Google finished my pr5 dream, "a destroyed directory"

[Malatya]

Hi my friends.
I am the owner of acotm.com , it is a general and totally free directory (do not collect any reciprocal link) I really dream about a pr5 because i never get it.Domain alive since 2005.(via archive.org) and i am using it as a directory around 2 years.I make some link exchanges but never spam, or some extra seo.I obey google TOS totally.

I look up pr predict (iwebtool , zeytech) for some fun but generally they say i have lots of links, iam indexed and i will get a pr6. I started a blog on the directory and write some content.I look the directory everyday and everyday approve some link.Site is updated generally.So with the update, i see a PR 0 and dissapointed.I am planning turn it to a paid directory with pr5.

Please give me some idea, where i made wrong and how can i fix it?

(i disabled link submit, because people still thinks it is a pr4.It is done after pr0)

[mikey1090]

It may be manually manipulated to show PR0 on the homepage.

[Malatya]

Mikey, my friend, i lost whole site.I have pr4 and pr3 subpages.Now all of them is pr0.I think this is a update and it will change, i wait for 2 weeks but still i have pr0.I have around 7 site but the most important is acotm.I like it, its my baby.But now, i am curious about the end.I think i have no choice.Google still index me, do not ban etc.Show google ads on site.But google gives (or i get) a pr0 to the site.

This is not common and i think, yes this can be manual.But why google does this, site is really small.Google can ban or do not think about it.Generally my other sites protect their pr.

Thanks for your time and effort for reply me.I am really really bad.(

[pipes]

It may be manually manipulated to show PR0 on the homepage.

Not sure if im looking too far into something thats not there, but possibly meaning that a site can still infact have its pr (the non visible pr) but somehow they can make it show 0 for obvious reasons

Is that daft? April fools messing more with my head or what? :)

[toby]

did you take time to edit those description users submitted? If not, that could lead google to think you r just "another" typical directory.

[sray]

Dont get disheartened Malatya. Google is suffering from 'Directoryphobia' for the last couple of weeks. Nobody knows what will happen when, why & where...

All we can do pray for a cure and we believe that God is bringing a cure soon.

[mikey1090]

Not sure if im looking too far into something thats not there, but possibly meaning that a site can still infact have its pr (the non visible pr) but somehow they can make it show 0 for obvious reasons

Is that daft? April fools messing more with my head or what? :)

You think my ZL is a real PR0?

There is a paid directory owned by a DP member. SERP penalty in google and PR0 on the toolbar. It shows PR7 in the google directory listing - which is not manipulated like the toolbar.

[pipes]

You think my ZL is a real PR0?

There is a paid directory owned by a DP member. SERP penalty in google and PR0 on the toolbar. It shows PR7 in the google directory listing - which is not manipulated like the toolbar.

Good point, thanks.

[Malatya]

did you take time to edit those description users submitted? If not, that could lead google to think you r just "another" typical directory.
I was thinked that user submitted descriptions can be good for google seo. But maybe i have to disable the user side description and keyword. Maybe users spam and google thinks i do this.Thanks for clue

Dont get disheartened Malatya. Google is suffering from 'Directoryphobia' for the last couple of weeks. Nobody knows what will happen when, why & where...

All we can do pray for a cure and we believe that God is bringing a cure soon.

I hope too my friend, i want to believe this.

You think my ZL is a real PR0?

There is a paid directory owned by a DP member. SERP penalty in google and PR0 on the toolbar. It shows PR7 in the google directory listing - which is not manipulated like the toolbar.

Thanks dude, maybe i have something around this.

[hyper]

Told you..we need a new authority ranking method for directories other than PageRank.

Let's encourage the BR ( Bidilicious Rank ), VR ( Value-For-Buck Rank ), DR ( Directory Rate ), and other concepts to continue develop those ranking methods and maybe more.

Malatya, don't be dissapointed. Your directory will still be a good resource after all.

Thanks,
hyper

[mister charlie]

All we can do pray for a cure and we believe that God is bringing a cure soon.

Good luck with that...

[discover]

Told you..we need a new authority ranking method for directories other than PageRank.

Let's encourage the BR ( Bidilicious Rank ), VR ( Value-For-Buck Rank ), DR ( Directory Rate ), and other concepts to continue develop those ranking methods and maybe more.

Malatya, don't be dissapointed. Your directory will still be a good resource after all.

Thanks,
hyper

tbh i think we need to move as far away from ratings as possible
let the submitters make their own mind from doing a little research on a directory

[mhamdi]

The ultimate rating should be how well a directory ranks for the targetted keyword (brings traffic and relevent quality link).
http://tools.enquira.com/link-quality.php

visible PR is manipulated nowadays.

