Directories not refunding full amounts after review.

[netstorm]

After spending thousands of dollars on directory submissions over time, I've only run into this once. http://www.all4seo.net/ Submission was $12 was charged $5 dollars for the review, and refunded $7 after being denied. My suggestion is that directories do not do this, especially if peoples sites have good content on them which mine does. My site was accepted by over 40 other directories with no problems.

Very disappointed.

[floppydrivez]

$5 for the review?

$7 refunded?

Did I read that wrong?

[britishguy]

$5 for the review?

$7 refunded?

Did I read that wrong?

Exactly what does that mean please ?
:)

[deluxdon]

http://www.all4seo.net/ Charged me $5 dollars for the review, and refunded $7. Very disappointed.

You got $2 more for rejection of your site there :eek:

[swedal]

I know the owner of all4seo and he is a quality person running a quality site. In addition it clearly states on the submission form what will and will not be refunded if your site is not accepted.

http://www.all4seo.net/submit.php

I also notice that you did not post the site you submitted. Was there a reason for that?

[Freewebspace]

It may be like this

$7 for Review

$5 refunded

[pctec]

I believe he was charged $12 total...

1 year subscription price to All4Seo Premium service is USD 12.00.
If not accepted we charge you only for website review and USD 7.00 will be refunded.

[sizzler_chetan]

I believe he was charged $12 total...

Exactly..

OP is trying to say that $5 was charged for only the review of the site..
And out of the $12, only $7 was refunded back!

But it is clearly stated in the page -

Please note that payment fee is for web site review and deep analyze required to prepare and maintain advanced listing and reports presentation.
If not approved you will be charged only USD 5.00 for initial review.

[dargre]

Premier Listing is USD 12.00

If not accepted -
charged USD 5.00 (for review)
refunded USD 7.00

This is very clear
and twice mentioned on pre-submit page.

Always read guidelines carefully.

I'm very restrictive for web sites submitted to this directory.
I supply much more than simple review.
Details, stats, reports of total 3 different pages for each listing.
I edit each description manually, crete contextual resource links.

I won't accept poor websites and additionally netstorm's site was just MFA one - what is completely against guidelines.


3 (or 4) x block of Google ads + 1x Bidvertiser
This is even against Google TOS

Thanks.

[netstorm]

Well what you feel is low quality, has a few hundred hours sunk into it. I apologize for wasting your time, I'll submit to other directories.

[mywebsearches]

I always read the guidelines when I submit my websites.

If you read his guidelines, it is clearly stated what will happen if you site is not accepted.

This is a topic of interest by many directory owners with about 50%/50% on each side. While I disagree with such guidelines, I think he has the right to do whatever he wishes with his directory.

Here is a comment that I wrote a few days back about this topic:

My comment
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5011408&postcount=29

To read the thread:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=533675

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[dargre]

If you read his guidelines, it is clearly stated what will happen if you site is not accepted.
..

Yeah,
I think that even can't be more said for guidelines than on all4seo.net

Lot of rules are on pre-submit page:
http://www.all4seo.net/submit.php
Then you must agree to linking policy:
http://www.all4seo.net/policies.php
Finaly I have tips to be accepted:
http://www.all4seo.net/link_tips.php

Can it be more? :confused:

[SilkySmooth]

Can it be more? :confused:

You could add a pop up with a flashing banner too! :D

netstorm, you should read the guidelines of every single directory you submit to as they all vary slightly.

[pipes]

netstorm, i always give full refunds, i dont agree with owners not giving full refunds but i repect that as their wish to do so.

As a few others have pointed out, always read and maybe read again, any submission guidelines, some are more detailed than others and i know some people dont want to spend too much time going over the guidelines, but you can now see why its a good idea to know what your paying for.

[Red_Virus]

I agree with Dargee, when some time was spent on review of the site & also the OP has not read the submission guidelines while submitting. I really don't see any problems with the partial refund.

[msolution]

Ticking that checkbox means you have read and understood the policies stated!


M.

[mikey1090]

if you charge a review fee then why refund that fee after review just as its rejected? That means you're actually charging a listing fee and just pretending to charge for review. netstorm read the T & C properly next time.

[DownUnder]

Hopefuly a problem we will avoid as there will be no fee involved when you submit, if we acceot the submission we will draft it up and send back a preview, then if you like it you will pay and it will be plugged in live.

[casinobonusguy]

I have minimum bids on my directories and I spend my mornings refunding $1.00 entries through paypal.I dont agree with keeping any money if you dont intend to do business with them but as previously said they do disclose this.I think it is actually hurting your business though as most will not want to risk losing 5 bux per entry and will move on to a sure thing or risk free submission.

