To accept or not to accept?

[workshop]

Would you accept this site http://www.counterstop.com?

[dhruv37]

yeah...whts the problem with site.

[funkymario]

wow you got a submission ? :D

[workshop]

Lungisa drew this one to my attention. He is uneasy with the key word rich content and he is not sure whether its legitimate or not.
wow you got a submission ? :DNo such luck. He is scouring the net for quality sites and he is battling. I just thought it was an interesting one.

[SasaVtec]

with those keywords scrolling in the bottom no wouldn't accept

[The Pheonix]

It offers the product it sells, its clean, its honest and even though it does us that scrolling thing I don't think that would affect its indexing, so probably.

[mikey1090]

seems to be a local business search. Perhaps do some search and see if there are any businesses/contacts there.

Its no MFA, just need to check how useful it is to a user...

[workshop]

The site is MFS, Made For Search engines, Made for serp's, made for spiders and its crammed full of keywords. Despite which it looks sort of OK. But is it? This is the question Lungisa was asking and that's precisely the sort of question I believe all directory masters should be asking.

Its not an easy one to answer and whilst everyone will have a different point of view, this is the sort of thing we should be debating. Why is there no invitation for service providers to list and do business? I suspect its WIP (work in progress) in one form or another and whilst that's never a good reason to reject a submission, I suspect the worst. They have gone to great length to cover their tracks if that's what they are doing. I would look for something a little less professional.

[indyguidedotinfo]

seems like a helpful site. I put in my state and found local people so i don't see a problem with it.

[malcolm1]

how about this affiliate site?

http://www.amazing-cover-letters.com/

Would you accept it? or reject?

just wondering is all :)

[mikey1090]

how about this affiliate site?

http://www.amazing-cover-letters.com/

Would you accept it? or reject?

just wondering is all :)

Sites like that make me mad. Pure scam/crap sites. They all have some crappy images, fake testomonials, and loads of big red and black text...

[indyguidedotinfo]

Sites like that make me mad. Pure scam/crap sites. They all have some crappy images, fake testomonials, and loads of big red and black text...

lol all ' scam sites look the same ' like seo elite , keyword elite and other make cash fast time sites are the worst. they don't even try to make them look legit

[centime]

I think its a good site, could be improved with more information about how to use the site

There is nothing wrong, in my book, with trying to get good SE rankings, no rankings means , no visitors, mean no business , means pretty soon, no website

Be wary of creating an "ethics" code that might make sense to you but simply imposes unecessary burdens on you an your associates

[malcolm1]

Sites like that make me mad. Pure scam/crap sites. They all have some crappy images, fake testomonials, and loads of big red and black text...

Heres the thing though...

Usually when your checking them at random looking for parked pages, suspended pages,
dead links, banned sites and such from the admin panel you will find a "jewel in the ruff"
... with a nice PR :p

thx
malcolm

[Velocity]

I am not sure if text scrolling at the bottom is readable by search engines, but check out the description. It is full of keywords.

[domainpubber]

The scrollie thing needs to go and the listings could use more detail, but look at all the article content. I'd say the site is acceptable.

BTW - RFLOL reading funkymarios's comment; that deserves a rep.

[The Pheonix]

I am not sure if text scrolling at the bottom is readable by search engines, but check out the description. It is full of keywords.I would think that as its in the body content as marquee text it is readable and from what little research I did it should be fine http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/hidden-links/

[floppydrivez]

I am going to take a simple stab in the dark here. I would be happy to test the theory, but I bet I am right.

They provide you sources to request bids from. They take the manufacturer's bid and mark it up 10% (or whatever). Then you pay them possibly through a link or such. In the end they receive the 10% markup which is very very common in the business world. They simply provide a service to you produced by another manufacturer (middle man concept).

I wouldn't call it an unacceptable practice.