[hecto]

sorry to hear about the directory, but dont lose hope it might become a pr5 again, google does mess up a lot so nothing new there. My directory was a pr 0 for a bit and then it picked up its pr again.

[hyper]

The ultimate rating should be how well a directory ranks for the targetted keyword (brings traffic and relevent quality link).
http://tools.enquira.com/link-quality.php

visible PR is manipulated nowadays.

yeah...but if you got penalized and you will not even rank for your own directory name...what you are saying could be a little difficult :)

[mhamdi]

yeah...but if you got penalized and you will not even rank for your own directory name...what you are saying could be a little difficult :)

If the directory is penalized (serps penalty not pr) then the directory links are simply worthless. The directory can even be considered a bad neighborhood when it is penalized.

[nethelp]

it took me 2 years to get PR 5 to my web directory, was lot of work ...so good luck!

nethelp/robert

[zexy]

Getting a PR5 is getting harder and harder lately.
Google is becoming very picky with the PR. And I don't believe prays will help much...

[Brian1970]

Getting a PR5 is getting harder and harder lately.
Google is becoming very picky with the PR. And I don't believe prays will help much...

It won’t hurt.:o

Thanks Brian

[lastclips]

so google have initiated pr update today or i missed something?

[funkymario]

If the directory is penalized (serps penalty not pr) then the directory links are simply worthless. The directory can even be considered a bad neighborhood when it is penalized.

Exactly, let's be honest and not hypocrites, a penalised directory is worthless for 99% of the submitters, let's not try to invent a new "fake" rating system just to trick people into submitting their websites.

[hyper]

Exactly, let's be honest and not hypocrites, a penalised directory is worthless for 99% of the submitters, let's not try to invent a new "fake" rating system just to trick people into submitting their websites.

you seem to forget that Google is not the only search engine in the world. There are penalised directories that have thousands of pages indexed on Yahoo, MSN, etc.

after all...fuck Google.

[pipes]

you seem to forget that Google is not the only search engine in the world. There are penalised directories that have thousands of pages indexed on Yahoo, MSN, etc.

after all...fuck Google.

Good point, my traffic on one of my directories from se's for march was from yahoo, msn, then google.

In feb and im not joking it was msn first (yes msn sent the most) then yahoo, then google.

[Freewebspace]

Exactly, let's be honest and not hypocrites, a penalised directory is worthless for 99% of the submitters, let's not try to invent a new "fake" rating system just to trick people into submitting their websites.

Only Google penalised and not other SE's

And also there are many penalized directories where the quality of listing is good that Google's SE Rankings

[Obelia]

When Google is known to be manipulating the visible PR, particularly on websites it suspects of selling links based on PR, what difference does it make what it shows?

You need to be able to demonstrate traffic, and PR is pretty much useless for that in any case. Alexa is okay for demonstrating webmaster traffic but not so useful for getting a feel for how many general browsers are visiting. Compete.com data may also be worth a look.

[indyguidedotinfo]

Getting a PR5 is getting harder and harder lately.
Google is becoming very picky with the PR. And I don't believe prays will help much...

never underestimate the power of pray :D

Do not get discouraged about PR, just keep on doing what your doing. Make your directory quality for the people not Google

[mhamdi]

Good point, my traffic on one of my directories from se's for march was from yahoo, msn, then google.

In feb and im not joking it was msn first (yes msn sent the most) then yahoo, then google.

I checked few websites (decent traffic 100K+ pageviews a month) over an extended period of time (2 years), the traffic coming google is 25-30 times higher than yahoo+msn combined. And these websites are from various niches.

[pipes]

I checked few websites (decent traffic 100K+ pageviews a month) over an extended period of time (2 years), the traffic coming google is 25-30 times higher than yahoo+msn combined. And these websites are from various niches.

None are directories i imagine?

[mhamdi]

No, however my directory with the highest traffic is a niche directory with the following stats
Traffic from search engines 95%

breakdown:

1. google 94.44%
2. aol 3.63% (google powered).
5. yahoo 0.22%
8. msn 0.01%

cnn (google search) sends me more traffic than msn.


So if you are missing google traffic, you are missing a lot.

[mysmehmood]

Well, PR suckes.

i droped from PR3 to PR0. it took lot of effort to take it to PR3.
but now after 2 months it is PR2. but now i don't care about PR.


cheers:

[Kraize]

It is a common trend. Google is starting to manually edit directories to PR0. This has been going on for at least a couple of months.

