Cash for weight.

[SEbasic]

Hi guys...

I have been running this site (http://www.seo-dev.co.uk/seraphim-proudleduck/) in the Coop for about a month or two now, and I have to say, I am VERY impressed with the results.

This is an entry page for an SEO competition.

I was previously pointing about 12,000/13,000 weight to the site, but have now increased that number to around the 70,000 mark.

What I need from someone here, is at least another 50,000 pointed to the page.

"What do I get in exchange" I hear you ask...

Well, I am currently on the edge of doing quite well in this competition.

As I write this, I am currently sitting around the #12 mark in the results for the search term "Seraphim Proudleduck (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=seraphim+proudleduck&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&start=10&sa=N)". (Before I implemented the Coop, the site was around the 130 mark).

AllinAnchor (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=allinanchor%3Aseraphim+proudleduck&btnG=Search&meta=): #1
AllinTitle (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=allintitle%3Aseraphim+proudleduck&btnG=Search&meta=): #1
AllinText (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=allintext%3Aseraphim+proudleduck&btnG=Search&meta=): #1
AllinURL (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=allinurl%3Aseraphim+proudleduck&btnG=Search&meta=): #1

So things are looking pretty good. It can be won. :)
However, I need the extra weight to see if it will help with pushing the page up the results a bit more.

For the person who contributes the weight, I will split 50% of the prize money (The prize for the #1 position is £1,000 - $1,800).

The competition finishes on the 1st of janurary, so this would only need to be in place for 1 month. Not bad for £500 (Potentially anyway) if you ask me.

As I said, I really need at least another 50,000 weight to point at the site.

If anyone can offer more, I would greatly appreciate it, or if you have some other way of offering a few thousand links, I'd be keen to hear that too.

Anyway - could you let me know if you are interested.

I need to know as soon as possible if you are keen on helping out, as there isn't all that much time left in the competition.

Anyway - I hope someone is interested.

Cheers

Oliver

[T0PS3O]

#12? I've got you #3 world wide on .co.uk and #7 on .com.

Sorry I can't help you, would love helping you beating the french.

[john_loch]

Allright SEbasic.

Even if it's just to see in the new year with a bang.

PM me :)

Cheers,

JL

[SEbasic]

#12? I've got you #3 world wide on .co.uk and #7 on .com. Huh?!?!

Oh...... I linked to page 2 of the results ;)

Sorry I can't help you, would love helping you beating the french.No worries man :)

[T0PS3O]

:o whoops, sorry. Didn't realize.

Side note: this should be in trade/sell/buy .

[john_loch]

Just PM me with the anchor text, description and url etc.

Cheers,

JL

[SEbasic]

Side note: this should be in trade/sell/buy .Oops - Shawn, could you move the thread please. Cheers.

John, PM on it's way :)

[digitalpoint]

Another thing you could do is approach a webmaster that isn't part of the coop, and pay them to run coop network ads (which you of course would get the weight).

[john_loch]

Hi SeBasic,

All sorted.
Your ads should should reach full exposure by weeks end.

Lets hope your Seraphim Proudleduck (http://www.seo-dev.co.uk/seraphim-proudleduck/) site wins.

It'll make quite a statement for the network if it does. :)

Cheers,

JL

[SEbasic]

That's fantastic - Cheers John :)

[chachi]

Be sure to post a picture of the trophy when you win. I am assuming you are monitoring the allinanchor and serp position daily...I would be interested to see how things are affected with the new weight.

[john_loch]

There may be the additional external link in the mix as well, independant of Shawns network, but yeah - I plan to enjoy watching the site win ! ;)

Cheers,

JL

[rwhetsto]

It will be interesting to see if the extra weight will effect the SERP's. If you are already number one for allinanchor, what will more links do? Do links play a bigger role than just the allinanchor and inanchor parts of the "score"? I don't know, but this will show us a little bit more... I think!

[SEbasic]

I am #1 for every allin search.

