Why Canadians dislike Americans....

NewComputer

Dec 8th 2004, 9:06 am

SEbasic

Dec 8th 2004, 9:24 am

Do you feel privileged to live in Canada?

You should feel lucky that you are allowed to live on a continent shared by the most disliked nation in the world.

"We like the English speaking Canadians"...
Hahahaha!

"The average Canadian is busy dog sledding"
Hahahaha!

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 9:29 am

She is a reflection of the scam artists running the Republican party, now Bush Senior is grooming AOOOONOLD to run for President in addition to his other son Jeb, he has a whole assortment of puppets in line for the job of fleecing America.

There is nothing wrong with America but the Nixon boys that have stolen the last two elections.

The Republican party will be doomed by the mid-term elections in two years and Bush is already a lame duck before those elections.

He will be the first President to gain the Herbert Hoover title because of lost jobs during his administration and the one known for sacking the entire world economy and world order while he and his friends sack the taxpayers and build the largest deficit in the history of the nation.

chachi

Dec 8th 2004, 9:50 am

NC, you could always come down here and "take care of her" for us :)

SEbasic

Dec 8th 2004, 9:56 am

http://mediamatters.org/static/vide...00411180009.wmvIs this actually what the news is like out there?

No wonder everyone was so confused as to who they should vote...

"Liberals have a problem with Blacks"...
What a fucking joke.

That lady really must learn to listen to other people's views.
She just sounds like a twat.

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:03 am

I would say she sure stick her foot in her mouth, but doesn't even know it?!?!?!

SE - liberals in our nation are the racists, they want to keep blacks down and use them as 'victims' . Then when a black person does accomplish something, they berate them. Didn't you see all the racist comments about Rice getting the job?

AC is just an opposite of Ann, both out in neverland and missing reality, it would be a fun wrestling match to watch though. LOL

Ann sure is Arrogant like Holmes said........... couldn't imagine what would happen if she visited canada now.

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 10:08 am

You always prove by your posts that you have your feet firmly planted in the air Debunked.

Did you sign your six kids up to go to Iraq to support your "Oil President" Debunked?

Houston needs more men because the commanders on the ground in Iraq say we are losing the war.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=commanders+losing+war&btnG=Google+Search

PS: Debunked is lost in believing Fox news and Republican Propaganda, blacks do not support the Republican party and it is simply a propaganda tactic that the sick Republicans use to try to fool some blacks into voting for them.

In fact the only reason they appoint Condi Rice is because she is a Bush ass kisser and follows the Bush family to the T.

SEbasic

Dec 8th 2004, 10:11 am

SE - liberals in our nation are the racists, they want to keep blacks down and use them as 'victims' . Then when a black person does accomplish something, they berate them. Didn't you see all the racist comments about Rice getting the job?
From what I understood, the reason she was criticised was more to do with her not actually being up to the job, not to do with her being black - Or did I get the wrong end of the stick...

In the UK, the liberals are just that - liberal...
They tend to be the most free thinking and open minded party.
Is that not the same over there?

Such Great Heights

Dec 8th 2004, 10:18 am

liberals in our nation are the racists
WTF? :eek: The very definition of liberal (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal&r=67) says "free from bigotry"
And bigotry (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot) is defined as "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

And how come the minorities in the U.S. are the ones being kept from voting?
Because they wouldn't vote for Bush, and there are lots of them.

Did I miss where the media/bush told everyone that the word "liberal" is a bad word?

It's like when people at the grocery store see the word "organic" and a switch in their head says "eww that must not taste good." eh. :confused:

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:24 am

If free thinking is everything goes
and if open-minded says except anyone but christians

then That is our liberals too.

I am just not in agreement with that.

Rice is criticized because she is a republican who is black, so they say she must be a puppet, because blacks can't be republican. Now I would say Rice is a stronger women for choosing what she believes in instead of others telling her what she should be.

AC - none of my kids are old enough yet, but you want some work, they could use you. Maybe we can join together, but you probably can't because of age??? They would barely take me at 33. (Feet firmly planted as always on a strong foundation - you should know what a foundation is.)

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 10:30 am

Read more Debunked, even our own soldiers want out because they and the commanders know that it is another Vietnam.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=commanders+iraq+war&btnG=Search

Bush said the war was over last May, remember?

Now we are sending more troops and they say we will be there for 10 years or so.

The simple truth is that we are setting up military bases for a future wider war with Iran, Syria and others. This is a war we can not win without starting WW3 because the Russians are pissed off and so are the French and Germans.

China is also sending weapons into the war zone, so we are fighting a losing battle against the world, not terror. It is time that you and others wake up Debunked, because you simply do not know what you are talking about and watch Fox News much too much.

This war that you are thinking of is a religious war against us because of our bias support of our 51st state and mid-east military base, the man made state of Israel. That is not God's Israel, but one that men created in 1948 with our support. Get real dude and maybe you will learn something.

Billy Graham and Richard Nixon can not save you Debunked nor can the Bush Family, they are all one lot and you are on the wrong side of the issues son.

SEbasic

Dec 8th 2004, 10:30 am

If free thinking is everything goes
and if open-minded says except anyone but christians
You meant "accept" right?
I just think that's a bit of a generalisation...

Not all Germans in the 30's/40's Were Nazi.
Not all liberals are anti-christian (In fact I know a great many liberals, who also happen to be christian)...
I am liberal (Not christian, but certianly not anti-christian).

I've gotta say, to make a comment like liberals are anti-christian really goes beyond me...

I guess I just don't understand...

Right?

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:38 am

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 10:41 am

Those ramblings you should ignore are your own ignorant posts, you really are lost in a world of your own silly deception.

I feel sorry for your kids really, you better wake up in a hurry Debunked.

People like Debunked are the main reason America is hated throughout the world, he is a hard headed Republican lackey that would believe any propaganda that the Bush family and Billy Graham would tell him, then go out into the world and try to force that crap into the minds of others at the same time he is bombing their homes and killing their children for oil money.

NewComputer

Dec 8th 2004, 10:43 am

NC, you could always come down here and "take care of her" for us :)

You know Chachi, my first thought was how can I destroy this woman without doing it physically (oh, how I would love too). But then, I realized, the more she opens her mouth the more she destroys herself. I still can't believe some of the drivel she was spewing....

NewComputer

Dec 8th 2004, 10:45 am

Those ramblings you should ignore are your own ignorant posts, you really are lost in a world of your own silly deception.

I feel sorry for your kids really, you better wake up in a hurry Debunked.

AC, take it easy... you are hijacking this thread and attacking posters that I enjoy (and attacking their personal lives), so please refrain.

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:47 am

AC - what deception, give me one piece of evidence and no conspiracy theories. Just the facts. I am a facts person, theories are great for inventions, I love inventing and have my theories in those realms but with life, I do life with both eyes open - so just the facts maam, err, sir.

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 10:49 am

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:54 am

NC, I think you are right about Ann, she will destroy herself. With stuff like that I hope people stop reading her books, etc... It is stuff like that, that only seperates people and puts a larger wedge between people. (AC - I never have read her books)

She works against her cause like Jesse Jackson saying things about racism, he only creates more racism. His lies and view make more blacks hate or get angry at whites. I wish they would get rid of Jesse Jackson and put someone in charge that finds peace and helps end racism in the states. I am one that believes God created all men in his image, no matter what color of skin God has given them, besides darker skins are the most beautiful and that is probably why the nazis hate blacks out of jelousy. (spelling??)

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 10:59 am

This is a common theme with Debunked, to put out falsehoods and Republican propaganda and expecting sane individuals to believe those lies.

Believe what you will, but this guy needs help.

What deception:

Fact number 1, you think Bush won the election fair and square.

Fact number 2, you think we are winning the war when commanders on the ground say we are not, do you know more than them.

Fact number 3, you think that Republicans favor policies that are favorable to Black Americans.

Need more facts.

NC does not want us highjacking his thread, whatever it is about?
AC - Those are facts to some degree about what I think, yes, what I think. (Not all commanders say the same thing, just what certain media people want you to hear, duh.)

But if my thinking is wrong than give me facts....

I would introduce you to a black lady friend who spent many hours working at the republican office here, but I am sure you would say she is just a puppet. She is quite a fireball, with tons of energy, and her husband is white so I am sure that would make it wrong also. They have 3 great kids, one I believe is going to go into the airforce since he was in the civil air patrol.

SEbasic

Dec 8th 2004, 11:00 am

OK - SE you are right, I am putting all liberals into one basket with that comment.

Many liberals, I guess you would say the vocal liberals and the ones trying to change laws and the constitution are the ones who are the most anti-Christian.

Examples of this would be changing christmas break to winter break, and not letting kids sing christmas songs during that time for school plays, etc... but then doing studies of muslims and teaching the kids the 12 pillars of islam in the school, does that not seem hypicritical to you?

The reasons why so many in the US voted the way they did on the president and the other issues in our states was the silent majority is sick and tired of our rights being stripped and the constitution being shredded. They can't even teach the kids the declaration of Independence because the fact in mentions God in it.

Sorry AC, the silent majority will be fighting back, and the ramblings will still be ignored by me.
I hear that.
I can imagine it being frustrating to have you own personal choice of religion being squashed, while others (Perhaps the minority in the US??? - I really don't know that for sure), are being more openly "publicised".
The termonoligy may not be exactly right, but you know what I mean. ;)

We have two extreme end of the scale here though don't we.
On one side, you have the liberals who are trying to openly talk about alternative religions and increase the awareness of them, while perhaps losing sight of what the most practiced religion in the US actually is (I think it's the most practiced).
On the opposite end of the scale, you have the republican (Liberetarian) party, who seem to negate the other religions that are available, and go to extremes in terms of what is and is not allowed within the laws of the country, basing those decisions on the bible.

I guess that from the outside world (Europe, Iraq, Canada, China, Africa etc...) it may look like Bush is a bit of a facist.

I think the main problem here is spin.

I'm reading a book at the moment, and one of my favourite quotes from it so far is this...

those who don't understand can make anything look like the truth (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=ultrabar&q=those%20who%20don't%20understand%20can%20make%20anything%20look%20like%20the%20truth)(or something like that - I haven't got the book here so I can't really remember exactly).

If the media didn't insist on giving the public their own interpritation of the truth, then perhaps people like Anthony wouldn't feel as though they must shout "the truth" (I'm not going to get into semantics here) wherever they go...

Just my $0.02

:)

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 11:02 am

If you want to introduce me to a black lady, she better be under 30, good looking with a great body, sings, dances and likes to hang around the house instead of dancing in bars.

Then I will take you up on it, OK Debunked?

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 11:05 am

Sorry Anthony, She is about 40 I think, but is great looking, probably sings well, but never seen her dance?? And I don't think she goes to bars (at least for quite a few years)

Also, she is happily married.

She is a great lady though.

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 11:08 am

Back on the subject of Canada:

We need to be close friends with Canada. We need to work with them on our differences and express our similarities.

We should always be ready to watch each others backs too.

ay?

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 11:32 am

If your thinking is wrong give you facts Debunked?

