Proxies on Directories

[Red_Virus]

Hi Guys,

I am getting a lot of proxies submitted on my directory under the category "Security"

Does any one approves proxies ? I am kind of slightly confused.

Amit :)

[pipes]

I dont approve proxies, i dont get much submissions of them really.

[mrcrowley]

What is wrong with proxies, why should we not approve them?

[Matt B]

I am getting a lot of proxies submitted on my directory under the category "Security"
Creating a specific category to cater for proxy webmasters would probably solve your problem.

[bobby9101]

DMOZ lists them, so why shouldn't you?
Don't get into a DMOZ is crap debate, I am just simply stating a fact.

[pipes]

DMOZ lists them, so why shouldn't you?
Don't get into a DMOZ is crap debate, I am just simply stating a fact.

I dont really know much about DMOZ, nor proxies, ive never used a proxy site, dont 100% understand them but its because ive never went near one.

Its just 1 of maybe 100+ types of sites that i wouldn't list.

[bobby9101]

Proxies aren't always used for bad reasons, plenty of people use them to access DP

[pipes]

Proxies aren't always used for bad reasons, plenty of people use them to access DP

Genuine (clueless) question: Why do people use them to access DP? or any other forum for example.

[bobby9101]

Genuine (clueless) question: Why do people use them to access DP? or any other forum for example.
A firewall at school ro work may have blocked DP or any other website, their IP may be banned, they want to remain anonymous, any number of reasons

[pipes]

A firewall at school ro work may have blocked DP or any other website, their IP may be banned, they want to remain anonymous, any number of reasons

Thanks, il steer clear, ive got no use for them. :)

[trichnosis]

proxy sites are being used for only cheating from everybody and i think approving proxy sites is not a good idea

[BribeMe]

proxy sites are being used for only cheating from everybody and i think approving proxy sites is not a good idea

That statment is kinda weird, do you have anything to back that up?
Cheating as in?
It could be used to access a site because you have dns troubles, (more like your isp in that case but anyways) Is that cheating? :)

So saying proxy sites is only used for cheating is quite invalid rofl.


Ontopic, i don't really care if directories accept proxies or not, iv'e submitted to 3 dirs or something, they had a promotion in one way or another.

[templates]

ive accepted a few proxies in my directories..do not see an issue in accepting them

[Obelia]

They don't usually last very long, and they don't have any content of their own, so I don't link to them. But I don't think they're bad, they're just another tool which can be used for good reasons or mischief.

[jg123]

I dont really know much about DMOZ, nor proxies, ive never used a proxy site, dont 100% understand them but its because ive never went near one. Its just 1 of maybe 100+ types of sites that i wouldn't list.

Unusual reasons for not listing a site. Which directory is yours? I am curious.

[trichnosis]

That statment is kinda weird, do you have anything to back that up?
Cheating as in?
It could be used to access a site because you have dns troubles, (more like your isp in that case but anyways) Is that cheating? :)

So saying proxy sites is only used for cheating is quite invalid rofl.


Ontopic, i don't really care if directories accept proxies or not, iv'e submitted to 3 dirs or something, they had a promotion in one way or another.

proxy sites can be used to access a web site as you said

BUT NOW proxy sites are MOSTLY being used FOR CHEATING. you can find so many PROXY (= CHEATER) sites as i mention.

i'm repeating again, proxies are only being used for cheating and a giving a link to a proxy is a big RISK :)

[Red_Virus]

Well I am doubtful of linking back proxies from directories as proxies can be used for anything like accessing internet from work to also hacking. So just not sure about them ! Proxies have both a good and a bad side & that is what which is making it difficult for to approve or not to approve !

[craze3]

I am a proxy owner and I have submitted my proxy to many directories (not proxy specific) and been approved. I encourage all you directory owners to let proxies be added to your directories.

[pipes]

Unusual reasons for not listing a site. Which directory is yours? I am curious.

