PAYPAL and GoDaddy Support and Protect Scammers

[bgmv]

Everyone please Digg this. If there is public awareness about what is going on maybe something will happen.

Recent events have made it very evident that both PayPal and GoDaddy support and protect internet scamming, identity theft, and fraudulent account activities. PayPal and GoDaddy are giants in their respective market segments and domainers have been using both for years. Domainers trusted their domain sales and transfers in the hands of these two corporations, but I do not think that trend will continue much longer.

Recently there have been a lot of scammers going on to forums and initiating sales and purchases of LLLL.com (4 letter .com domain names.) What happens is the scammer either creates a new username at a forum or he somehow hacks into a preexisting username and emulates another user. The scammer then sends out private messages (PM) to users that have posted their domains for sale and offers to buy them. Once negotiations have ended and a price has been established by both the seller and scammer, the scammer sends payment. Currently these scammers only pay via PayPal and only buy names that are registered at GoDaddy; of course, there is a reason for that.

The scammer sends payment via a STOLEN or HACKED PayPal account, assuming the identity of that person. Once the seller receives/confirms payment via PayPal he or she transfers the domains registered at GoDaddy to the Scammer. In order to complete the transfer of the domain the buyer (scammer) must provide the following information: Name, Complete Address, Country, Phone, and Email corresponding to the GoDaddy account where the domains will be transferred to. Usually, the account information is manipulated to match the identical information as the stolen PayPal account, preventing suspicion. Now the seller transfers the domains to the scammers GoDaddy account. Once the domains have been transferred a confirmation PM is sent and the scammer of course says everything is perfect. The seller goes to sleep happy and the scammer is grinning ear to ear because within minutes the scammer initiates a Chargeback on the stolen PayPal account. A chargeback occurs when fraudulent activity or unauthorized purchases have occurred and PayPal immediately reclaims the funds, without question. After the chargeback is completed the funds in the sellers PayPal account are $0.00. At this point the Scammer has the seller's domains and the seller has neither the money for the domains nor the domains themselves.

This is where both PayPal and GoDaddy facilitate and condone the scammer's getaway. The seller calls PayPal and asks," What happened to my money?"
PayPal responds with, "We are sorry sir but the funds you received for the following transaction were fraudulently acquired and the TRUE owner of the account denies initiating the transaction."
The seller then asks, "Well, do I get my money back? What about my domains can I get those back?"
PayPal responds with, "Actually sir because domains are an INTANGIBLE item they do not comply with the Seller Protection Agreement and are not covered by PayPal, only TANGIBLE items are covered against charge backs. We recommend contacting your registrar to see if they can help you."
Seller says, "Ok, so the TRUE owner of the account gets his money back, the scammer gets my domains and I am left with neither! I don't understand how this is possible. Can you provide me with information that you uncover about the scammer so I can contact him or her?"
PayPal representative, "Unfortunately there is nothing we can do for you on our end. Any information that we find can only be obtained by SUBPEONA. The only thing you can do is take legal action against the perpetrator."
Seller says something along the line of, "This is unethical and you will hear from my lawyers, I will never use your services again,” and then hangs up.

So that’s step one in the Scammer's getaway. PayPal is concealing the identity of the scammer; they can easily track him or her down via a reverse IP lookup to see who initiated the transaction. They protect the TRUE owner of the account and the thief but they do not protect the seller? The seller is the one that has to pay the 3.2% fees, for what, what are those fees going towards if they cannot even protect you. If a transaction is for intangible goods then you should not be FORCED to pay their fees, there is no point.

Here comes step 2 in this disappearing act. By now the seller is feeling agitated but still feels that their is light at the end of the GoDaddy tunnel. The seller checks the WhoIs.sc information for the stolen domains and sees that they are still registered to the THIEF and remain in the GoDaddy system. Surely it would be easy to reverse the transfer; it should not be that hard, you have the GoDaddy email along with all the other contact info to which the domains were transferred to...WRONG! You decide to contact GoDaddy and see what they can do. After explaining your situation to the representative they respond with this, "Unfortunately, GoDaddy does not get involved in third party disputes. This is why we have TDNAM, so you can sell your domains safely."

TDNAM is an online auction site OWNED by GoDaddy wherein the seller must pay a yearly fee of $6.95 and Escrow fees.

Seller says, "WHAT! These domains were stolen from me and they are in your system. They were just transferred hours ago and I can't get them back?”
GoDaddy, “I’m sorry sir, but since these domains were not transferred via TDNAM we have no responsibility to the buyer or the seller. Once the account change is initiated and accepted we are not involved.”
You go back and forth with the GoDaddy representative but get nowhere, there is nothing you can do, and you just got SCAMMED.
The only way to get your domains back is by legal action or reporting the problem to ICAAN.org. Or by the grace of God you find out who the scammer is and harass them to the point of forfeiture. Other than that you are shit out of luck and there is nothing to be done.

