Private (Paid membership) areas?

[Game Producer]

Currently DP forums are a great resource, filled with lots of great articles. The bad side is: there's quite a lot of noise too.

I was wondering if putting together a paid membership (anything from $50 - $100 per year for example) would be a good option? These "premium members" could get an access to private forums, which at least some "first-post spammers" and those who reply with one-liners like "nice stuff" or "content is the king!" couldn't reach. :)

And of course premium membership would get people a nice badge too :D

I'd be really interested in having private marketing/biz/adsense/seo/affiliate (for starters) sections with less noise.

[sundaybrew]

I second that , A place for more SERIOUS players ,

I think this would be awesome :)

[Gursimran]

No, don't like the idea at all.
It should be free, If you want to make some forums private then for members with 1000+ posts.

[Game Producer]

No, don't like the idea at all.
It should be free, If you want to make some forums private then for members with 1000+ posts.

That's exactly NOT how it should work. :)

Private membership should be for QUALITY instead of QUANTITY. If it was for "1000+" posters, that would just encourage people to post as often as possible.

Spending few bucks yearly is no problem for people who want to have less-noise discussions

[sundaybrew]

That's exactly NOT how it should work. :)

Private membership should be for QUALITY instead of QUANTITY. If it was for "1000+" posters, that would just encourage people to post as often as possible.

Spending few bucks yearly is no problem for people who want to have less-noise discussions

Agreed and some will never "get it"

They just think that QUANTITY is everything,....sheeeesh

But then again, thats all they know, Its kinda like the dope dealers.

They just peddle drugs , cause no one has shown them the better way.....

I still vote for this :)

[arpitagarwal82]

That's exactly NOT how it should work. :)

Private membership should be for QUALITY instead of QUANTITY. If it was for "1000+" posters, that would just encourage people to post as often as possible.

Spending few bucks yearly is no problem for people who want to have less-noise discussions

I like the idea for sure. But the 1000 post barrier will encourage people to spam the forums with their shit posts.
Thew problem of noise is really complex.
You implement a solution and that solution inturn creates a new problem.

[Game Producer]

I like the idea for sure. But the 1000 post barrier will encourage people to spam the forums with their shit posts.
Thew problem of noise is really complex.
You implement a solution and that solution inturn creates a new problem.

The idea is that NO POST limit. It should be PAID private forums. That's it.

[Kagato]

How about a small monthly fee instead of a yearly one?

Might be better for users who want to learn more and have a smaller budget.

[Game Producer]

How about a small monthly fee instead of a yearly one?

Might be better for users who want to learn more and have a smaller budget.

well, yearly + monthly options shouldn't be a big deal.

[arpitagarwal82]

The idea is that NO POST limit. It should be PAID private forums. That's it.

The idea of paid forums had been suggested many times and every time it was rejected by DP staff.
DP is undergoing some changes. (see new announcement by Crazy_Rob about VCC)
I hope the changes work out and we can see some good results.
Anyways. I just love DP.. So for me, it wont be a big trouble if nothing changes at all.

Mods are great in doing their job and kick the spammers out of this forum. All we need is just an active participation from members.
Do report all the post which are against the guidelines of DP.

[GuyFromChicago]

Feel free to discuss but Shawn (the DP owner) has said many times he's not interested in having a paid section of the forum. Maybe he's changed his mind but if so he's keeping it a secret.

[rivermember123456]

No ,
this forum earns enough form google adsense

[zacdavis]

No ,
this forum earns enough form google adsense

That has nothing to do with the point. The point would be to provide a separate section of the forums for serious people, not the 12 year olds who think they are awesome because they can flip domains for $1 profit each time. I would support this.

[Game Producer]

Feel free to discuss but Shawn (the DP owner) has said many times he's not interested in having a paid section of the forum. Maybe he's changed his mind but if so he's keeping it a secret.

That has nothing to do with the point. The point would be to provide a separate section of the forums for serious people, not the 12 year olds who think they are awesome because they can flip domains for $1 profit each time. I would support this.

Yes... I would also like to point out that "listening to market" is a pretty good idea ;)

Basically... we guys want to pour money into Shawns pockets - how that's something that cannot happen. If it's "need more mods"... then simply give somebody (reliable) a free access & let him moderate.