Meta Description
Buy Counters Tops & Vanity Tops: White, Absolute Black, Ubatuba, Red, Green, Brown Colore, Natural Stone (Kitchen Granite Counter Tops & Bathroom Granite Counter Tops Marble Kitchen Counter Tops & Bathroom Marble Counter Tops Onyx Kitchen Counter Tops & Bathroom Onyx Counter Tops Limestone Kitchen Counter Tops& Bathroom Limestone Counter Tops Travertine Kitchen Counter Tops & Bathroom Travertine Counter Tops Sandstone Kitchen Counter Tops & Bathroom Travertine Counter Tops Slate Kitchen Counter Tops & Bathroom Slate Counter Tops) Kitchen Counter Tops, Bathroom Counter Tops and Bathroom Vanity Tops Online Resource USA (Alabama (AL), Alaska (AK), Arizona (AZ), Arkansas (AR), California (CA), Colorado (CO), Connecticut (CT), Delaware (DE), Florida (FL), Georgia (GA) , Hawaii (HI), Idaho (ID), Illinois (IL), Indiana (IN), Iowa (IA), Kansas (KS), Kentucky (KY), Louisiana (LA), Maine (ME), Maryland (MD), Massachusetts (MA), Michigan (MI), Minnesota (MN), Mississippi (MS), Missouri (MO), Montana (MT), Nebraska (NE), Nevada (NV), New Hampshire (NH), New Jersey (NJ), New Mexico (NM), New York (NY), North Carolina (NC), North Dakota (ND), Ohio (OH), Oklahoma (OK), Oregon (OR), Pennsylvania (PA), Rhode Island (RI), South Carolina (SC), South Dakota (SD), Tennessee (TN), Texas (TX), Utah (UT), Vermont (VT), Virginia (VA), Washington (WA), West Virginia (WV), Wisconsin (WI), Wyoming (WY) ).It is clearly over stuffed, but it is still relevant. (that is more there problem than yours)

Meta Keywords
Buy, Online, Cheap, Discounted, White, Black, Red, Granite, Marble, Sandstone, Limestone, Travertine, Onyx, Slate, Kitchen, Bathroom, Vanity, Counter, Tops, Countertops, Design, Alabama (AL), Alaska (AK), Arizona (AZ), Arkansas (AR), California (CA), Colorado (CO), Connecticut (CT), Delaware (DE), Florida (FL), Georgia (GA) , Hawaii (HI), Idaho (ID), Illinois (IL), Indiana (IN), Iowa (IA), Kansas (KS), Kentucky (KY), Louisiana (LA), Maine (ME), Maryland (MD), Massachusetts (MA), Michigan (MI), Minnesota (MN), Mississippi (MS), Missouri (MO), Montana (MT), Nebraska (NE), Nevada (NV), New Hampshire (NH), New Jersey (NJ), New Mexico (NM), New York (NY), North Carolina (NC), North Dakota (ND), Ohio (OH), Oklahoma (OK), Oregon (OR), Pennsylvania (PA), Rhode Island (RI), South Carolina (SC), South Dakota (SD), Tennessee (TN), Texas (TX), Utah (UT), Vermont (VT), Virginia (VA), Washington (WA), West Virginia (WV), Wisconsin (WI), Wyoming (WY), USAThe same problem with over stuffing here, but keywords are 90% useless in most cases anyway.

Conclusion
I would have no problem accepting their submission, but they could seriously optimize their site for better results.

[bikerboys]

sure why not

[workshop]

What is right? What is wrong? Who are we building our directories for?
Be wary of creating an "ethics" code that might make sense to you but simply imposes unecessary burdens on you an your associatesIntegrity and a bit of expeience is all you need in the way of a code. And this is the example we should be setting for newcomers entering this market.you're probably right.. Google probably pays an elite group of people millions of dollars each per year to surf dp and find directories to target..

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

When will this end?When directory masters begin to understand that they have an obligation and responsibility to ask questions, to set and maintain generally acceptable standards.

[jetbrains]

I would accept this site, not sure what is the problem with site? It looks nice.

[MrS]

You can accept the first one without problems.