That is how I and countless other sellers got scammed and all we can do is sit here holding the bag. The scammers know every angle, they choose GoDaddy and PayPal because they know that they do not pursue or amend fraudulent transfers and charge backs. The next step is to file a class action lawsuit against PayPal and GoDaddy . All I ask is that anyone that has had this occurrence please email me at benvardag@aol.com, I will compile a list of victims and their situations.

[wagz]

amen......PP & GD totally suck and its clear they've been made well aware of this scam yet they continue to let the scam & the scammer opperate unchecked.

I'll post your write up on my forum as well!
http://www.lazyforums.net/showthread.php?p=2841591#post2841591

[amitfan]

PP really sucks. They give scammer loads of time to transfer their accumulated funds before they can come up with a lame excuse that you have won arbitration but scammer does not have enough funds in his account.

[tinner666]

Let's get together and lodge complaints here: www dot ic3 dot gov/.


I'm too new here to post live links. After somebody verifies this link, will you please start a post that can be 'stickied', with an approiate title? THanks in advance. Frank

[wussadotcom]

I didn't know it was this serious. After I realised a few hours after I got scammed I immedietly emailed Godaddy Official Support Team and they were very responsive and helped me out a lot. I got my domains back after a week (and that was because I followed the procedured late) all-in-all if I were faster I could have get my domains back in just 2 days because after I submitted all the required forms the next day I got my domains back.

Godaddy has a system were the domains are locked down for a whole 10days after complaint was submitted. I submitted my claim on the 11th day but still got it back.

So, that was why I got really confused on why a lot of people hasn't got their scammed domains back.

p/s- I am not working or getting any income whatsoever by writing this post coz this is my true expierince. I was scammed in DP and you can see my post
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=675180
where I was scammed.

[tinner666]

We posted about the same time. Go to the link I provided and let them know.

[wagz]

I didn't know it was this serious. After I realised a few hours after I got scammed I immedietly emailed Godaddy Official Support Team and they were very responsive and helped me out a lot. I got my domains back after a week (and that was because I followed the procedured late) all-in-all if I were faster I could have get my domains back in just 2 days because after I submitted all the required forms the next day I got my domains back.

Godaddy has a system were the domains are locked down for a whole 10days after complaint was submitted. I submitted my claim on the 11th day but still got it back.

So, that was why I got really confused on why a lot of people hasn't got their scammed domains back.

p/s- I am not working or getting any income whatsoever by writing this post coz this is my true expierince. I was scammed in DP and you can see my post
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=675180
where I was scammed.

not sure how they helped you out, b/c it seems like everyone of us in the past several days that has had this happened have emailed & called & emailed & called only to hear "we dont get involved in 3rd party disputes, had you used our auction site tdnam we could have helped"

glad it worked for you, but my 30+ emails to them cc'ing my attorney & ICANN all came back w/ the same bullshit responses.

Its no dispute, its a scam and they allow it!

[siteman]

I didn't know it was this serious. After I realised a few hours after I got scammed I immedietly emailed Godaddy Official Support Team and they were very responsive and helped me out a lot. I got my domains back after a week (and that was because I followed the procedured late) all-in-all if I were faster I could have get my domains back in just 2 days because after I submitted all the required forms the next day I got my domains back.

Godaddy has a system were the domains are locked down for a whole 10days after complaint was submitted. I submitted my claim on the 11th day but still got it back.

So, that was why I got really confused on why a lot of people hasn't got their scammed domains back.

p/s- I am not working or getting any income whatsoever by writing this post coz this is my true expierince. I was scammed in DP and you can see my post
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=675180
where I was scammed.


Wussa,

Can you elaborate a bit more how you contact GD and what info is required?
I've holding back selling GD domains because of all these scamming,
and your experience will be very helpful for all of us.

[wagz]

my friend on my forum posted this....no real new info, just funny to hear it from some1 that worked at GD for a bit:


Yeah, 'money in account' means jack shit with PayPal... someone can reverse payment up to the point of you actually removing that money from the account. I refuse to use them for anything due to this.

I worked at GoDaddy for 6 months on a contract awhile ago. They don't care. It's as simple as that. Most registrars don't. Once you have authorized a transfer, there is very little anyone can do, even if it was done fraudulently.

[wussadotcom]

MY GODADDY EXPERIENCE

Thats really simple.
The first thing when I realised I lost my domain for free (scammed) is that I replied to the email from support@godaddy.com the email - "telling me that I have intiatiated transfer" @ confirmation letter.

