Bush Broke!

[anthonycea]

George Bush with his "war on terror" is bankrupting the country and all of us are going down with this administrations ship.

We have more National Debt than the country has ever had, the Bush administration has created more debt in the 4 years they have held office than the country had run up in it's entire history (founding until 1986).

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002096144_bloomfund21.html

The above story tells about the rise in the value of Gold because investors are losing confidence in the US Dollar.

The dollar is losing value and it is but a matter of time before inflation becomes a great problem for all consumers, with high energy prices driving the cost of every other commodity purchased.

Wages are down across the board and the economy is heading for depression.

The "oil war" is costing us men and money and the world is watching the USA fall and laughing at us at the same time. The policies of the Bush administration are responsible all of the problems that this broken economy has caused and it will get worse before it gets better for all of the worlds citizens.

[Weirfire]

This subject could make for an interesting debate.

What would you have Bush do in the current state of affairs? Do you think the war in Iraq was wrong? Are the US soldiers and British soldiers fighting in Iraq for no reason?

Once (if) Iraq settles down, will the US go after Iran?

[anthonycea]

Who told anyone that we were "winning the war in Iraq"?

This war is a disaster for the US and the UK, we all know the end result, we will withdraw soon and the country will fall into civil war that will never end.

Sure Iran will be a problem, but we would not dare go into Iran because the Russians are providing their Nuclear technology.

If we tried that it will be WW3 and could be the end of any world order.

Our support for our 51st state (Israel) has caused the entire world to turn against the USA and that is one of the reasons Collen Powell resigned and the US administration is going through a great shake up.

[minstrel]

Oh here we go... Google is broken... Microsoft is broken... Bush is broken...

Yes, Iraq is a mess and will probably have to fight through a civil war before it's sorted out. It was a different kind of mess before the US arrived there, though. I think for most Iraqi's it was a worse mess.

As for Colin Powell, you don't think that the fact the guy is 107 and tired had anything to do with it?

Why isn't anyone rallying to condemn what the French are doing in Ivory Coast or wherever the heck they are currently "protecting French interests"? We all saw what a wonderful job they did when they went into Viet Nam... god knows what sort of a mess they'll leave behing in Africa this time.

[anthonycea]

Minstrel, at least the French had the sense to speak out against this invasion and occupation of Iraq. We were already fighting a war in Afghanistan, remember, we were going to get Bin Ladin?

What are we in Iraq, targets?

No one else in the world supports us, Russia, China and most every country will just watch us get killed and waste money until we withdraw.

Germany and Nato want no part of this disaster and the UN does not care for Bush or the US either. The EU really is just going to sit back and watch us fail.

[minstrel]

at least the French had the sense to speak out against this invasion and occupation of Iraq
yes, because it was an opportunity to oppose the US and because they had no immediate "interests" in Iraq, not because of any lofty principles -- as it was for the Canadian prime minister at the time, who didn't want to admit we had no troops or equipment to send anyway and in the face of criticism of his decimation of the Canadian armed forces and disrespect to our veterans tried lamely to make it an issue of principle or conscience instead of politics.

Wasn't it pretty much the same in Viet Nam? Hardly anyone was lining up to help there either.

My point is not to praise or condemn the war in Iraq, although personally I think ousting Saddam was a favor to the Iraqi people. Rather my point is that the stance the international community is hypocritical (with several notable exceptions, by the way - it is NOT true that the rest of the world is against the US): If the world and the UN wishes to condemn the US, why are they not doing the same thing with France?

[anthonycea]

We (the USA and UK) had Saddam pinned down with the no fly zone.

This was simply an opportunity to establish military bases and that is what we have done for a wider future war.

Iran, Syria, Russia, China and a lot of other countries want us out and we will not take those bases down in the near future, so this will go on for the next 20 years or so.

[flawebworks]

And who voted Bush back in office? <fumes>
We could always impeach:O but then we'd get stuck with Cheney.


Weirfire

What would you have Bush do in the current state of affairs? Do you think the war in Iraq was wrong? Are the US soldiers and British soldiers fighting in Iraq for no reason?

We never should have gone to Iraq. I'm convinced that Bush is fighting Daddys war. Getting Bin Laden is no 1; not Hussein; with all his weopons of mass destruction.....so called......

Once (if) Iraq settles down, will the US go after Iran?
This administration won't wait for Iraq to settle down. We didn't wait for Afganistan.

[msaad]

This administration won't wait for Iraq to settle down. We didn't wait for Afganistan.