[centime]

@workshop

I think your poll is fairly decisive, then again , its up to you to accept or reject the collective wisdom of your respondents

The site's owners are not paragons of altruistic virture, they are simply folk who want to earn a living, their site is not the best, but it does what is says on the label

Anyways, if they come my way ,,, :)

[The Pheonix]

@workshop

I think your poll is fairly decisive, then again , its up to you to accept or reject the collective wisdom of your respondents

The site's owners are not paragons of altruistic virture, they are simply folk who want to earn a living, their site is not the best, but it does what is says on the label

Anyways, if they come my way ,,, :)Rather nicely put, if they came my way I'd have no worries of giving them a good review, they seem to have thier house in order and no black hat being used. We go one further on sites like this and phone them up for legitimacy, its just one of the extra's we like to offer, they are who they say they are which is important. :)

[malcolm1]

Rather nicely put, if they came my way I'd have no worries of giving them a good review, they seem to have thier house in order and no black hat being used. We go one further on sites like this and phone them up for legitimacy, its just one of the extra's we like to offer, they are who they say they are which is important. :)

ohhhh so your the smart ass calling me while im trying to have diner with my family :eek:

I thought i got rid of you dam telemarketers a few years ago :p

laterz
malcolm1

[workshop]

Its fine for a general directory but I certainly wouldn't list it on any site that we are developing as a quality resource. What interested me was the fact that someone with relatively little experience picked it out and more importantly asked a question. That's something we should encourage and the its the sort of guidance we should be offering emerging directory masters.

I assume its run and owned by internet marketing types who are broking for the service providers they list. Its shop window that as been positioned to lure and solicit leads and it raises the question of how one should deal with sites selling affiliate goods and services? Particularly in the travel industry.

[The Pheonix]

ohhhh so your the smart ass calling me while im trying to have diner with my family :eek:

I thought i got rid of you dam telemarketers a few years ago :p

laterz
malcolm1LMAO; nope, I'm the heavy breather. :D

[CReed]

Its shop window that as been positioned to lure and solicit leads and it raises the question of how one should deal with sites selling affiliate goods and services? Particularly in the travel industry.

Affiliate site acceptance is usually a personal choice - some don't mind listing them and others are opposed.

[YMC]

I'm in a bit of a quandary over this site. It definitely sets off my scam warnings. There's no information about the companies listed (at least for NC) despite their being a column for it. The language on the site appears to be written by a non-native English speaker. There is a set of keyword links on the bottom of every page that points back to the homepage - while not black hat, surely shades of gray. The meta tags are within the 'rules' but just barely.

It just smells wrong. I would be surprised if the companies listed on this site even know they are. My guess is the entire site is designed to 'find' customers and then blackmail the company to get the name. It might be interesting to contact a company or two and see if they have agreed to work with this company/site.

[CReed]

Rather than wonder what the odor is, has anyone contacted them and made an inquiry about their business model or services offered to both the consumer and contractor?

Their contact details are available on the site.

FYI: Related sites:

fabricatorforum.info
stonematrix.com
countertopmatrix.com
amstonefab.com - (no longer active site)

[malcolm1]

LMAO; nope, I'm the heavy breather. :D

Dam i thought that was my one off my crazy x girlfriends from high school just stocking me :D

ahhhhhhh the good ole days! where have they gone

thx
malcolm

[The Pheonix]

Rather than wonder what the odor is, has anyone contacted them and made an inquiry about their business model or services offered to both the consumer and contractor?

Their contact details are available on the site.

FYI: Related sites:

fabricatorforum.info
stonematrix.com
countertopmatrix.com
amstonefab.com - (no longer active site)

Follow up was http://whois.domaintools.com/counterstop.com Hmm, the plot thickens.

[kenvin]

It's a nice website.

[workshop]

Divergent views are important if one is genuinely looking for solutions. Just as it is important to encourage directory masters to err on the side of caution. Particularly when charging to review sites that are being submitted for a listing.Affiliate site acceptance is usually a personal choice - some don't mind listing them and others are opposed.A question that also gets me all a flutter. The way I see it, this is the difference between a general listing and a quality resource and I don't see that distinction being made in this industry.

I am not saying that a general listing should accept all the in betweens irrespective of purpose. What I am saying is that a general listing could be seen to apply a far less rigorous set of values and acceptance standards. Its the tendency to misuse and abuse of the word quality I don't like.

[CReed]

A question that also gets me all a flutter. The way I see it, this is the difference between a general listing and a quality resource and I don't see that distinction being made in this industry.

Everyone has a different point of view. Who are you to question how anyone makes a distinction between what they feel may be acceptable or not?

I am not saying that a general listing should accept all the in betweens irrespective of purpose. What I am saying is that a general listing could be seen to apply a far less rigorous set of values and acceptance standards.

