Google cache

phrozen_ra

Jan 14th 2005, 12:12 pm

Hi,

The site in my link used to be cached by G once a day last year. Since '05 my PR increased to 3 and now it has not been cached since 28th Dec.

Is there a way to make G cache your site when you want?

I have been building IBLs like crazy lately, adding new content, but no change

I want some advices if any

Thanks

Crazy_Rob

Jan 14th 2005, 1:00 pm

Maybe your server is configured wrong and isn't updateing your last modified headers.

phrozen_ra

Jan 14th 2005, 1:18 pm

Maybe your server is configured wrong and isn't updateing your last modified headers.

I doubt there is something wrong with my site/server. My guess is it's just a glitch in Google

Crazy_Rob

Jan 14th 2005, 1:19 pm

That type of glitch is common.

ResaleBroker

Jan 14th 2005, 1:21 pm

Here is a related thread (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=7469).

phrozen_ra

Jan 14th 2005, 2:04 pm

Thanks for the link... already read it.... I wanted to know some advices in order to rush up the things a lill bit

Estrange

Jan 15th 2005, 5:14 am

I can tell you one of my observation; About 3 months ago I started to optimize a company website which has not been optimized since it's online 2001. SEs were hardly showing a couple pages of that site and the site was not showing at SERPS what so ever.
I updated all site and add new pages and everyday I updated these pages, especially index page. guess what; Gbot visits everyday and does "Deep crawl" for whole site. I can't get rid of it!, it is taking all my bandwith everyday! lol ;) even I stoped updating. Well IMO Gbot visits are depending how regularly you update your site...

spdude

Jan 15th 2005, 11:08 pm

Well IMO Gbot visits are depending how regularly you update your site...

I can agree with that. If you have a PR6 home page or higher, then the bot will normally visit daily, even if you only update once every two weeks or so.

Otherwise the only way to call it back sooner, rather than later is to make frequent daily updates. It does have some affect IMO also.

phrozen_ra

Jan 16th 2005, 2:08 am

phrozen_ra

Jan 19th 2005, 2:04 am

I have a reply from G....

Thank you for your note. As you may know, our search results change regularly as we update our index. Normal changes you observe may include, but are not limited to, addition of new sites, changes in the ranking of existing sites, sites falling out of the index or getting dropped for particular keywords, and fluctuation between old and new webpage content.

We realize these changes can be confusing. However, these processes are completely automated and not indicative of wrong-doing or penalization of individual sites. We currently include over eight billion pages in our index, and it is certainly our intent to represent the content of the internet fairly and accurately.

While we cannot guarantee that any page will consistently appear in our index or appear with a particular rank, we do offer guidelines for maintaining a 'crawler-friendly' site. You can find these guidelines at http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html. Following these recommendations may increase the likelihood that your site will show up consistently in the Google search results.

Regards,
The Google Team

T0PS3O

Jan 19th 2005, 2:14 am

At least a dozen fellow DPers could have posted that identical reply for you... It's a bog standard one, almost an auto-reply.

phrozen_ra

Jan 19th 2005, 3:33 am

At least a dozen fellow DPers could have posted that identical reply for you... It's a bog standard one, almost an auto-reply.

with a delay to reply of almost 2 days.... grrr..

pinkpanther

Jan 19th 2005, 6:41 pm

Greetings everyone, new on board here.

I have recently done a site for a client. Have been updating the site pretty frequently for the past few weeks. But it seems to me Google still havent indexed the site properly. The only way for it to come up in search results was to type in the whole website name. Aside from frequent updates, is there any other trick to get the site indexed? Or is a month just way too soon? My client refuses to pay me because he cannot google his site... :(

Mia

Jan 19th 2005, 8:04 pm

Have you looked at other search engines besides Google? I think Google only indexes bi-monthly, or monthly, ie, updates their index anyway... Others do it with greater frequency. Anyway, what is the site?

uca

Jan 19th 2005, 8:15 pm

Any chance you can get a link, at least temporarily, from a PR>5 page, maybe it'll fix it.
If it doesn't, the problem might be within your site/page/domain/server

pinkpanther

Jan 19th 2005, 10:28 pm

Thanks so much for the replies.

The web site is : http://www.v a c a t i o n i n k a u a i.net.

Yes I understand getting incoming links will help, but thats kinda hard to accomplish, since when i used my keywords to search only competitor sites came up in the top 5.... :confused: My keywords are "kauai vacation rental".

And yes I have tried other search engines. In fact I just tried again in yahoo/msn..., they are showing up better now than the last time i tried. So i guess my only concern now is google, which is what my client specifically wants the website to be shown.

You pros out there please check my site and see if anything I can improve to make it more se friendly... Thanks again!!

Mia

Jan 19th 2005, 10:44 pm

As far as I can see Google has you indexed.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=site%3Awww.vacationinkauai.net+inurl%3Awww.vacationinkauai.net

As for your link popularity I see you in Hotbot with one link, and that is about it.

As for your kw, "kauai vacation rental" I do not find that coming up with any search engine, much less google..

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 8:53 am

I guess what I meant was G is not doing any deep crawling into the site. Seems like the other existing pages are not in its index. The Title and Description both do not show, and yes, doing a keyword search will not find the site. It is just frustrating... Did I miss something? For now I just want the site to come up in search results, will try and improve the page rank later.

