Anyone notice you drop in Yahoo if you add incoming links suddenly?

[energizer]

Hi guys,

I think I've noticed a consistent behavior with Yahoo and want to see if anyone else here has seen this - It seems that if we have a site and it stops gaining more then 1 link per day or week, it will rise in the results, but then if we get it like 10 links in 5 days it will drop back down. If we stop getting links, then it rises back up.

We have noticed this consistently with multiple sites over different IPs, with different incoming one way links.

Anyone elsee notice this?

Energizer

[sirisaacnewton2007]

I have noticed the same thing

[jimkarter]

Oh my gawd. I have never noticed it..but if this is true, then this is a good find.

[MKInfo]

So is it a good thing to only try to gain about 5 links a week using directories etc.(even accross all search engines)
With all the stuff I've been reading about links I can't make my mind up.It would be a royal pain in the butt if one SE penalised you for lots of quick links and another didn't.

[energizer]

Its good to get a confirmation on this.

The only thing is that we haven't figured how many links exactly it is before Yahoo knocks you down temporarily....

[maldives]

I don't think 10 links in 5 days is a bad ratio. I normally do about 05 -15 links per day ;)

Gaining links quickely is not recommended but, 10 links in 5 days is just fine. You should have another reason for the drop.

[jimkarter]

constant, slow and smooth link building is the key.

[Alva Ed]

Its good to know this useful information. .

you are right! -->
constant, slow and smooth link building is the key.

[BlueDevilMedia]

constant, slow and smooth link building is the key.

Isn't more links better in the long run though?

[maldives]

Isn't more links better in the long run though?
More links are better in the long run but, you should not practice mass submissions per day to directories and search engine.

[chief99]

I have found that if you add too many links to a individual site that it will trigger heighten scruntiy from Yahoo. I think if you are going to add alot of links in a brief period or in general that you variety your anchor text to avoid detention.

[PioneerGold]

I've seen some websites get 100,000 links in Yahoo with the link: command in only 6 months.

That's about 16,000 a month or 500 a day.

I wonder what is going on there? These sites rank okay in Yahoo and Google (top 5).

[www.AmCy.org]

This phenomenon is a pain in the neck to deal with, but it's a temporary drop so it's not so bad. I just increase the budget on my paid ad campaigns until the sites bounce back...and they always bounce back.

AmCy

[itsall3]

Its good to know this useful information. .

you are right! -->
constant, slow and smooth link building is the key.

Constant - Yes, a site always needs new links.
Slow and Smooth - im not sure? Directories (especially free ones) do not add your link the day you submit, some add months later. I submited to 500 directories in 1 day. Then left it. this was weeks ago, every few days i get a confirmation that my link has been submitted.

The directories listed on here usally list your site the same day, so i guess slow and smooth might work with them. But i carnt see how yahoo can drop your site because it suddlenly gets loads of backlinks. What about instant hit sites that get 1000's of backlinks a day - like the milliondollerhompage etc. And even if yahoo does drop it, the others dont. Yahoo will have to bring it back to the top eventually.

[kkibak]

It would be a royal pain in the butt if one SE penalised you for lots of quick links and another didn't.


Unfortunately that seems to be exactly the case (e.g. Google vs MSN).

[Infiniterb]

This phenomenon is a pain in the neck to deal with, but it's a temporary drop so it's not so bad. I just increase the budget on my paid ad campaigns until the sites bounce back...and they always bounce back.

AmCy

Are you talking about the phoenomenon where you are in the top 10 for a result, then all of the sudden, you're gone, then show up again, then are gone, etc. etc.

I'm experiencing that right now. It's such a pain...

[eWeOnline]

yes I noticed the same. I had 1793 backlinks from yahoo for one of my site and gradually dropped to around 256 when we are building links with in a short period of time.

[Toolz]

How are you supposed to get a link a day?
Sometimes you apply to 10 directories and get no links until 1 month later and 80% reject you.

This conversation seems to assume that Yahoo's spiders with find your links as you get them rather than in a months time when Yahoo respiders pages etc.....

I have never really tracked my sites in Yahoo, this whole conversation really interests me. Exactly how does this work?

And if you have a full time SEO link builder, who is submitting say 100-200 links per day, how will this affect things?

Thanks!

[honestman]

My account was terminated too.

[OrangutaN]

they reduce my indexed page from thousand to 10.
i think this month i'll only gonna get 200 click from yahoo

[letsjoy]

suddely too many links always penaltlize you

[jawinn]

Thank god I found this thread. I was ranking in the top 50 for my keyword, I built a ton of links one day and the next day I was in the top 200. :(

Has anyone noticed how long it takes for Yahoo to move you back to your previous place after a big link growth?

Also given this phenomenon, wouldn't it be advisable to just do a massive link campaign right when you launch your site? That way you can start off with a ton of links and then move into a small sustained link building process.

