how many links for a pr of 6?

[pau]

Hi,

Do you know how many links would it take to achieve a pr of 6 in a site? Or how many would it take to go from a pr of 4 to a pr of 6?

Thank you!

[nichevalue]

That would depend on a number of things such as:

1. Relevancy of the page containing the link.
2. PR of the page containing the link.
3. Number of outgoing links on the page containing the link.
... And other things

The key is to just continue building high quality one way links to your site.

[pau]

I agree, but I am being asked by a client to tell him an estimate number of inbound links for him to go from a pr of 4 to a pr of 6, and I'm not really sure if I could give him such number, not even an aproximate one. What do you think?

[Smyrl]

You might want to read http://www.compar.com/infopool/articles/PR-calculation.html. This article is at least two years old. I have done no work trying to verify its reliability.

Shannon

[mightyb]

Buy one PR8 link and you should be around pr7 next update or submit to 100000 PR1 directories whatever...

So it could be between 1 and million+

[WhatiFind]

Or you could use this calculator.. http://www.thinkbling.com/prcalc/ and read compars articles, it still rocks!

[mightyb]

Calculators dont quite work... They dont really take into account nofollow, link quality, number of outgoing links, domains age etc Especially after the latest google update glitch

[WhatiFind]

Calculators dont quite work...

Agreed, they don't really work that well. But it gives an indication.

Pagerank consists of so many factors. As said before in the forum, don't go for pagerank but go for serp. A higher pagerank will come eventually, work and work and build and build even more content to your websites and the rest will follow.

[mightyb]

Tru, like i say: "Pr is an indicator. Heating up your thermometer when you want hot weather wont quite help"

[terryuk]

Buy one PR8 link and you should be around pr7 next update or submit to 100000 PR1 directories whatever...

So it could be between 1 and million+

One Pr8 and your a 7?? that true or a kind word of sarcastic advice lol

[Nintendo]

I've got a PR 6 from...one PR 6 link.

[mightyb]

One Pr8 and your a 7?? that true or a kind word of sarcastic advice lol

It depends on the amount of outgoing links but it should be about right... I got PR6 from PR6 myself before.

By the way, it will cost you quite a bit...

[pau]

So you mean if a site got a link from a page with a pr of 6 with only that link it could receive a pr of 6 itself? Wouldn't it take a large amount of other links too?

[jason.ashby]

During that strange PR update we had around April 1st. A domain i had which was 2 months old got a PR of 5.

It is a blank page. No content, No Page tilte, No keywors and no descrption.

Only had one link from another of my sites homepage which has a PR of 5.

I wouldn't worry about page rank. The only thing that matters is serps.

[courtney]

I agree.. my site went from PR 0 to PR 5 in the last update, and the only links I have are a couple from DP posts. Which seems to indicate that PR is kinda worthless now. I notice that NicheBot.com is PR 10, outranking Yahoo. :rolleyes:

[wazimm]

Buy one PR8 link and you should be around pr7 next update or submit to 100000 PR1 directories whatever...

So it could be between 1 and million+

If true, the question is where do I find this 1 pr 8 link?

[dfsweb]

Even one PR7 link can get you a PR6 imo. IMO, it is possible to get to PR4 - PR5 just by submitting to directories etc. but unless you have a website that people link to themselves, sooner or later you will have to look at paid advertising (Ex: Paid directories etc.). Yahoo Directory's a pretty good one imo. It does have a $300 annual fee but if you can afford it, it's worth it imo.

Getting back to your question, I don't think you can answer your client's question with a number. You will have to explain all this to him/her/it :D

Wazimm: There are heaps of people selling links on the net. Search eBay or have a look at the buy/sell links site in my signature (not many there though at the moment). You can get a permanent PR7 link here (http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/donate.html) for only $500. Good luck!
dfsweb

[dfsweb]

I agree.. my site went from PR 0 to PR 5 in the last update, and the only links I have are a couple from DP posts. Which seems to indicate that PR is kinda worthless now. I notice that NicheBot.com is PR 10, outranking Yahoo. :rolleyes:

The PR Update this time has been a bit skewed, yes.

BUT, Nichebot.com's PR10 has got nothing to do with this update. All they did was redirected their Home Page URL to www.google.com. Anybody can do that with similar results. It will disappear once Google updates again. :)

[rosiee007]

I have been trying to figure this out myself. Usually link calculators dont work good, so I tried something new.

Here is the progress of Google backlinks for one of the webistes Im' working for.

August 2005 >> No. of back links on Google 86 (PR 5)
January 2006 >> No. of back links on Google 230 (PR went to 6 from PR 5)
April 2006 >> No. of back links on Google dropped to 159 (PR back to 5)


Then i did a competitor analyis and checked the number of back links they had on Google and their PR.