I have been doing that in every thread we have been in together, I just gave you two Google search links with facts filled to the brim.

Go do your own research other than watching Fox/Bush Propaganda network and realize that you have been living in a bubble that is ready to burst just like the one burst in the Vietnam war when we pulled out of that disaster in disgrace.

Now NC wants to get the thread back on the topic of the babbling blond propaganda agent for the Republicans that is claiming that the Republican party is the party for Black Americans because Bush put some ass kissers in high positions.

Looks like one of them just quit Debunked, you remember him, he worked as a General in the first Bush Blunder of the Gulf War when he left the terrorist Saddam in power in a dirty oil deal.

chachi

Dec 8th 2004, 11:44 am

This is getting just plain silly. Ann coulter is a lunatic...there is not one sane person I know who would say any differently.

AC, I think this whole line of black people in power, thinking is going way too far buddy. Couldn't you make the same assertion about the Dem party and the fact that the two most prominent black people in the Dem party since 1988 are Jessie Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton...you think the Dem party honestly believed they were going to get elected to anything....ever? I am not saying you think, or ever thought, that they could be elected president of the USA, but I am sure there are plenty of black people out there who thought they would (I know a few of them). Not doing anything different than the Bush squad.

FYI, I am not a Bush backer, but I think it is simply ignorant and unjust to look at all sides here. Backing one over the other kind of makes you sound like another AC mentioned in this post. :) Uh oh, now I have done it.

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 11:53 am

I don't care about JJ or AL, what America needs is sound policy so that we are not targets of other nations as we are right now.

We are not just fighting "so-called terror", this is a religion based war.

They believe that the man made state of Israel with the support of America is destroying their way of life, until we have a more balanced policy this war will never end.

In addition to that it is a war over money (who's currency will world trade be based on, the EURO or the Dollar) and the EU is not just going to stand back and let America roll over them, nor will China or Russia.

So unless our leaders can get along with other nations and religions we are heading into WW3 and there is nothing that our current policy can do to save us.

chachi

Dec 8th 2004, 12:01 pm

They believe that the man made state of Israel with the support of America is destroying their way of life, until we have a more balanced policy this war will never end.

Well, the Arabs will not be happy until Israel and the Jews are off of "Arab" soil. So, I don't really see how any approach other than wiping Israel off the face of the earth or getting rid of any Arab "power" that can, will change anything. While I think George Bush is pretty much a donkey, I think he understands this pretty well....and that is his intention (#2).

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 12:03 pm

The bottom line is that this is a war that will not end until Kingdom come, some folks do understand this and others do not.

randfish

Dec 8th 2004, 12:48 pm

So how many backlinks would the Democrats need to rank #1 in the next election? And what anchor text should they use?

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 1:45 pm

John Edwards will win in a landslide John Stewart :cool:

david_sakh

Dec 8th 2004, 2:57 pm

NewComputer

Dec 8th 2004, 3:40 pm

Well, personally, I don't like canadians because of their beady eyes and flapping heads. ;)

Hehe... come across the border and say that to my face ;) I didnt know those were stereotypes...

debunked

Dec 8th 2004, 4:39 pm

what in the world is flapping heads???

The only stereotype I have heard was 'ay?' but from the people I have spoken to throughout canada, they all said 'ay?' even the big corporate honchos. So I guess the stereotype is true then ay?

NewComputer

Dec 8th 2004, 5:30 pm

Yea, I say eh, short for hey or 'right'

anthonycea

Dec 8th 2004, 5:57 pm

NC, can we get back on topic here, let us talk about our common dislike for each other, I am the American and you the Canadian in our little love/hate relationship on forum :rolleyes:

I have a love/hate relationship with most of the Canadian members here, right Minstrel, right Compar, right Kalina? :cool:

david_sakh

Dec 8th 2004, 9:28 pm

Hehe... come across the border and say that to my face ;) I didnt know those were stereotypes...

Meh. I guess you guys are too old for Southpark. :p

http://splatino.metropoliglobal.com/html/guia/img/guia505.jpg

I'm going to have to dust off my history book when I make allusions from now on. :D

flawebworks

Dec 8th 2004, 9:49 pm

Canadians are the best cooks in the world; and the most hospitable.

So how many backlinks would the Democrats need to rank #1 in the next election? And what anchor text should they use?

Thanks for making me ruin my monitor. Say 5 backlinks and Hilary as the anchor text. She'll whip things into shape. I won't be surprised if Condie doesn't run as well.

eddie

Dec 8th 2004, 11:02 pm

I spend 1 or 2 weeks in Canada every year (snowmobile trips) You all are happy to see us ay. At the motels, gas stations, bars ect. Of course there are the ones who pretend they can't speak english and will only speak French they may hate us americans but I can't understand them so who cares ay.

Actually I enjoy Canada and it's people ay.

Blogmaster

Dec 9th 2004, 7:50 am

I have always liked Canadians but cannot understand why all this animosity towards and focus on us. We don't look at your news, TV and stereotype you based on the work of a few bad examples of your society.

Live and let live ....

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 8:14 am

What do you say SuteTutor, should congress declare war on Canada? I could use some free land :confused: :cool:

I know that NC has a big screen TV and a nice home, plus a bunch of old worn out Windows boxes that could be used for something :rolleyes:

ferret77

Dec 9th 2004, 8:18 am

I am going to have to say I hate Ann Coutler and Sean hannity

its sort of funny when some insists that "liberals" are racist when the majority of minoritys are "liberal"

There is nothing wrong with being a black republican, it just some people make a carrerr out of it

The republican party is so starved for minority faces they have made it job one to get visible minorities.

Whats that crazy black ex-senators name? It just when you see a minority beign very vocal supporting policys that most other minoritys support, it seems like like a show.

Its like

"get the cameras over here, look at me I'm the black guy who wants to end affirmative actions .... here buy my book"

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 8:27 am

Fox News is a Republican propaganda network controlled by Rupert Murdoch, someone should do some research on him and post it for our friends if you have the time.

I hate those bias bastards also. The Republican party as in the days of Nixon is still the most corrupt party in the history of this nation and is corrupting the entire world.

PS: links on the evil one below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

http://vivisimo.com/search?v%3Asources=Web&query=Rupert+Murdoch&x=60&y=14

So the moral of the story is, you do not hate us good hard working Americans, you hate Rupert Murdoch and the stinking Republicans that he props up along with Bush Senior and Carl Rove.

Blogmaster

Dec 9th 2004, 8:36 am

I know that NC has a big screen TV and a nice home

Yes, I bet he does ... and mostly because the American economy fuels the economy of the world.

and this is for real, no offense, Canadians and Brits but ... you guys are jumping on the bandwagon everytime an opportunity arises, so you should be supporting us and not start bad-mouthing everytime an American person you disagree with gets on TV.

That's why they invented the remote control, no need to even get up :)

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 8:39 am

Hey Site, you trying to make friends here or do you want these guys to get you? We are just kidding guys, don't start the bad rep. points deal, right SiteTutor? :p :) :D

SEbasic

Dec 9th 2004, 8:54 am

and this is for real, no offense, Canadians and Brits but ... you guys are jumping on the bandwagon everytime an opportunity arises, so you should be supporting us and not start bad-mouthing everytime an American person you disagree with gets on TV.I'm not jumping on any bandwagon.

To be honest, you can generalise and categorise all Brits and Canadians as jumping on the bandwagon, but afterall - We aren't the ones that elected a fucking moron.

I'm sorry for my opinions.
If you don't like them, then click a link to get away from here so you don't have to put up with it.

:rolleyes:

Sorry for the harsh post, but that is the kind of comment that really pisses me off. (And I should imagine a lot of other guys this side of the atlantic would be pissed off by it too.)

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 9:01 am

Now, now guys, he was just saying don't judge all Americans by what you see on a propaganda Republican network (FOX NEWS/Rupert Murdoch).

Calm down SE, you know SiteTutor is a good guy. ;)

PS: SE we did not elect Tony Blair, you guys did :) :p

Blogmaster

Dec 9th 2004, 9:17 am

Of course you guys jump on the bandwagon or you wouldn't be in this forum.

Your opinions means nothing, SEB, because the right person is making decisions for your nation..

This started with Canadian animosity towards Americans and suddenly everyone throws his/her garbage out.

SEbasic

Dec 9th 2004, 9:28 am

No, this started off as a comment made by someone regarding the portrayl of canadians within the US media.

I think you'll find my comments toward the particular lady in question somewhat similiar to the comments I made towards you in my previous post.
Your opinions means nothing, SEB, because the right person is making decisions for your nation..I appreciate that.
I'm not as US citizen and as a result my comments in regard to the US nations choice of president mean sod all.Of course you guys jump on the bandwagon or you wouldn't be in this forum. What kind of an argument is that???
Because I disagree with a comment that you made, you accuse me of jumping on a bandwagon.

Let's just rephrase that a little shall we...you have an opinion I don't agree with, therefore I will inform you that your opinion means nothing.
Grow up man. :rolleyes:

Blogmaster

Dec 9th 2004, 9:36 am

lol

say what?

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 9:39 am

Who is that right person SiteTutor?

SEbasic

Dec 9th 2004, 9:40 am

Whatever man...

If you feel as though your comments are justified, you are entitled to your opinion.
To be honest, I couldn't give a shit what you think of brits.

When was the last time you visited the UK just of of interest?
You are clearly very knowledgable on the views of its population, so you must be a regular visitor to our shores.

:)
Edit:
PS: SE we did not elect Tony Blair, you guys did
He doesn't pull the strings, plus I was too young to vote at the time.
I will be voting this year though, although it seems as though whatever way the nation's votes go, we will still end up being controlled by George Dubya.

Blogmaster

Dec 9th 2004, 9:47 am

Anthony, I was talking about Tony Blair.

Since you have already voiced your opinion about him, there is no need for you to reply ;)

anthonycea

Dec 9th 2004, 9:49 am

SE he did not say there was anything wrong with Brit's, he said that the whole world is piling on America in a time of trouble.

This is a time of trouble for our country in the World Community and we need to change policies or it will just get worse.

You have the same problem as our ally at this time SE as the UK is at war also in Iraq.

So we are on the same side of the fence and I do not understand why you both are fighting with each other.

SE the subject of the thread is NC's hate for the blond bimbo Republican propaganda artist on Fox News that runs her mouth off claiming that the Republican party in America favors Blacks which is a lie.

That is what NC was talking about as the reason Canadians hate Americans.

What I am trying to explain to him is this, that crazy bitch is nothing but a hired hand of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News which he owns and he is an Australian.

So everyone has things a bit wrong here.

NewComputer

Dec 9th 2004, 9:52 am

Yes, I bet he does ... and mostly because the American economy fuels the economy of the world.

Not sure where you get that from, but our dollar is closing in on the American dollar pretty quickly. I about .027% of my business in US dollars, so I am not sure where you are getting that from. On the other hand, 2.2% is converted from the Yen. 92.9% is Canadian Funds.

chachi

Dec 9th 2004, 9:59 am

I think what Sitetutor was saying is that the US economy is the largest consumer of foreign products. We stop buying, everyone has serious problems.