If it's "requires effort", then hire somebody to handle that extra effort. If 10,000 DP members put $100 per year, that's $1,000,000 extra money per year. $1M gets him to hire quite many helpers. If "only" 1,000 DP members choose $100 per year... that's still pretty decent extra $100,000 per year.

Money is on the table... so... how about taking it :)

[sundaybrew]

Yes... I would also like to point out that "listening to market" is a pretty good idea ;)

Basically... we guys want to pour money into Shawns pockets - how that's something that cannot happen. If it's "need more mods"... then simply give somebody (reliable) a free access & let him moderate.

If it's "requires effort", then hire somebody to handle that extra effort. If 10,000 DP members put $100 per year, that's $1,000,000 extra money per year. $1M gets him to hire quite many helpers. If "only" 1,000 DP members choose $100 per year... that's still pretty decent extra $100,000 per year.

Money is on the table... so... how about taking it :)


I agree and well said again,

I am sure Shawn could use another million,

After all he just built that new house :)

AND we could use paid section :)

[GuyFromChicago]

Yes... I would also like to point out that "listening to market" is a pretty good idea ;)

Sometimes.;)

A paid forum would be be fine with me but this isn't my forum. I was just telling you what I've seen Shawn say for years...he's not interested in running a paid forum. Maybe he will change his mind, who knows.

It's not at all about moderation - a paid section of a forum would require far, far less moderation than the free sections.

[sundaybrew]

- a paid section of a forum would require far, far less moderation than the free sections.

And the members of the paid section would look forward to the new threads. :)

I bet the report button would never get hit in the paid areas :)

But - YEA - Shawn has said NO, a bunch of times, BUT hey look how the BST is getting cleaned up :)

I bet the money exchangers never thought that would happen,

So, There is ALWAYS hope :)

[eddie43302]

Dumb idea that wont happen.

[GuyFromChicago]

But - YEA - Shawn has said NO, a bunch of times, BUT hey look how the BST is getting cleaned up :)


Not really the same thing. The cleanup of BST doesn't require Shawn's attention, help or approval. A paid section of the forum would. Like I said though, maybe he will change his mind at some point.

[sundaybrew]

Not really the same thing. The cleanup of BST doesn't require Shawn's attention, help or approval. A paid section of the forum would. Like I said though, maybe he will change his mind at some point.


Oh yea, I stand corrected, :)

I can dream can't I ?:p

[GuyFromChicago]

I can dream can't I ?:p

Yes, although we may disallow the buying, selling or trading of dreams in the BST sections of the forum:D

[arpitagarwal82]

Yes, although we may disallow the buying, selling or trading of dreams in the BST sections of the forum:D

Can I offer them in freebie section?? :p:p:p

[BlueDevilMedia]

It won't happen. Most members would just leave and go to free forums.

[RectangleMan]

I paid hundreds of dollars for my DNF Exclusive membership and it was worth every penny. IMHO this place could use a paid membership system in order to seperate the noobs from the players.

Shawn would make buttloads of money, scams would be easier to steer away from, and paid members could have extra benefits. Everyone wins.

[peter_anderson]

The idea of paid forums had been suggested many times and every time it was rejected by DP staff.
DP is undergoing some changes. (see new announcement by Crazy_Rob about VCC)
I hope the changes work out and we can see some good results.
Anyways. I just love DP.. So for me, it wont be a big trouble if nothing changes at all.

Mods are great in doing their job and kick the spammers out of this forum. All we need is just an active participation from members.
Do report all the post which are against the guidelines of DP.

yes. premium packages are rubbish!

[sundaybrew]

It won't happen. Most members would just leave and go to free forums.


Dude, we are talking about a "section" being paid, NOT the whole 2 million thread forum :)

Yes, although we may disallow the buying, selling or trading of dreams in the BST sections of the forum:D

Hehe - ok cool !

I paid hundreds of dollars for my DNF Exclusive membership and it was worth every penny. IMHO this place could use a paid membership system in order to seperate the noobs from the players.

Shawn would make buttloads of money, scams would be easier to steer away from, and paid members could have extra benefits. Everyone wins.

