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ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 5:02 am
I saw an auction on ebay for the domain Yahoo.is. I think there will be Trade Mark issue. Current price is $100,000.
Here is the ebay link
http://cgi.ebay.com/Domain-for-sale-yahoo-is_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ3767QQihZ007QQitemZ170182994243QQrdZ1
Henkatsu
Jan 10th 2008, 5:04 am
Yeah there is TM issues that domain isnt worth anything.
wisdomtool
Jan 10th 2008, 5:09 am
I think it will be taken off by Ebay soon, this is too obvious a trademark violation, whoever thinks of $100 000 is really dreaming. He may end up having to push the domain to Yahoo for a token sum.
ORZ
Jan 10th 2008, 5:36 am
Let's wait and see.
kel555222
Jan 10th 2008, 5:45 am
that domain would be worth something but i dont see how it could be worth $100,000
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 5:49 am
Yes, it is not worth that much. The owner is expecting yahoo to bid on it.
wisdomtool
Jan 10th 2008, 5:51 am
Yahoo will send a lawyer's letter for it most probably rather than bid for it.
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 6:25 am
Yes, I agree with you.
dairyman
Jan 10th 2008, 6:49 am
I am ready to buy it if it is provided free of cost. LOL
brandnewx
Jan 10th 2008, 6:56 am
Trademark does not apply to domain name. A trademark does not entitle you to take over a domain. Adsense.com didn't belong to google for a very long time even though Adsense is a trademark of Google. Google had to buy it.
Actually, it is the use of a domain name plus the domain name itself. If you own ABC.com and claims to be a formal ABC News Network while you're not, you're in direct violation of trademark laws. The real ABC News Network can bring you to court and will likely win. But says if you own Yahoo.is, your logo is not a copycat of YAHOO.com and you run a shoes shop not a search engine, Yahoo.com will never be able to take your domain from you. Of course, their lawyers might try to send you some letters but they must take you to court and win to seize your domain, but I don't see the possibility of this (Read Adsense.com case).
Also, you can't register a trademark and have a lawyer sent mails to some domain owners to turn over their domains to you. Because you can't!
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 7:39 am
Trademark does not apply to domain name. A trademark does not entitle you to take over a domain. Adsense.com didn't belong to google for a very long time even though Adsense is a trademark of Google. Google had to buy it.
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I think it is better to avoid legal matters with yahoo or google which are power houses. I will not buy this domain name. It will cost fortune to fight against them legally.
superstan
Jan 10th 2008, 8:04 am
it is a real stupidity. i mean this guy who is listing this domain name at ebay.
actually, yahoo can send lawers or try out other legal ways.
but this guy isnt definately gonna get anything !
mrwordsworth
Jan 10th 2008, 8:15 am
Trademark does not apply to domain name. A trademark does not entitle you to take over a domain. Adsense.com didn't belong to google for a very long time even though Adsense is a trademark of Google. Google had to buy it.
Actually, it is the use of a domain name plus the domain name itself. If you own ABC.com and claims to be a formal ABC News Network while you're not, you're in direct violation of trademark laws. The real ABC News Network can bring you to court and will likely win. But says if you own Yahoo.is, your logo is not a copycat of YAHOO.com and you run a shoes shop not a search engine, Yahoo.com will never be able to take your domain from you. Of course, their lawyers might try to send you some letters but they must take you to court and win to seize your domain, but I don't see the possibility of this (Read Adsense.com case).
Also, you can't register a trademark and have a lawyer sent mails to some domain owners to turn over their domains to you. Because you can't!
i agree with you, look people suppose you have a domain buycars.com and i go and register a business and trademark as buycars inc. that does not meant that i will be the owner of this domain, plus every country has their own laws, here it is very important to look at the laws of the owner's country.
Yahoo can not file a case for a business registered in another nation
bomberman
Jan 10th 2008, 8:25 am
Yahoo will send a lawyer's letter for it most probably rather than bid for it.
I think so...yahoo was already well-known site...
LinkBliss
Jan 10th 2008, 8:32 am
I can think of lots of topics
Yahoo.is/naughty
Yahoo.is/etc.
leede
Jan 10th 2008, 8:35 am
i think worth $00
rickyou
Jan 10th 2008, 9:25 am
It depends. In some places, I know that in some places, the government has the power to force someone to give up certain domains.