Heres the current analysis:

Competitor #1 >> Back Links on Google: 118 - PR: 5
Competitor #2 >> Back Links on Google: 874 - PR: 6
Competitor #3 >> Back Links on Google: 1350 - PR: 7
Competitor #4 >> Back Links on Google: 80 - PR: 5
Competitor #4 >> Back Links on Google: 175 - PR: 6
Competitor #5 >> Back Links on Google: 118 - PR: 5
Competitor #6 >> Back Links on Google: 666 - PR: 7


By looking at some more industry websites, I was able to find out that a count of backlinks between 80 and 160 gives PR 5, anything between 160 and 500 links will give PR 6 and so on. However, this is just an estimate. If the quality of links is good, you can still get PR 6 if you have between 80 and 160 links.

*This method will not be ture if you get 1 link from a PR 7 page and end up at PR 6 with just 4 or 5 back links.

[son]

if one pr7 links to you only, you might get higher results, but usually, you'd get pr5 from one pr7

[pau]

The conclusion I can make is that it would be not good to tell my client a number for this, so I have explained him how this works and told him I can not tell a number or even how much work it would take me to reach the pr6 goal he wants.

[dfsweb]

The conclusion I can make is that it would be not good to tell my client a number for this, so I have explained him how this works and told him I can not tell a number or even how much work it would take me to reach the pr6 goal he wants.

The other thing I would like to suggest is that (I am presuming you are an SEO) SEOs should really set targets for their clients in terms of SERP results or traffic or something else that really matters. PR is not really a feesible form of measuring results any more (Especially after the 4/4 update).

Maybe you could suggest to him that you will work on his SERPs. Target 10 keywords/phrases and then split the payment into 10 parts. Set a target for each SERP and then just tell him that you expect payment as soon as each target is met. Ex:

Total payment: $1500
Search term 1 - Target (top 10) - $500 (most competitive phrase)
Search term 2 - Target (top 5) - $200 (less competitive phrase)
Search term 3 - Target (top 3) - $100 (even less competition)
Search term 4 - Target (top 3) - $100
Search term 5 - Target (top 3) - $100
Search term 6 - Target (#1) - $100
Search term 7 - Target (#1) - $100
Search term 8 - Target (#1) - $100
Search term 9 - Target (#1) - $100
Search term 10 - Target (#1) - $100

This is just an example. You could do the same for traffic or if you are extremely confident in the field, base your SEO payment on sales conversions. Ex: Draw a one year contract with your client and tell him that you want 20% of incremental profits. So, if his/her profits go up by $20,000 you get $4,000. You could ask for payments on a monthly basis for each month's increase. This way, the client knows that he/she will see results and only then you will be paid. They will also be quite comfortable sharing a portion of the profits rather than paying you upfront not knowing whether they will gain anything from your work or not.

Regards,
dfsweb

[disgust]

I agree.. my site went from PR 0 to PR 5 in the last update, and the only links I have are a couple from DP posts. Which seems to indicate that PR is kinda worthless now. I notice that NicheBot.com is PR 10, outranking Yahoo. :rolleyes:

as has been pointed out elsewhere, their pagerank is not legitimate. they get it via a 301 cloaking trick.

really, it's a rather genius marketing idea ;-) the number of times you hear nichebot mentioned on forums is astounding after that.

[mdvaldosta]

PR has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the age of the links or relevancy. Only the pagerank of the page linking to you and the number of outgoing links (whether internal or external)...

And yes, a page can pass up to 85% of it's pagerank... so it's possible that a high PR6 website with only very minute number of outgoing links can give you a PR6... but most likely it will require a couple PR7's or a PR8, or several hundred or thousand PR0's - PR5's....

Also, see this link (http://www.whitelines.net/html/google-page-rank.html):

According to Sergey Brin and Lawrence (Larry) Page, Co-founders of Google, the PR of a webpage is calculated using this formula:

PR(A) = (1 - d) + d * SUM ((PR(I->A)/C(I))

Where:

PR(A) is the PageRank of your page A.
d is the damping factor, usually set to 0,85.
PR(I->A) is the PageRank of page I containing a link to page A.
C(I) is the number of links off page I.
PR(I->A)/C(I) is a PR-value page A receives from page I.
SUM (PR(I->A)/C(I)) is the sum of all PR-values page A receives from pages with links to page A..

In other words: The PR of a page is determined by the PR of every page I that has a link to page A. For every page I that points to page A, the PR of page I is devided by the number of links from page I. These values are cumulated and multiplied by 0,85. Finally 0,15 is added to this result, and this number represents the PR of page A.

Do remember that google only shows a portion of the backlinks it knows about, so G showing a backlink count of 115 could very easily have 500 or 1,000 backlinks...

Also as mentioned before that, remember that PR doesn't take into account the relevancy, age of the links, trustrank, anchor text, etc. so they really have no direct relationship to search engine rankings, although indirectly it's a good indicator and and does help some.

[TangoUK]

You also have to factor in the number of those IBLs which are internal. You'd be surprised just how many of the total links are actually just internal links. I see it all the time.

[rosiee007]

if one pr7 links to you only, you might get higher results, but usually, you'd get pr5 from one pr7

most of the time, problem is how to get a pr7 link? :p

[mightyb]

most of the time, problem is how to get a pr7 link? :p

Buy it :p