Hi jg123, Point out what you mean and il give an explanation, i currently have 4 directories, you used one a few days ago. :)

[VCTech]

What specific category would be most suitable for listing proxy websites in a directory? I don't think I have a category for proxies but I want to create one :)

[Matt B]

It really does depend on your current category structure. Place it where you feel it is most appropriate.

Internet » Proxies?

- Matt

[jg123]

hey pipes, I just thought your statement about not really knowing what a site does and having not used it before would lead you to not approve it. I just wondered what other sites you would not allow in your directory based on that criteria. I know everyone can run their directory anyway they want, and I support that but I find it a little unusual,

I don't see a problem with proxies, someone above said it was because people use them to access the web from work and I don't really see what the problem is. And hackers use IBM computers to hack so you would not allow IBM into your directory?

I have been using a proxy site a lot over the past few months because my ip seems to be blocked from lots of sites.

[pipes]

jg123 Oh no no :o my apologies, i could have worded that post better i think, i didn't mean i would reject only through not understanding what a site offered, it would be ignorant and wrong of me.

I think what i should do is within the next day or two i can spend some time reading about them and find out fully how they can be used, ive heard the bad side of them too often probably.

Lack of knowledge from my side.

An example of another site ive declined in the past was one that concentrated on the end of the world, in a way that i didn't agree with, i gave an explanation to the owner, its just the way the site came accross, i didn't want to list it.

After educating myself on proxies it may lead to me adding a category for them, still learning. :)

A few categories that i choose to leave out of my directories that you may find common at others are Loans, Mortgages, Employment etc
Just certain things im not fully comfortable listing but i mean nothing towards anyone running those sites.

I list Phonecard sites but i see some dont like listing them, just one of those things.;)

[Matt B]

I can slightly understand where you're coming from by not wanting to be affiliated with web proxies.

The vast majority of them are made purely to generate revenue via Adsense and it's no secret that they can be used for unscrupulous purposes.

However, you lost me completely when you mentioned loans, mortgages and employment. Why wouldn't you want to be associated with sites on these subjects?

- Matt

[pipes]

I can slightly understand where you're coming from by not wanting to be affiliated with web proxies. The vast majority of them are made purely to generate revenue via Adsense and it's no secret that they can be used for doing stuff that perhaps you shouldn't be doing.

However, you lost me completely when you mentioned loans, mortgages and employment. Why wouldn't you want to be associated with sites on these subjects?

- Matt

Um :) its just a personal choice, i dont want to offend in anyway, im struggling to explain but its just one of those choices, i guess not a bad thing maybe??

[indyguidedotinfo]

aren't proxy breaking some kind of law?

[bobby9101]

aren't proxy breaking some kind of law?
another myth

[mikey1090]

I can slightly understand where you're coming from by not wanting to be affiliated with web proxies.

The vast majority of them are made purely to generate revenue via Adsense and it's no secret that they can be used for unscrupulous purposes.

However, you lost me completely when you mentioned loans, mortgages and employment. Why wouldn't you want to be associated with sites on these subjects?

- Matt

Proxies are basically an MFA.

An MFA wordpress blog with some unique articles on is still and MFA. A proxy full of adsense and a free script is probably worse.

Having said that, everyone who wants a proxy would find them useful if you had a list of them in your directory. So its your personal choice. Perhaps accept those proxies with less ads, no pop ups, uniqueness like custom design etc.

[bobby9101]

Proxies are basically an MFA.

An MFA wordpress blog with some unique articles on is still and MFA. A proxy full of adsense and a free script is probably worse.

Having said that, everyone who wants a proxy would find them useful if you had a list of them in your directory. So its your personal choice. Perhaps accept those proxies with less ads, no pop ups, uniqueness like custom design etc.
WRONG. MFA provide no real value to an end user, proxies do.
If a site with lots of ads provides value to a user, it isn't a true MFA.
Otherwise all directories would be called MFG, made for google.

[mikey1090]

No, you are wrong. Please re-read my post

Proxies are basically an MFA.