Personally, I would love to see the dollar go back to where it has been traditionally against the Canadian dollar. I will be up in Vancouver and Whistler in Feb. :)

anthonycea

Dec 15th 2004, 4:31 am

Hey NC, what is this crap you don't like us American members?

Is this a sub-conscious shot at me NC?

Yeah, Yeah, all this time you are telling me how much you like me but I know the truth NC.

We will get you back for hating us NC :D ;) :p

NewComputer

Dec 15th 2004, 7:09 am

AC, what are you talking about? I don't hate Americans..... I was just stating why the rest of the world and most of Canadians do... because of a few bad apples like Ann Coulter.

As for my feelings on you.... well, let's just say those feelings have not changed ;)

PS: I do like you AC, you just rub me the wrong way sometimes.

anthonycea

Dec 15th 2004, 7:13 am

Just wanted to clear that up NC, I know your hedging on this liking me issue. :confused:

Were you the one who gave me bad rep. with the comment UGH on that last post NC?

SEbasic

Dec 15th 2004, 7:21 am

Damnit people, We're trying to get rid of the bloody red next to anthony's name, not keep it there!

anthonycea

Dec 15th 2004, 7:23 am

Some folks are not in any flow and can't see the joke when I take shots at NC, I told him not to bring his wife on forum SE :confused: ;) :p

NewComputer

Dec 16th 2004, 4:03 am

Just wanted to clear that up NC, I know your hedging on this liking me issue. :confused:

Were you the one who gave me bad rep. with the comment UGH on that last post NC?

No, I didn't, but thank you for the 0/10.....

arundirect

Dec 18th 2004, 3:49 am

A good article under this context proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2929

NewComputer

Dec 18th 2004, 9:03 am

A good article under this context proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2929

That may be one of the worst polls I have ever read, here's why:

71% identify the United States as Canada's closest friend;

-Derrrr... we share the border with them for a few thousand miles. Live on the same continent and have NO OTHER NEIGHBOURS!

67% agree that anti-American statements hurt our ability to resolve disputes with the Americans;

-HAHAHA, for real? Subsitute any other countries name here with America and you will see why I am still laughing. (Start with French, British etc...)

73% believe opposing the policies of President Bush is not the same as being anti-American;
-...

Notwithstanding recent trade disputes and media attention, a full 60% of Canadians say they have positive feelings about the U.S., with another 25% citing "somewhat positive" feelings
-Just hilarious, the trade dispute is probably the one thing that pisses off about 98% of Canadians. So obviously, taking that out will skew those numbers.

I mean, cmon people. I don't think Canadians hate Americans at all. But a poll of this 'magnitude' does not speak for Canadians on a whole. Canada does not hate America, we just hate a lot of their "me first" stipulations, regulations and policies.

Anyways, Ann Coulter is a bitch... ;)

anthonycea

Dec 18th 2004, 9:11 am

Hell NC, what are you talking about, Americans hate Bush policy, even the soldiers fighting the war hate Bush.

Rumsfeld was questioned by the National Guard soldier as to why they are put out to war with defective equipment?

Do you think Bush really cares? He must maintain the oil fields at any cost for his buddies in Houston (Ken Lay and Enron and Exxon).

Now he is bribing the government of Columbia to send troops to Iraq because no other country will support this silly and reckless war that he and dear old dad have bungled for over 15 years now.

The American people will get wise to Cheney and Halliburton, if they did not steal the election a second time they would be looking at prosecution for their crimes right now.

Good old Tom Ridge will save us and Bernie Keric, what a fricking joke Bush and his daddy are.

That is why America is hated worldwide, four letters B U S H and his daddy.

Blogmaster

Dec 21st 2004, 9:47 pm

Hell NC, what are you talking about, Americans hate Bush policy, even the soldiers fighting the war hate Bush.

Wrong Anthony ... sorry, not trying to start any BS but don't lie to yourself publicly.

We just had elections, didn't we?

debunked

Dec 21st 2004, 10:20 pm

Wrong Anthony ... sorry, not trying to start any BS but don't lie to yourself publicly.

We just had elections, didn't we?
sitetutor: Don't confuse him anymore than he already is!

:)

Mia

Dec 21st 2004, 11:05 pm

Now, before you get all hissy, I am not going to stereotype all Americans. The following video incited in me a flame that has not been lit in a long time. I have some very good friends who are from the South, but the following video made me realize why most of the world hates Americans. They do, because people like Ann Coulter are given a platform to spew their garbage on a global scale.

http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=1211

This woman drove me mad. Tucker Carlson I kind of enjoy because he was needling, but Ann Coulter is looking for 15 seconds of fame by being the biggest bitch ever.

Then she follows it up with this shit

http://mediamatters.org/static/video/hc-200411180009.wmv

Why haven't you killed her yet AC?

They've always hated us. They hate what we stand for, they hate we are free, and they hate that we lead. It's not like people just one day woke up and said, damn, Bush is president, let's hate America. They always have. Nothing new.

So what..

As to Ann, she represents what America is about. Just like Mike Moore represents what America is about on the other side of the spectrum. This is what others hate. The fact that we all are FREE to have opinions, even though they differ. That we all can agree to disagree, that we all can be for or against anything. We can do all this without fear of being tortured, fear of being jailed, or out and out banned from society. This is what they hate. They hate the fact that a white rapper can make statements about gays, but then sing with, respect, and even hug old Elton. This is what they hate.

Back to Ann, I assume you are referring to the one sided Canadian talk show (name escapes me, though I get it on Direct TV) that she was on recently? I would be willing to bet they had their best/biggest ratings ever after that show. It was quite an interesting ear full on both sides.

So if Canadians think that Ann Coulter is the problem, and that is why Americans are hated, stop sending people like Pam, and Celine (spelling) down here. :)

Come on, Americans have always been hated. I remember a trip I took to France in 82', they could not stand us. It was the same again in 95 (though quite a bit worse) and again in 97.

It's freedom that they hate, not Americans. Let us remember that 99.9% of the "Americans" that they hate, came from one of their countries to begin with.

We've done a hellava lot for other countries and continue to do so at our own expense for the good of all. If that is something to hate, or be hated for then so bet it.

Anyway.. No hard feelings.. I'm not too fond of some countries myself :)

Mia

Dec 21st 2004, 11:41 pm

Hell NC, what are you talking about, Americans hate Bush policy, even the soldiers fighting the war hate Bush.

They do? Not all. The soilders do? None that I know. What they do hate is the media, and people who have not learned the lessons of Vietnam which is that you support your troops no matter what.

Rumsfeld was questioned by the National Guard soldier as to why they are put out to war with defective equipment?

Really? You do realize that the question was planted by the media right? Also please realize that Kerry (who wanted to be president) voted against body armor and armoring Hummers (not an armored vehicle btw).
The previous admin also cut defense spending more than Carter.

Do you think Bush really cares? He must maintain the oil fields at any cost for his buddies in Houston (Ken Lay and Enron and Exxon).

Oil fields? What are you talking about? Enron? ah, lest we forget, both sides of the political spectrum let that one go on. It all happened under the Clinton years btw.

Now he is bribing the government of Columbia to send troops to Iraq because no other country will support this silly and reckless war that he and dear old dad have bungled for over 15 years now.

Bribing? What? 80 countries support the war in Iraq. Ok, so three that are always indecisive, and always stay out of the fray until the court of public opinion approves are not involved. Well, they were. They are not anymore cause they are not making any money. :)

How did dear old dad bungle it? Because he did not go into Iraq? Look back into your history books. He did not, because we did not have a plan for it. He did not because our objective was clear. Liberate Kuwait and remove Saddam. That was it. And that is what we did. Had we gone further we would have nut cases bitching about why we did.

The American people will get wise to Cheney and Halliburton, if they did not steal the election a second time they would be looking at prosecution for their crimes right now.

Wise to what? Steal the election? Ok, so in order to "steal" something this would mean that it belonged to someone in the first place. How can you steal an election you did not win? Explain..

What crimes are you talking about?

Good old Tom Ridge will save us and Bernie Keric, what a fricking joke Bush and his daddy are.

I guess I did not get the punch line.

That is why America is hated worldwide, four letters B U S H and his daddy.

Ah, now I am beginning to understand. It's all about President Bush. Presidents come and go. To say one or the other is responsible for hatred around the world is a pretty bold statment. Bush is only around for four more years. After that, we move onto the next president, and a whole new set of things to bitch about.

I've really got better things to do than complain. Personally, I would rather have four more years of Bush than four more years of constant belly aching and whining.

Peace.

Mia

Dec 21st 2004, 11:45 pm

What I am trying to explain to him is this, that crazy bitch is nothing but a hired hand of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News which he owns and he is an Australian.

Keep in mind that the owner of Fox News is a Democrat, and endorsed and supported Kerry publically. Kinda hard to figure out when everyone seems to think Fox is a Republican network. I really never get that feeling. I guess if you have one network that has both sides of an issue, instead of one, and the other side happens to be Republican, I guess then I can see a point in this assertion. NOT.

Anyway, the owner of Fox News is/was a Kerry supporter. I find that interesting.

Mia

Dec 21st 2004, 11:58 pm

Go do your own research other than watching Fox/Bush Propaganda network and realize that you have been living in a bubble that is ready to burst just like the one burst in the Vietnam war when we pulled out of that disaster in disgrace.

Did that.. He supported Kerry in the 04 election :)

Looks like one of them just quit Debunked, you remember him, he worked as a General in the first Bush Blunder of the Gulf War when he left the terrorist Saddam in power in a dirty oil deal.

Ok, so let me try and understand this. Bush senior leaves "terrorist" Saddam in power, bad.

Bush Jr. removes "nice humanitarian" Saddam from power, bad.

I'm not understanding the logic. But then again, the air is not quite as light down here.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:42 am

Did what Mia?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rupert+Murdoch+Republican&btnG=Google+Search

Are you sure of what you state Mia?

I think you need some air, check out the following.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=6561&page=4&pp=10

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:31 am

I confess I haven't read this thread and don't intend to -- I'm just responding to the title: "Why Canadians Dislike Americans".

What makes you think they do, Anthony? What are you basing that conclusion on? I have lived here most of my life and while I do see a vocal anti-American segment they are far from the majority. We also have Neo-Nazis, Separatists, Communists, Anarchists, and Religious Fundamentalists in this country and at times they can get pretty vocal too but they don't reflect the views of the majority of Canadians either.

Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers or see on TV. Hell, I'd recommend you don't believe ANYTHING you read in the newspapers or see on TV.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 10:10 am

Minstrel, NC started this thread, not me, you should read the thread because there is some great stuff in it.

Don't blame me, blame NC :p :D

Can I trademark the above slogan?