I'm currently at #12 in the actual results.
It's very annoying because these guys (www.presidentielle-2007.net/seraphim-proudleduck/) jumped from 1 place below me, to the #2 position.

I'm hoping that the inclusion of another few thousand links will have some impact in terms of bringing the "actual search" results up a little bit.

The www.presidentielle-2007.net/seraphim-proudleduck/ site actually sits below me in the the allinanchor etc searches, so with any luck I should make a jump to the first page at some point soon.

I will keep you all informed of the progress.

Just for the record though - I think that I have probabally spent a total of 2, maybe 3 hours doing work on this site.
All of the results that you can see so far, are as a result of the Coop.

I have done pretty much no work to the site (on-page).

It really does go to show the power of the Coop network.
I wonder how long some of the other entrants to the competition have spent trying to get to the #1 slot. I bet it's a whole lot longer than 2 or 3 hours (With the exception of outer-court). ;)

[T0PS3O]

Have you tried updating the OBL's to the new top few?

Perhaps snatching up a high PR link could make the difference :s ...

And get some links from the other entry sites if possible.

Just some thoughts to try and help you.

[SEbasic]

Have you tried updating the OBL's to the new top few?I published the google results page on the index of the site (With live links et all), so that should be OK for my authority links (Lazy, but it should do).

Perhaps snatching up a high PR link could make the difference :s ...I've thought that too.
Most of the sites I run are linking to the site now, most with a PR4-PR5.
I don't really have a lot of high PR to play around with until the next update ;)
And get some links from the other entry sites if possible. I thought about doing that too. I'll give it a go - I can't hurt can it.

Thanks for all the suggestions T0PS :)

[T0PS3O]

You're welcome. Consultation bill will follow after winning ;)

[Weirfire]

Would it be of any use putting your link in my signature?

[T0PS3O]

It won't hurt.

[Weirfire]

Signature link added. 1200 links free of charge lol

[SEbasic]

Thanks Guys...

Here's hoping that we will see it climb a bit.

[darksat]

The number 1 site has almost no on page optimisation?
interesting.

[SEbasic]

But a LOT of links. (Not as many as me though) ;)

[T0PS3O]

Have you tried using PROG to see the PR of the pages providing their/your incoming links? Might indeed reveal they have higher total incoming PR.

[SEbasic]

That's a thought...

Where is that located now? It got taken offline for a while didn't it. I haven't used it since.

[T0PS3O]

http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog/

It has been moved around indeed.

Edit: Quick look with link:http://www.seo-dev.co.uk/seraphim-proudleduck/ shows you have 2 PR4's, 2 PR3's, 1 PR2, 4 PR1's and the rest all PR0's. Current #1 at blogspot has 14 PR4's to start with.

Disclaimer for the PR obesessed: I don't believe having high PR will help this page rank higher. But when you are looking at a stalemate position like this, we are just looking at whether it might be the turning point for the current #1.

[SEbasic]

Here are a few of the competitors results - Links listed in order of PR...

blog.outer-court.com (http://www.seochat.com/?tool=7&option=com_seotools&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=link%3Ablog.outer-court.com&result_mode=pagerank&num=10&btnG=+++Search+++) - 2,120 links
www.presidentielle-2007.net/seraphim-proudleduck/ (http://www.seochat.com/?tool=7&option=com_seotools&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=link%3Awww.presidentielle-2007.net%2Fseraphim-proudleduck%2F&result_mode=pagerank&num=10&btnG=+++Search+++) - 650 links
seraphim-proudleduck.promo-web.org/ (http://www.seochat.com/?tool=7&option=com_seotools&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=link%3Aseraphim-proudleduck.promo-web.org%2F&result_mode=pagerank&num=10&btnG=+++Search+++) - 1,150 links
Me (http://www.seochat.com/?tool=7&option=com_seotools&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=link%3Awww.seo-dev.co.uk%2Fseraphim-proudleduck%2F&result_mode=pagerank&num=10&btnG=+++Search+++) - 3,400 links

It's pretty clear from looking at those results, that the PR or the reported sites linking to me is pretty low. But it's not exactly high for anyone else.