The support department told me to email this to undo@godaddy.com about my request and the undo department replied to my email
The email was about like this:
" We have locked the domains XXX.com,XXX.com,xxxx.com for 10 days to allow transfering back the domains. Please fill in the form attached and send it back in 10days or else we will consider this case closed."

and they gave me documents to fill in. I fill it up and took pictures of it and then send it back.
The first pictures was a bit cloudy so they asked me to take the pics again so I did. The second time I emailed the completed form back - the following day I got an email - please open a new account a Godaddy to allow us to transfer the domain xxx.com, xxx.com, xxx.com back to you. Please send us the Customer ID code..
I got back the domains and manage to sell it back here at DP without any problem.

Cheers.:D

It was simple and easy.Not to mention they allowed me to take pictures as I don't have any scanner:)

p/s- thats why I mentioned how could DP members got scammed and lost domains up to thousands of bucks via godaddy registrar.
:confused:

[Gomar]

That's bad news. Paypal sucks, never served me any good always helped the scammers.

[wagz]

MY GODADDY EXPERIENCE

Thats really simple.
The first thing when I realised I lost my domain for free (scammed) is that I replied to the email from support@godaddy.com the email - "telling me that I have intiatiated transfer" @ confirmation letter.

The support department told me to email this to undo@godaddy.com about my request and the undo department replied to my email
The email was about like this:
" We have locked the domains XXX.com,XXX.com,xxxx.com for 10 days to allow transfering back the domains. Please fill in the form attached and send it back in 10days or else we will consider this case closed."

and they gave me documents to fill in. I fill it up and took pictures of it and then send it back.
The first pictures was a bit cloudy so they asked me to take the pics again so I did. The second time I emailed the completed form back - the following day I got an email - please open a new account a Godaddy to allow us to transfer the domain xxx.com, xxx.com, xxx.com back to you. Please send us the Customer ID code..
I got back the domains and manage to sell it back here at DP without any problem.

Cheers.:D

It was simple and easy.Not to mention they allowed me to take pictures as I don't have any scanner:)

p/s- thats why I mentioned how could DP members got scammed and lost domains up to thousands of bucks via godaddy registrar.
:confused:

thats pretty impressive, i have yet to hear any of us have such an experience w/ them.....so far all of us get the same BS "we dont get involved in 3rd party disputes" letter

[bgmv]

not sure how they helped you out, b/c it seems like everyone of us in the past several days that has had this happened have emailed & called & emailed & called only to hear "we dont get involved in 3rd party disputes, had you used our auction site tdnam we could have helped"

glad it worked for you, but my 30+ emails to them cc'ing my attorney & ICANN all came back w/ the same bullshit responses.

Its no dispute, its a scam and they allow it!

Thanks for posting my article on your forum Wagz. We really need to get together and crush PayPal and GoDaddy. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Fuck, maybe they are the ones scamming...doesnt that make an interesting theory

[OpenForSale.com]

This is BAD news!
I got burned by GoDaddy a long long time ago although it was a completely different issue. After half a dozen emails requesting for help, it was obvious I was getting nowhere. I lost several important domains because of that.

First thing I did was to transfer all my domains away from them to another registrar.

If everyone here does this, it would be a quick way to 'hurt' them. And who knows, may even force them to make some changes to protect their own clients from the scammers.

[bgmv]

They dont care bout a hundred or thousdand domains being transfered, they already got your reg fee.

In response to the Undo of Change form that wussadotcom was talking about, it seems that you got really lucky. Because this is the response I got from them after asking about it.

"Thank you for contacting us. In your previous emails you explained that you sold your domains and since then pay pal has reversed the payment. Since you entered into an agreement with another party to sell the domains, GoDaddy can not get involved with 3rd party purchase agreements.



Any further disputes over the ownership or wording of the domain name will need to be sent either to the registrant, through an arbitration forum such as World Intellectual Property Organization (http://www.wipo.int), or the court system. Please be assured that if we receive notice of a pending legal dispute we will lock the name so that it cannot be transferred or otherwise modified. Likewise when we receive a Decision we will update the name accordingly.



Thank you.



Undo Department"

Same generic bullshit...they get so many of these emails a day that they even have an automated response that filters out key words, I doubt anyone even reads them.

[wagz]

They dont care bout a hundred or thousdand domains being transfered, they already got your reg fee.

In response to the Undo of Change form that wussadotcom was talking about, it seems that you got really lucky. Because this is the response I got from them after asking about it.

"Thank you for contacting us. In your previous emails you explained that you sold your domains and since then pay pal has reversed the payment. Since you entered into an agreement with another party to sell the domains, GoDaddy can not get involved with 3rd party purchase agreements.