Minstrel, I did start the following thread on how Americans love everyone from Canada though :D

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=5999&page=3&pp=10

:cool:

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 10:15 am

Ahhh.... sorry, AC. As I said, I didn't read the thread -- just saw the title in the index with your name next to it and jumped to conclusions. Don't ever do that. :eek:

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 10:18 am

That's alright Minstrel, I have been blamed for most of the bad stuff that happens on DP for a long time, might as well pile on with the rest of the gang :D :mad: :confused:

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:04 am

I refuse to believe that Canadians dislike us. Everyone I've ever met from Canada was cool and when I brought up subjects like this, I was told "It's hip to talk shit about Americans in Canada but they don't mean it".

I do believe that that is the case.

I have been to Europe. In France and Germany I have felt the most ignorant resentment beyond my imagination. It is real, the hatred towards us. For what reason?

I really don't give a shit. The careless attitude after 9/11 spoke louder than words.
I hope they will never need us again for anything or I rather hope we won't have one soldier's life on the line for something they should be taking care of themselves.

I have also been to Spain and people were awesome, no judgement based on where you are from.

So basically there is hatred towards us but it depends on where you go.

For some reason it bothers me when Canadians say stuff though. I mean, we have so much of the same culture, we sound alike it's like you're a part of the US (don't get on me now, I know you're your own country) and we have so many similar views on so many issues in the world.

You also have to look at religion, not just oil.

The arabic congress was asked what is the most important issue in the world and overwhelmingly they answered the Palestinian/Israeli issue.

We are the most active supporters out there for Israel for different reasons. If you believe in the bible, you will see on numerous occasions that Christians are called to support the children of Israel. Israel happens to also be the only democracy in the Middle East. A pillar of freedom, a symbol like West Berlin was, a small part of East Germany under American protection.

If you let freedom get away, someone will take it.
There are many idiots here who make fun of the fact that "people hate us" and almost make it sound cool and interesting. There is nothing funny about it. The last thing we want to do is piss people off. But there are certain things that we stand for whihch should never be compromised.

Ask yourself this: without us, where would this world be?
We have made mistakes but don't foget the major clean up in Europe. Europe has had war after war for hundreds of years and all over bullshit. because the French think they are the best, the Germans think they are the best and the Brits couldn't stop colonizing to be the best.

We had our share of disgraces as well but you better look at yourselves before making judgements. The funniest thing is those Europeans who have never even been here talking their nonsense.

I love America and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. That is my prerogative. I also know that many non Americans would prefer living here than where they are.

Ignorance is bliss. Life your life and make the best out of it, Bush is our president and will be for another 4 years. If you don't like it, don't dwell on it. Make your own difference in the world. I loved the Bill O'Reilly interview with Bono, even though I disagreed, he made some great points without slandering. We need more people like that who look at the world from different angles and present their views to the masses who don't like to think for themselves.

and btw, you can have Celine back, but Pam can stay :D

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:12 am

How about we drop Pam off at your house ST, no one else wants her :D :p ;)

I hate to burst your bubble on "the children of Israel", but the Israel you speak of is not the Israel of the bible, the Israel you speak of is a man made state that took the name of Ancient Israel and put it on a nation that men decided to create.

The Israel of the bible consisted of 13 tribes and Judah was only one of those tribes and these folks in so-called Israel are those who fled Europe after WW2 (eastern European Jews descended from the tribe of Judah) to escape persecution in Europe.

They proceeded with the support of the British who ruled Palestine at the time and the USA to kill the natives of that land just like we killed the Indians in America and took their land.

So you have a bit to learn about so-called Christians who support so-called Israelites.

If you believe Billy Graham and Pat Robertson you would hold your beliefs, but they know better and still preach lies.

So don’t mix religion with the lust for money and military bases because that is all man made Israel is to us and to the Jewish people, that does not make it right.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:20 am

Anthony, did you hack into my Xmas wishlist? :D

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:34 am

1st of all quit being a snake for editing your post and turning one sentence into 10.

I am giving you the reason so many people support Bush and Israel, it is not about your opinion (especially yours) or mine.

That is what is wrong with the world that everyone looks at things from his/her point of view only!

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:44 am

I am stating facts, not opinions as you choose to call these facts.

Prove these facts wrong.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 11:52 am

It all depends on what if anything you believe in, Anthony.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:00 pm

Remember that the Romans ruled Palestine in ancient times?

Then the British until 1920, the Jews were scattered to the 4 winds and returned after Hitler's persecution to take what they called their homeland by force, not many of them were even born there, but in Eastern Europe.

History will tell you these things.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:07 pm

It's all a matter of opinion, believe and interpretation, that is why world peace is difficult to achieve.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:15 pm

Exactly, you can believe facts and history that are true or you can believe public relations propaganda and hype put out by various groups to enrich themselves.

Remember this one? “Rightly divide the word of truth”.

Well you are not going to find that with your TV preacher, take my word for it, nor your local preacher for that matter.

You have to study on your own, not accept some pipe dreams that are promoted by so-called prophets.

Santa Claus is a fable and churches promote that also.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:19 pm

lol

The majority of Americans believes in God and is at least somewhat Christian.

So the question is what is the truth and what do you believe in?

You can run your head against the wall all day wondering why people believe what they believe.

I know what I believe in and it's not oil.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:24 pm

Well, you have the world right before you and can find any piece of data by doing a search on a keyword.

So if you have questions you can find the answers, since this is not a religious forum but a webmaster forum we can not keep this discussion going on forever lest we insult each other.

There are religious forums out there, but I choose not to participate in them so I am going to exit stage left, but exit right may be a better choice if you believe in religion.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 12:29 pm

You've got deal, Anthony. It is not a political forum either. All I am saying right now is that people voted for Bush for many reasons. You cannot ignore those reasons cause you will spend your life wondering how he ever got in office.

Religion or believe is powerful.

Peace!

debunked

Dec 22nd 2004, 1:14 pm

AC - You sound like you have been endoctinated by neo-nazis or Israel identity - they have so much propagandy against the jews and try to say that they are the true Israel

The hate for jews drives so many it boggles the mind, and yes the US is hated mostly because they support Israel. The only thing I have seen the arab countries work together on is the destruction of Israel, when they aren't trying to destroy Israel they are killing each other.............. read some more history.... Not out of new books but out of books dated closer to the time of each event (non-PC police edited versions)

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 1:25 pm

Debunked, it would be different if you actually knew what you were talking about, but I always at least make some effort to educate you.

If you read the old testament (you know that book in your bible before the new testament) you will find that ancient Israel was taken into captivity in Babylon and also into Egypt and did not even exist as a nation again until Moses lead them back to the promised land. You should also note that after this the few tribes of ancient Israel that were known were concoqured by the Romans and scattered to the 4 winds.

You do remember also that the anointed one sent his disciples to the "10 lost tribes" of Israel. What does that mean Debunked? That ancient Israel's identity was "LOST". Judah was only one of the tribes that was left when he was on the earth if you will recall and they are the modern people known as Jews.

(I have nothing against the Jewish people and have many Jewish friends, what I do have something against are people who distort the truth.)

That is about as much education as I am going to offer you today Debunked.

Come back with more of your silly insults later that are true to your education and knowledge and I may give you more information that will help remove the smokescreen that you dwell in constantly.

debunked

Dec 22nd 2004, 1:28 pm

I didn't dissagree with that part of history, just answer - why do they not deserve to take their land back?

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 1:38 pm

debunked

Dec 22nd 2004, 1:47 pm

So did you give your land back the native indians yet?

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:33 pm

flawebworks

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:42 pm

Hell yes I will, give me some of the gambling money they make and give me a license to run a casino and I will become a native Indian.

My favorite baseball team is the Cleveland Indians.

PS: I am waiting for you to start the land give back Debunked.

With your logic, the Indians should wage war on us and take their land back like so-called Israel did, hey Debunked?

Even though you have distorted views Debunked, I am starting to like you for some odd reason :p ;)

The average native indian; at least in Florida gets:

If they are 100% indian, at last check a few years ago, $1200 per month
If they are 3/4 indian; so much money, and on down the line. THey also get free health care and a number of perks that I can't remember right now.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:47 pm

Anthony you edited after someone responded again. Bad!

debunked

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:49 pm

I have a friend who has enough of the local tribe to get checks from the casino that is north of here in Oregon.

He doesn't look anymore indian than me, (we have some mixed blood) and he would definitely be considered a red neck by a "blue state" standard. He is a logger, country boy, with a few kids and owns his own business.

But AC are you not saying that Israel needs to give the land back to the Palistinians?

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 2:53 pm

Isn't it great to live in a country of people from all those ethnic backgrounds and still make things work out somehow?

that is where the challenge lies, finding a way for everyone to live together in peace and harmony.

It's tough but I think we're doing a pretty good job considering all the obstacles we had to overcome in the past :)

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 3:24 pm

Anthony you edited after someone responded again. Bad!

Not true ST, I just adjusted some sentences that were not placed properly, you better cut it out man!! :p

Yeah, when we give the land back to the Indians in the USA, that is when our 51st state will give that land back also Debunked.

Remember this one, "The meek shall inherit the earth", God will decide who gets the land Debunked, not men.

debunked

Dec 22nd 2004, 3:44 pm

trust me - I don't want this land when it is all burning.

Anthony, you seem to be reading more and more of the bible lately or have you always hidden that from us before?

BTW - we really want much of the same:
peace for all
food in our bellies
freedom from oppresion
love
kindness from others
roof over our heads
and the same for others

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 3:51 pm

Who said it was THEIR land. If some Eastern Europeans came to Florida with guns to take the rednecks land down here they would be in for a real war now would they not?

You just need to study the issue yourself, as I am not going to educate you on the issue here.

Did we have the right to slaughter the native Indians and take America by force because some Puritan preacher said that God was on our side?

Get real man, it is nothing but the 51st state of America, a nuclear powered US Military base that is subsidized by Billions of free taxpayer money.

If it were not for the US and British support that so-called nation would not even exist. Remember that it was founded by men who high jacked the name of God's ancient nation and put it on a man made state and God is not with this entity.

I'm beginining to understand what we are dealing with now. Come on man, it's Christmas. Relax and do the anit-semi thing next year.

Remember, Palastine is Man made as well.. So too is the USA, and every other country that man roams. Even Canada, though I have my suspicions that people in Bear Suits may have had a hand in developing CA too.

So I suppose all the little states that surround what was once the USSR or not legit as well then? They were before the USSR, and again after.. Its an ever changing landscape out there. Countries come and go. So to do men and man kind.. Things change. Life is short. Relax.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 3:57 pm

Anthony, are you a democrat?

chachi

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:02 pm

Happy holidays everyone! No matter what you do or don't celebrate, have a happy and healthy new year. :)

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:07 pm

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:21 pm

Happy holidays everyone! No matter what you do or don't celebrate, have a happy and healthy new year. :)
Amen, Shalom, Peace on earth!

Anthony, you're lucky, I was hoping you'd anser me with a YES and I woulda edited and replaced it with a different question :D

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:30 pm

You guys too, have a good holiday, Mia, Debunked, ST all of you.

Keep on keeping on, let us hope for better days for America and that this silly war ends soon.

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:42 pm

It has nothing to do with anti-semi as you say Mia, you seem to have a problem with facts with all due respect.