An MFA wordpress blog with some unique articles on is still and MFA. A proxy full of adsense and a free script is probably worse.

Having said that, everyone who wants a proxy would find them useful if you had a list of them in your directory. So its your personal choice. Perhaps accept those proxies with less ads, no pop ups, uniqueness like custom design etc.

I said proxies are useful to those who want them. If i create a blog, publish 100 formula 1 articles, someone interested in f1 may like my blog. Same way someone who like proxies would like to see a list in a directory, just like i said first time round.

Thats why you have to check the quality of the MFA - does the MFA provide any use? Does the prxy have any use - yes usually.

[bobby9101]

If your site had 100 unique useful articles about f1 racing, then I wouldn't consider it MFA

[mikey1090]

If your site had 100 unique useful articles about f1 racing, then I wouldn't consider it MFA

I see. This just goes to show how thin the line is between useful and MFA.

When you think about it, MFA means a site made to make money with adsense. As money is the only motive, it usually sucks and thats why MFAs are often easy to spot. However buying 100 articles could cost me around $300, submit to some paid directories and i could be making $70 a month with my F1 MFA. Even though its quality, it was still made for adsense revenue - so its an MFA regardless of its content.

Did i ever mention the quality MFA i have that i sold for $500 on sitepoint marketplace. That was a low quality MFA, a content scraper. You could easily tell it was MFA, but when i submitted it directories, people noticed the 25,000 pages of content and decided it must be good.

I think we need a good tutorial on what is actually MFA, and what MFA is acceptable.

[jg123]

For $3 an article I doubt you would get much quality.

[bobby9101]

I see. This just goes to show how thin the line is between useful and MFA.

When you think about it, MFA means a site made to make money with adsense. As money is the only motive, it usually sucks and thats why MFAs are often easy to spot. However buying 100 articles could cost me around $300, submit to some paid directories and i could be making $70 a month with my F1 MFA. Even though its quality, it was still made for adsense revenue - so its an MFA regardless of its content.

Did i ever mention the quality MFA i have that i sold for $500 on sitepoint marketplace. That was a low quality MFA, a content scraper. You could easily tell it was MFA, but when i submitted it directories, people noticed the 25,000 pages of content and decided it must be good.

I think we need a good tutorial on what is actually MFA, and what MFA is acceptable.
Ok if you are taking MFA literally, well 99% of sites are made for profit, all
of your directories are, so should I not accept them?
Honestly, MFA isn't a good term, it should be, UMFAS = "useless made for adsense site"

For $3 an article I doubt you would get much quality.
Right you are

[10101]

I approve them in mine, and I really don't see any reason not too.

[Obelia]

I see. This just goes to show how thin the line is between useful and MFA.

When you think about it, MFA means a site made to make money with adsense. As money is the only motive, it usually sucks and thats why MFAs are often easy to spot. However buying 100 articles could cost me around $300, submit to some paid directories and i could be making $70 a month with my F1 MFA. Even though its quality, it was still made for adsense revenue - so its an MFA regardless of its content.

No, the site would still be MFA if the quality of those articles was what you typically get for $3. How many people charging $3 an article actually have any insider knowledge of F1 anyway?

[jg123]

have any insider knowledge of F1 anyway?

At $3 an article you would probably be getting English as a third language.

I don't think just any site that tries to make money with adsense should be considered MFA.

My way of judging if a site is MFA is the 'screen real-estate' test. If the opening screen contains more than 25% ads I am usually turned-off and consider the sites MFA. Most MFA sites have 50% ads on the opening screen real estate. If a site is more subtle with it's use of ad space I will look a little deeper at the content.

In my book,subtle ad use and some decent original content ='s not MFA

[floppydrivez]

Proxies do have multiple purposes and I personally don't need them. If I did I would use one /shrug.

I would hardly consider them bad neighborhoods though. Linking to them shouldn't affect you in any manor. I just couldn't see the logic in that.