Any further disputes over the ownership or wording of the domain name will need to be sent either to the registrant, through an arbitration forum such as World Intellectual Property Organization (http://www.wipo.int), or the court system. Please be assured that if we receive notice of a pending legal dispute we will lock the name so that it cannot be transferred or otherwise modified. Likewise when we receive a Decision we will update the name accordingly.



Thank you.



Undo Department"

Same generic bullshit...they get so many of these emails a day that they even have an automated response that filters out key words, I doubt anyone even reads them.

that seems to be their standard BS stance

[GreenGambler]

GoDaddy is allowing the scammers to get away with this.. How could they not freeze a domain name once being told it is stolen. Do they even try to contact the current, scammer owner? Do they not see all the domain names being funneled into this guys account/IP address? ARE THEY BLIND?

[OpenForSale.com]

They dont care bout a hundred or thousdand domains being transfered, they already got your reg fee.

Actually, these registrars thrive on your renewals. And if you're using them you'll probably register more domains with them as well. But if you're using a different registrar, then you don't give them another cent. If enough of us start doing that, then godaddy will sit up and take notice.

YOU won't be a victim anymore if you're not using them!

The point is: if godaddy is "helping" the scammers with their inaction, why continue to use them and then cry. The scammers have found a loophole in godaddy and unfortunately godaddy does not think it is serious enough to plug it. Another scammer will find another loophole and a whole new round of scams will make its round.

[noli_m]

Still don't believe this one, unless I will experience it in the future. But to this date, both PP and GD works well with their respective segment industry. I hope every huge company like them can protect both all their users and customers for a smooth process of transactions and become a well trusted companies....

[GreenGambler]

Please list all your stolen domains here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=6560752#post6560752

Only list your names and keep it clean and simple, this is to have one spot with all the stolen domains listed and nothing else for easy reference.

[bgmv]

Has anyone actually read GD Legal Agreement with Domain Registrations? It doesnt mention not intervening in the case of a third party dispute, in fact it says that if legal action is taken they will suspend the account in question. So, 1 lawyer can file a disupute for X amount of names and the domains will all be frozen.

Heres the link: check out sections 3,4,7 and 8
http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?pageid=REG_SA&ci=8058

I had to post this, these stolen domains are being used under false pretences and I will claim defamation of character. Check out the bold parts of that agreement, why have they not suspended the account?????
"7. restriction of services; right of refusal

You agree not to use the services provided by Go Daddy, or to allow or enable others, to use the services provided by Go Daddy for the purposes of:


The transmission of unsolicited email (Spam).
Repetitive, high volume inquires into any of the services provided by Go Daddy (i.e. domain name availability, etc.).
If You are hosting Your domain's domain name servers ("DNS") on Go Daddy's servers, or are using our systems to forward a domain, URL, or otherwise to a system or site hosted elsewhere, or if You have your domain name registered with Go Daddy, You are responsible for ensuring that there is no excessive overloading on Go Daddy's DNS systems. You may not use Go Daddy's servers and Your domain as a source, intermediary, reply to address, or destination address for mail bombs, Internet packet flooding, packet corruption, or other abusive attack. Server hacking or other perpetration of security breaches is prohibited. You agree that Go Daddy reserves the right to deactivate Your domain name from its DNS system if Go Daddy deems it is the recipient of activities caused by your site that threaten the stability of its network.
You agree that Go Daddy, in its sole discretion and without liability to You, may refuse to accept the registration of any domain name. Go Daddy also may in its sole discretion and without liability to You delete the registration of any domain name during the first thirty (30) days after registration has taken place. Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; and activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way. In the event Go Daddy refuses a registration or deletes an existing registration during the first thirty (30) days after registration, You will receive a refund of any fees paid to Go Daddy in connection with the registration either being canceled or refused. In the event Go Daddy deletes the registration of a domain name being used in association with spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued."

[GreenGambler]

Has anyone actually read GD Legal Agreement with Domain Registrations? It doesnt mention not intervening in the case of a third party dispute, in fact it says that if legal action is taken they will suspend the account in question. So, 1 lawyer can file a disupute for X amount of names and the domains will all be frozen.