Rick
elias_sorensen
Jan 10th 2008, 9:29 am
Funny that someone would sell that domain.. But why hasn't Yahoo! the rights to that domain?
Astroman
Jan 10th 2008, 9:44 am
I don't know if anyone realizes but Yahoo is actually a word in the dictionary, you can't stop people using long standing words from language just because you named your company after it.
If I start a company called "Breakfast" and it becomes a multi million $, uber well known brand it doesn't mean I own the word Breakfast.
Obviously if you buy Yahoo.is and claim to be part of the Yahoo! company, or make a site that resembles it you would have need to worry. Otherwise you can do what you like with it, even waiting hopelessly for Yahoo! to make a special search engine for for the 300,000 people that live in Iceland, roughly the same population as the town where I live, and wanting to buy the name from you.
TheVccMatey
Jan 10th 2008, 9:50 am
He's just inviting trouble
ala101
Jan 10th 2008, 9:55 am
Yahoo is actually a word in the dictionary
r u sure its a dictionary word ?!
i cant find it in Oxford!
kmzeron
Jan 10th 2008, 10:01 am
I`ll bid all my money for this domain :d
70$ :)
Astroman
Jan 10th 2008, 10:24 am
r u sure its a dictionary word ?!
i cant find it in Oxford!Yes, and the use of the word dates back to at least Gulliver's Travels, 1726, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo_%28literature%29
You can't honestly believe that Yahoo! invented the word?
webster007
Jan 10th 2008, 10:37 am
i would not wast my money that domain will get snagged or deleted
t2000q
Jan 10th 2008, 10:57 am
doesnt seem to be all that catchy and I doubt that there is any problems with yahoo or they would already have got it first
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 11:10 am
I am not aware of yahoo as dictionary word???
In that case, yahoo could not do anything I suppose.
Kieran.in
Jan 10th 2008, 11:31 am
Actually, i believe there is a statement within ICANN's policy regarding domain abuse, and registering a domain. It's called squatting.
The popularity of domain names also led to uses which were regarded as abusive by established companies with trademark rights; this was known as cybersquatting, in which somebody took a name that resembled a trademark in order to profit from traffic to that address. To combat this, various laws and policies were enacted to allow abusive registrations to be forcibly transferred, but these were sometimes themselves abused by overzealous companies committing reverse domain hijacking against domain users who had legitimate grounds to hold their names, such as their being generic words as well as trademarks in a particular context, or their use in the context of fan or protest sites with free speech rights of their own.
Laws that specifically address domain name conflicts include the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act in the United States and the Trademarks Act, 1999, in India. Alternatively, domain registrants are bound by contract under the UDRP to comply with mandatory arbitration proceedings should someone challenge their ownership of the domain name.
Yahoo will do something, hes dropped himself in it there mentioning that it could be used/sold to Yahoo. That also hints that he registered it soley because he saw Yahoo opening an site for another country (.ir).
kissmyarse
Jan 10th 2008, 11:47 am
I remember a few stories like this from way back.
A guy who owned liverpoolfc.com been taken to court by Liverpool Football Club, he setup a company called "Liverpool Fashion Collection" and squatted on it. Currently it redirects to their official site, and doesn't look to be registered by the club. Can't seem to get a lot out of google on the subject.
Then there's the classic etoy example... etoy.com (a Swedish Art House Organisation) domain was awarded to the owners of etoys.com after a (US?) high court judged they were taking customers from the similiarly named site. Back in the day though, the internet was different. If i remember rightly a pretty huge DDoS attack on the etoys.com servers was done by some hacking groups. After a few days offline (and huge loss of business) etoys.com gave up and handed the domain back.
Doubt this one will be so interesting though...
;)
kma
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 1:03 pm
The above story about etoy.com is great.
Dreads
Jan 10th 2008, 1:19 pm
you should of posted an auction ads url, instead of directly linking to the auction.
I bet if someone placed a bid thru the aa, you make proble a couple of grand lol jk
Anyhow I wonder how long it takes for Yahoo to pull it off?
I will say.. right after someone bought it lol
Rage
Jan 10th 2008, 1:19 pm
wooww............ a lawsuit for sale ... great!
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 1:27 pm
you should of posted an auction ads url, instead of directly linking to the auction.
I bet if someone placed a bid thru the aa, you make proble a couple of grand lol jk
Anyhow I wonder how long it takes for Yahoo to pull it off?