Is Egypt on your list, guys? Do you plan to come here too to liberate us from... er... not-sure-what? When do you plan to come?

Because, when you do, we will be friends no more!

I am sure even Hitler didn't plan to invade this number of countries! :confused:

[anthonycea]

We are already there, we give your country and Israel Billions of dollars every year.

All this war crap is nothing but smoke and mirrors for the real goal, giving the leaders an opportunity to steal Billions and Trillions of dollars for their own greedy gain.

When Arafat died they said they were trying to locate Billions he stashed in offshore bank accounts. Saddam had over 10 Billion dollars in secret accounts that are still financing the war effort.

The biggest revelation was that the Israeli Military was helping Arafat manage and transfer the money offshore.

So how does your sworn enemy take care of your financial assets for you?

It is all a smoke screen and most of the people of the world do not understand that governments create enemies to keep the war money machine well greased to make even more money for the military/oil/industrial complex.

A great man once said that the love of money is the root of all evil or was that God?

[minstrel]

Is Egypt on your list, guys? Do you plan to come here too to liberate us
Probably not... is Egypt (a) torturing or oppressing its citizens? (b) engaging in genocide? (c) creating or stockpiling nuclear arms or biological weapons? (d) otherwise engaging in basic human rights violations? If no, go back to whatever you were doing...

[schlottke]

Anthony- The fact you're missing about the french was that they didn't have the guts to jump in and do what was needed to be done when we found it necessary to move into Iraq, but they were all about "helping to rebuild" after... fact is they didn't want to get their hands dirty, but wanted to use the country for its resources in the rebuilding phase.

[anthonycea]

What rebuilding phase? The entire country is destroyed and there is no rebuilding possible with an ongoing war. Bush said the war was over last May, did you forget that?

He is a great leader of destruction and will be remembered as the President that ruined the economy of the nation, lost all respect for America worldwide and ran the deficit into the Trillions costing generations of Americans so he and his friends can steal taxpayer money in the name of spreading freedom worldwide.

Do you think anyone believes that crap other than the so-called Christian right and the rednecks that think Bush will help them keep their guns? Let me not forget the housewives that voted because they believe Bush will keep them safe, too bad their kids will come back with no arms and legs if they do come back alive.

[minstrel]

Exactly, schlottke -- that was the thing that angered and embarrased me about the position taken by the prime minister of Canada, Jean Chretien: "We absolutely condemn this illegal invasion conducted without the approval of *cough* *mumble* the United Nations. Now, when you're all done, can we get some of those rebuilding contracts for Canadian businesses? Merci. That would be lovely, George. We're still friends, right? Oh and ignore those Canadian politicians who keep calling you a war-mongering moron in our parliament -- we do not endorse their views even though I personally agree with them. No hard feelings, right George?"

Total hypocrisy! :mad:

[joeychgo]

This subject could make for an interesting debate.

What would you have Bush do in the current state of affairs? Do you think the war in Iraq was wrong? Are the US soldiers and British soldiers fighting in Iraq for no reason?

Once (if) Iraq settles down, will the US go after Iran?


I think the real reasons for Iraq have little to do with anything we have been told. No WMD has been found, not even traces. No real connection with Bin Laden has been shown - its all BS.

I have the upmost respect for our troops and support them fully. GW attacked Iraq for reasons he never told us about. You can speculate as to what they are.

And as far as Iran - GW is warming up for that - But I dont think he can pull it off. I dont think the american public nor the troops will fall for it twice - I dont think england will go along, and I dont think russia will stand on the sidelines if we try. They have too close a relationship with Iran and too much money tied up there.

Besides - GW needs to learn to finsih things before he starts - he hasnt found Bin Laden yet and Iraq is years away from stability. But I bet he is thinking about it - so he can try to get Cheney in office in 4 years.

Mostly - I think he'll spend the next 4 years robbing and pillaging. Watch for trade policies and tax incentives that benefit his buddies and family - among other things -

Just my .02

[anthonycea]

Cheney could not get elected for dog catcher, he would make a great leader of Germany in Hitler's day though :rolleyes:

The entire problem with America is that we are investing most of our money in China who is our enemy who we claim is our friend.

What a bunch of dummies Americans are to buy everything we get from offshore and close all of our manufacturing plants in the USA.

Who is leading this trend?

American CEO's are China's best friends.