It's odd, because I know that there are a number of PR4/5's pointing to the site.

Of course, G doesn't show all of the Backlinks, but it still looks to me as though the other sites in question have a higher number of high PR backlinks.

It would be nice if there was a Prog type tool that performed link: queries using the Y! index.

For the same sites, here are the number of backlinks shown by Y!

Me (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.seo-dev.co.uk%2Fseraphim-proudleduck%2F&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt) - 1,440 :(
seraphim-proudleduck.promo-web.org/ (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fseraphim-proudleduck.promo-web.org%2F&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt) - 11,200!!!!!
www.presidentielle-2007.net/seraphim-proudleduck/ (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.presidentielle-2007.net%2Fseraphim-proudleduck%2F&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt) - 7,640...
blog.outer-court.com (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fblog.outer-court.com&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt) - 21,000

So either all of my links haven't been indexed yet, or Y! doesn't recognise Coop links as well as G might.

It's a bit of a tricky one.

It looks like a hell of a lot more links are needed if this is going to be one.

It's impossible to use the G data to determin the number of backlinks. But saying that, It looks better for me that the Y! data ;)

Any thoughts people?

[T0PS3O]

One more thought: If Anthonycea is right, putting on AdSense (god knows what ads will show?!) on that page could give it a boost.

Other 'scams': Nohaber set up a test once (don't know the outcome) of channelling traffic to an old page to see if it affects SERPs (perhaps buy one of those $10 for 10000 visitors scams). According to the whitepapers, traffic is one of the many variables in the ranking algo. Tying in with that you could ask people to click the positive vote on the Googlebar on your page. Sounds crazy but we want to win!

[SEbasic]

Adsense is already there.

Buying traffic.....
I'm really not convinced that it could have any impact on the results at all...
The traffic bought would have to have the google Toolbar installed for G to be able to see the traffic anyway.

The voting thing.
Does anyone have any actual experience with this.
I haven't touched it as yet. What does it do?

I really don't want people to go to the site and start clicking the :) a million times to see if it improves the rankings (Because if anything, that IMO would damage the rankings).

[darksat]

Well like most people who have entered your percentage of on page optimisation is a bit overboard, perhaps the guy who is in no 1 is there because he hasnt gone overboard.

It cant hurt to vary the on page somewhat, you can always revert if it dosnt work.

[Weirfire]

Hey Darksat,

Give the fella a hand and stick his link in your signature. It's only for 1 month :)

[SEbasic]

Darkstat,
What kind of changes would you make?

Get rid of all the on-page mentions of the seraphim proudleduck term?

I'm not a strong believer of the over optimisation penalty, but It could be worth a try I guess.

[digitalpoint]

You also may want to point some link at it without the exact same anchor text.

[T0PS3O]

Yes, perhaps with variations like S P Information or S P Directory. Or perhaps with the by Google suggested misspelling alternative Puddleduck or whatever they come up with. At least they are related in their dictionary.

[Weirfire]

Ok my signature says puddleduck now. Let me know if you want this changed SE?

[darksat]

Darkstat,
What kind of changes would you make?

Get rid of all the on-page mentions of the seraphim proudleduck term?

I'm not a strong believer of the over optimisation penalty, but It could be worth a try I guess.


I would just drop the amount of on page about 50% to see what effect it has, I will add your link to my sig on a couple of other forums as i think this forum has enough linking to you.
i will put it in as "Seraphim Proudleduck's" just to see what happens, ok

[T0PS3O]

You're #1 for Proudleduck on it's own. Nowhere in nowhereland for Seraphim. Your French competitors ranks 19th for Seraphim. Perhaps ranking higher on that one (1st word out of 2 word KW) would help ?!

[asahmed having found this] A 'common' :o misspelling - Seraphim Poodlefuck LMOA http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=poodlefuck (read the snippet :D )[/asahmed having found this]

[SEbasic]

Ok my signature says puddleduck now. Let me know if you want this changed SE?I think I'd rather that was changed if you don't mind.