I am a nothingcrat, I will always attempt to do what is right for the average man, if folks like Mia do not understand that our bias toward the 51st state of America has got us in hot water with other nations then it is due time that he and those that think like him wake up unless they want to ruin this nation.

Our policies must change or we and all of our children are doomed and your Republican preachers can not save you nor can the Bush Foundation who is responsible for the current situation we are in.

It comes off as anti-semtic (just an fyi). Anyway, we still have 50 stars on our flag, or so I think we do last time I counted. I just got a new one a couple months ago. So being friends with Isreal is a bad thing? I'm still not sure I understand. Let's see.. Hmm.. Only rational and democratic country in a cesspit of terror nations? Yeah, I guess that is a bad thing. I guess now that both Afghanistan and Iraq are democracies, that makes for State, 52, and 53? Using your logic :)

Again, no hard feelings.. You do come off as quite pesimistic and dare I use the r word.. Anyway..

Peace and Chicken Grease ...

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:50 pm

So maybe we should build a wall around the nation like they are Mia?

Is that the way you wish to live?

Do you have a 30' foot wall around your estate made of concrete?

If they are such a great nation why are they building this wall, you talk about a democratic nation that is building walls?

East Germany used to have a wall and we condemned them, where is your logic?

Is this the direction that we should take America Mia?

America used to be an admired nation, now we are the most hated nation on the face of the earth and our citizens have a hard time traveling without great danger. Do you think we should continue our bias policies unto our own destruction as a nation?

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:13 pm

So maybe we should build a wall around the nation like they are Mia?

Don't need one, save for keeping people like Celine out :) They do. Again, the only democracy in a region of crap, they do what they can to survive.

Is that the way you wish to live?
I kind of do now... I have the US Military and the President defending me.

Do you have a 30' foot wall around your estate made of concrete?

Don't need to.. I do not have any whacko terroist on my Block.

If they are such a great nation why are they building this wall, you talk about a democratic nation that is building walls?

Who said they were great? I never said they were good bad or otherwise.

East Germany used to have a wall and we condemned them, where is your logic?

You're showing your age and lack of history. EG built a wall to keep people in. Israel does it to keep suicide bombers out. Big difference..

Is this the direction that we should take America Mia?

What direction is that? The direction we are in is a safe one. I have long wanted to see our nation on the offensive.. We spent a lot of time and money cleaning up other peoples messes, bailing Europe out of wars, and on and on. Right now, I actually feel safe. We have not been attacked since 9/11/01. The same cannot be said of the previous 8 years when we were attacked constantly and on a regular basis and did nothing. Now we are doing something. If that is a bad direction to go, so be it. If that gets us "hated" around the world, so be it. We owe it to ourselves to be safe and the whole world will eventually stand behind that philosophy.

America used to be an admired nation, now we are the most hated nation on the face of the earth and our citizens have a hard time traveling without great danger. Do you think we should continue our bias policies unto our own destruction as a nation?

What makes you think that we still are not? You watch too much TV... We are the most hated nation on earth? Where do you get this stuff from? I really do not feel unsafe traveling abroad. But then I do not vacation in terror nations, or those that harbor them.. Guess I have been visting the wrong places.

Please direct me to the nearest travel agency that books one way tickets to nations that hate the US. I wanna go there.

Enough of the doom and gloom. The sky is not falling. Relax. Take the holidays off. Reflect on what is really important in your life, and take a break from the NY Times and CNN.. You'll live longer, feel better, and breath easier.

Peace and Chicken Grease.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:14 pm

We are only hated by those whose opinions make no difference or shouldn't make any difference.

Try pleasing morons and it will drain you.

Kinda like the school teacher who wants to be "friends first" with the kids and then get no respect.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:29 pm

Just so happens that the French, Russians, China, Germany, Iran, Syria, N. Korea and the entire Muslim world are not too keen on us and a hell of a lot of the others in Europe would not care if we left Iraq in disgrace. NATO and the EU are supposed to be our partners, remember? What about the UN, do you see them helping us? Bush is now reaching out to Columbia to send troops, what a joke.

So you guys need to read and watch the news a bit more.

Do you think it is fair to station kids out of high school with targets on their backs in a territory that is a complete war zone so the President can save face?

Even Republicans are calling for Rumsfeld to resign and are saying that this administration is a complete disaster in their planning and handling of this war.

Get with the program, this is Vietnam all over again and you guys are blind to even see it.

Do you think that the Russians and the Chinese and others are going to quit selling weapons to the enemies or that they will give up fighting us anytime soon?

Keep dreaming man, if we stay this course we are heading into WW3, so get ready for the great depression because we are already in debt up to our ears and are running a record deficit now.

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:58 pm

don't listen to the masses, make up your mind.

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:16 pm

We're not taking Celine back. You've got her forever now. We're not taking Anne Murray back either. We might consider Wayne and Janet Gretzky, though.

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:25 pm

Our members from Canada at Digital Point are and have been some of my favorite members and add a lot to the forum.

Maybe we should call them the "Canada Gang" or the "Canadian 3"

Compar, Minstrel and NC, the big bang from the "Great North"

I seen a news story the other day about many Americans moving to Canada to escape the Republican disaster and I was thinking before I seen the story that this would be a great possibility. The Canadian immigration office has reported a record amount of interest from Americans wanting to leave the country and move to Canada. They continued to say that promoters of seminars are making a fortune teaching folks how to do it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Americans+moving+to+Canada&btnG=Google+Search

Bush is the greatest thing that has ever happened to Canada.

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:32 pm

We're not taking Celine back. You've got her forever now. We're not taking Anne Murray back either. We might consider Wayne and Janet Gretzky, though.

Fine.. But Wayne is a stayin'. Grew up a Blues Fan in St. Louis.. Man I remember watching him in the "Arena" as it was called, then "CheckerDome". Those were the days.

Not to twist the topic, but there is no other sport on earth more exciting.

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:33 pm

Yep. If you want bad makes-no-sense-at-all government, Canada is the place for you.

There are also more than a few Canadians lining up wanting to get into the US but your immigration policies are a bit tighter. Maybe we could do a two-fer deal or something.

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:39 pm

there is no other sport on earth more exciting.
Yeah... Gretzky speeding gracefully down the ice, Lemieux doing his best to keep up with a bad back, Todd Bertuzzi ending someone else's career with another sucker punch... and all of them whining that they're not being paid enough money... what a game...

anthonycea

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:43 pm

Most of the folks that were interviewed for the story said that Canada more matched their values versus the USA.

One mentioned the pursuit of freedom and opportunity to seek the former values that the USA had before all this current "war on terror" and the resulting police state that we now live in.

Most of the folks lining up to move up there are also well to do and Canada will get the cream of the crop since poor folks can not move anywhere.

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 7:50 pm

Forget it. We're not taking Celine back.

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 8:05 pm

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 8:07 pm

Forget it. We're not taking Celine back.

Ok, fine.. Anyway I was out in Vegas recently and noticed that Celine is a permanent fixture there now. I was trying to figure out how the "Blue Man Group" was able to put on a show every night. A friend of mine out in Vegas told me that there were like 300 blue men, not just 3, so it there is a kinda "rotation" if you will.

So I got to thinking (you know where I am going)... How does Celine do this stuff every night.. My God - NO - there are 300 Celines? ARgH!!!

:eek:

minstrel

Dec 22nd 2004, 8:13 pm

It's possible. Probably cloned by that guy on South Park who cloned the four-ass monkey.

If there are 300 of her, you have to keep them all.

Mia

Dec 22nd 2004, 8:20 pm

Man, I remember that one.. That was hillarious!

Blogmaster

Dec 22nd 2004, 9:05 pm

Our members from Canada at Digital Point are and have been some of my favorite members and add a lot to the forum.

Maybe we should call them the "Canada Gang" or the "Canadian 3"

Compar, Minstrel and NC, the big bang from the "Great North"

I seen a news story the other day about many Americans moving to Canada to escape the Republican disaster and I was thinking before I seen the story that this would be a great possibility. The Canadian immigration office has reported a record amount of interest from Americans wanting to leave the country and move to Canada. They continued to say that promoters of seminars are making a fortune teaching folks how to do it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Americans+moving+to+Canada&btnG=Google+Search

If Hilary Rodham Clinton becomes president ever ...

anthonycea

Dec 23rd 2004, 3:12 am

"Police State" anthonycea you crack me up.

I've not noticed anything different since 9/11 other than the fact we have not been attacked. I've lost no civil liberties. I still seem to have the same protection under the law and the US Consistution that I had prior.

You should think about joining a comedy club.... I'd pay money to listen to this.

Peace

Have you heard of the "Verichip" Mia? Do a search on that keyword to see your future. This is the way that the government will sort out so-called non-terrorists along with retina scans and biometric identification.

Next think about John Ashcroft and his wanting to know each book that folks check out of the library and knowing what you view online.

Did you not see that the government is now watching forums and chat rooms very close or did you miss that?

You keep thinking it is comedy Mia, but I am serious as your next heart attack.

:cool:

Mia

Dec 23rd 2004, 6:44 am

Kicking back on Grandpa's old cough syrup are we, eh'?

Start the holiday cheer a bit earily haven't we. Man, you need to relax. Don't be so paranoid. I've not seen anyone this paranoid since that Mexican bus boy I worked with in high school. The cooks at the Playboy Club go him so stoned he thought he was being chased by pink elephants...

Ah, Orwell....

Dark_Matter

Dec 23rd 2004, 7:48 am

there are some crazy headlines coming out of the states these days, so you can understand why people think were living in some crazy orwellian nightmare. but, aside from longer lines at the airport, the average citizen's life hasnt changed.

NewComputer

Dec 23rd 2004, 8:15 am

Every country has their conspiracy theorists. AC is one of the US' many..... I don't blame him, it makes for some good read. The whole verichip idea is laughable though.

Blogmaster

Dec 23rd 2004, 9:19 am

I can see AC sitting on some park bench 30 years from now telling people how the government is following him around :)

debunked

Dec 23rd 2004, 9:30 am

I can see AC sitting on some park bench 30 years from now telling people how the government is following him around :)
Park bench?

Do they have parks at the insane asylum? :D

He will also have one of the coveted white jackets one?!?!?!! :eek:

anthonycea

Dec 23rd 2004, 9:42 am

Look at this search and then tell me I am insane, you guys are so far behind current events that the truth is a shock to you future "Verichip Zombies", don't log in without it guys, because one day you will not be able to.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=verichip+terrorists&btnG=Google+Search

Who did you say was insane again :confused: Go look in the mirror next time you think that :cool:

debunked

Dec 23rd 2004, 9:54 am

AC - I was playing with you on the conspiracy part, the 'news' you link to is old. The technology is getting old now. I here in France that kind of chip is more popularly used than anywhere else?? Just heresay so I don't know if it true though.

Anthony, you need to relax a little, the stress will only hurt you. I am sorry if I pushed you too hard with my last comment.