[darksat]

The reason People worldwide are so pissed off with the war in Iraq is because it was launched under a false pretext.
Osama is sitting in the mountiains of pakistan laughing his ass off while dubya is bombing the shit out of Iraq, oil prices are through the roof and his Texas buddies are making billions, the puppet goverment in iraq is pissing the iraqi people off, the UN wont come in while there is a shitload of triggerhappy yank troops with thier own agenda and sets of orders, plus the fact that its to hostile an enviroment with the US there, saudi arabia and the coalition allies are guilty of torture just like sadam but that gets ignored and dubya just runs around pretending to be doing something noble when in fact he is just milking all the death and suffering for a quick buck, and most of the american people voted for him while the world sits back going god what a clusterfuck.

the war is about oil.
Duh

politicians, they should all be shot.

[anthonycea]

Most of the American people did not vote for him, the second election was stolen just like the first one through software manipulation.

In addition to that, both states that decided the last two elections are controlled by Republicans, the secretary of state in both Florida and in Ohio are both Republicans and the vote was tainted and negotiated once again.

The electoral college is corrupt and causes many folks not to bother to vote, the poor and the young are not able to vote because of long travel times and distances (they can not get rides to vote or do not have money to spend to get to polling places), some college students had to wait over 12 hours just to get an opportunity to vote.

Many votes were not counted at all or were lost by Diebold Electronic voting machines, the shareholders of all the voting software companies are controlled by Bush friends and many articles about it are available online.

[darksat]

This may be true but unfortunately he has a large group of knee jerk reactionaries supporting him and enough of the population supports him to keep him in power.

He will NOT get away with this forever though. he WILL be punished.

[anthonycea]

The entire EU (70% plus of the citizens are against him) will not help him because their governments fear the population.

The UK is being run by a man that does whatever BP wants him to do, you need to get rid of him first

[darksat]

Unfortunately thats up to the english, and I dont have to much confidence in thier abilities.

[anthonycea]

If anyone wants the truth about how Bush and his Daddy have sacked this economy look at the articles in the following search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Greenspan+Germany

You will see that the Federal Reserve Chairman (head banker in the USA) is warning that the weakening dollar and the US deficit run up by Bush's oil war is going to take the country into another great depression if something (impeaching Bush) is not done.

[darksat]

The sad thing is facts have very little effect on the world today.

we all know that dubya is corrupt but what to do is the question.

[anthonycea]

Fact is when everyone starts going broke and their business and ability to earn a wage goes down the tubes, then they will wake up.

That is what is happening.....

[darksat]

Didnt happen last time, wont happen before the next 4 years are up.

we can only hope bush gets the Ebola Virus for christmas.

[minstrel]

Most of the American people did not vote for him, the second election was stolen just like the first one through software manipulation.
Actually, unlike most US elections since perhaps Nixon, the majority of American people who voted did vote for Bush this time around. If those voters did not truly represent the US population, then you have a problem of a different kind.

The entire EU (70% plus of the citizens are against him)
Any national leader who allowed his decisions to be based on the opinions or interests of the EU (or any other group with interests different from those of the country the leader was representing) would be a sorry leader indeed.

[darksat]

(1)Anthony dosnt want to admit that most yanks voted for dubya because he is ashamed of most of his fellow countrymens stupidity.

(2)since when are the interests of the EU not the same as the countries it contains?
I will agree not always but most of the time.
The EU is there to benifit the countries it represents.
and Dubya's problems are the whole worlds problems
PS its probably a lot more than 70%
on WorldVote2004 90%+ of the worlds population voted against him.

[minstrel]

since when are the interests of the EU not the same as the countries it contains? I will agree not always but most of the time. The EU is there to benifit the countries it represents.
That wasn't the topic under discussion but since you raise it: What if I'm Italy and the interests of France and Germany are diametrically opposite to mine? At that point, if the EU governing body goes along with France and Germany, they are not representing my interests, are they? Anymore than many decisions of the Canadian federal government, dominated by Ontario and Quebec interests, often do not represent the interests of the western provinces or the maritime provinces.

and Dubya's problems are the whole worlds problems
That may also be true of France -- again, I'd ask why is there no outcry against French foreign policy?

PS its probably a lot more than 70% on WorldVote2004 90%+ of the worlds population voted against him.
My point is that any leader who governs by polls is a bad leader; one who governs by polls outside his own country is an even worse leader.

[T0PS3O]

Probably not... is Egypt (a) torturing or oppressing its citizens? (b) engaging in genocide? (c) creating or stockpiling nuclear arms or biological weapons? (d) otherwise engaging in basic human rights violations? If no, go back to whatever you were doing...

The question is: Does Egypt have any oil related resources? If yes, they'ff find any odd 'crime' (or create one) to go there. And any other country.