Luckily PR isn't a huge factor for me. Personally I look at traffic rank, and other factors.

[jhnrang]

You think my ZL is a real PR0?

There is a paid directory owned by a DP member. SERP penalty in google and PR0 on the toolbar. It shows PR7 in the google directory listing - which is not manipulated like the toolbar.


Just noticed - Google directory is no longer showing PR for listed sites.:eek:

[mikey1090]

Just noticed - Google directory is no longer showing PR for listed sites.:eek:

Perhaps they read my post :D Now their directory is nothing unique. Just a duplicate site.

[Artifexus]

Just noticed - Google directory is no longer showing PR for listed sites.

I'm still seeing PR bars...

[dargre]

Come on. stop crying ladies. :D
There is no business that last forever.
Even Google will die some day or another giant will come.

I spent nice time with directories, lost much more than you write here.
But I'm not so unhappy. Still I have new and new clients with so various websites and projects. Hard to find free time.
Also I almost finish a project with great perspective that will beat all my directories business hundreds times.

Times are changing. Directories was great experience for many, this is very important, as it's only a matter of time when you find your way. Just be positive, look around.
Wish you good luck as always.

- D.

[Artifexus]

dargre, you talk as if directories are dead...:D

:confused: :( :eek:

[dargre]

dargre, you talk as if directories are dead...:D

:confused: :( :eek:

Because it is at the moment.
Those few dirs that still run good is just micro-percent of all.
It's far too less to start new project hoping it will succeed and stay for a while...
The only reason to run directory is niche, and shouldn't be treated as business, rather as base of larger network.
Or other way is to have hundreds of trash making pennies.
Then penny+penny+penny makes nice amount.

This doesn't mean that it won't change.
But I doubt I'll be fully back to this business. Only support and helping those who ask.
As I said - times are changing - there are other, much more interesting and also more profitable ways of making internet business.

- D.

[ninjashoes]

My directory went from pr5 to pr0 overnight, I said screw it and gave up. Maybe if some of you guys recover I will regret it but I don't find its worth the hassle anymore, I would rather concentrate on other sites.

[JamieG]

Good point, my traffic on one of my directories from se's for march was from yahoo, msn, then google.

In feb and im not joking it was msn first (yes msn sent the most) then yahoo, then google.It's not a good point at all, in fact its downright pathetic. I bet you a thousand pounds here and now (and I'll call in to give it to you if I'm wrong) that you would be devastated if you got de-indexed from Google. Your living in a pipe dream if you think otherwise. Pardon the pun.

Show us your stats if that's the case, I for one would love to see them.

[pipes]

Come on. stop crying ladies. :D
There is no business that last forever.
Even Google will die some day or another giant will come.

I spent nice time with directories, lost much more than you write here.
But I'm not so unhappy. Still I have new and new clients with so various websites and projects. Hard to find free time.
Also I almost finish a project with great perspective that will beat all my directories business hundreds times.

Times are changing. Directories was great experience for many, this is very important, as it's only a matter of time when you find your way. Just be positive, look around.
Wish you good luck as always.

- D.

A positive outlook, when your having problems with one business it makes you expand into other projects, theres so many other things all of us can do out there.

[an0n]

Hi my friends.
I am the owner of acotm.com , it is a general and totally free directory (do not collect any reciprocal link) I really dream about a pr5 because i never get it.Domain alive since 2005.(via archive.org) and i am using it as a directory around 2 years.I make some link exchanges but never spam, or some extra seo.I obey google TOS totally.

I look up pr predict (iwebtool , zeytech) for some fun but generally they say i have lots of links, iam indexed and i will get a pr6. I started a blog on the directory and write some content.I look the directory everyday and everyday approve some link.Site is updated generally.So with the update, i see a PR 0 and dissapointed.I am planning turn it to a paid directory with pr5.

Please give me some idea, where i made wrong and how can i fix it?

(i disabled link submit, because people still thinks it is a pr4.It is done after pr0)

Although your 'dream' may be destroyed, I just wanted to ask you *why* have you removed the credits to the designer and sponsor of this template?
Would it be safe to say 'what comes around goes around'? naughty naughty!

[SeoTrade]

My directory (opendirectorio.com) has dropped from pr4 to pr3 after the google update, I think the cause we I had too many outgoing links on the main page. (pay attention to this), interesting I have the same traffic coming from google.

Hey friend, keep working on the good SEO and you'll see the results.

[Malatya]

I am very happy to reading your posts.Thanks for the time and effort.I make a general reply, if something overlooked, please forgive me my dear friends.


