So what's happened to bidding directories?

[The Pheonix]

Okay, granted the question of bidding directories has pretty much been exhausted but I'd like to keep in the loop on events. What is the current state, if any, of bidding directories? Are they still in existence, are they still viable or have they all simply conceded defeat and moved back to real directories? Or are there still people out there who think they are of value regardless of the recent onslaught?

[Red_Virus]

Well I don't think that any thing has happened to the bidding directories & they are not even banned. They are & will co-exist with the other web directories, If Google proves me wrong then I have no option. I am still getting traffic & also bids on a regular basis to my directory.

Also If u check the S/A section, I think that there is a new bidding directory than is coming up each day ;)

[britishguy]

Markets support niche business, and the directory market is no different there is a bidding directory niche which will be around for some foreseeable time in the future

[pipes]

Im expecting to see some of the Bidding Directories make some significant changes and add some good features, i think they need to.

I still wont be starting one but best of success if your working on making yours something special.

[mikey1090]

The phase of "lets make some $$$ from this" is dieing out quite a bit. This is good for those who are in it for the long term.

From my point of view things have been down in october as has the rest of the market according to several directory owners.

The current craze is to open as many bid directories as possible like this guy here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=4756518 and to accpet free $2 bids, so someone else has to pay $3 to outbid - therefore is gaining money easily.

[Kuldeep1952]

Times are changing for the bidding directories. It is best to
realise the change early and adapt to a directory more conforming
to Google guidelines.

[uttoransen]

bidding directories (http://goodwebdirectory.com/blog/2007/10/07/list-of-bidding-directories-sorted-by-minimum-bid-amount/) are doing very well! bidding directories are just like other directories, the only difference is the submitter has a better control over the listings, so the submitters like this kind of directories, and that's why they keep bidding and keep submitting!

I still get enough submission on my bidding directories, am working on them, and am pretty confident that they will do good in the future!:)

[The Pheonix]

Well I don't think that any thing has happened to the bidding directories & they are not even banned. They are & will co-exist with the other web directories, If Google proves me wrong then I have no option. I am still getting traffic & also bids on a regular basis to my directory.

Also If u check the S/A section, I think that there is a new bidding directory than is coming up each day ;)Did anyone say they were banned? I concede to thinking they are a complete waste of time and wouldn't in a million years use one, if I thought they were viable I'd be doing one myself as I like money like the rest of you but I don't plan on destroying the 'real' directory scene as a result. If people are still using you and bidding on a regular basis then more fool them but its thier money after all and its not for me to tell them otherwise, its thier money after all.

[choice]

Times are changing for the bidding directories. It is best to
realise the change early and adapt to a directory more conforming
to Google guidelines.

come on how are times changing

you have the odd one or two running scared and either selling or trying to sell

then you have the others like myself and mikey and more that will keep and continue to grow there bidding directories regardless of what the morons of dp keep saying.

imo bidding directories have not and will not be banned by google and will be around for a long time to come.

hopefully with everything that has happened and is yet to happen you will see a lot of the crap and blatant QBC owners disappear and the real worthwhile sites will grow

[DownUnder]

The current craze is to open as many bid directories as possible like this guy here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=4756518 and to accpet free $2 bids, so someone else has to pay $3 to outbid - therefore is gaining money easily.

sad to see that crap, when its no more than link farming and also throws good operators under the same cloud, but they will be weeded out I'm sure.

As for the question yes our new directory will be a BID MK2 and i have no fears or regrets about it.

[The Pheonix]

come on how are times changing

you have the odd one or two running scared and either selling or trying to sell

then you have the others like myself and mikey and more that will keep and continue to grow there bidding directories regardless of what the morons of dp keep saying.

imo bidding directories have not and will not be banned by google and will be around for a long time to come.

hopefully with everything that has happened and is yet to happen you will see a lot of the crap and blatant QBC owners disappear and the real worthwhile sites will growI'd be prepared to lay an open bet that bidding directories are not the way forward, they are a gimmick, no business (real one, like joe the plumber) is ever going to submit to them let alone get into a bidding war so you need to get a grip on reality. but hey, its only my opinion with about two thirds of the rest of directory owners who are serious about making things work long term not short term. Let's just wait and see perhaps.

Edit: The one thing that tells me people are panicking about the future of thier bidding directories is when you start getting the anonymous red reps saying 'another stupid thread'; sorry anonymous red repper, this post is only stupid if it bothers you that I talk the truth. BTW, I'm colour blind so red away. :D

[deebee]

Still going strong for Blendz - holding the #1 slot for bidding web directory (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=bidding+web+directory&meta=) and a steady trickle of submissions.

[rhyswynne]

Well I've just launched my own Bidding Directory (http://www.bid-directory-uk.co.uk). Will i make a million? Probably not. Will I break even? Maybe. It's more an experiment just to see how successful I can make it. I know it's going to be more of a long term thingy, just want to see if I can make a go of it :)

[choice]

its only my opinion with about two thirds of the rest of directory owners who are serious about making things work long term not short term. Let's just wait and see perhaps.


i certainly am not in it for the short term

unlike a lot of bidding directories who have registered there domain for 1 year mine is registered for the next 3 years with plans to increase that to 10 years over the next few weeks

as for nobody submitting i get daily submissions from all kinds of websites not just over directory owners

[DownUnder]

I'd be prepared to lay an open bet that bidding directories are not the way forward, they are a gimmick, no business (real one, like joe the plumber) is ever going to submit to them let alone get into a bidding war so you need to get a grip on reality.