Are you the one who's been preaching integrity to others around here? Do you understand the basic concept?

Its the tendency to misuse and abuse of the word quality I don't like.

So I take it since not everyone shares your views on quality, they're all wrong?

Or is it "Do as I say and not as I do?"

[The Pheonix]

Is this site listed in dmoz? Wondering if they would accept it as it would show their level of review.

[workshop]

Divergent views are important if one is genuinely looking for solutions.No need get crabby. Besides the fact that I believe its important that the directory masters who are working with us get a different perspective on these sort of issues there are just so many "quality" directories to choose from, even I get confused. Do you believe its unreasonable to expect anyone claiming special status to account publicly and justify the inclusion of any questionable content in their directories? Do you accept submissions from affiliate marketing sites?

[Badlands07]

Would you accept this site http://www.counterstop.com?

My instant reaction was to reject this, but after further inspection I like that fact that they have contact information with address, so in the end I think I would accept it.

how about this affiliate site?

http://www.amazing-cover-letters.com/

Would you accept it? or reject?

just wondering is all :)

I would not accept this site. These all seem like scams to me.

Just my 2 cents...:-)
Chris

[CReed]

Do you believe its unreasonable to expect anyone claiming special status to account publicly and justify the inclusion of any questionable content in their directories?

Please tell me why any directory owner should be accountable to you or anyone else or have to justify the addition of any listing within their index?

It's really simple - if you don't like the index or question the quality, don't use the directory or their services and move on already. I'm sure you can judge for yourself whether or not its a quality index.

But to expect another to uphold to someone else's standards or justify the addition of any listing is absurd for someone who's interested in selling links in some of the directories you own.

You bemoan about others whom have directories that lack content and boast about the niche directories you're helping to create, yet when I review one of your many travel directories, I see you've been able to add an average of 2.5 listings per month in the almost 2 years your directory has supposedly been around?

I'm not sure why you'd need more than one travel directory; you seem to be having a difficult enough of a time creating one useful resource. Unless it's just a part of your own network that you use to sell the 200 links (I think that's the number you mentioned) with a replacement warranty?

But seeing as you're the accountable type of guy; can I ask you how you honestly question anyone else's integrity when you seem to take pride in offering your visitors quality listings with such rich content as that offered on new-york-rooms.com?

On second thought, spare me any more of the BS.

I especially like the discussion forums. Rich, definitely rich.

[workshop]

So irrespective of what sort of content they may be listing any directory master can claim "special" or "quality" status and you will go along with that. I also take it that you are "one of many" who dont believe Google has any problems with those self same directories selling links for the PR they pass and that we can just continue bullshi*ing each other that they are just tweaking their peat.
But seeing as you're the accountable type of guy; can I ask you how you honestly question anyone else's integrity when you seem to take pride in offering your visitors quality listings with such rich content as that offered on new-york-rooms.com?
Not one of our sites. If you are going to ask questions, ask questions. Dont try scoring cheap points. I am not going to tuck my tail between my legs and crawl into a hole like some. Nor am I going to raise the dead to shout you down, belittle and insult you. Finally unlike most I dont have anything to hide. Our users in the short term are the search engine spiders and web masters looking for quality links that have a long term value. I admit this. I recognise that we work for Google and thats why we will only accept what we consider to be user friendly sites. It takes time to train a diectory master and thats what we are doing. But its absolutely essential to get them thinking right, right from the start. Then once they are ready, they will train the next trainer and thats how we work and thats how we will grow.Please tell me why any directory owner should be accountable to you or anyone else or have to justify the addition of any listing within their index?I suppose its a cultural thing. If somoeone is operating in the public domain and is deliberately misrepresenting the value of the goods and services they are offering I would expect them to be held publicly accountable. But whatever flats your boat.

[CReed]

So irrespective of what sort of content they may be listing any directory master can claim "special" or "quality" status and you will go along wth that. I also take it that you are "one of many" who dont believe Google has any problems with those self same directories selling links for the PR they pass and that we an ust continue bullshi*ing each other that they are just tweaking their peak.


I think you'll agree from my previous post that I don't go along with your claims of special or quality status. ;)

And where do you see me BS'ing anyone?