I'd rather not play with the big G that much. :)
You also may want to point some link at it without the exact same anchor text.I was doing that with the singular words. I may chuck a little bit of weight at them again to see if it helps, or were you thinking something else?
You're #1 for Proudleduck on it's ownHehe. I hadn't looked at that.I would just drop the amount of on page about 50% to see what effect it hasWhat would you change?
I could change the title tag, remove the frequency that the term is mentioned on the page... What else.

Another thing that I was thinking is that it may be worth pointing some weight to one of the internal pages. Maybe linking to something like http://www.seo-dev.co.uk/seraphim-proudleduck/2004/11/all-about-seraphim-proudleduck.html

It may have some kind of influence.

Any thoughts/opinions?

[Solicitors Mortgages]

i got this as number one for seraph blah blah...h***://blog.outer-court.com/
and couldnt even find it on the page !
however google is not serving up the same 2 pages...check googles cache its a different page.
a) how is this achieved ?
b) is it 'illegal' ? (black hat)
c) if you copy the entire page,,,you may get it reduced for duplicate content :)

although i did pull this off the cache page source
""These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: <B>seraphim
</B></font>""

and
""These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: <B>seraphim proudleduck </B></font>""

[SEbasic]

Huh. I'm not going to rip of what he did.

As far as I am concerned, it's just that a whole bunch of links went up...
If I had that good a readership, I'd like to hope that I could do the same too. :)

He is doing well though considering the lack of on-page optimisation.

I guess that off page counts for even less than I had previously thought.

As a sidenote...
Has anyone else noticed the flux in the results?

It looks a little bit like there are two different sets of results.

seo-dev keeps jumping between the #13 and #17 spots.
It isn't moving into any other positions.

It seems a little weird to me for it to be stuck at either #13 or #17 and not see it anywhere above, below or inbetween that.

[Solicitors Mortgages]

seeing as i dont know the original thread..or the rules..is it get first in google the legitimate way, that google wont mind...or the underhanded way?

[SEbasic]

You can do anything you like so long as you get to #1 :)

For more info, look here (http://www.salmonbones.co.uk)...

[Solicitors Mortgages]

ROTF..
http://www.salmonbones.co.uk/example.html
now THATS webdesign !

[SEbasic]

Just for everyone's information, the site can now be seen on the first page (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=seraphim+proudleduck&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)!

Thanks for everyone's help so far. :)

[Weirfire]

Number 9 eh? :)

Keep it up Basic. :cool:

I've changed my sig back to proudle.

[SEbasic]

I see it #8...

Cheers for changing the link :)

[Weirfire]

Oh yeah it is number 8. I was counting backwards from the bottom and counted the 9th and 10th as 1 :o

How long to go till the end?

[SEbasic]

The competition finishes on the 1st of Jan

So not all that long really... :rolleyes:

[darksat]

Good luck, in response to your earlier question, no I would leave the title alone, but on page text could get dropped down a little bit.

I think you are doing fairly well though, I will set up a few new backlinks for you.

[SEbasic]

Who did this - http://spaces.msn.com/members/proudleduck-seraphim/

Much appreciated...

Cheers guys. :D

[Cyclops]

Well I'm afraid I am getting lost again :( , just as I thought I was beginning to grasp this SEO stuff :rolleyes: . According to the Google toolbar SEbasic's pagerank is 0 but back on page 11 and beyond there are pages ranked 5...6...and even a 7 :confused: .

Cyclops.

[SEbasic]

THe PR displayed on the toolbar is out of date.

Also, I would imagine that I have more links with the right anchor text than those guys do.

[payoutwindow]

Well I'm afraid I am getting lost again :( , just as I thought I was beginning to grasp this SEO stuff :rolleyes: . According to the Google toolbar SEbasic's pagerank is 0 but back on page 11 and beyond there are pages ranked 5...6...and even a 7 :confused: .

