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uca
Jan 10th 2005, 8:21 pm
Does anybody already have a CLEAR idea of what MSN appreciates the most, because I'm soon going to be in trouble when the beta version becomes the actual.
I know most of you are looking forward to the new version I am not! :mad:
I hope it's the description that I don't even bother using anymore and little else, any hints?
fryman
Jan 10th 2005, 9:24 pm
When I tweaked my on-page optimization my rankings at MSN started to climb. I guess they are like Yahoo and like to see you work on your site.
uca
Jan 11th 2005, 5:54 am
Thank you, fryman!

Still, there's definetely more and I hope someone has something to add.

I am actually building my sites, so there are frequent changes, still, beta MSN doesn't like them, the actual MSN yes! :(
john_loch
Jan 11th 2005, 5:42 pm
Anchor text is big also.

Cheers,

JL
chachi
Jan 11th 2005, 5:48 pm
yeah, it appears that the MSN beta is a combo of Yahoo on-page and anchor text. Wonder how they decided to do that? :rolleyes:
spdude
Jan 16th 2005, 7:03 pm
The new MSN rewards agressive SEO too much IMO. One of our *link pages* ranks number one for "Clothes", if you can believe that!

I use heavy H1 fonts and alot of internal hyperlinks to my own pages (with css it doesn't look bad, H1 is made to look just a bit bigger than normal bold).. lots of on-page SEO, then thousands of links are set up using php code (rotating anchors) from big directory type web-sites. I always target dozens of small phrases.. the word "clothes" was coming in them all. MSN gave us credit, I guess.
Refrozen
Jan 16th 2005, 7:40 pm
yeah, it appears that the MSN beta is a combo of Yahoo on-page and anchor text. Wonder how they decided to do that? :rolleyes:
Perhaps by crawling Google for the anchor text weight, recording Google's results, then making their own (or crawling Yahoo) for the onpage stuff? :P :p
ResaleBroker
Jan 16th 2005, 8:17 pm
My experience leads me to believe that MSN Beta (http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sales+training&FORM=QBHP) favors backlinks. The site I referrence is "SalesPractice" and the term is "Sales Training."
Infiniterb
Jan 17th 2005, 10:51 pm
Backlinks are huge for MSN Beta.
cgo85
Jan 17th 2005, 11:24 pm
Yeah... I'm seeing backlinks as being very important... not so much on page stuff though. Also, from what I'm seeing they've switched over already. Maybe a regional thing though.
Infiniterb
Jan 17th 2005, 11:26 pm
I wonder if all of California converted to it. It still says "beta" here in Sacramento, but has converted. I was in SF today and it was converted as well.
ferret77
Jan 18th 2005, 4:56 am
its show beta resutls from the msn homepage here in Miami
my3cents
Jan 18th 2005, 5:53 am
I'm in the midwest and seeing beta results for both IE and Firefox (over the weekend I would just see beta results when using Firefox).

Looks good!

And to chime in on what seems to work best, I agree with the above that standard SEO seems to help a great deal. Keep you pages simple! That is always my rule of thumb!!!
john_loch
Jan 18th 2005, 6:46 am
My experience leads me to believe that MSN Beta (http://beta.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sales+training&FORM=QBHP) favors backlinks. The site I referrence is "SalesPractice" and the term is "Sales Training."

Do your IBL anchors include 'sales forums' and 'sales books' ? because you rank quite well for those too.. or do you feel you have more volume than your immediate competitors ?

Cheers,

JL
ResaleBroker
Jan 18th 2005, 7:12 am
Do your IBL anchors include 'sales forums' and 'sales books' ? because you rank quite well for those too..Yes, my IBL anchors do include those terms. :)