Not one of our sites. If you are going to ask questions, ask questions. Dont try scoring cheap points. I am not going to tuck my tail between my legs and crawl into a hole like some. Nor am I going to raise the dead to shout you down, belittle and insult you. Finally unlike most dont have anything to hide. Our users in the short term are the search engine spiders and web masters looking for quality links that have a long term value. I admit this. I recognise that we work for Google and thats why we will only accept what we consider to be user friendly sites. It takes time to train a diectory master. But its absolutely essential to get them thinking right, right from the start.

No, it's not one of your sites. I never suggested it was. Scoring cheap points? I'm only stating a fact that it's listed in what you've been referring to as a quality niche directory you own. Nice addition. If this is representative of what you consider to be a user friendly or a quality resource, then I'm wondering what you're doing training anyone.

Before you start complaining about the stench from the neighbors, you might want to make sure you're not knee deep is shit yourself.

But just as I've suggested you do, I won't be using your resources or your services. I don't have a problem if you're not accountable to anyone, regardless of your claims of only accepting quality sites and having long term value.

[workshop]

But why are you wriggling like a stuck pig? ;)I'm only stating a fact that it's listed in what you've been referring to as a quality niche directory you own. Nice addition.That's a good example of what I am talking about. You don't appear to be terminally stupid so all it can be is a deliberate attempt to twist fiction into fact. Are you a Nigerian by any chance?

You mention a site we have nothing to do with and use that to rubbish the directory in my signature. That's the only one that I have claimed is being developed as a quality resource. The rest of our workshop sites do offer long term value and as such quality back links. But there is a subtle difference which has obviously escaped you.

When I first started in this business I never believed that people such as this existed let alone are capable of holding an industry to ransom. I took advice, made some mistakes and then started thinking for myself. Which directory are you talking about? And whilst you are about it try giving me a straight answer to some direct questions.

Do you or don't you believe that Google has said selling PR is a bad business practise?
Do you or don't you believe that Google is intent on putting a stop to that and other similar schemes?
Do you or don't you believe that listing affiliate content is something to be encouraged.
I won't be using your resources or your services. I don't have a problem if you're not accountable to anyone, regardless of your claims of only accepting quality sites and having long term value.Would it have anything to do with the fact that after you PM'ed me I asked you why you wanted our list which appeared to hit a raw nerve. :D

[CReed]

Wriggling? Far from it. I'm quite comfortable in my skin. :)

But thanks for suggesting that I'm a spammer, con artist and scammer.

I think I mentioned at the time my reasons for my interest in your directories - I'm always lookling for quality resources where I can promote my own and my clients sites. But I'm sure if you review those PMs, it'll reveal quite a different picture than what you're trying to paint. After seeing the crap such as that above listed there, I think you know why I have no interest.

I think I'll leave this where it's at - it's rather tiresome when someone continues to edit ther posts after I've replied. Is it an attempt to appear witty? or just score some cheap points?

I'll give you the last word - it seems to be all you're interested in. ;)

Cheers.

[Dave E]

I would put it on hold and tell them to fix the bugs 1st.

[mirturk]

It's your decision but I think you should accept.

[workshop]

But I'm sure if you review those PMs, it'll reveal quite a different picture than what you're trying to paint. Not so. I asked you why you were interested in our list and you lost interest. How do I know? I know because you told me so.Mark,

It's unfortunate that I seem to be viewed as a possible troll or someone who would be looking to attempt to try and trash what another has worked towards.

I would have though that you may have had a different view of me, I don't recall where I've ever confronted you nor displayed any animosity towards you.

Thanks just the same, but I seem to have lost interest.
As always, best wishes for your continued success online.

Cheers,

CReed


Quote:
Originally Posted by workshop
My only concern is exposing my hand to some of the more vindictive trolls that lurk on DP. I am being deliberately confrontational and dont believe I have made many friends in the process.

Our sites are basic and I am not being very clever. If they do get trashed we can recover but its the time that we dont have. Can I ask why you are interested?

Mark


Quote:
Originally Posted by CReed
Hi,

Wondering if you'd care to share the directory list you mention

Thanks,

CReed

But thanks for suggesting that I'm a spammer, con artist and scammer.
I have accused you of being deliberately dishonest. That's a matter of record but as for the rest I cant get a straight answer out of you. All you appear to be interested in is having a dig a me instead of discussing issues which I believe are very relevant. Besides being a space cadet what does that make you?