Cyclops.

Simply Put

1. PR is not everything, its only one of the factors that goes into SERP.

and most importantly

2. Forget the toolbar ... it has been updated in months ... SE's page could be a PR5, 6 or 7.

3. Stick around and you will learn more. :D

[Weirfire]

Just 9th today SE :(

I see there's a new entry at #2!

You've got me hooked on this competition now lol

[SEbasic]

Yeah, It has slipped a bit.

Using McDar's tool I come up #7 though. :)

[Weirfire]

With the competition do the results for everyones sites have to come from one datacentre? I would imagine this would be the only fair way to judge it.

[SEbasic]

Yeah, the final check will be done on Google.co.uk

[Solicitors Mortgages]

SEBasic...i now have you as #No9 on google.com
you have a pm on the way... :)
G*M :)

[Infiniterb]

Gave you a link on my blog (for what it's worth).

[SEbasic]

Thank's very much.

Every little help's :)

[exam]

Yeah, the final check will be done on Google.co.ukCorrect me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't mean the result will come from the same data center.

BTW, I see you at #7 on google.co.uk :)

[digitalpoint]

No, that doesn't mean it's the same data center.

[Weirfire]

Yep, it's up to 7th for me today as well. Keep up the good work SE :)

[SEbasic]

Keep up the good work SE I'm not doing any work. :D

FYI, look at the spelling of your footer link ;)

Cheers

[Weirfire]

rofl sorry mate.

I'll get it changed right away. :)

[john_loch]

Amazing what a little freshness can do :)

No 3 SeBasic.

Very Nice ;)

[SEbasic]

Freshness does seem to make a massive difference.

I'm seeing it at #5

[john_loch]

Freshness does seem to make a massive difference.

I'm seeing it at #5

I'm definitely seeing it at #3 - however I'm in Australia, and prolly gtagged

I did use co.uk, but I should prolly be using a UK proxy.

Cheers,

JL

[payoutwindow]

its definately @ #3

[Weirfire]

It's at no 5 for me. I'm using .co.uk and I'm in the UK

[SEbasic]

Yeah, me too still...

It's good news that it is being seen at #3 elsewhere though.

I'd like to see how long it takes before it (If it) moves up.

[SEbasic]

It's at #3 now for me. :) :D

[Weirfire]

Number 3 for me as well now.

Are the 2 sites ahead of you in the competition?

[SEbasic]

Yeah they are.

I'll have to wait and see whether it climbs again any.

[exam]

in the google suggest tool, google suggest (http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en) & this thread (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=6058) when typing in "sera", seraphim is the 2nd suggestion and seraphim proudleduck is the 10th! lots of SEOers searching those terms.

Still seeing you at #3 on .uk and .com ... I still don't think it is too late to add a supporting page (so you could have a double/indented entry), maybe this is something that google sees as making your main page more relevant for the searcher, if you have more supporting info, more info at the site instead of just a single page. I'd go for it if you havn't already done it.

[SEbasic]

I've been thinking about that.

I wouldn't want to point weight at any page other than that one for the time being...

I don't want to divert weight away from that page to another, because I'm just not sure that it will work.

If I was 100% certian that it would work, then I'd do it for sure, I just don't want to drop out of that top 3.

I will be adding a lot more content to it at some point soon though.

[john_loch]

I agree that throwing weight at a secondary page this late in the game would be risky. A few additional pages though, just linked from the main page, might be worth considering.

I posted this (http://spaces.msn.com/members/proudleduck-seraphim/) to bleed the goo, but who knows, it may have its merits ;)

[SEbasic]

Ahhhhhh..... That was You!

I didn't know who it was that had done that. Cheers. :)

[john_loch]

Yeah, I've been having fun with it :)

[SEbasic]

So what do you think then...
Add a few pages, translations, religious texts, that kind of thing?

Might be worth a go I suppose.

[john_loch]

Yeah, that's prolly a good idea.