Well said, and I also have a PAID membership at Adam's place ( noobs won't know who Adam is.. )

But yea, so does wickedfire and most of the other big ones,

In fact isn't seo moz, webmaster world all paid places as well?

Doesn't seem that Adam, or Rand are worried..

In fact it made them more respected.

I think ONE paid area would be cool

Don't worry folks , you can have the other 3 million "google banned me from adsense " threads all to yourself,

I don't mind !

[The Emirates Gallastico]

I agree with the idea.

$100/year is nothing for peace of (online) mind :)

[0lgi]

I also agree with the OP

It is an interesting idea and I'm sure that more than 500 members would join (imagine $100 per year, its $50,000)

We just need a word from Shawn in this thread so many doubts would be clarified !

[Game Producer]

I paid hundreds of dollars for my DNF Exclusive membership and it was worth every penny. IMHO this place could use a paid membership system in order to seperate the noobs from the players.

Shawn would make buttloads of money, scams would be easier to steer away from, and paid members could have extra benefits. Everyone wins.

My thoughts exactly.

It would be interesting to hear reasons why this wouldn't be a good idea?

[RectangleMan]

I also agree with the OP

It is an interesting idea and I'm sure that more than 500 members would join (imagine $100 per year, its $50,000)

We just need a word from Shawn in this thread so many doubts would be clarified !

It should be a one-time fee imho. Subscriptions might turn people away from the idea imho. A one time membership fee of $20-$50 would suffice imho to weed out the non-players. If it was successful another tier could be added but I don't think it would be needed.

[peter_anderson]

think about what happened at sitepoint. they started charging users, and people started to leave. where did they go? digital point.

[The Emirates Gallastico]

There's a lot less scum at SitePoint though... ;).

And I don't think the OP was advocating all forums be paid - just a couple sections :)

[peter_anderson]

There's a lot less scum at SitePoint though... ;).

And I don't think the OP was advocating all forums be paid - just a couple sections :)

well, how about the BST section becomes a pay-through the site place. to buy/sell anything you have to use a pay processor directly on the site. the site gets 5% comission on anything over £10.

and, if theres a problem with scamming, that person gets their account forzen.

thats my idea :)

[Duality]

think about what happened at sitepoint. they started charging users, and people started to leave. where did they go? digital point.

And now we're stuck with repetitive threads. x]

[sundaybrew]

think about what happened at sitepoint. they started charging users, and people started to leave. where did they go? digital point.


Yea, and they are starting "pr update " , "what is seo", "help I have been banned from google", threads all day long..........You like that ?:p

There's a lot less scum at SitePoint though... ;).

And I don't think the OP was advocating all forums be paid - just a couple sections :)

Yes, Even just one forum, where the REAL serious people could converse....



And now we're stuck with repetitive threads. x]


"repetitive " is being nice and an understatement

The forum is flooded with noobs NOT using the search function...............

[Game Producer]

Yes, Even just one forum, where the REAL serious people could converse....
I don't think any of the existing forums should be made private or start charging for their use. I think the paid membership area should be IN ADDITION to the existing forums. At least some new private forums would be more than enough.

[sundaybrew]

I don't think any of the existing forums should be made private or start charging for their use. I think the paid membership area should be IN ADDITION to the existing forums. At least some new private forums would be more than enough.

Yea, thats what I was saying, sorry if my response was confusing :)

I meant add an additional NEW paid forum, even if it was only one additional forum , is what I meant :D

[Game Producer]

Yea, thats what I was saying, sorry if my response was confusing :)

I meant add an additional NEW paid forum, even if it was only one additional forum , is what I meant :D

Uh, yes - I got the point :D was just trying to confirm that was exactly what I thought as well :D

[GuyFromChicago]

Just curious, why do you folks think charging $20 - $100 for admission would mean people would be any more "serious"? If money is some sort of indicator of a person's professionalism or commitment then we should make it $5,000:)

[sundaybrew]

Just curious, why do you folks think charging $20 - $100 for admission would mean people would be any more "serious"? If money is some sort of indicator of a person's professionalism or commitment then we should make it $5,000:)

Well, thats a HUGE question and I am sure that I and many other people have answers,

But lets keep it simple ands say "


look how good Adam Dickers private areas work
Seomoz.org Premium content
There is a HUGE difference in paid membership people VS non paid.