[CReed]

All you appear to be interested in is having a dig a me instead of discussing issues which I believe are very relevant. Besides being a space cadet what does that make you?

The issues I'm bringing up seem to strike a nerve with you and you choose to avoid discussing them.

Having a dig? Nah, I'm just trying to figure out how you're comfortable peddling links (quality links according to you) while accusing others of listing the same crap I'm finding in your directory.

Rather than address what's on your plate, you like to avoid questions tossed your way by responding with a question. Enjoy the personal attacks and name calling. It's what I'd expect you to resort to.

The more wriggling you do, the more you bleed. ;)

If you want to continue to make it personal, You can find me on Yahoo messenger.

[The Pheonix]

C;mon guys, lets make this civil. If you disagree with each other do as I do and agree to disagree. I can' stand some of the posters here as they can't stand me, but I deal with it. The only time you can really make it really personal is if you squared up to each other physically and truth be known most of you wouldn't dare if you saw each other.

@Workshop; I agee with an awful lot of what you say and quite often support your threads, the problem is you've already conceded that sometimes its like hitting your head against a brick wall, some people will never change, don't try to change them is how I see it.

[malcolm1]

C;mon guys, lets make this civil. If you disagree with each other do as I do and agree to disagree. I can' stand some of the posters here as they can't stand me, but I deal with it. The only time you can really make it really personal is if you squared up to each other physically and truth be known most of you wouldn't dare if you saw each other.

dont we all ... hehehe

I agree but thiers just not much that can scare away a 6'2 265 pound man either :D

in the words off rodney king during the LA riots...

Cant we All just....... Get Along :p

Regardless ... ive got to much work today online and family coming from out of town so
need to get stuff done around here myself :o

see yaz
malcolm1

[The Pheonix]

dont we all ... hehehe

I agree but thiers just not much that can scare away a 6'2 265 pound man either :D

in the words off rodney king during the LA riots...

Cant we All just....... Get Along :p

Regardless ... ive got to much work today online and family coming from out of town so
need to get stuff done around here myself :o

see yaz
malcolm1lol; your too funny, but at least its stopped the bitchin at least for a while. :D

[workshop]

@Workshop; I agree with an awful lot of what you say and quite often support your threads, the problem is you've already conceded that sometimes its like hitting your head against a brick wall, some people will never change, don't try to change them is how I see it.This is nothing more than an exercise for us. A field trip and a live example of what to expect and what to look out for. Monkey men like anOn are as transparent as the light of day but this one intrigues me. We discuss him, we debate him, prod, poke and dissect him. But who is he and what's his beef? Weaned on vinegar no doubt and a bad sport (GO BOKKE GO!) to boot but for the life of me I cant place him.Nah, I'm just trying to figure out how you're comfortable peddling links (quality links according to you) while accusing others of listing the same crap I'm finding in your directory.I just wish you would be a little more specific. But thanks you have finally taken the bait and you are flip-flopping around the point I want to make. There is a difference, a BIG difference. We are not trying fool anyone. Or put another way, we don't lie. There is no need. Everyone knows that one directory has the same value as the next irrespective of how many goo-gaahs you add or how you try to disguise the fact that we are all just selling links. Even Google knows this and they are quite happy to accept it as long as we only charge for the review and not the placement of a link. This distinction is important because it goes to the root of what we refer to loosely as "editorial integrity". And its always the team that plays the tightest game that takes the cup back home with them. Better luck next time sunshine. Maybe you guys need to bone up on your match play strategy. Are you looking for a new coach perhaps? You have to be English. No one else could be so anally retentive and still lose it when it gets to the critical points.

Whatever to get back to the issue at hand we set up and run crap directories. That is, if by crap directories you mean a default script and empty categories besides the handpicked topic specific quality content our soon to be directory owners are adding in order to build a useful resource. That is if you mean crap directories that offer back links with genuine long term value and a very very reasonable review fee. What is wrong with this? If we stick to our original game plan (sorry :( couldn't resist it) absolutely nothing or do you disagree?