[darksat]

That wasn't the topic under discussion but since you raise it: What if I'm Italy and the interests of France and Germany are diametrically opposite to mine? At that point, if the EU governing body goes along with France and Germany, they are not representing my interests, are they? Anymore than many decisions of the Canadian federal government, dominated by Ontario and Quebec interests, often do not represent the interests of the western provinces or the maritime provinces.
In that regard I agree, but generally the EU looks after its own


That may also be true of France -- again, I'd ask why is there no outcry against French foreign policy?
Like what?


My point is that any leader who governs by polls is a bad leader; one who governs by polls outside his own country is an even worse leader.
I can see situations where that is true but do you think Blairs support of Bush is in the best interests of England or the world in general.
Perhaps short term in regards england and import/export relationships but not in the long term and not for the planet.

a leader who ignores the wishes of the people who elected him is just as bad.

[Such Great Heights]

Actually, unlike most US elections since perhaps Nixon, the majority of American people who voted did vote for Bush this time around. If those voters did not truly represent the US population, then you have a problem of a different kind.
Well yes those "voters" didn't truley represent the US population although they were mostly fraudulant votes by machines and the white middle to upper class citizens. Minorities were discounted again.

here: http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0
Is a good article about the improper vote counting during the election, and how we can't do anything about it, because, like Anthony said, the two states in question are run by republicans looking to get a raise in status just like what happened to Katherine Harris (gained a seat in congress) last election.

It's all gone wrong and the 49% (according to the bad count) of the US has to sit back an watch. :o

[debunked]

lol

this just gets funnier all the time.

Even this Greg Palast guy- he is quite the comedian. ROFL

I love the fact that the voting machines both electronic and puchcard are racist. Although you need to come up with the theory on how they recognize the color of a voter and to discard the votes. LOL

"wolf, wolf, wolf, wolf, ...." eventually people see what is happening when someone keeps crying wolf.

The BBC is funded by the Gov't in Brittain and is suppose to be unbiased and they have a watchdog - see www.bbcwatch.com to see where they cross the lines.

[anthonycea]

Why did Colin Powell resign Debunked?

Why is the CIA going through a major shakeup Debunked?

If someone put the truth in front of you they would be wasting time Debunked since you only believe what Billy Graham tells you.

[debunked]

Why did Colin Powell resign Debunked?

Why is the CIA going through a major shakeup Debunked?

If someone put the truth in front of you they would be wasting time Debunked since you only believe what Billy Graham tells you.
Anthony you are so funny.

First, we all new Powell did not plan on being there for a second term he said that a couple of years ago.

The CIA needs to make changes and anyone who may be corrupt needs to be removed, besides that I am not sure who all is leaving the CIA.

Billy Graham is not a political person as far as I know, I have never heard him get into politics, but then again I am sure you have some conspiracy for him too.

Kerry lost. Gore lost. Get over it and do something productive.

Hopefully we can take America back fully some day and keep the constitution from being shreaded anymore than it has already from judges who make laws instead of interpreting them.

[anthonycea]

You say I am funny?

I have not laughed so hard in a long time until I read your last post Debunked.

This goes to show what you really know Debunked, see some of the pages listed in the following search.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=nixon+billy+graham

Knowing that folks like you support Bush gives me great comfort :confused: ;) :)

[darksat]

Anthony, like the new Avitar, reminds me of an X girlfriend. :)

and who here is a Dubya supporter.
Set me on them. :mad:

[anthonycea]

We are the king's of X's and also of wandering eyes man ;) :p :)

[darksat]

Ok, I will give you the benifit of the doubt, you have been chatting to me long enough to pick up the D factor. :)

[giz]

I support Bush in its cultivation and I get a blur when I've smoked some.... chill out man....peace not war.

[anthonycea]

By the looks of that avatar you have been smoking for quite some time. :)

Man that is the best avatar ever, did you design it? :cool:

Welcome to the forum dude, you like Cheech and Chong movies? :D

[giz]

Yanks for the welcome Anthony.... I do like cheech and chong, but I am not a pothead..well..maybe at weekends..a bit. My biz partner designed the avatar some years ago and I have used it since. I have seen it used elsewhere as well.... not copyrighted you see....stoned at the time.

[darksat]

Cheech & Chong, LOL :)

[anthonycea]

Used to smoke it when I was young back in the 70's, but No, No, No, I can't smoke it no more, no thank please it only makes me sneeze and then it makes it hard to find the door. ;)

Boy that Ringo Starr was a real song writer, hey folks :confused: :p