One thing is for sure the "bottom feeders" would NEVER pay $300 for a membership ....

The kids here would have to ask mom for money and that could take a bunch of chores that they don't want to do.
Someone who is just "dabbling" in the webmaster area would never spend $300AND FOR THE #1 FOR ME at least


If you have 50k for a bmw, and your heart and soul was set on a bmw, and there is no other car you would buy , Would you pay $300 for the test drive , if the dealer would credit the $300 when you bought?I am sure you would

Same Principle :)

OH YEA .

WE ARE also SHORT 20k for the SERVER fund :( (http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/donate.html)

That alone should be good :)

[Game Producer]

Just curious, why do you folks think charging $20 - $100 for admission would mean people would be any more "serious"? If money is some sort of indicator of a person's professionalism or commitment then we should make it $5,000:)

Well, I think some sort of small entry fee would keep 80-90% of first post spammers away.

I don't think it's so much an indicator of person's professionalism. It's more like of an indication of being dude-who-does-not-want-to-see-so-much-spam ;)

[mrgee]

I support the idea. It would be awesome! No more scam, no more spam!

[tushardhoot1]

First, what is this about all kids not being serious?
Secondly, I don't really like the idea, as some people like me didn't start with much money but now make enough to easily cover that fee.

[zacdavis]

First, what is this about all kids not being serious?
Secondly, I don't really like the idea, as some people like me didn't start with much money but now make enough to easily cover that fee.

Just because you and I are serious kids, doesn't mean all of us are.

[tushardhoot1]

Just because you and I are serious kids, doesn't mean all of us are.

I know that, but sundaybrew's comment had a different meaning, I think. I don't know, either way it didn't make me feel good about being a kid. Kind of like being a jew in Nazi Germany.

[zacdavis]

Now you know how I feel when I go to apply for tech jobs in my area. Some of the people literally laugh at me.

[tushardhoot1]

How old are you zacdavis? Thats why I like working online. I can only work at shitty places like McDonald's at my age.

[zacdavis]

I'm 15, and I just went yesterday to apply for jobs, and I went to every single store, and found that I'm too young to freaking work at a Burger King. This is why I've decided to get into online freelance writing and blogging.

[tushardhoot1]

Exactly. Its extremely stupid.

Good luck with your freelance work though.

[The Emirates Gallastico]

I hate all these kids, waste of space all they are :p.

[zacdavis]

Shush, you University Kid!

[sundaybrew]

I know that, but sundaybrew's comment had a different meaning, I think. I don't know, either way it didn't make me feel good about being a kid. Kind of like being a jew in Nazi Germany.

Dude, It was just a suggestion for a PRIVATE forum....

I think your statement is way off base and kind of rude to Jewish people if you ask me,.and bring me into it personally is going way off topic.........considering this thread was just about a forum,

[mitcharr]

Could just be a Donators Subforum in The Digitalpoint, all the donators of $50+ can enter it,

would be cool but i wouldnt waste the money.

[zacdavis]

The University Kid is setting up his own paid forums, maybe we should all just move there.

[Game Producer]

I think we've heard enough of kids versus something talk in this thread - let's continue on-topic now please :)

I don't know why there's no plans for private forums? Looks like many people are in favor it... and I've yet to see good reasons why not setting them up? Sure... it can be a different biz model, so it's understandable - but I still believe one gotta provide what market wants ;)

[JoyGoRound]

That's exactly NOT how it should work. :)

Private membership should be for QUALITY instead of QUANTITY. If it was for "1000+" posters, that would just encourage people to post as often as possible.

Spending few bucks yearly is no problem for people who want to have less-noise discussions
What about the folks that are very high quality, but very broke?

[Game Producer]

What about the folks that are very high quality, but very broke?

They shouldn't:
1) drink so much beer
2) eat fast food so often
3) buy so many new DVDs
4) have so fancy computer & other gadgets

For starters ;)

[qazu]

... I don't know why there's no plans for private forums? Looks like many people are in favor it... and I've yet to see good reasons why not setting them up? Sure... it can be a different biz model, so it's understandable - but I still believe one gotta provide what market wants ;)

I get the feeling that a lot of people are against it as well, I'm with them. Why would anyone to pay for something on the net that they can get for free? How does the willingness to part with one's hard earned cash translate to being serious?