I will say.. right after someone bought it lol
Why do you say that. I didn't put any affiliate link. Even if you buy the domain, I will not make a penny. You should not mention without knowing it. It is against DP rules to put affiliate link in posts. You know?
I just put auction ad url.
Skillage
Jan 10th 2008, 2:58 pm
Yahoo is a valid word in the dictionary therefore Yahoo.com do not own the right to fight against anyone controlling a yahoo domain unless yahoo has full rights to that domain.
They can certainly try, but wouldnt win unless digged around for some TM issues in there book of policy's chapter 10002023 xD
wisdomtool
Jan 10th 2008, 3:12 pm
True, you can use it for some other sites that are totally different from Yahoo.com but frankly I won't want to take the risk litigation fees are expensive.
Yahoo is a valid word in the dictionary therefore Yahoo.com do not own the right to fight against anyone controlling a yahoo domain unless yahoo has full rights to that domain.
They can certainly try, but wouldnt win unless digged around for some TM issues in there book of policy's chapter 10002023 xD
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 3:31 pm
Yahoo is a valid word in the dictionary therefore Yahoo.com do not own the right to fight against anyone controlling a yahoo domain unless yahoo has full rights to that domain.
They can certainly try, but wouldnt win unless digged around for some TM issues in there book of policy's chapter 10002023 xD
It is interesting point. I think yahoo will not mind to pay $xxxx to get the domain.
wisdomtool
Jan 10th 2008, 3:36 pm
May not be, I do not think they want to set a precedence. If they had really wanted all the extensions of yahoo, they would have done a sweep for all. If these are still available it means Yahoo really does not care.
ryukenden
Jan 10th 2008, 5:11 pm
Yeah. They may not care but eventually they will like to have them all to prevent people confusing with different products.
hostingcoupon
Jan 10th 2008, 11:19 pm
$100k is expensive even for yahoo. I think $10k may be an acceptable price for yahoo to buy it.
htmlindex
Jan 10th 2008, 11:33 pm
I saw an auction on ebay for the domain Yahoo.is. I think there will be Trade Mark issue. Current price is $100,000.
Here is the ebay link
http://cgi.ebay.com/Domain-for-sale-yahoo-is_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ3767QQihZ007QQitemZ170182994243QQrdZ1
LOL...$100k starting bid & no bids. Whoever bids on this name is dumb, or the bids will be from non-paying bidders IMO or this name will cancelled by Ebay soon.
maldives
Jan 11th 2008, 12:07 am
No one would be interested except Yahoo itself. :)
ryukenden
Jan 11th 2008, 3:40 am
Yes, yahoo might be waiting to act on it?
Fka200
Jan 11th 2008, 3:44 am
Why do you say that. I didn't put any affiliate link. Even if you buy the domain, I will not make a penny. You should not mention without knowing it. It is against DP rules to put affiliate link in posts. You know?
I just put auction ad url.
Reread his post...
ryukenden
Jan 11th 2008, 4:05 am
Yes, I have.
LinkBliss
Jan 11th 2008, 6:43 am
Yahoo.is/a.fag.php
brandnewx
Jan 11th 2008, 8:42 am
Like I said before, I don't see the illegality of using Yahoo or any other trademark in domain name for a totally different business. But I agree though that it is a risk, and it isn't worth putting $100k for an .is domain. Yahoo.is simply doesn't have the market value that high.
Astroman
Jan 11th 2008, 10:07 am
Like I said before, I don't see the illegality of using Yahoo or any other trademark in domain name for a totally different business. But I agree though that it is a risk, and it isn't worth putting $100k for an .is domain. Yahoo.is simply doesn't have the market value that high.
It might be wroth quite a lot if they hold onto it, chances are Yahoo! will want it eventually, Google has one after all. I doubt anyone on eBay will buy it for $100,000 though, most people will believe that Yahoo! already has some legal claim over it like half the fools in this thread. I wouldn't mind owning it, I think I'd put some kind of Iceland travel site on there, maybe some sort of extreme sport type vacation thing?
Peter Brown
Jan 11th 2008, 7:02 pm
It seems to have attracted a lot of attention, the hit counter on that auction is 5520.
brandnewx
Jan 11th 2008, 7:17 pm
It might be wroth quite a lot if they hold onto it, chances are Yahoo! will want it eventually, Google has one after all. I doubt anyone on eBay will buy it for $100,000 though, most people will believe that Yahoo! already has some legal claim over it like half the fools in this thread. I wouldn't mind owning it, I think I'd put some kind of Iceland travel site on there, maybe some sort of extreme sport type vacation thing?