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 8:56 am

Is there a way to write my message in html format?

T0PS3O

Jan 20th 2005, 9:04 am

Use VB's own code.

And for your site, one month is short notice for good rankings. Especially with the Sand Box out there.

Get more links and wait. Also make sure your client understands you can't influence G's indexing so he better cough up the money.

Mia

Jan 20th 2005, 10:24 am

If you are interested in letting me conduct an experiment for my soon to be released SEO Promo Service, let me know. I have a system in place currently that allows me to get promotion/links/traffic, and search engine rankings in a short amount of time, quickly and inexpensively.

If you are interested, let me know and I will go into detail a bit more. I know some have PM'd me about this before, and I have yet to respond. We are getting closer, be patient, I will respond :)

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 10:56 am

Use VB's own code.

Sorry but what does that mean?

And for your site, one month is short notice for good rankings. Especially with the Sand Box out there.

Get more links and wait. Also make sure your client understands you can't influence G's indexing so he better cough up the money.

And thats why I am doing these researches just so then I know what to explain to him. Like this board, lots of info, thanks guys!!

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 10:58 am

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 12:02 pm

.... Especially with the Sand Box out there. ..

What is a sand box and what does it have to do with search engine?

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 3:33 pm

Pink Panther

okay now i know what you meant by use vbcode. I dont see any option for html, does it mean html is not allowed?

DarrenC

Jan 20th 2005, 6:13 pm

Vacation rental is a very difficult KW term to get first page rankings for - you tend to find that large sites, like VRBO.com are the ones that rank high. It's vitally important to get a ton of good themed linked using the keyword term.

Also look at your content and have internal BL's using this KW term. You've a battle on your hands, even with Kauai as the additional KW.

p.s. this is from experience - I tried to optimise for 'vacation rentals' managed to get to #40 but have since concentrated on other KW terms.

pinkpanther

Jan 20th 2005, 9:27 pm

Vacation rental is a very difficult KW term to get first page rankings for - you tend to find that large sites, like VRBO.com are the ones that rank high.

I cant agree more, its a very competitive industry. I actually did a research on keywords and found that "kauai vacation rentals" is the most popular keywords used.

It's vitally important to get a ton of good themed linked using the keyword term.
Can you explain a little more? plzzzzz....

Also look at your content and have internal BL's using this KW term.
And more on this too.... sorry not sure what BL is, backlink? But I still dont get it.... :( Must be the big dinner, cant think after too much starch. :D

DarrenC

Jan 20th 2005, 10:13 pm

Originally Posted by wwhhomes
It's vitally important to get a ton of good themed linked using the keyword term.

>> what I mean is look for good links, not necessary high PageRank links, that are the same subject as the website, i.e. other vacation rental sites, travel sites, vacation sites etc. To compete for first page your going to need loads of links, and good optimisation on your site, i.e. using the keywords within your content.

Originally Posted by wwhhomes
Also look at your content and have internal BL's using this KW term.

>> Look at the text on your page (the content) use the keyword Kauai vacation rental in your text on the page. If your optimising your homepage for this keyword term then link to your homepage from your other pages using this keyword term.

Have I explained it better?

Darren :)

pinkpanther

Jan 21st 2005, 11:34 am

Yes and thanks for the explanation.

Now I am a little curious, let me add SEO is something totally new to me. I actually am a pretty experienced web developer but I mainly work on intranet. I never had to worry about whether or not my intranet pages show up in search engines. So my question for you and others is, isnt SEO a different area than web development, it is marketing? no? I do understand now that, I as a web developer, when developing commercial web site, should design my web pages to be SE friendly. But to work on having someone else's sites link to my client's site, is it my job too?

phrozen_ra

Jan 21st 2005, 3:51 pm

how about you all go and open a new thread ...? can you all go take a look at the first topic? and the sencond and the third?

thank you

Solicitors Mortgages

Jan 21st 2005, 5:55 pm

how about you all go and open a new thread ...? can you all go take a look at the first topic? and the sencond and the third?

thank you

I cant think of a better place to chat about someones site...
unless he opened a thread in general chat...
in which case it would probably get moved into here. :rolleyes:
G-E-M

quote DP
"This is also the place for Why does this site rank where it does? questions."

pinkpanther

Jan 21st 2005, 6:33 pm

Apologies if you feel I have hijacked your thread, was not my intention.

Just got carried away when there are nice people who tried to help and give advices..

Cheers!! :)

VegasMack

Jan 23rd 2005, 4:24 pm

now it's even better...
I still have PR3, but my cache is back from 30th Nov 2003 (when the site was not mine)....

and all the other pages are gone from index....

This is some weird thing...

After G has cached my site more than 100 times the last year... it goes back to Nov 2003...

Any similar experiences?Don’t know for sure, but it looks like Google is using old data in their SERPS. Not only have I noticed rankings have reverted for my KW phrase, but the pages indexed for that phrase has been drastically reduced and fluctuates several times daily.

While the pages in the Top Ten have fresh cache dates, the rankings are several months old.

I can’t get verification on this from other threads I have posted, but it appears to be the case.

I doubt Google has dumped 6 million pages for my KW, AND I went back to my old rankings. :rolleyes:

Maybe this is the case with you too, or part of it.

~VegasMack