NewComputer

Dec 23rd 2004, 10:13 am

AC buddy, there will always be room for you up here in the woods of Canada where you can hunt your own meals, live off the fat of the land and make the best preservative free beer in the world (no hangovers people).

You are welcome to come on up and I will let you sleep on our covered deck. Sorry, room #2 is the office....

anthonycea

Dec 23rd 2004, 10:21 am

Old news Debunked? I am not under stress, but I think you are when it comes to understanding current events and issues.

They are already thinking about requiring all airline employees to get these ID and information chips implanted as security.

It is in the current news, it is not old news as you say, come out of the smokescreen you live in Debunked because you are blinded by what is already in your mind.

There is an old saying Debunked, it goes like this, you can learn more with your ears than you can with your mouth.

That is what you really need to do, keep your ears open and your fingers off the keyboard, especially since you really do not have a grasp of issues and like to run off a lot.

al2six

Dec 25th 2004, 12:12 am

aside from longer lines at the airport, the average citizen's life hasnt changed.read the patriot act. and i don't mean msnbc's gist of it, read the actual act. then you'll see that a lot has changed... for the worse.

david_sakh

Dec 26th 2004, 10:05 am

read the patriot act. and i don't mean msnbc's gist of it, read the actual act. then you'll see that a lot has changed... for the worse.

A cattle ranch doesn't work all that well unless the populace is lined up against the fence, consuming neatly in plain sight. I mean, we ARE cattle, right?

anthonycea

Dec 26th 2004, 10:11 am

Worse than Cattle, if we were smart we would simply demand that our lawmakers impeach Bush and his administration and put an end to the killing in the name of War and Oil dollars.

Our soldiers are tired of Bush and Rumsfeld's lies and their line of bullshit and we need to put pressure on lawmakers and tell them that we are going to put them all in the unemployment line in the mid term elections if they do not get off their asses and demand change in this silly Bush policy that is bankrupting this nation and sending young folks to their deaths in a war that we can not win and that will never end until we pull out.

We do not have the support of the nations of the world on this.

HHI Golf Guy

Dec 27th 2004, 3:23 pm

Years ago my father left Canada for the vast opportunities available in our country that he could not find north of our border, nor could his parents find those opportunities in old Russia. Today, most of my relatives still live in Canada.

I can tell you that Canadians harbor a lot of animosity and jealousy towards the U.S. Compared to other places in the world, everything comes easy to us. Geez, I remember hosting a family from the Ukraine for Thanksgiving and they were stunned by all of the food on the table. Super Wal Mart almost gave them a heart attack!

Canada is a microcosm of what the world is moving towards - secularism and socialism. Nobody wants to offend anyone, and everyone should have equal access to opportunities (i.e. healthcare, etc). If you want to be in a 46% tax bracket and have to wait 6 months for surgery - then Canada just may be the place for you. Heck, marijuana will be legal there any month now.

Canadians may harbor animosity and jealousy towards the U.S., but their entire economy would collapse if we cut our exports are added tariffs to our goods. If I remember correctly, Canada imports close to 60% of its goods from the U.S.

As for the war, there is a much bigger picture to the war on terror than most people realize. Bush did not start this war because of oil, or any other material items. Like him or not, President Bush is a man with deep convictions and beliefs. His is not just a fight on terrorists - it's a fight for the civilized world.

War is an ugly, horrible thing - and I do wish that our troops were safe at home on our own soil. But look at the alternative. THESE PEOPLE BLOW THEMSELVES UP FOR THEIR "CAUSE". They have Kalishnakovs and RPG's, but little food or education. They are raised to hate Western culture, especially the U.S. Why? Is it because we supply free food, medicine, and aid while their own leaders live in lavish palaces and their population suffers?

In the U.S., we are a country of instant gratification (fast food, movies on demand, ATM's, you name it). That's why many people are frustrated with the war on terror - it didn't end within a week or two. Helping an oppressed country to realize a more free form of government is the first of many steps in eliminated this blind hatred on the part of these terrorists. While tolerance may be achieved sometime on our lifetime, it will be generations before any semblance of true peace is realized.

President Bush realizes this. That's why he was willing to stick with his beliefs of a better future for the entire planet and risk losing the election. Like him or not, he is a man of conviction.

Now, who wants to open the debate if we are on the road to The Rapture and the end of the world?

minstrel

Dec 27th 2004, 3:36 pm

Today, most of my relatives still live in Canada. I can tell you that Canadians harbor a lot of animosity and jealousy towards the U.S.
Some Canadians, a vocal minority, may harbor animosity and jealousy, perhaps your relatives among them. However, you don't speak for Canada and neither do they.

Canada is a microcosm of what the world is moving towards - secularism and socialism. Nobody wants to offend anyone
Excuse me? Have you been reading posts by Canadians here? We love offending people... look at Compar :D

and everyone should have equal access to opportunities (i.e. healthcare, etc). If you want to be in a 46% tax bracket and have to wait 6 months for surgery - then Canada just may be the place for you.
Yep. We have a government that loves the Democrats. With any luck, that will change.

Heck, marijuana will be legal there any month now.
No it won't. It's being decriminalized, not legalized. That means that simple possession will get you a traffic ticket instead of a jail term. Growing and distributing pot will still get you a substantial jail term.

Canadians may harbor animosity and jealousy towards the U.S., but their entire economy would collapse if we cut our exports are added tariffs to our goods. If I remember correctly, Canada imports close to 60% of its goods from the U.S.
And we export quite a bit of raw materials and power so the US can turn them into produicts to sell back to us -- symbiosis, pal. When it works, it works well.

Our government may be hostile to you and yes there is a vocal faction that supports that attitude -- please don't paint all of us with the same brush or the same flawed logic.

debunked

Dec 27th 2004, 3:38 pm

Great finish golf guy, that is too funny. Now you will have someone who I won't mention (AC) ramble off about tv evangelists and hosts on foxnews and how they have brainwashed you. LOL

The rest of it has some point of views that may be off though, like Minstrel says, not all, just like the silent majority here in the US, we voted for Bush.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 4:00 pm

Fact # 1) The dollar is at record lows against the EURO and if Japan and China and the investors in those countries pull money out of US investments and banks our financial system will go into depression.

Fact # 2) We have the largest deficit in the history of any nation in the history of the world.

Fact # 3) Bush Senior screwed the American people in the first Gulf war by not taking Saddam out when we were on the ground then.

Fact # 4) Oil is at record prices.

Fact # 5) We have no support from the EU, NATO or the UN and are now asking Columbia to send troops to back us up in our current Vietnam War that we will lose and leave in disgrace just as we did in Vietnam.

Fact # 6) Our soldiers are questioning Rumsfeld and Bush as to why they are still in Iraq and the media is reporting sagging morale.

Fact # 7) China, Russia, France and Germany will watch us and our soldiers get defeated before they will help, China and Russia will continue sending weapons into the war zone until we withdraw.

Fact # 8) This war will never end because of our bias support of so-called Israel our 51st state, since we are not even handed with the nations of the mid-east they all hate us and will use our oil dollars to buy weapons to destroy us.

Fact # 9) We need honorable leaders and not the Bush Senior administration that got us into this mess in the first place when he let Saddam live in the first Gulf war in a dirty oil deal.

Want more facts or do you want to just keep throwing money and lives that we don't have at this fraudulent Halliburton war conducted by Houston Oil men?

Monday, December 27, 2004

minstrel

Dec 27th 2004, 4:11 pm

Damn it, GolfGuy... now look what you did :mad:

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 4:13 pm

Blame it on the Canadians Minstrel, I do believe that folks from Canada generally have more sense than American's, no wonder Americans are leaving for Canada :D :)

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 4:17 pm

War is an ugly, horrible thing - and I do wish that our troops were safe at home on our own soil. But look at the alternative. THESE PEOPLE BLOW THEMSELVES UP FOR THEIR "CAUSE". They have Kalishnakovs and RPG's, but little food or education. They are raised to hate Western culture, especially the U.S. Why? Is it because we supply free food, medicine, and aid while their own leaders live in lavish palaces and their population suffers?

Think about history. America stood by and did nothing during the postwar British betrayal and occupation of arab lands. America has been imperialist throughout much of its history, it has changed sides in the middle east almost continuously and it has only steadfastly supported isreal and this obviously doesn't sit well with them. American ideas contrary to the Quran have infilitrated their culture and assaulted deeply-rooted beliefs. An abusive rapist who tosses candy the way of his victim every once in a while is not worthy of respect, in their eyes. If we were trustworthy and made honorable moves on the world stage, not convienient ones, then they might be convinced to do the same.

President Bush realizes this. That's why he was willing to stick with his beliefs of a better future for the entire planet and risk losing the election. Like him or not, he is a man of conviction.

Hitler was a man of conviction as well. I'll take rationality before conviction anyday.

Canada is a microcosm of what the world is moving towards - secularism and socialism.

That's an interesting theory, but it will only have a chance to come true if our global communication infrastructure remains intact and western ideas continue to flow through it. There ARE 3 more continents out there you know - even though their influence has dimished of late, we can't base our long-term future on less than a century or two of major change.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 4:30 pm

The Quran was written by a child molester who calls his followers to conquer by the sword and fight Christians and jews.

If you wanna be a bystander like the Germans during the 3rd Reich, be my guest.

I believe in following those who stand up for their believes.

Justifying anything the arab world is doing is insanity.

Israel is the only demoracy in the entire middle east.

Look how the muslims treat their women. Do you wanna justify that with the word culture?

Get real, bro. Have some backbone and tell me what is really going on.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 4:33 pm

SiteTutor, read post 141 over and over and you will see what has went on and what is really going on.

Sorry the real facts hurt your feelings, reality is hard when you have lived in a fantasy for so long.

The Roman empire stood up for what they believed and killed and enslaved many nations including Judah, where are they today SiteTutor?

I grew up in the Catholic church, thank God none of us had priests that did those things to the kids in our church ST, but you condemn a man that others believe in, then you should condemn also those in the church who do wrong things to young kids.

Also who told you that propaganda? Were you around in 600 AD?

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 4:36 pm

Anthony, I don't like liars and any form of misleadings.

I read what David Sakh writes and it takes the cake....

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 4:43 pm

What he said takes some understanding to grasp, you need to stay cool and stick to facts and to the debate at hand and not take personal the posts of others.

Come back with your reason and facts, that makes for a better debate and thread ST. :)

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 4:45 pm

bullshit, Anthony. That whole sweet talking diplomacy thing will never work with the arab world.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 4:52 pm

Colin Powell thought it would have worked and he was a military man, do you know more than him and can you explain why he is leaving the Bush Administration?

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 4:55 pm

The more you read and get eduated, the less you know, Anthony because your mind is so made up that you select what you pay attention to.

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 4:57 pm

bullshit, Anthony. That whole sweet talking diplomacy thing will never work with the arab world.

so I guess the best remedy is a nice bomb, is it?

The Quran was written by a child molester who calls his followers to conquer by the sword and fight Christians and jews.

*cough* Crusades *cough*

If you wanna be a bystander like the Germans during the 3rd Reich, be my guest.