I'd leave the main page as is, but set up at least 5 other pages, all seperate language translations, then link to each from the main page.

The logical one is French (ie seraphim proud le duck), not forgetting to use language metas. The pages themselves should have a religious focus (proudleduck is already your main strength) so I'd be working on seraphim (hence the religious focus).

Don't forget to use seraphim in a number of contexts too, not just seraphim proudleduck, and link back to your main page with key associatives like 'authoritative', 'specifications', 'definition', 'reference', 'model', 'synopsis', 'news', 'research', 'education' and the like.

Also include a .pdf for download, using atxt like 'seraphim-proudleduck-2005' or perhaps 'seraphim-proudleduck-specifications'.

Of course, they're just suggestions, and they shouldn't hurt so long as you keep the main page reasonable; ie rotate your content, as you would with a blog, but keep it rich in text - perhaps the odd embedded internal link etc.

Again though, they're just my ideas. If you feel they're too risky, that's understandable (after all, third place is just two from first) :)

[SEbasic]

Nope, I think they're good suggestions.

They may take a couple of days to impliment though - Changing the language headers will be a bit of a pain, (Unless I actually start a new blogger blog in the same directory - which could get risky)...

Hmmmm - I wish I'd used WordPress for the site. Damn...

OK - I'll get on it. :)

[john_loch]

You know, the other pages could be static.

That way there's no need to tweak code etc (unless you can assign xml/meta tags on a page by page basis).

Oh yeah, before I forget - you might consider PICS labeling your pages.
Let G know the content is OK for kids.

Now I could metion Dublin Core Metas too, but that might be going a little too far. I think the 'research' and 'education' references will suffice ;)

Cheers,

JL.

[SEbasic]

RE: PICS - I'm not too sure that would make a difference. The safe search will be turned off for the final result.

I've even thought about chucking some links up on some "Adult" domains to see if that would have any effect.

I agree that a lot of education and research references would be good though.

Mind you , Adult and Education - Bit of a contradiction...

Maybe I'll just stick with lots and lots more pages and see what kind of a result that will have.

[john_loch]

Sounds good to me :)

[Infiniterb]

I added site wide links yesterday (you were 3rd when I Did it), you are now 2nd for the term.

You might still be able to win this. Soooo close.

[SEbasic]

Hey - Thanks very much for the links...

Only one more spot to move up in :)

[Infiniterb]

NUMBER 1!

On google.com that is (IMO the only one that matters) :)

But for the competition, co.uk still has you at number 2.

[T0PS3O]

#3 on co.uk here when searching world-wide. Same on .com.

[Infiniterb]

Yeah, it's 3 on both now. Looks like some flux was going on throughout the day.

[classifieds]

May be too late to help but just gave you a ROS on classifiedads - low PR (new site) but 22+K pages and good traffic.

Good luck!!

[SEbasic]

Nice one - Thanks very much.

A few people commented on the site that they had actually seen the site at #1 on .com

Hopefully it will climb a little bit again.

Whatever happens though, I'm pretty chuffed that it got this far.

[classifieds]

SEBasic,

Can you give us an update?

-jay

[SEbasic]

Not a lot else to say really.

The page is at #3 and it doesn't seem to be moving (At least it hasn't the last couple of days).

If anyone has seen any movement, could you let me know?

Cheers

[crazyhorse]

Dont think its there anymore??

[Dominic]

What's the update?

[Infiniterb]

I'm not even seeing it in Google.com

[SEbasic]

Yeah, It's Dropped drastically...

I have no idea where it is now...

Bummer

[classifieds]

Hopefully it's not because of the power of the network.

Any opinions on why it fell so far so fast?

-jay

[classifieds]

SEBasic,

Who won the contest? Has there been an analysis of the results?

-jay

[SEbasic]

OuterCourt Won, But was stiffed for the prize money.

It's a bit harsh really.

I know there are a few places that have some fairly detailed stats of the results, but I haven't really gone through them yet...

I'll try and dig out some URL's.