If he put $5k as starting price, I'm going to bid. The value is somewhere near that. I would just park the domain or develop it into a mega utility website. I own some nice one-word domains like tutorials.fm and invade.in (for proxy website), but it ain't gonna sell above $1k.
brandnewx
Jan 11th 2008, 7:34 pm
Ok anyway, I guess everyone here knows PayPalSucks.com. You see there's a big "PayPal" in there and it's a trademark of a huge corporation that has millions of dollars to hire the best lawyers to sue the owner of PayPalSucks.com. But why has it not happened? It obviously shows that even you abuse somebody's trademark in your domain name, it'll never mean they can take your domain, and you don't need a million dollar to protect it like somebody claimed in the last couple posts. If PayPal wants to pay a million to shoot PayPaySucks.com down, they will directly buy it from the owner but not paying lawyers to fighting a losing battle.
blacknet
Jan 11th 2008, 7:38 pm
paypalsucks can be viewed as a parody, as it's a parody theres a kind of loop hole in the law where you have to use the trademark in order to create your pardoy. comes under the "fair use" clause in the law.. more (http://www.publaw.com/parody.html)
ryukenden
Jan 12th 2008, 5:02 am
paypalsucks can be viewed as a parody, as it's a parody theres a kind of loop hole in the law where you have to use the trademark in order to create your pardoy. comes under the "fair use" clause in the law.. more (http://www.publaw.com/parody.html)
It is interesting view.
sultanofseo
Jan 12th 2008, 5:12 am
yahoo is gonna get that domain name soon. all they have to do is to file an UDRP dispute and the domain is gone
brandnewx
Jan 12th 2008, 6:30 am
paypalsucks can be viewed as a parody, as it's a parody theres a kind of loop hole in the law where you have to use the trademark in order to create your pardoy. comes under the "fair use" clause in the law.. more (http://www.publaw.com/parody.html)
I rest my case. You've proved my point that somebody with a trademark like "Yahoo" cannot just file a form to get the domain they want.
Astroman
Jan 12th 2008, 6:45 am
PayPal would stand a much better chance of getting PayPal sucks than Yahoo! would of getting yahoo.is, seeing as "paypal" isn't an actual word and can only mean one thing and be associated with one... yet, even in this case, paypalsucks aren't pretending to have anything to do with PayPal, they aren't hoping to fool people into thinking they are connected, quite the opposite in fact.
I think PayPal doesn't care about that site and is deliberately leaving it alone to show they don't care. They'd probably worry about making themselves look dishonest control freaks if they bought it out or tried an UDRP dispute to get rid of it.
As for the other thing, "yahoo" is just a word and can't be taken off anyone.
Google would be able to do it, but they're sensible enough to register all iterations of google.whatever in the first place. However, if Google's founders had been more lucky and managed to get Googol.com, which they couldn't because some math geek already had it, they would not have been able to claim any rights to googol.is because it is a real word, any more than the current owner of Googol.com can.
So, in a way, making up your own word for a company name can have its advantages, i.e. people can't just use it and say its just another word in the dictionary.
Fed
Jan 12th 2008, 6:50 am
if I owned such a domain (grey area, yahoo could or couldn't get it) ebay is where I would sell it
it's full of people looking for the "big deal" and yahoo.is sounds really like a good one impulsively thinking
ryukenden
Jan 12th 2008, 7:18 am
if I owned such a domain (grey area, yahoo could or couldn't get it) ebay is where I would sell it
it's full of people looking for the "big deal" and yahoo.is sounds really like a good one impulsively thinking
Yes, you may find someone who has got little knowledge but lots of money.
pitbullt
Jan 12th 2008, 9:39 am
why not just try and sell to yahoo??
FatKidUnleashed
Jan 12th 2008, 9:42 am
LOL no one has even bid on it.
blacknet
Jan 12th 2008, 10:21 am
$3 from me :) is that a start lol
seriously though, the ebay idea is by far the best; if you want the blacker shade of idea then:
1: 301 it to yahoo.com
2: ping it's url to every blog you can, and repeatedly to google, + add url, wait for it to get listed
3: submit it to internet archive, get it thumbnailed, and in alexa etc.