Told you..we need a new authority ranking method for directories other than PageRank.

Let's encourage the BR ( Bidilicious Rank ), VR ( Value-For-Buck Rank ), DR ( Directory Rate ), and other concepts to continue develop those ranking methods and maybe more.

Malatya, don't be dissapointed. Your directory will still be a good resource after all.

Thanks,
hyper

Thanks my friend, you'r ok.I hope i really do this again.

The ultimate rating should be how well a directory ranks for the targetted keyword (brings traffic and relevent quality link).
http://tools.enquira.com/link-quality.php

visible PR is manipulated nowadays.

thanks my friend.First of all i like your blog and directory, and read your mods on phpld.you are really good.And thanks again.When i search free directory my site comes 7. on your site's tool.I became really happy.Make a search and aCotm.com is on 13. on google.(12. with "free directory")This is really good i think.I spend lots of my time and now see this.

sorry to hear about the directory, but dont lose hope it might become a pr5 again, google does mess up a lot so nothing new there. My directory was a pr 0 for a bit and then it picked up its pr again.

Thanks my friend.this is a different thing.It is a dream, a want, a gift for me.I do not know why but really want a pr5.I look up some dropped pr5 domains but it is really different.Think that you have a baby and you grow up her to 5 years old.Funny i know.) I hope to pick up again.

If the directory is penalized (serps penalty not pr) then the directory links are simply worthless. The directory can even be considered a bad neighborhood when it is penalized.

Penalize.Yes, i think this is the point i have.I hate this.

it took me 2 years to get PR 5 to my web directory, was lot of work ...so good luck!
nethelp/robert

Thanks Robert.I am really happy for you.I hope i can reach a pr5 too.I really want and spend time for this.

Getting a PR5 is getting harder and harder lately.
Google is becoming very picky with the PR. And I don't believe prays will help much...

I think so.Google changed something on algoritm.I dont believe prays but i we can try it also.)

you seem to forget that Google is not the only search engine in the world. There are penalised directories that have thousands of pages indexed on Yahoo, MSN, etc.
after all...fuck Google.

Hyper yes, google is not the One but it is really big.Lots of people come from there and buy featured link via your pagerank.

I checked few websites (decent traffic 100K+ pageviews a month) over an extended period of time (2 years), the traffic coming google is 25-30 times higher than yahoo+msn combined. And these websites are from various niches.

I like "cnn Search is bigger than msn" , agree my friend.

Come on. stop crying ladies. :D
There is no business that last forever.
Even Google will die some day or another giant will come.

I spent nice time with directories, lost much more than you write here.
But I'm not so unhappy. Still I have new and new clients with so various websites and projects. Hard to find free time.
Also I almost finish a project with great perspective that will beat all my directories business hundreds times.

Times are changing. Directories was great experience for many, this is very important, as it's only a matter of time when you find your way. Just be positive, look around.
Wish you good luck as always.

- D.

Thanks for your long reply, helpful my friend.You are right.Always quality wins.But i am not a really really good webmaster i know.My site is an ordinary directory.I spend time, get backlinks, my own mods and some design from me.But i know "this is not the best directory" .I really love it, and want a pr5 for making my dream real.Yes, i want some money, i want to earn money but the main issue is, i love this baby.One day, i hope i can make more quality sites and do not worry about google pr.

A positive outlook, when your having problems with one business it makes you expand into other projects, theres so many other things all of us can do out there.

You are right and good idea.But i spent lots of time and now see a pr0 site.It is really bad.Also, yes i am working on some other projects.

[Malatya]

Although your 'dream' may be destroyed, I just wanted to ask you *why* have you removed the credits to the designer and sponsor of this template?
Would it be safe to say 'what comes around goes around'? naughty naughty!

I do not delete links! I buy this from a Turkish webmaster with money.(and i make a website for him) . I search this and pm you again.I hate link deleters and do not need this.Also, this is a directory, i have 10.000 out going links, why i delete 1/2 links? This is really comic.But i look up for this.

You are right but , before writing 'what comes around goes around'? you can pm me for this.I am a good man my friend.If i were bad, i believe i reach pr6/pr5 but i do not prefer this.

thanks for reply.

[mhamdi]

Make a search and aCotm.com is on 13. on google.(12. with "free directory")This is really good i think.I spend lots of my time and now see this.


congrats, very good serps.

[swedal]

Hi my friends.
I am the owner of acotm.com , it is a general and totally free directory (do not collect any reciprocal link) I really dream about a pr5 because i never get it.Domain alive since 2005.(via archive.org) and i am using it as a directory around 2 years.I make some link exchanges but never spam, or some extra seo.I obey google TOS totally.