God forbid the American people stand by a let a reckless leader take charge...

I believe in following those who stand up for their believes.

as long as they are Americans? Al-Queda is standing up for its beliefs, is it not?

Justifying anything the arab world is doing is insanity.

How so? How is anything they are doing anything different from human behavioral patterns over the last 10 melinnia?

Israel is the only demoracy in the entire middle east.

And IS democracy the answer? Thomas Hobbes might disagree with you. Either way, it is not up to us to decide how another people should conduct their lives, even said so President Wilson.

Get real, bro. Have some backbone and tell me what is really going on.

What is really going on is this: one country which has enjoyed a spurt of prosperity is doing just what the empires of old have done. I'm not anti-American, I'm not anti-democracy, but you can't force yourself upon other peoples, take and take and take and expect them to keel over in gratitude.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 4:59 pm

David, are you arabic?

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 5:00 pm

David, are you arabic?

no, I am an American.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 5:00 pm

an arabic american?

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 5:08 pm

Ever since high school began and I was exposed to many viciously ignorant ideas growing up in the south, I began to train myself to look at reality through the lens of non-bias, shoving aside as much as I could that wasn't grounded in logic, fact, or the fundamental goodness of man that I felt was justified in making these evaluations.

Growing up I too was enraged every time American blood was spilt, and even suggested that America nuke her enemies and be done with them. But as I got older and started withdrawing from the crowd and the circulation of centric, popular opinion, I realized that there are many ugly truths about life in this country that must of us just stumble past. Nationalism is rampant, and we have a serious supirioirity complex. Our cultural norms, often strange taken at face value, are vaunted, celebrated and those of others are condemned and mocked.

I'm open to an open-minded debate. But facts are key here. America, indeed the western world, would be nothing without logic - let's try to sustain that here.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 5:08 pm

What is the difference what descent one is ST, like I said stick to the facts of the debate, not if a brother says he eats pigs feet then he has to be a black man.

Maybe if someone says they eat a pork roast on new years day you will ask is he a Catholic?

If one keeps the Passover does he have to be Jewish?

Stick to the facts of the debate, it matters not if one is a Jew, Catholic, Muslim or is from the hood.

OK ST?

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 5:11 pm

With the garbagge I am reading here ... Thank God Bush is in charge.

Mike

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 5:13 pm

I would venture to say that most readers will regard yours as that ST, too bad for you and your President.

Have you thought of going to Iraq to support your President?

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 5:30 pm

There have obviously been some "very un-American" influences in Davids's life.

To say the least.

You're just confused, Anthony. He has obviously a lot more riding on this train.

beware!

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 5:34 pm

Comrade Sonia, why haven't you attended latest Party rally? :rolleyes:

You ostracize rational thinkers, fuel reckless nationalism, and support anything a perfectly corruptable government does, and consume whatever a perfectly corruptable media dishes out without second thought to the evidence of the past, and you'll have done more damage to this nation's ideals than any terrorist organization could ever do.

America has a chance to redeem itself. We've won many battles for the sake of human progress - I just hate to see us perpetuating our reckless side that never seems to go away. And we have to remember that we're human too, and that our blood is no richer, purer, or more valuable than anyone elses.

If you'd stop to think, you'd realize that many who don't support America's actions are just holding out to try to make the country better. There is no ulterior motive, and if anything, we are the true patriots, who love our country too much to see it remain something other than the shiny, ideal state we thought we knew as children.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 5:36 pm

Right ST, when you have some facts to add instead of just raw emotion, "bring em on" like your President said.

Or maybe this one will help you understand because you really do not understand the real issue is this, the leadership of the Bush Foundation that said under a banner on a battleship last May.

"The War is over" ;) :) :D

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 6:12 pm

an arabic american?
lol ... has this question been answered yet?

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 6:16 pm

How about this one ST, since you do not dwell on facts but want to label posters.

Are you from Israel or descended from the tribe of Judah?

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 6:19 pm

Goes to show you what a fucked up world we live in, but thanks to the American ppl and G.W. the world is being cleaned up.

I may edit this post later because you never know how much hatred is out there unless you have experienced it first hand or have family who has.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 6:25 pm

Why does that bother you?

I am half Lebanese and half Italian, so what man, the anointed one who is from God is of the tribe of Judah. He preached that one should love a brother as yourself or do unto others as you would have done to you.

So if you are ashamed you are wrong.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 6:39 pm

not ashamed, just able to read between the lines when looking at posts like David's.

The enemy is always there, bro!

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 6:45 pm

Goes to show you what a fucked up world we live in, but thanks to the American ppl and G.W. the world is being cleaned up.

So killing people is 'cleaning up?'

That sounds astoundingly like some good 'ol 1939 RN Propaganda, hot off the plate.

not ashamed, just able to read between the lines when looking at posts like David's.

The enemy is always there, bro!

Oh do quit. We may not be right but you've come to the point where you can no longer substantiate arguments so personal insults and racial suppositions become the rule of the day. Just bow out, or better yet, pop open some resources and learn the truth about the world you live in and try to gain some insight into why you think like you do, why you viciously attack those who don't openly support invasion, murder, and plunder. I for one don't enjoy lying to myself at night.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 6:46 pm

just because you are a Nazi doesn't mean other people fight wars for the same reason.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 6:47 pm

He did not look like a threat to me or to you, opinions are part of the constitutional rights of Americans, you have to realize that and accept that others have opinions and they may not be in line with yours but should be considered as you can learn from other viewpoints.

The reason Hitler was so successful in getting Germans to fight is the fact that he convinced them that they were fighting in self defense when in fact he deceived the nation as he was in an offensive war mode.

So you can not always follow leaders blindly as they did, you must consider the views of others or you to will fail in dealings with others.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 6:50 pm

BS the Germans always hated Jews and always wanted to conquer the world.

You are so ignorant to the real issues in the world Anthony, you are lucky you are in the USA or your ass would be dead. You remind me of british PM Chamberlain who told the world "Hitler is no threat, I had a great talk with him."

Thank God there are other people making decisions for you!

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 6:53 pm

The reason Hitler was so successful in getting Germans to fight is the fact that he convinced them that they were fighting in self defense when in fact he deceived the nation when he was in an offensive war mode..

For European figureheads this was the norm back during the first great war. The reason hitler could control the emotions of his people was probably in large part due to the miserable position the german people were in. They hated the Wiemar Rupublic, were in disbelief at having not claimed the german empire's place in the sun a couple decades ago, and were burdened with huge Allied reparations, the ripple effect of the American great depression, and the scars the great war had left. They sapped up any excuse to get out of their plight, and were willing to take any scapegoat.

It only goes to show you what happens when irrational heads prevail.

BS the Germans always hated Jews and always wanted to conquer the world.

This is certainly not true. Although before the nazi regime jews were persecuted in germany to an extent, it wasn't far removed from what was happening elsewhere. Hitler created a scapegoat, virtually overnight, and the people ate it up, especially after the nazi sponsored Kristanllnant, or "The Night of Broken Glass." Hate became a civic duty. As for conquering the world, that wasn't a very unique or sinister ambition, many empires have shared that same sentiment.

you are lucky you are in the USA or your ass would be dead.

at the hands of the ignorant and the brutish, those who have been limiting human potential for generations. Can't you see? The larger war, the human war, is the war against ignorance.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 6:58 pm

Why don't you inform us of the "real issues" because I am so lost without your insight.

You completely missed the point of my last post because instead of thinking you still respond with raw emotion.

Maybe an open forum is not your cup of tea SiteTutor.

Sounds like you need a forum where all are in line with your views.

Maybe you should join the Billy Graham/Bush Senior/Republican Nixon forum.

I am sure that they would all share the same views you have.

Halliburton would hire you in a second, they do have divisions supporting the military in Iraq. You never answered my question, are you going to Iraq to support your beliefs?

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 7:06 pm

You remind me of british PM Chamberlain who told the world "Hitler is no threat, I had a great talk with him."

A major blunder, to be sure. What with a rubber stamp parliment, 3 years of absoulte power guaranteed, Hitler could certain become a major threat. The key here was that Hitler lied, and as we all know he was a master of deciet. He must have put on a show when he agreed not to take any more lands - that's what made Chamberlain so confident.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 7:17 pm

SiteTutor, go tell the mothers that lost sons in the war "Thank God others are making decisions for you".

Then ask Bush how many of his kids and relatives were sent to the front lines to defend America in this war?

Next, go back and read post # 141 over and over so you can get a grasp of the destruction that Bush is working on this nation's and the world economies with this silly oil land grab.

Blogmaster

Dec 27th 2004, 7:21 pm

Blame the right people and not the ones who take tough measures to protect you from them.

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 7:22 pm

Then ask Bush how many of his kids and relatives were sent to the front lines to defend America in this war?

Blame the right people and not the ones who take tough measures to protect you from them.

That "defend America" should be in parenthesis. The war in Afghanistan was justified in that it was a retaliatory act of war made in response to a significantly more vicious act of war by Osama bin Laden. But the war in Iraq - I still don't understand why things had to be this way. Iraq poses no real threat to the homeland and made no move upon us.

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 7:24 pm

I hate to break the news to your ST, but our soldiers are done believing Bush and Rumsfeld lies and want out of this war, watch the news for once.

Send your kids to fight, these guys want to come home.

david_sakh

Dec 27th 2004, 7:33 pm

I'm really sick of this. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.

If you think about it, we ARE hijacking this thread....

anthonycea

Dec 27th 2004, 7:35 pm

Make love not war :) ;)

:rolleyes: :confused:

HHI Golf Guy

Dec 27th 2004, 7:57 pm

Hitler was a man of conviction as well.

That is a riduculous infalmmatory type of remark that many politicians use to incite people that only listen to sound bites on the news rather than digesting the full story and background. There is not one logical comparison to be drawn between Hitler and President Bush. Sure, one could make an emotional argument - but not a logical argument.

Minstrel - I was wrong in painting all Canadians in that light. However, I am still convinced that there is a large secular and socialist movement that threatens the culture and the future of Canada. And yes, we do rely on Canadian imports. My point is that it would be far easier for the U.S. to replace Canadian imports than it would be for Canada to replace U.S. imports.

The secular movement is also gaining ground here in the U.S. and throughout the world. This will be a major cause of the downfall of our modern society. Now, wait a minute here - I'm not a Bible thumping southern boy. Throughout history religion (in almost all forms) has provided a morale compass for society. Most cultures (and governments) have foundations in law based upon religious principles.

Furthermore, religion is a foundation that binds many cultures together. Have you ever noticed the extreme likenesses and similarities in Christianity, Judaism, the Muslim faith, and other religions? Did you ever wonder why that is the case?

The answer is quite simple - storytelling. Back in the days of the Old Testament and New Testament storytelling - not writing - was the way to pass along history and information. And we all know what happens when we pass along a story from to one person, who tells another person, and so on. The story begins to change according to the storyteller. The fact is that origin of almost all major religions point back to the same origin in time!