3a: change dns to point to yahoo servers temporarily and keep checking whois on domaintools till they log it was once pointed at yahoo ip's (lololol)
4: wait for the next pr change in 3 months
5: sell it to some mug on ebay with all the pagerank, internet archive, backlink and related proof they need. (with a little disclaimer about pr only being a guidline and provided by the g toolbar)
6: don't mention me
or take my $3 for it lol
ryukenden
Jan 12th 2008, 2:09 pm
why not just try and sell to yahoo??
The seller tries to put yahoo in his or her message in the auction hoping yahoo will bid for it.
Peter Brown
Jan 12th 2008, 5:26 pm
Seems to have been taken down.
This listing (170182994243) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it canceled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay.
ryukenden
Jan 12th 2008, 6:11 pm
Yes, at last. Ebay took action.
ghoulardi
Jan 16th 2008, 2:04 pm
WHat if he was trying to sell something like join-yahoo.com ?
Do you think ebay would take that down?
ryukenden
Jan 16th 2008, 4:52 pm
WHat if he was trying to sell something like join-yahoo.com ?
Do you think ebay would take that down?
Possibly ebay will still take action.
ghoulardi
Jan 16th 2008, 7:41 pm
Possibly ebay will still take action.
Ok, thanks. I see join-yahoo.com is available and I was surprised. I guess if I bought it there's no profit to be made eh?
Anil Pandey
Jan 16th 2008, 9:48 pm
r u sure its a dictionary word ?!
i cant find it in Oxford!
I can't say whether it was mentioned hundreds of year back, the truth is that this word was used in a Hindi film in India. The actor was Shammi Kapoor and the film was probably 'Kashmir Ki Kali'. And the film was released around 40 years back.
The film was quite successful then and was one of his most successful films. He used to shout Yahoo a lot in the film, and somehow it caught the fancy of millions of people.
Anil Pandey
www.utkalbandhu.com
ryukenden
Jan 17th 2008, 3:32 am
I can't say whether it was mentioned hundreds of year back, the truth is that this word was used in a Hindi film in India. The actor was Shammi Kapoor and the film was probably 'Kashmir Ki Kali'. And the film was released around 40 years back.
The film was quite successful then and was one of his most successful films. He used to shout Yahoo a lot in the film, and somehow it caught the fancy of millions of people.
Anil Pandey
www.utkalbandhu.com
In fact, yahoo had been in used before that film.
liocyril
Jan 17th 2008, 4:26 am
do not go 4 it de will be lots of legal issues later
ironmankho
Jan 18th 2008, 12:25 am
it is not more value than who.is
ryukenden
Jan 18th 2008, 3:26 pm
it is not more value than who.is
I could not get it. What do you mean?
mjewel
Jan 18th 2008, 3:37 pm
I don't know if anyone realizes but Yahoo is actually a word in the dictionary, you can't stop people using long standing words from language just because you named your company after it.
If I start a company called "Breakfast" and it becomes a multi million $, uber well known brand it doesn't mean I own the word Breakfast.
Obviously if you buy Yahoo.is and claim to be part of the Yahoo! company, or make a site that resembles it you would have need to worry. Otherwise you can do what you like with it, even waiting hopelessly for Yahoo! to make a special search engine for for the 300,000 people that live in Iceland, roughly the same population as the town where I live, and wanting to buy the name from you.
Completely wrong. International trademarks are protected by the Madrid Protocol (btw, it includes Iceland). This domain is worthless and couldn't be kept (and it doesn't matter if you don't claim to be owned by "yahoo"). A simple WIPO claim would take the domain and turn it over to the "Yahoo" corporation. You can certainly trademark common words, i.e. Apple. Trademarks are granted by classification, and there are companies that have broad protection.
The "Apple" corporation can and does claim ownership of the use of the word "Apple" for many different classifications. What they couldn't do is claim ownership of the mark for the name of a fruit.
brandnewx
Jan 20th 2008, 5:30 pm
mjewel, can you tell me why Adsense.com didn't belong to Google for a very long time? And why did Google eventually bought the website? By reading your post, Google should have just filed a WIPO claim, and they'd got the domain.