Heres the link: check out sections 3,4,7 and 8
http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?pageid=REG_SA&ci=8058

I had to post this, these stolen domains are being used under false pretences and I will claim defamation of character. Check out the bold parts of that agreement, why have they not suspended the account?????
"7. restriction of services; right of refusal

You agree not to use the services provided by Go Daddy, or to allow or enable others, to use the services provided by Go Daddy for the purposes of:


The transmission of unsolicited email (Spam).
Repetitive, high volume inquires into any of the services provided by Go Daddy (i.e. domain name availability, etc.).
If You are hosting Your domain's domain name servers ("DNS") on Go Daddy's servers, or are using our systems to forward a domain, URL, or otherwise to a system or site hosted elsewhere, or if You have your domain name registered with Go Daddy, You are responsible for ensuring that there is no excessive overloading on Go Daddy's DNS systems. You may not use Go Daddy's servers and Your domain as a source, intermediary, reply to address, or destination address for mail bombs, Internet packet flooding, packet corruption, or other abusive attack. Server hacking or other perpetration of security breaches is prohibited. You agree that Go Daddy reserves the right to deactivate Your domain name from its DNS system if Go Daddy deems it is the recipient of activities caused by your site that threaten the stability of its network.
You agree that Go Daddy, in its sole discretion and without liability to You, may refuse to accept the registration of any domain name. Go Daddy also may in its sole discretion and without liability to You delete the registration of any domain name during the first thirty (30) days after registration has taken place. Go Daddy may also cancel the registration of a domain name, after thirty (30) days, if that name is being used, as determined by Go Daddy in its sole discretion, in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; and activities designed to harm or use unethically minors in any way. In the event Go Daddy refuses a registration or deletes an existing registration during the first thirty (30) days after registration, You will receive a refund of any fees paid to Go Daddy in connection with the registration either being canceled or refused. In the event Go Daddy deletes the registration of a domain name being used in association with spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued."



Yep, I read over that thing to and again, I agree with your bold points. .

I actually asked the GoDaddy rep whom I spoke with to help me better understand it from there point of view because from what I read there really is no reason for them not to help me out. He refused saying he was not a lawyer, he then said I need to have a lawyer call their legal department..

Any lawyers wanna get some good PR, take this case for us?

[bgmv]

Here is the link to report inconsistent WhoIs

DISABLE POPUPS

http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?se=%2B&app%5Fhdr=

[mediology]

This is nothing new in the domain industry.
I was almost a victim of this 4 letter scam. If I was willing to use Paypal I would have been a victim as well.
The thing is Godaddy really can't do much. Who's to say that you are not trying to fraudulently acquire/steal the domains back after a legitimate sale? (Of course I know this is not what is going on. Just giving you their perspective).
The same with Paypal. The buyer used a hacked account and made a fraudulent purchase. Paypal has 100% protection against this. Regardless of how large or small the seller is if it was a fraudulent purchase via a hacked account it will be reversed.
If the PP account was not hijacked it is still very hard to win a dispute when it comes to a digital transaction. There is no signed shipping receipt etc. I have lost a lot of money due to this type of charge back as I sell subscriptions on one of my sites.

There are TONS of lawsuits against PP some being class action suits but remember Paypal has DEEP pockets making it not worth the trouble in most cases. Unless you can prove damages in the $xxx,xxx range a lawsuit just wouldnt' be worth it IMO.
The same would hold true for Godaddy. Once you agreed to the transfer they are out of the equation. If your account were hijacked it would be a different story.

With all of that said I would think Godaddy could be of more assistance. They certainly have enough reps. to call me when my domains are up for renewal. I'm sure they could add a few employees to help with claims of fraudulent transactions. This would be more of a PR move than anything else. Keeping their customers happy would in turn increase their good will hence increasing their sales.

At any rate the best thing we can do is be heard so others do not fall victim to these types of scams.

[bgmv]

I THINK I GOT SOMETHING!!!!

CHECK THIS LINK TO DESIHACKERZ.COM -- HUGE LEAD (http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:sWXEAHwUCiEJ:www.desihackerz.com/index.php%3Fshowuser%3D29933+mstearns84&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us)

Mstearns84@hotmail.com was the owner of the paypal account that paid me. This guy HKSTEVE posted the username, and password the same day I got scammed.

Desi is Indian so its a possiblity that this dude is Indian and lives in Canada. I know not alot but we can trace HKSTEVE.

Also the IP address comes up in the address bar: 209.85.207.104, it leads to GOOGLE--> BOBWILKOK@GMAIL.COM

People are paying this guy for stolen paypal accounts!

Also look what his email is further down: IDIOTENGLISH@HOTMAIL.COM

IT ALL LEADS TO: YOU GUESSED IT! (THE AMAZING MEHBOOB) Someone please verify this!
Registrant:
Mehboob Charania
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ILLEGALBLOG.COM
Created on: 28-Apr-06
Expires on: 28-Apr-08
Last Updated on: 10-Feb-08

Administrative Contact:
Charania, Mehboob
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States
8322760754 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Charania, Mehboob
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States
8322760754 Fax --

[wagz]

I THINK I GOT SOMETHING!!!!