I look up pr predict (iwebtool , zeytech) for some fun but generally they say i have lots of links, iam indexed and i will get a pr6. I started a blog on the directory and write some content.I look the directory everyday and everyday approve some link.Site is updated generally.So with the update, i see a PR 0 and dissapointed.I am planning turn it to a paid directory with pr5.

Please give me some idea, where i made wrong and how can i fix it?

(i disabled link submit, because people still thinks it is a pr4.It is done after pr0)

Malatya since you have asked, here is my advice which may or may not help you.

Where you have gone wrong is caring more about Google than the visitors to your site. Quit worrying so much about your pr and how google is being unfair and squashing your dreams. Life is unfair so just focus on building a site worthy of the traffic you want.

You can only control what goes on in house. You can't control Google and they will do what they want to do.

Oh and pr predictors are a joke and should only be used if you understand it is for humor. ;)

I hope this helps you....

[syted]

Where you have gone wrong is caring more about Google than the visitors to your site. Quit worrying so much about your pr and how google is being unfair and squashing your dreams. Life is unfair so just focus on building a site worthy of the traffic you want.
Good Advice, I made the same mistake, go for content and traffic, let the rest take its course.

[Malatya]

congrats, very good serps.

I try this after your post, thanks again phpld guru.

Malatya since you have asked, here is my advice which may or may not help you.

Where you have gone wrong is caring more about Google than the visitors to your site. Quit worrying so much about your pr and how google is being unfair and squashing your dreams. Life is unfair so just focus on building a site worthy of the traffic you want.

You can only control what goes on in house. You can't control Google and they will do what they want to do.

Oh and pr predictors are a joke and should only be used if you understand it is for humor. ;)

I hope this helps you....

Thanks for your long reply.Yes, you are right my friend, totally right.When i am reading this replies i became more happy, thanks all my friends.

I had 2 plans.First reach pr5 because i really love this.The Second thing is I was planing to sell some featured links and make some money.Also this not all about money.I give lots of years to Internet and i have to make some money.This is not a must, i know and i enjoy my job but if you earn some bucks with you creation then you feel you upgrade yourself.

Now, i am more hopeful even i started this topic.Thanks my friends, i love the net because it gives you wonderful friends

[jplazo]

Yeah... I see no shifting yet....

[an0n]

I do not delete links! I buy this from a Turkish webmaster with money.(and i make a website for him) . I search this and pm you again.I hate link deleters and do not need this.Also, this is a directory, i have 10.000 out going links, why i delete 1/2 links? This is really comic.But i look up for this.

You are right but , before writing 'what comes around goes around'? you can pm me for this.I am a good man my friend.If i were bad, i believe i reach pr6/pr5 but i do not prefer this.

thanks for reply.

I'd like offer an apology for my response.

I too am just like you with regards to those who modify designer's links.

So in all, I wish you to a speedy recovery.

Rob

[aspidov]

The only reason to run directory is niche, and shouldn't be treated as business, rather as base of larger network.
- D.

Dang maaaaan, stop giving away trade secrets, next thing we know, we'll have a farm of "niche directories" in Solicitations and Announcements

[Spider-Man]

Dang maaaaan, stop giving away trade secrets, next thing we know, we'll have a farm of "niche directories" in Solicitations and Announcements

We already do! Hahaha.

However, yes, I agree - ssshhh;) Niche directories are on the increase, though. Not much any niche directory owner can do to stop this now.

[tradeya]

maybe you can learn something that happened to Aviva directory. (they were different coz they were deindexed and lower the PR as well.) google for their blog that said how could they come back to the business. maybe that would help your directory. wish you best luck. and come back to tell me if their methods are useful.

here http://www.avivadirectory.com/downloadblog/?p=338
and here http://www.bidilicious.com/blog/2008/02/26/aviva-directory-a-little-premature/

[Malatya]

maybe you can learn something that happened to Aviva directory. (they were different coz they were deindexed and lower the PR as well.) google for their blog that said how could they come back to the business. maybe that would help your directory. wish you best luck. and come back to tell me if their methods are useful.

here http://www.avivadirectory.com/downloadblog/?p=338
and here http://www.bidilicious.com/blog/2008/02/26/aviva-directory-a-little-premature/

Thanks my dear friend.I read them now, and helpful.Bu i am careful about most of them.Still can understand google.The main reason is my site is a "directory" ,i think .

Anyway, google gives me a pr2 with this update.) What a wonderful gift.