If we eliminate the "morale compass" from our laws and our everyday lives, mankind is destined to fail. Man (in general) is inherently greedy for wealth and power and cannot be trusted to act on his own for the greater good. A secular society only hastens our own demise.

flawebworks

Dec 27th 2004, 9:02 pm

About 10 years ago, I made big plans to move to Canada. It was love if you wanna know the reason. I actually went. I was gone from the US for exactly 2 weeks. Did everything I could to get a job. Don't you know; at least back then; the Canadians had this crazy - policy?? - in place. They hired *Canadians!* first! Go figure!
I didn't have papers; tho I was working to this end and I couldn't freakin work!
Jeesh! :eek:

So I came home. I can't live without working; and 10 years ago the Canadians I knew anyway had a problem with finances - times were tough all over, jobs were hard to come by and my god; a pack of cigarettes cost an arm and a leg with a toe on it. So it was best for me to be home where I could work.

I feel this way. I'm not always thrilled with the government and the people running it. We aren't perfect, lots of room for improvement. But if you are *that* unhappy with the US; then you really need to get yer ass on outta here. Go live in a country for awhile that dictates how you dress, speak, talk and fart, and you're forced to pray whether you believe or not. Oh; and leave the flag please.

minstrel

Dec 27th 2004, 9:09 pm

Go live in a country for awhile that dictates how you dress, speak, talk and fart, and you're forced to pray whether you believe or not.
Just to clarify, he's not talking about Canada there. We're not allowed to pray at all anymore but we get to fart any way we like.

debunked

Dec 27th 2004, 9:30 pm

Just to clarify, he's not talking about Canada there. We're not allowed to pray at all anymore but we get to fart any way we like.
I feel like I just read the finale! LOL

I think there are about 10 new pages of posts on this thread since this morning, my goodness they have been busy.

Funny thing is, I believe they really want the same things in life, just see different ways of it happening.

Take the idea of peace:
one side says to just sit down and ignore them and they will go away and the other side says "lets kick some but and forget taking names."

But they want peace, the lack of threat, no body pulling a gun on them or blowing themselves up for whatever reason. Just Peace.

I know the Prince of Peace, and He will bring it someday, (I wish I knew exactly when, but it looks closer than ever.)

Peace to you all.

anthonycea

Dec 28th 2004, 3:17 am

Good post Debunked.

The main thing that America is lacking is even handed judgment in dealing with all nations fairly and this is why our influence, image and power in the world is on the decline.

Nations want to see America destroyed because they see us unfairly supporting a military state that is building 30 foot concrete walls to keep the native Indians out.

So unless we realize that just because we did that here in America and it so-called worked (God was on our side and put the guns in our hand, right guys) does not mean that we can go anywhere in the world, kill the natives, take their land and install puppet governments to extend American power worldwide.

The nations of the world do not support us in this adventure and we must learn that our power is not all that great and we are doing more damage to America than good by turning 95% of the population of the world against us (Billions of people versus 250 million Americans).

david_sakh

Dec 28th 2004, 8:08 am

That is a riduculous infalmmatory type of remark that many politicians use to incite people that only listen to sound bites on the news rather than digesting the full story and background. There is not one logical comparison to be drawn between Hitler and President Bush. Sure, one could make an emotional argument - but not a logical argument.

Hehe. I didn't mean it like that, but I can easily understand how it could be taken that way. sorry. :) All I'm saying is that conviction alone does not make the man nor does it justify his convictions. There are better reasons to support someone...

In other words, I'm not making a comparison, I'm just attacking a weak train of logic.

The secular movement is also gaining ground here in the U.S. and throughout the world. This will be a major cause of the downfall of our modern society. Now, wait a minute here - I'm not a Bible thumping southern boy. Throughout history religion (in almost all forms) has provided a morale compass for society. Most cultures (and governments) have foundations in law based upon religious principles.

But religion had to spawn from something inherent in humans. Even if one religion was right, lets say Christianity, many so-called 'ridiculous' religions, customs, and beliefs had to spawn from somewhere, and if it wasn't from God, it had to be from something inside the people themselves. Government can outlaw religion but I'm sure that man will always try to explain himself in a society where at least a small degree of free-thinking is encouraged.

al2six

Dec 29th 2004, 8:22 pm

Fact # 3) Bush Senior screwed the American people in the first Gulf war by not taking Saddam out when we were on the ground then.
no, it was a good think he didn't take out saddam. and the reason he didn't do it is he didn't have a plan. if you take out a country's leader, you have to have a plan to help them setup a new government. if you don't, guess what happens? we're seeing it right now in iraq. bush senior was smart enough to realize that taking out saddam with no plan for how to get the country back on track would be a disaster.

anthonycea

Dec 29th 2004, 8:24 pm

Then why did he take him out nearly 15 years late, can you give us your opinion on that?

Mia

Dec 30th 2004, 10:58 am

Read.

<insert useless text cause post to too short>

anthonycea

Dec 30th 2004, 3:40 pm

Great post man, you are having a great week :p

Olney

Jan 2nd 2005, 12:25 pm

One gripe Canadians can have is in Japan if you're Canadian & white most Japanese people will first ask:
Are you American?

This can become fustrating I think.

anthonycea

Jan 2nd 2005, 12:32 pm

We do the same thing to the Japanese in America, we ask them if they are from Japan :p :D ;)

Blogmaster

Jan 3rd 2005, 10:46 am

wrong ... we just assume every asian person is chinese first

webcabbie

Aug 10th 2009, 1:36 am

Without reading any previous post.. you must dislike us because deep down inside you KNOW that at any second given the opportunity every armed man woman and child would march north and rape and pillage every ahem.. city you have if we thought you were 1) A danger to us 2) would lower gas back under $1.00 a gallon.

Thank you! That is all !

debunked

Aug 10th 2009, 1:06 pm

webcabbie

Aug 10th 2009, 3:22 pm

debunked

Aug 10th 2009, 3:38 pm

Its a post about nothing.. why do Canadians dislike Americans? Does anyone really care what 3 million guys with socialist leanings all named Doug really think ?

Somehow I got an infraction point for this.. whatever that means.. for an inappropriate post????? Did I cuss? No? Then why the infraction? Is there an appeals process Forum Nazi?

Don't ask me, I did nothing but reply to you. If you dig up an old thread and type something that doesn't appear to make any sense the mods might deem it post-count padding.

I just thought it was lame since you didn't use the quote button and so you post doesn't fit any of the last prior posts.

So, don't cry to me, I can't give or remove infractions.

webcabbie

Aug 10th 2009, 4:01 pm

The infraction was " Inapropriate post" and whoever gave it to me said " I am from Boston and didn`t particularly like what you wrote" I didn`t mean to have it seem as if I was wining to you directly just a general wine to the world really..

I am new to DP and was searching for posts containing Taxi,Cab,Limo etc. and came across this post. After reading the title of the original post I laughed and wrote what I wrote. I always thought it was funny that Canadians have complaints about Americans. How many billions have they saved on defense because the toughest kid on the block is their friendly neighbor?

Anyway.. apologies to the MOD who gave me the infraction because they didn`t like what I wrote.. seems a bit harsh to give me some kind of infraction point because you do not like my opinion but hey.. the world needs uptight hall monitors too I guess. If we didn`t have people like you MOD maybe the world would descend into anarchy.

I`ll limit my use of DP henceforth to learning and won`t post except to ask industry related questions. MMMMK Forum NAZI?

TheRantAndRave

Aug 10th 2009, 4:02 pm

Well here's my thought on everything, the world shouldn't hate Americans, they should hate the majority of the people that represent and are the face of America.

The media is controlled for the most part by conservative capitalist and for the most part, most of our politicians are corrupt, scam artists, swindlers, and scumbags.

Really, America is so f------ sugar coated. This country is built up of immigrants from everywhere. I live in southwest Detroit, and it is all minority and immigrants. If you look, there is a liquor store on every corner.. Ironic. All of the different cultures fight, blacks Mexicans, blacks whites, it goes on.

For example I was driving on the freeway in a car full of some friends, a couple were black, Mexican and white. This was right after Obama became president.

Some redneck pulls up on the side of us and starts making racists comments to the blacks and acting like he is shooting a gun at them.

It is ignorant.

I just think it is all ridiculous. Then again you got rap artists in the media talking about how cool it is to shoot people, sell drugs, gang bang, be ghetto and live in a hood.

The majority of them end up dead or in jail. Now you got white kids from suburbs trying to act ghetto, like they had a rough life when they wouldn't last a day in a place like that.

It's a mess, people need to just be themselves, quit having false idols, and get the f--- along with each other no matter what race they are.

I just don't know anymore. And there is a lot more that goes on in America then what you people from other countries perceive.

So quit hating on America and hate on the majority of the people that are the face of our country.

Just my opinion..

Hey phantom, thanks dude! :)

LogicFlux

Aug 11th 2009, 1:31 pm

=

Some redneck pulls up on the side of us and starts making racists comments to the blacks and acting like he is shooting a gun at them.

WTF. Did he look like this?

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2291/grantorinotrailer.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/grantorinotrailer.jpg/)

TheRantAndRave

Aug 11th 2009, 3:45 pm

ahahahaha!

He actually had a mullet type deal going on, just more balding on top :D and black hair and a black mustache

Someone actually gave me a bad reputation point for speaking my mind. Haha, good job you ignorant illiterate fuck. Show yourself b.

"I don't hate America but I do dislike fools like you. :)"

avatar33

Aug 12th 2009, 9:12 pm

Funny thing I find that it's always the lowerclass uneducated Canadians and Americans that keep dissing each other and claiming how each of their countries is the best, while they wait for their welfare check to come by. :)

Upscale and educated North Americans have been doing business South and North of the border for generations, in a pure spirit of brotherhood. Look at the close economic/cultural and political relations between Vancouver/Seattle, Windsor/Detroit, Toronto/NY, or all the students from Upstate New York, Maine and Vermont studying in Montreal's famous McGill University.

You know, if the French hated the Italians or Germans, there would have never been a EU... think about this.

webcabbie

Aug 12th 2009, 11:47 pm

Wow 2 infractions for one post.. man you guys are uptight.. no one knows if there is an appeal process here?

I don`t see that my postings specifically violate the Terms of Service.

TheRantAndRave

Aug 12th 2009, 11:54 pm

Don't worry, I got a bad rep point for speaking my mind in a friendly matter. People are ignorant dude, don't worry about it. Let em sit around a jacking off on DP all day. I got better things to do. Heh.

avatar33

Aug 13th 2009, 12:13 am

Wow 2 infractions for one post.. man you guys are uptight.. no one knows if there is an appeal process here?

I don`t see that my postings specifically violate the Terms of Service.

I think you're confusing rep with infractions. Infractions are given by mods when you do something against the guidelines, and you can't do anything about it. No appeal whatsoever, it sucks but that's how DP rolls. I still don't understand why they don't open a section on the forum for appeals and let a few moderators read your case and give a final judgement. But anyways... that's a another topic..

Rep points are given by other members, and that's also out of your control. Try to help a few members out and you'll get some green points. If you spend too much time talking about politics and religion you might end up with more red... your call. :)