CHECK THIS LINK TO DESIHACKERZ.COM -- HUGE LEAD

Mstearns84@hotmail.com was the owner of the paypal account that paid me. This guy HKSTEVE posted the username, and password the same day I got scammed.

Desi is Indian so its a possiblity that this dude is Indian and lives in Canada. I know not alot but we can trace HKSTEVE.

Also the IP address comes up in the address bar: 209.85.207.104, it leads to GOOGLE--> BOBWILKOK@GMAIL.COM

People are paying this guy for stolen paypal accounts!

Also look what his email is further down: IDIOTENGLISH@HOTMAIL.COM

IT ALL LEADS TO: YOU GUESSED IT! (THE AMAZING MEHBOOB) Someone please verify this!
Registrant:
Mehboob Charania
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ILLEGALBLOG.COM
Created on: 28-Apr-06
Expires on: 28-Apr-08
Last Updated on: 10-Feb-08

Administrative Contact:
Charania, Mehboob
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States
8322760754 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Charania, Mehboob
216 Willow Pointe Dr.
League City, Texas 77573
United States
8322760754 Fax --

mehboob is who gave me my domains back, he had all 20 saying they were sold to him about 10hrs after i got scammed from Linksys9/creampie (on here) Gearhut100 (on AIM) .... he also seemed to have all the domains that were scammed from that weekend other than beautyinmd's

thats my 411, not much but its what i got

it seems like a lot of PP & DP phishing going on either way

[bgmv]

edited, I forgot the link

[bgmv]

wagz, how did you get them back? phone or email?

[wagz]

wagz, how did you get them back? phone or email?

mehboob apparently was Axis9 on here....he posted in a thread on here & said he was the seller and to contact him about getting the domains back & gave his AIM name....so i contacted him & he pushed them back to me.

He was "Cybershadow05" on AIM

edit - i had called the # i found for him doing a reverse lookup earlier that day and apparently spoke w/ his daughter, she said he wasnt home.

[bgmv]

does anyone else think that MEHBOOB could be the right guy?

[GreenGambler]

That is some good info bgmv.. Maybe I need to give Mehoob a call and see if he has my names too.

[real1]

I contacted Mehoob and he is claiming complete innocense,the best way is to forward this info to FBI and let them pick him up.

[JMJ]

You would think with all of Paypal's security measures they claim to have in place and all of the people working over there that they would figure out the easiest way to combat this is to suspend accounts with multiple charge backs within a 24 hour time frame or something along those lines. Hell a couple a month should be too much. I haven't had to do it once in the 7-8 years I've been with them.

[bgmv]

I contacted Mehoob and he is claiming complete innocense,the best way is to forward this info to FBI and let them pick him up.

Absolutely...there is pretty much factual data that he was in posession of the Paypal Username: mstearns84@hotmail.com and the password on the same day that he scammed me and 5 other people...hmmm...coincidence i think not.

He then posted the username and password to get others to be the scapegoat, making him look innocent and hoping the guilt of others would divert attention

[nickflame]

i think the fault stays on the people who get scammed... You are always taught that everyone should protect you and when it does not happen, you start to cry like a baby. Be a men, and deal with your situation. Why do you rely on paypal and godaddy? IT is YOUR responsability, and YOUR fault. It is like someone is coming to ask you to rent a car for a while, you give him the keys, he steals the car, and after that you go and cry to the police cause you got your car stolen. It is YOUR fault, cause you landed the car in the first place.

If you were to buy the domains directly from godaddy, or use a broker for transactions-like sedo- then there would not be any problems. But once you decide to deal directly with people, then make sure to find out who are you dealing with.

Lots of losers here complaining they get scammed... You do not want to get scammed? Use a broker agency if you are incapable of protecting yourself.

[bgmv]

im not crying, nor am i relying on GD or PP. im trying to solve this problem alone. im simply warning fellow domainers about what can happen to them if they dont take the necessary precautions

[wagz]

i think the fault stays on the people who get scammed... You are always taught that everyone should protect you and when it does not happen, you start to cry like a baby. Be a men, and deal with your situation. Why do you rely on paypal and godaddy? IT is YOUR responsability, and YOUR fault. It is like someone is coming to ask you to rent a car for a while, you give him the keys, he steals the car, and after that you go and cry to the police cause you got your car stolen. It is YOUR fault, cause you landed the car in the first place.

If you were to buy the domains directly from godaddy, or use a broker for transactions-like sedo- then there would not be any problems. But once you decide to deal directly with people, then make sure to find out who are you dealing with.