What about the folks that are very high quality, but very broke?
They shouldn't:
1) drink so much beer
2) eat fast food so often
3) buy so many new DVDs
4) have so fancy computer & other gadgets

For starters ;)That looks like a very serious analysis :p

[Game Producer]

I get the feeling that a lot of people are against it as well, I'm with them. Why would anyone to pay for something on the net that they can get for free? How does the willingness to part with one's hard earned cash translate to being serious?
Mentioned already... to decrease the noise level. Time is precious - and limited - resource;)

[Weirfire]

If you were to have a paid membership system what privileges would that entitle you to?

Would the private forums be invisible to the search engines? Would non-paid members be able to read the threads but just not reply?

I think the main problem you have is allowing people the privileges of a paid membership system which does not hamper the ongoing advancement of the forums ability to attract new members.

I for one used the forums nearly every day a couple of years ago and perhaps I still would if there was some sort of place for only quality posts to be posted.

I think it might also be a good idea to have some sort of credits system for the BST section so that you might buy credits at 10 cents per credit and when you start a new thread it takes a credit from you. This would stop of a lot of spamming.

[Jarodboy]

DP problem from my point of view, are the scammers and the spammers and unfortunately they have money too. Probably a lot!
That won't keep them away from a paid sub forum i guess.

[e10]

I agree. Spammers and scammers would just pony up the cash. I don't think a private area is a bad idea but think it should be related to those little green boxes. Those with x number of greens allowed, those without...out.

But I also think that if there were such an area, the most interesting and helpful threads would be locked away in there and there would be less support and help to be found in the main forum. That would be a pity.

[Game Producer]

I also agree that this would have nothing to do with scammers. Those have money too, but it would keep some paid posters that have little value to share away.

From experience... putting a paid fee on something has a nice habit of stopping the crap talk. (Or... at least heavily reducing it.)


DP problem from my point of view, are the scammers and the spammers and unfortunately they have money too. Probably a lot!
That won't keep them away from a paid sub forum i guess.

Then of course they could be banned. Would be pretty expensive spamming to pay $100 to make one post that gets deleted & user banned ;)

I disagree that "spammers have more money" and that paid forums wouldn't keep 80-90% of noise away.

Anyway - it certainly seems that there IS lots of people who DISAGREE.

I agree. Spammers and scammers would just pony up the cash. I don't think a private area is a bad idea but think it should be related to those little green boxes. Those with x number of greens allowed, those without...out.

But I also think that if there were such an area, the most interesting and helpful threads would be locked away in there and there would be less support and help to be found in the main forum. That would be a pity.

That could be an option... altough... then it might leave out those people who prefer to read & learn instead of writing. Don't know.

I think the main problem you have is allowing people the privileges of a paid membership system which does not hamper the ongoing advancement of the forums ability to attract new members.

I for one used the forums nearly every day a couple of years ago and perhaps I still would if there was some sort of place for only quality posts to be posted.
Hmm... so... what you are saying sounds to me that the paid membership could attract new members who:
- are interested quality posts (ie. less-noise that would happen in private areas)
- and you also would be interested in being here more if there was a quality place (private areas)?

I don't get what you mean by "the main problem" - looks to me like it's exactly the good thing? :)

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Seriously: It's great to hear so many comments. I think by spotting the problems that might come with private members area it's easier to go more into this direction.

The idea about "non-paying members could not post" might actually be pretty interesting angle.

I don't know how this should be done... all I know that it would be great to reduce the noise that these wonderful forums happen to have in some discussions. I'm happy with the way things currently are, but still think that private areas might improve this site even more.

[peter_anderson]

Why not make it an invite-only section? If a mod likes you, then you get in :)

[lpstong]

No, don't like the idea at all.
It should be free, If you want to make some forums private then for members with 1000+ posts.
That's exactly NOT how it should work. :)

Private membership should be for QUALITY instead of QUANTITY. If it was for "1000+" posters, that would just encourage people to post as often as possible.