[mikey1090]

I have minimum bids on my directories and I spend my mornings refunding $1.00 entries through paypal.I dont agree with keeping any money if you dont intend to do business with them but as previously said they do disclose this.I think it is actually hurting your business though as most will not want to risk losing 5 bux per entry and will move on to a sure thing or risk free submission.

i bidded on your directory this morning, and it said minimum is $1, so thats what i bidded.

Its up to you to keep on top of bugs in the script where the minimum fails to work.

[dargre]

You could add a pop up with a flashing banner too! :D

He, he,
I almost forgot!
There is POP-UP on submit page and once again info about charge and refund. :)

Definetely must do something blinking, flying and talking :D

Should I call Bruce W. or better Arnold S. for hiring his voice?
What do you think? :cool:

[Fastian]

Definetely must do something blinking, flying and talking :D

Should I call Bruce W. or better Arnold S. for hiring his voice?
What do you think? :cool:

A sexy female voice might give you better results. :p

Getting user attention is easy that way ;)

[dargre]

A sexy female voice might give you better results. :p

So you say J.Lo would be better? or maybe for some users she's too old? :D

[swedal]

A flashing picture of J. Lo may cause everyone to miss the submission guidelines.

[Fastian]

A flashing picture of J. Lo may cause everyone to miss the submission guidelines.

That is a possibility.... They might even forget that they came to the page for submission and not to stare at J.L pic :p

[jhnrang]

Glad to see some other doing what I have also been doing with my Web Directory (http://www.dbestdir.com).

I also implemented the policy - with 50% refund if site declined and 50% as review fee:)
Since than I never had a submission on that directory ( it used to pull in quite few before).
But I am not bothered at all- :) and I'll continue implementing the policy on that directory.

The policy is mentioned on the submission page with very big fonts.:)

[pipes]

Glad to see some other doing what I have also been doing with my Web Directory (http://www.dbestdir.com).

I also implemented the policy - with 50% refund if site declined and 50% as review fee:)
Since than I never had a submission on that directory ( it used to pull in quite few before).
But I am not bothered at all- :) and I'll continue implementing the policy on that directory.

The policy is mentioned on the submission page with very big fonts.:)

That makes me worry and wonder though jhnrang, its maybe not a solution if it causes a further problem.

Its your directory, i respect that your calling the shots, but it can become a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[WatchOut]

It does take some time to review a web site, and if you plan on managing a quality web directorie you should normally charge for a review fee, as time costs money.

Meti

[pipes]

It does take some time to review a web site, and if you plan on managing a quality web directorie you should normally charge for a review fee, as time costs money.

Meti

The thing is if a submitter decides to tell their pals that you keep a little bit of their money regardless, it may mean you end up with a lot more free time in the future.

[britishguy]

The thing is if a submitter decides to tell their pals that you keep a little bit of their money regardless, it may mean you end up with a lot more free time in the future.

Thought enforcing comment there pipes worthy of additional study :)

I understand fully where you are coming from

and

Moreover you maybe right :cool:

[mhamdi]

It does take some time to review a web site


It does take time to review a website that you will accept (editing description/title/deeplinks, checking the service, contact info,...). The site you will reject it won't take you more than a couple minutes :)

[pipes]

Thought enforcing comment there pipes worthy of additional study :)

I understand fully where you are coming from

and

Moreover you maybe right :cool:

Hi Pete, i mean i totally appreciate it from the directory owners view, being one myself, but as i know you understand, its worth seeing it from the user/submitters viewpoint.

mhamdi, a valid point there regarding less time for rejection.

[WatchOut]

It does take time to review a website that you will accept (editing description/title/deeplinks, checking the service, contact info,...). The site you will reject it won't take you more than a couple minutes :)

If I understand your post, you are saying that you only look at the basics of a web site? What about the speed of a web site, content, design etc? There are many aspects that you judge as a editor, it's not a click away.

If you are going to reject a web site, you don't reject it right away you go through the listing just like any other. It does take some time, depends on how you valuate your time.

Meti

[dargre]

It does take time to review a website that you will accept (editing description/title/deeplinks, checking the service, contact info,...). The site you will reject it won't take you more than a couple minutes :)
Then you must go to PayPal, make refund, write the reason...
This is more than just reject.

This is also something that should learn some submitters they shouldn't submit each and every spammy site expecting approval only because they paid.
This should learn some not every directory is one big TRASH.

This is something many leading BIG directories do from ages (Yahoo, BTW, etc)
Some of our directories looks much better that mentioned above, giving much more - why shouldn't it play same game?

If you're not thinking of making quick money - have longer perspective - this is right way to go with your directory I think.

But of course this is always someone's decision what to make with your own directory.

Whatever - reading and watching is a skill I definetely require from submitter.

Thanks.