It is not easy! You have to go to court. And you have to fight in court for the reasons why you think the domain owner violates your trademark. And then you would filed a dispute claim at UDRP Panel at ICANN, or the other authorized organizations: World Intellectual Property Organization ("WIPO"); eResolution Consortium ("eRes"); the National Arbitration Forum ("NAF"); and CPR Institute for Dispute Resolution ("CPR").
mjewel
Jan 26th 2008, 6:19 am
The adsense case was entirely different. The domain was registered years before google started using the mark. First use establishes rights in a classification. If I remember correctly, the owners of the mark had failed register their company within the state - a requirement of state law for a dba. They wound up selling it for a nominal amount of money - enough to cover the cost of changing their stationery and business cards.
Yahoo is a Federally Registered mark that predates this domain registration. This is a clear cut case that Yahoo would win without a doubt. A WIPO claim is all that would be needed to take the domain since it is a registered mark. It would cost around $1,200 - and being a registered mark, Yahoo would be able to claim treble their legal fees - so regardless of the legal costs, it would be peanuts to a big company like Yahoo - and they would be able to recover up to 3X their legal fees PLUS damages. It would be foolish to buy the domain - and trying to sell it Yahoo would be grounds for a cyber squatting case that comes with a maximum of $100,000 penalty.
As previously mentioned, domains like "paypalsucks" are considered a parody "free-speech" because someone looking at the domain (without having to visit it) would likely conclude the trademark holder isn't operating such a site.
The Stealthy One
Jan 26th 2008, 9:27 am
It is very possible the auction was a hoax, too. :)
Meth_
Jan 26th 2008, 9:28 am
lol, ryuedit
angilina
Jan 29th 2008, 7:41 am
I don't know if anyone realizes but Yahoo is actually a word in the dictionary, you can't stop people using long standing words from language just because you named your company after it.
If I start a company called "Breakfast" and it becomes a multi million $, uber well known brand it doesn't mean I own the word Breakfast.
Obviously if you buy Yahoo.is and claim to be part of the Yahoo! company, or make a site that resembles it you would have need to worry. Otherwise you can do what you like with it, even waiting hopelessly for Yahoo! to make a special search engine for for the 300,000 people that live in Iceland, roughly the same population as the town where I live, and wanting to buy the name from you.
actually, u have a very good point here:cool:
cogger
Jan 29th 2008, 4:26 pm
Yahoo.com is a registered TM as the word "Yahoo" w/o and tld to the right of it may not be. I have not researched this out.
Let's say in my case: One of my domains is "OfficialClaim" .com as protection I would get a TM on the the full word + the ext. This would entitle any legal ownership of a trademark encase if domain was hijacked.
The word "Yahoo" used as a adjective may be a legal TM as a wordmark "as is" w/o any TLD added. I am sure that the money this company has it most likely is. "Benefical" (tm) is a legal wordmark used by a finace compnay.
If this is the case then the registrant of "Yahoo.is" is in clear violation of TM infringement.
Astroman
Jan 29th 2008, 4:43 pm
I thought the trademark was actually "Yahoo!", I'm not sure that carries over to website domains in every extension imaginable, both present and future. Also it's all very well people talking about "Federal Law" but that means next to nothing anywhere outside the US, though I don't myself believe there is any legal grounds against the owner even if it did have some sway over people in Iceland. The fact is he still owns the domain, it still says for sale on his home page - if it was anywhere near so big a deal as some people in this thread seem to think we wouldn't even be discussing it in the first place because they would have already taken it off him, he's had it for ages (in internet terms) now after all.
tensionnot
Jan 29th 2008, 10:30 pm
register yahoo.is in some country as a trademark and start a business with that name. this way you can keep that domain.
like bbc.com was sold to bbc news as their website was bbc.co.uk
bbc.com owner registered bb computers so that he can keep BBC.com
Magawr
Jan 29th 2008, 11:54 pm
Trademark does not apply to domain name. A trademark does not entitle you to take over a domain. Adsense.com didn't belong to google for a very long time even though Adsense is a trademark of Google. Google had to buy it.
Actually, it is the use of a domain name plus the domain name itself. If you own ABC.com and claims to be a formal ABC News Network while you're not, you're in direct violation of trademark laws. The real ABC News Network can bring you to court and will likely win. But says if you own Yahoo.is, your logo is not a copycat of YAHOO.com and you run a shoes shop not a search engine, Yahoo.com will never be able to take your domain from you. Of course, their lawyers might try to send you some letters but they must take you to court and win to seize your domain, but I don't see the possibility of this (Read Adsense.com case).