Spending few bucks yearly is no problem for people who want to have less-noise discussions

Agreed. NO quantity should get one person in. I think that would encourage spamming. I have seen many people who posting something like 10, 22 or more posts a day just to get their post count up. Many of the post are sub par or just plain right spammy.

I think a mix of post quantity and paid membership should be thought of. That would taper off on both sides of being a DP user.

1. Ok so if it is 1k posts
and
2. Something like $10 quarterly or semi annually. The proceeds can be used for charity. OR can be split into like a pyramid idea and a trickle down affect. Or a free domain can be given to every time the fee is paid.

[tushardhoot1]

Why don't we make a poll to see where we stand on Yes vs No?

[zacdavis]

Why don't we make a poll to see where we stand on Yes vs No?

It would be a good idea, but wouldn't matter unless someone in power was willing to do it.

[GuyFromChicago]

Why not make it an invite-only section? If a mod likes you, then you get in :)

We have that already, it's the private mod forum;)

[allout]

I know that, but sundaybrew's comment had a different meaning, I think. I don't know, either way it didn't make me feel good about being a kid. Kind of like being a jew in Nazi Germany.

I agree the statement was off base. I have seen many of our younger members more mature than the older ones. Age has nothing to do with how serious you are or how well you behave. (The right person would apologize for such a broad demeaning statement)

As far as the paid section, what is a $100 to a scammer? It would give a more secure feeling to some but will also allow their guard to come down.

The shear size of the forum is what creates the problems with spammers and scammers. The mods are doing a good job of making much needed changes to eliminate many of the problems. Charging for part or all of the forum will cause members to just get fed up and leave. This will not just be the bottom feeders, it will also be many of the quality members.

Digital Point would not be this successful if Shawn did not know what he was doing, I agree with his prior decisions not to have a paid membership.

[Game Producer]

We have that already, it's the private mod forum;)
Aarrrgh :)

Agreed. NO quantity should get one person in. I think that would encourage spamming. I have seen many people who posting something like 10, 22 or more posts a day just to get their post count up. Many of the post are sub par or just plain right spammy.

I think a mix of post quantity and paid membership should be thought of. That would taper off on both sides of being a DP user.

1. Ok so if it is 1k posts
and
2. Something like $10 quarterly or semi annually. The proceeds can be used for charity. OR can be split into like a pyramid idea and a trickle down affect. Or a free domain can be given to every time the fee is paid.

Why not make it an invite-only section? If a mod likes you, then you get in :)
I kind of like this idea... although there's one big obstacle: it would mean more work for the mods.

I agree the statement was off base. I have seen many of our younger members more mature than the older ones. Age has nothing to do with how serious you are or how well you behave. (The right person would apologize for such a broad demeaning statement)
Yes, very true. Old or young - it doesn't matter. (Wasn't me who said though))

As far as the paid section, what is a $100 to a scammer? It would give a more secure feeling to some but will also allow their guard to come down.
Like said earlier: by no means the private forums could not prevent scamming - it would only affect (me thinks) spamming and noise level.

The shear size of the forum is what creates the problems with spammers and scammers. The mods are doing a good job of making much needed changes to eliminate many of the problems. Charging for part or all of the forum will cause members to just get fed up and leave. This will not just be the bottom feeders, it will also be many of the quality members.
I don't think any current parts of the forums would need to become private or for a fee. I think it as "in addition"...

Digital Point would not be this successful if Shawn did not know what he was doing, I agree with his prior decisions not to have a paid membership.
Yes... but then there's also the noise.

Oh well... we are going in circles here :D

[GrAveTzT]

It seems like a good idea. It's just paying $50 to $100 a day seems like a lot of money for the only real purpose is the get away from the cheap people who are willing to pay.

What could be offered in the area that actually benefits the premium DP members?

I agree the statement was off base. I have seen many of our younger members more mature than the older ones. Age has nothing to do with how serious you are or how well you behave. (The right person would apologize for such a broad demeaning statement)

No, age has a little bit to do with it, For example 14yr olds and what not.


As far as the paid section, what is a $100 to a scammer? It would give a more secure feeling to some but will also allow their guard to come down.