Lots of losers here complaining they get scammed... You do not want to get scammed? Use a broker agency if you are incapable of protecting yourself.

u certainly have a fucked up view of things....now its the innocents/honest peoples fault that they get scammed by someone who steals legit accounts & acts in such a way to seem legit. PP & GD have loopholes and this scammer is exploiting those for his/her own gain. There are lessons to be learned here for sure, but its not pointing the finger at those honest people who've gotten taken, the finger needs to be pointed at the fucking theives.

[wagz]

Absolutely...there is pretty much factual data that he was in posession of the Paypal Username: mstearns84@hotmail.com and the password on the same day that he scammed me and 5 other people...hmmm...coincidence i think not.

He then posted the username and password to get others to be the scapegoat, making him look innocent and hoping the guilt of others would divert attention

lots of stuff on NP pointed towards him, he claimed it wasnt and seemed helpful....but its odd that most of the domains were w/ him & so much shit pointed towards him.

hard to say though

[avis03]

why dont u people just get DP to get the ips of the people or the id which you have been buying from on dp. maybe that will help?

[bgmv]

why dont u people just get DP to get the ips of the people or the id which you have been buying from on dp. maybe that will help?

they cant do that, ive already asked.

why dont you just PM me the email or handle of the guy that you bought these names from, because he is the culprit and your involved

[avis03]

why dont u people just get DP to get the ips of the people or the id which you have been buying from on dp. maybe that will help?

sorry selling to in your cases since Im the one who bought. btw, the ids which I bought the stolen domains are: yoshmit and linksys

[real1]

"why dont you just PM me the email or handle of the guy that you bought these names from, because he is the culprit and your involved"

He can't do it,it will complecated him as part of the scam.

[bgmv]

sorry selling to in your cases since Im the one who bought. btw, the ids which I bought the stolen domains are: yoshmit and linksys

Which domains are you referring to? Please post a list of all the domains you bought.

I dont know if youve ever heard the term "Guilty by association" but it certainly does apply. Also your english sucks just as bad as the other scammers, coincidence?

[avis03]

"why dont you just PM me the email or handle of the guy that you bought these names from, because he is the culprit and your involved"

He can't do it,it will complecated him as part of the scam.

yoshimit and linksys8 are the 2 DP ids. I realized later that they both gave me same paypal email addy to send their payments to and that is berserkv@gmail.com

thats all the info i have on the scammer. let me know how else i can help

[avis03]

Which domains are you referring to? Please post a list of all the domains you bought.

I dont know if youve ever heard the term "Guilty by association" but it certainly does apply. Also your english sucks just as bad as the other scammers, coincidence?

posted you the 20 LLLL.com I bought from "yoshimit". Here is the other transaction of domains I got from "linksys8":

WILDWOODGALLERY.US
5BM.NET
BARECONTENT.COM
COEDFUCKED.COM
5JV.NET
BIGGSBIZ.COM
FEMDOMSUPREMACY.COM
ILLEGALBLOG.COM
EKMCLOTHING.COM
CUMZU.COM
MLMHELPER.COM
FOYY.NET
JIAN.BIZ
MAXK.BIZ
VERYNAUGHTYGIRLS.COM
WEBSITEHITSNOW.COM
THEAUTOMOTIVETIMES.COM
VYKC.COM
VYWV.COM
QW1.NET
PBPR.NET
PBLB.NET
PBMB.NET
PBRB.NET
MYBIDS.INFO
NXL.ORG

almost all of them have been returned except the some i told u of in the other thread. thanks.

[GoDaddyResponse]

Why GoDaddy.com (or any other registrar, for that matter) cannot get involved in these types of disputes:

Any established registrar is bound by the rules of the ICANN's UDRP (The Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy).

The UDRP prohibits the registrar from becoming involved in any type of domain name dispute between two parties without direction from a court or arbitration forum.

The purpose of this rule is to prevent registrars from playing the role of a judge or jury which they cannot (or should not do). A registrar is not a legal body. Can you imagine if it was up to the registrar to interpret agreements between two parties or to decide who had rights to domain names in any kind of domain dispute? That is why ICANN put the UDRP in place, so that registrars are prevented from playing the judge in such matters.

Unfortunately, registrants feel that they should be protected by their registrar no matter what kind of shady dealings they might decide to take part in. A registrar cannot be responsible for a registrant's bad choice. Likewise, a registrant needs to take responsibility in a transaction that the registrar had nothing to do with.

What you can do to keep yourself from getting in this type of predicament:

If you are buying or selling a name it always makes more sense to go through a legitimate aftermarket site (like TDNAM) or an escrow service before committing to a purchase or sale.