Also, you can't register a trademark and have a lawyer sent mails to some domain owners to turn over their domains to you. Because you can't!
Take Apple for example. Huge corporation, everyone knows what they do. So, let's say you acquired Apple.is and you decided to make and/or design a website all about apples, the various varieties from all around the globe. This generally would be considered ok and Apple the corporation would be hard pressed, no pun intended, to take the name from you, since there was no conflict of interest.
On the other hand, if you were using Apple.is to in any way conflict with the corporation by creating a site around anything to do with computers, in any way shape or form, you would have your head, quite rightly so chewed off by the corporation.
In the case of Yahoo, it's a word that doesn't actually mean anything in the Oxford English Dictionary, it is solely a brand name.
In this instance having Yahoo.is is of no advantage to anyone whatsoever, in fact owning it, you are simply asking for trouble from Yahoo. It is absolutely ridiculous registering these kind of domain names and I predict that very shortly we will be seeing a huge upsurge very soon from the corporations and companies trademarked names, sueing more and more domainers for lost traffic and potential revenues, certainly as we face a recession, competition will get more and more feirce and I wouldn't want to be in possession of any name with trademark issues written all over it.
There is a lesson in this, that all new and inexperienced domainers must learn and that is that it is absolute folly to own and/or even think about developing any trademarked or corporation name which would represent a direct conflict of interest with the rightful owners of any said, domain name / company name.
Believe you me, lawsuits are coming already.
If you've got them, dump them or contact the companies concerned and give them their rightful property back before they eat you for breakfast.
You may think I'm joking. The last laugh is when you are completely penniless for your stupidity in the first place.
Steer completely clear of any trademarked names!! It's one of the Golden Rules of domaining!
Mark Magawr
Magawr
Jan 29th 2008, 11:58 pm
register yahoo.is in some country as a trademark and start a business with that name. this way you can keep that domain.
like bbc.com was sold to bbc news as their website was bbc.co.uk
bbc.com owner registered bb computers so that he can keep BBC.com
You are playing with fire if you do not know what you are doing.
BBComputers would be ok yes, but believe you me, nothing could work or any good come of, owning or developing in anyway, shape or form, anything spelling exactly, the word Yahoo.
By all means, if this avenue appeals to you, go for it, I'm not here to stop you, but don't get crying when their lawyers come after you waving a big stick and taking you for everything you own.
brandnewx
Feb 2nd 2008, 3:57 am
People from certain countries has the culture of high uncertainty avoidance. They avoid, at all cost, anything that remotely sounds like a risk, smells like a risk or looks like a risk. These people will not risk $10 to have a good potential gain of $1,000, or will not risk $10,000 for a potential gain of $10,000,000.
Who cares if Yahoo can claim Yahoo.is or not? If it is up for grab for $1,000, I will be the first person to bid on that. Blah blah blah. Enough said. You need an "investor" brain to know these things.
Magawr
Feb 2nd 2008, 5:14 am
It's more to do with commonsense as there is going to be a lot more tightening up in the next year or two as larger companies come after domainers who are cybersquatting or using brand names, trademark names with typo spelling errors.
Already there has been a few cases where larger companies have sued for this kind of infringement, loss of potential business, through lost traffic etc.
Certainly, to survive in business means taking measured risks, but to purposefully use such domains piggybacking to profit oneself, it's simply asking for trouble.
Most domainers with an ounce of commonsense advocate strongly for the good of anyone considering doing this to think more wisely and re-evaluate their personal business action plans.
At the end of the day, it's just not worth it, taking the risk to lose everything. To do so is just totally irresponsible.
ryukenden
Feb 9th 2008, 4:29 am
Thanks for sharing your opinions.
India Forum
Mar 28th 2008, 3:20 am
I can't say whether it was mentioned hundreds of year back, the truth is that this word was used in a Hindi film in India. The actor was Shammi Kapoor and the film was probably 'Kashmir Ki Kali'. And the film was released around 40 years back.
The film was quite successful then and was one of his most successful films. He used to shout Yahoo a lot in the film, and somehow it caught the fancy of millions of people.
Anil Pandey
www.utkalbandhu.com
You are wrong! Yahoo has never used before Shammi Kapoor's song " Chahe koi mujhe junglee kahe" Listen the word yahoo here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L64ZVW5LKs and Kashmir ki Kali was very much successful.
Jay
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