This is true but there is a far better chance that a scammer will not want in becuase of the risk of losing that $100 if they are banned from DP. And since the people would could be scammed are premium members, than a scammer won't really want to mess with them. The special area isn't to prevent scams. It's to minimize people who are just running around DP and making topics that are not usful.

The shear size of the forum is what creates the problems with spammers and scammers. The mods are doing a good job of making much needed changes to eliminate many of the problems. Charging for part or all of the forum will cause members to just get fed up and leave. This will not just be the bottom feeders, it will also be many of the quality members.

Digital Point would not be this successful if Shawn did not know what he was doing, I agree with his prior decisions not to have a paid membership.


There would be no reason for people to leave. The forum will still be intact the way it was before, just with an additional feature.

Maybe this isn't the answer to the problems of DP, but it seems close to me. I don't know how we can solve it, but it seems the Buying & selling area really seems to be going bad. For the first time in my life I'm actually having a real difficult time spending my set monthly funds that I'd like to purchase for myself. I can't find very many fair, honest, and good deals around dp.

[Game Producer]

GrAveTzT kinds of sum this all up (expect the amount... not $100 daily ;))

[allout]

Maybe this isn't the answer to the problems of DP, but it seems close to me. I don't know how we can solve it, but it seems the Buying & selling area really seems to be going bad. For the first time in my life I'm actually having a real difficult time spending my set monthly funds that I'd like to purchase for myself. I can't find very many fair, honest, and good deals around dp.

It may have taken a while but Crazy_Rob and the rest of the team seems to be taking steps to deal with the problem. There are many good deals and a lot of honest members on here. The problem was it was buried by all the garbage posts. They are taking care of those problems by banning the crap that is clogging up the forum. Including the many stumble exchange threads you like to do.

What kind of deals are you looking for?

[JoyGoRound]

It may have taken a while but Crazy_Rob and the rest of the team seems to be taking steps to deal with the problem. There are many good deals and a lot of honest members on here. The problem was it was buried by all the garbage posts. They are taking care of those problems by banning the crap that is clogging up the forum. Including the many stumble exchange threads you like to do.

What kind of deals are you looking for?

I'm looking for good deals too, not that bookmarking spam junk.

Maybe they can make a paid area for the stumbles!

PS. I don't drink, and I'm still using VHS. k, thanks.

[tushardhoot1]

No, age has a little bit to do with it, For example 14yr olds and what not.

I started using this forum when I was 12, just last year. Even then, I was more mature than several older members on this forum.

[peter_anderson]

Aarrrgh :)




I kind of like this idea... although there's one big obstacle: it would mean more work for the mods.




well, those who are invite can invite others :) plus, since theres another thread complaing that its taken months to get a custom user title, i dont see how this forum can cope with more members paying

[zacdavis]

well, those who are invite can invite others :) plus, since theres another thread complaing that its taken months to get a custom user title, i dont see how this forum can cope with more members paying

There's an easy solution for this. Just simply ask for more volunteer mods.

[Game Producer]

Hmm... if it would be "invite only"... then in that case something tells me that it would be just a matter of time when some people invite some other people who start selling invitations :rolleyes:

[tushardhoot1]

Make it that you only get 5 invites, and that only members who get to an X position can invite.

[peter_anderson]

So, everyone agrees that making an Invite way is better!

And, zacdavis they cant get more mods. Asking for mods isnt the way they do it here, they invite people.

[tushardhoot1]

If they asked for mods then they'd have everyone applying.

[zacdavis]

I didn't necessarily mean publicly, sorry. I meant for them to ask suitable people. I know that there's some people that would be great mods.

[peter_anderson]

I didn't necessarily mean publicly, sorry. I meant for them to ask suitable people. I know that there's some people that would be great mods.

Thats what they do just now. There are 2 mods that havent been active this year, and, have a smaller post count than me!

[zacdavis]

Well, then its time to look for new ones. I think there should definitely be more active mods here to begin with, but it shouldn't be too hard to find people willing and able to do it.

[Shazz]

Thats what they do just now. There are 2 mods that havent been active this year, and, have a smaller post count than me!

haha, I guess some do have a real life :p

[zacdavis]

haha, I guess some do have a real life :p

Nothing wrong with that, but if they are going to be mods, I think they should be more active.