to MSN, Alltheweb etc. Your BLs will change everyday (if they are changing, that is).

[Design Agent]

I think there will be space for all MSN, Yahoo + G all to fight for search, local revenue will fund all 3 and they will all be around for a while yet. My results in MSN are very different between .com and .co.uk. New sites are ranking instantly well (top of 2 million with very few BLs). Obviously this makes keeping track + promoting globally a much more difficult task.

By the way, how does everyone here track their MSN keywords ?

[ferret77]

before the sandbox google was easy to optimize as MSN is right now

and it was that easy for years

[kepa]

...we will begin to notice when they start nickel and diming things to make stockholders happy. The only thing that will keep them in check is competition.

Also, in my opinion, the no follow attribute is just another ruse to get people to move to adwords/adsense ($$$). Here's why...it is only a matter of time (maybe a long time at that) before everyone will feel the need to use the attribute. Human nature is that of horde/greed -- no one will want to give it up. It only takes a few sites to be stingy with the vote for it to propogate through the internet and what will be left with is a few generous souls here and there passing wealth. So what will relevence be based on then? I mean, why should I pass along any votes/pr when I'm realizing that I'm not getting any? The bulk of relevence will be determined by purchased advertising -- i.e., adwords. or something similar where you would have to pay someone to not use them when linking or placing an ad to your site.

I think, google opened a can of worms by basing relevence and pr on incoming links and now they have to jerry-rig something after the fact to keep the spammers and black hats at bay.

Again, just my opinion.