My point is that window dressing is just that. The bad guys call it "promoting your directory" whereas I call it "deliberate misrepresentation". Dress it in a suit comb its hair and think you can call a fu*king shovel a garden troll. No ways. A lie is still a lie no matter how you twist and turn it. We are deliberately exposing ourselves. We want to stick out like a dogs ball and all we are saying is that we are different. We are honest about what we are doing. We don't lie and we will look after anyone who is stupid enough to submit to and get their sites accepted by one of our directory masters. What's wrong with that?

But that's not what you were getting at, is it?Rather than address what's on your plate, you like to avoid questions tossed your way by responding with a question.Forgive me but you are quite right. What you are alluding to is the fact that we have listed some dodgy content in a few of the directories I set up before I learnt that you cant trust anyone, not even the prim and proper types. This despite the fact I have already told you that those are workshop sites that offer quality long term back links because they will developed as a quality resource once we get the time to clear out all the spam we got flooded with when we offered free and reciprocal linking options. No doubt by some of your mates who strut about this forum with peacock feathers stuck up their backside. In fact if I am not mistaken there was a pom I would give my eye teeth to have a one on one with. It wasn't you by any chance? Is that why you know so much about our directories? Who are your clients by the way?The more wriggling you do, the more you bleed. But what really staggers me is how shameless and how utterly brazen you are. You gloss over outright fibs without so much as batting an eyelid. I called you on the PM's we exchanged and despite the fact you have been exposed as a liar it means nothing to you. Where do you come from?Thanks for your reply Mark.

I'm not sure that I mentioned anything about posting the list publicly? If that was my intent, I would have asked for it publicly.

I think it best that you don't send me the list, I'd hate to be suspect should the list become public.

Best regards,

CReed
Quote:
Originally Posted by workshop
I think you misunderstood what I said. Whilst I subscribe to transparency I would hesitate to post the contents of my list on DP because of the possible consequences. I have gone head to head with a lot of people who are very popular on DP and who are respected in the industry. Its not you I am worried about but I have a responsibility to the guys I work with. People that I have made promises to, people who are depending on me for the income they now earn. I have a big mouth and it always gets me into trouble. I hope you understand that I am terrified of the consequences of some of the dumb things I am getting up to on the forum. On the other-hand I also believe that what has been said needs to be said and that it will be woth it at the end of the day. No offence intended.

Mark

[Barefootsies]

wow you got a submission ? :D

HAHAHAHHHAA...
;)

[lohan]

This is nothing more than an exercise for us. A field trip and a live example of what to expect and what to look out for. We do debate issues, we don't always agree. I lost this one and am now paying the price. Thanks mate. You blew it for me :(

[workshop]

Here is another one I am not sure how to deal with www.corsicatravelguide.com ? Is it MFA? Is it a shop window? Is it useful? Would you add it to a directory committed to listing quality sites only?

[mywebsearches]

It appears you're getting tested with these sites, be careful whether you accept them or not.

On the other hand, it appears you need to a lot of help deciding what's bad or good (which only exists in our minds)

If I were you, I would accept it and move on to the next listings. I think is more important to look at what that site can become in the future. You can also warm them about your guidelines in case the site become unacceptable.

[domainpubber]

Not sure if anybody noticed, but the text in the footer scrolly has changed since this thread began. Who owns this site anyway?

[workshop]

It appears you're getting tested with these sites, be careful whether you accept them or not.

On the other hand, it appears you need to a lot of help deciding what's bad or good (which only exists in our minds)

If I were you, I would accept it and move on to the next listings. I think is more important to look at what that site can become in the future. You can also warm them about your guidelines in case the site become unacceptable.The problem we have is setting guidelines for first time directory masters and its turning into a monster. A lot of this is pure gut feel and experience and given recent developments in the industry, our policy is move on to the next site if in doubt. But should a directory master relax these criteria when reviewing paid submissions?

I don't know. And yes I am busy tying myself up in knots. Is there anything wrong with someone "marketing" goods and services as a third party? Why is affiliate marketing considered to be anti-social in certain circles?Not sure if anybody noticed, but the text in the footer scrolly has changed since this thread began. Who owns this site anyway?I haven't checked but just thought it interesting that someone so new to directories picked it out and felt the need to ask whether there is a real service being offered or whether in his words its work in progress and questionable intent.