[coolsitez]

took about a week or so? could have been a little longer. But that was in my case. I am not sure how they determine.

As for the idea of massive links prior to your main promotion, I thought about it. It could be a way to do. But then I am not sure if that can be a bigger penalty or what. Either way you still need links. It's a matter of how you should do and can be careful about it.

I concluded that link building should be a rather slower process than we want. Especially if you want a higher SERPs and would like to keep it as high as possible at any time.

[andrewshim]

Are you talking about the phoenomenon where you are in the top 10 for a result, then all of the sudden, you're gone, then show up again, then are gone, etc. etc.

I'm experiencing that right now. It's such a pain...

I've come to call this "phenomenon" the YAHOO YOYO.
I was there in March till May, going up and down. Actually, now that I've read this thread and think back...

I read somewhere that recips tend to cause too much problems later on because it's just impossible to keep track of whether sites are linking back to you or if they turn black hat. I was adding links at the rate of maybe 10 a day. When I read this, I thought "yeah... some sites seems to kill my link once they've secured a link-back on my site". And I WAS having problems with one or two sites that suddenly changed from the ones that I linked to originally (probably the sites were bought over).

While I was busy building recips, I noticed that I was bouncing around in the Yahoo YoYo!.

I decided to do something about it. I gradually removed all non-link-back sites, then unrelated link categories, leaving only related links in related categories. I stopped recip linking for the sake of recip linking. I also concentrated on building one-way links via article marketing and improving my content. All these seem to have had a positive effect (fingers crossed). My sites stopped bouncing around and have remained stabilized for some time now.

[jalika]

hmmmmmmmm yes its dropped for that particular keyword, not the site, its more than one week for me, no up trend.

Jalika

[Daedalus]

I have noticed this myself. I added some links on CraigsList and my rank on Yahoo went down. After a few days, I noticed it had bounced back up.

[Blackbeard]

I've seen the same thing myself, but the cumulative effect of link building time far outweighs the short-term downswings in the SERPS. Google also seems to have a link age filter where if you grab too many links too qukckly, then your site sometimes gets penalized by becoming "supplemental results". Also, only building 10 links a day seems like a slow build to me.

If I had to guess the search engines probably have a % growth filter where if one page or a whole site gets too many links by % then it's abnormal growth and thus is penalized. That is why newer and smaller sites see this phenomenon more than larger sites. 10% of 100 links is only 10 links, but 10% of 1,000 links is 100, thus the site with 1,000 backlinks has more room to grow by percentage.

[Cryogenius]

This kinda suggests that one should be careful with link co-op schemes, which are automatically acquiring backlinks for you every day. I think I need to go login to my co-op account and adjust my 'links per day' setting...

Cryo.

[Kirtan]

I have also noticed the same thing. I doubled the backlinks in a month for one of my client. All links are free one way links. Got #1 rank in Google. But with Yahoo! it is fluctuating anywhere between 1 to 100. I don't know what to say to client about this as this is chirtmas season and it is important to them. Is it possible to submit 10 directories / day. If we do so, at end of 2nd month there is possibility to have NO LINKS. what is the conclusion?

[Puneet Thakkar]

I have not noticed that too anytime for any of my site...i have suffered from little ups and downs by Yahoo and i get links to my website slowly and easily so there is no problem in it. Writing articles is also best.


Puneet M

[costa blanca]

I noticed it aswell i was no1 for a couple of my keywords,
I added some more links to increase rankings else where and dropped 5 places in yahoo,
Have found now that it is starting to climb up again but very slowly.

[haiku]

Of course there are certain SEO tricks and hacks but there is no secret way to instantly build links and rank high in Google. Building PR takes time.

[haiku]

Have any of you tried services that submit your website to directories?

[Sharon25]

I have heavily sufferd from this problem, some of my top sites which ranked among top 10 has gone down and some are no where to be found :( and some have gone down to 100, this is crazy

[majorkontrapelo]

If this is true, how can we balance our links to get good positions in both Google and Yahoo? As we know, we're in a hurry with building tons of links to rank well in Google and at the same time we'll take it slowly for Yahoo?

[wm007]

constant, slow and smooth link building is the key.

Link buillding is not just a manual process. People who automatically link to you without asking is also link building.

I you have a good article and it's popular everywhere, then it's not uncommon to have tens of sites linking to you daily. This should never have a negative effect on search engine ranking, actually the opposite.

[NightOwl888]

This could potentially explain a recent decline in rank in Yahoo for my site. MSN and Google didn't drop at all. Yahoo moved me from the first page to the 3rd page (or worse) on virtually every keyword.

But I haven't added links in large numbers for several weeks, unless you count those sites that link to you on every page on their site - I nailed a couple of those recently.

Specifically how fast is too fast? Does it depend on how many links you already have?

[kingofsanda]

I have never heard of this before but it might be true.