Yes, TDNAM is an aftermarket site that you can go to protect yourself against fraud. But this is not a sales pitch. This is an attempt to try to prevent others from making the same mistake. You don't have to go through TDNAM. But please, if the domain is worth something to you, or you are paying something substantial, be smart about it; go through a legitimate aftermarket site or an escrow service before committing to a purchase or a sale. As we all know, there are scammers out there. So, protect yourself and watch out.

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GoDaddy.com, Inc.

[real1]

Scamer is back:
Today, 10:02 am User ID: savdst
domains

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Domain Name : b10.com
7 year domain
Registrar: Dynadot
Results 15,500,000 for b10
Bin Price : $2000
Give ur bid

Domain Name : k5z.com
5 year domain
Registrar: Dynadot
Bin Price : $300
Give ur bid

Domain Name: h9v.com
5 year domain
Registrar: Dynadot
Bin Price : $250
Give ur bid

I can transfer domains to ur registrar
Payment method : e-gold

regards

Proof:
https://www.dynadot.com/account/forum/f4-payment-issues/i-think-i-just-got-scammed-1676.html

From e_manhattan_us
To jamal_jo
Subject Re: Re: Question About: h9v.com
Date Feb 6, 2008 01:38 PST
Folder Inbox
Size 549

1200$ and we have a deal,thats my last offer,thank you.

> Hello,
> I`ve got better offer than your`s 400 for each domain:
> H9V.com
> K5Z.com
> LZ9.com
> but i`m willing to sell each with the proce of $500
> All with the price of $1300
> That is my last price
> Your messages says that you want all the three names fir the price $1000
> i think you can pay more $300 to get the offer
> H9V.com
> K5Z.com
> LZ9.com
> For $1300
> Thanks

[GreenGambler]

Why GoDaddy.com (or any other registrar, for that matter) cannot get involved in these types of disputes:

How is it a dispute when you cannot even contact the scammer who is the current registrant? Especially when the whois info on file is another person's stolen identity. A dispute takes two parties and I am pretty sure that you will not hear a peep from the scammer.

Meanwhile, GoDaddy allows the scammer to sell these names to yet another unsuspecting individual, causing someone else to get scammed. IMO, if a domain is reported as stolen you should at least freeze the account so that it cannot be sold, and sold and sold again. What if 30 days down the road I do get a direct order from the court for GoDaddy to give my names back? And the names have already been sold by the scammer to another person. That person will be out the money and the names would be returned to me. A situation that GoDaddy could have prevented by freezing the domains from being transfered.



Unfortunately, registrants feel that they should be protected by their registrar no matter what kind of shady dealings they might decide to take part in. A registrar cannot be responsible for a registrant's bad choice. Likewise, a registrant needs to take responsibility in a transaction that the registrar had nothing to do with.



I didn't know that using DP and other forums was considered "Shady Dealings" and a "Bad Choice".



Your current "rules" allow for scammers to take advantage of registrants that use GoDaddy. Scammers specifically target GoDaddy domain names, why is that?

Your answer, to me, sounds like GoDaddy is takeing a very weak/passive position towards scammers and hideing behind a grey area. I have heard reports from reliable people, of other registrars that do help to retrieve stolen domains and that GoDaddy has done it for some of there VIP customers.


This is a classic case of "What would you Do?" "What is right?"

Rather do the "right thing", It appears to me that GoDaddy chooses to use the legal grey areas and recent scammer activity as a way to promote TDNAM.

[wagz]

How is it a dispute when you cannot even contact the scammer who is the current registrant? Especially when the whois info on file is another person's stolen identity. A dispute takes two parties and I am pretty sure that you will not hear a peep from the scammer.

Meanwhile, GoDaddy allows the scammer to sell these names to yet another unsuspecting individual, causing someone else to get scammed. IMO, if a domain is reported as stolen you should at least freeze the account so that it cannot be sold, and sold and sold again. What if 30 days down the road I do get a direct order from the court for GoDaddy to give my names back? And the names have already been sold by the scammer to another person. That person will be out the money and the names would be returned to me. A situation that GoDaddy could have prevented by freezing the domains from being transfered.




I didn't know that using DP and other forums was considered "Shady Dealings" and a "Bad Choice".



Your current "rules" allow for scammers to take advantage of registrants that use GoDaddy. Scammers specifically target GoDaddy domain names, why is that?

Your answer, to me, sounds like GoDaddy is takeing a very weak/passive position towards scammers and hideing behind a grey area. I have heard reports from reliable people, of other registrars that do help to retrieve stolen domains and that GoDaddy has done it for some of there VIP customers.


This is a classic case of "What would you Do?" "What is right?"

Rather do the "right thing", It appears to me that GoDaddy chooses to use the legal grey areas and recent scammer activity as a way to promote TDNAM.

nice points my friend!