A bid directory , general directory or neiche directory all need good management moving forward, just owning say a nieche does not guarantee the right formula if freddy fumbles is at the wheel.

I deleted my offer to take up your bet, but will put it back on these terms ( no money as i dont want to take it from you ) but put on the table what you think cant be done or wont work and i'll bowl them over for you.

[mrcrowley]

i certainly am not in it for the short term

unlike a lot of bidding directories who have registered there domain for 1 year mine is registered for the next 3 years with plans to increase that to 10 years over the next few weeks


I don't really think you can say for sure someones not in for the long term just because they only register a domain for a year.

[The Pheonix]

A bid directory , general directory or neiche directory all need good management moving forward, just owning say a nieche does not guarantee the right formula if freddy fumbles is at the wheel.

I deleted my offer to take up your bet, but will put it back on these terms ( no money as i dont want to take it from you ) but put on the table what you think cant be done or wont work and i'll bowl them over for you.lol, this isn't cricket, that's the only time you'd have a chance of getting money off me for betting against an Aussie. :D It's not the driver in this case DU, its the concept that is damaging. You see, and god knows this has been said time and time again, google don't like paid links, by that they don't like link selling for the sake of link selling, they have nothing against selling reviews for links which is massivley different but when bidding directories came on the scene it started a false economy of PR chasers.

I've only done the internet thing five years or so, but know enough to see that no real life business or genuine site of valued content would knowingly enter into a bidding war just to get a link on a directory that is simply never going to get seen by the real visitor who they want to convert into either a sale or repeat visitor. Bidding directories are a gimmick thought up by one or two bright sparks who knew there would be people of little knowledge that would jump at them, they don't care who the customer of the bidding directories are just as long as they sell their software, they've done thier bit then.

I'm betting your a youngster like me, I may be wrong, so go ask your local businessman if they had two choices, they had the choice to get listed on a good directory with good content for $50 for example which gave them a real chance of getting visitors or ask them if they would be prepared to have an open ended checkbook to get listed in a bidding directory for an unknown amount. Let's say the businessman paid $50 for his listing, all of a sudden 6 other legitimate business people came along and paid $55, $56, and so on to get thier places. Your local businessman now faces a dilemma, does he risk another X amount to get higher than his competitors? Are his comptitors even real? He doesn't know does he.

The point of the lesson is that reputable directories that are in existence at the moment only ever offer one to five top places, no if's no but's top five and if you ain't there its alphabetical. I know my Dad's a pretty shrewd businessman and asked him the question and he was like a bullet replying, saying only a fool would pay for a slot that is not guaranteed to get them a place they pay for. His words were and I quote, "If I pay $50 for a listing I want that listing to be there for the time agreed, if there's a risk of that not happening as it seems in these biddng directories then that's not good business that's gambling", my Dad's a wise guy, I'll stick with him. ;)

I'd hedge my bets and say that maybe, and its a tiny maybe, that just one or two bidding directories will ever stay the distance, but in whole the entire concept is doomed to fail.

[DownUnder]

:) ok lets rattle these of,

i understand the concept of bid directory mk1 and agree it is poorley thought out, i have a bid directory mk2 so need to be clear on that but we do agree on concept 1, but in that thats a choice and i dont knock those people as some will become very succesful.

you lost your bet re youngster i have spend 30 plus years in the selling game the last ten or running and or involved in national comapnies and sales at all levels

i agree with your dads comments and it does not apply to a mk2 directory.

my challenge stays open tell me what or why a bid directory wont work then i will show why it will ( mk2 )

MK2 directory is a bid that reduces daily or per click as in a feature not unlike google or yahoo. ( ref )

lol, this isn't cricket, that's the only time you'd have a chance of getting money off me for betting against an Aussie. :D It's not the driver in this case DU, its the concept that is damaging. You see, and god knows this has been said time and time again, google don't like paid links, by that they don't like link selling for the sake of link selling, they have nothing against selling reviews for links which is massivley different but when bidding directories came on the scene it started a false economy of PR chasers.

I've only done the internet thing five years or so, but know enough to see that no real life business or genuine site of valued content would knowingly enter into a bidding war just to get a link on a directory that is simply never going to get seen by the real visitor who they want to convert into either a sale or repeat visitor. Bidding directories are a gimmick thought up by one or two bright sparks who knew there would be people of little knowledge that would jump at them, they don't care who the customer of the bidding directories are just as long as they sell their software, they've done thier bit then.

I'm betting your a youngster like me, I may be wrong, so go ask your local businessman if they had two choices, they had the choice to get listed on a good directory with good content for $50 for example which gave them a real chance of getting visitors or ask them if they would be prepared to have an open ended checkbook to get listed in a bidding directory for an unknown amount. Let's say the businessman paid $50 for his listing, all of a sudden 6 other legitimate business people came along and paid $55, $56, and so on to get thier places. Your local businessman now faces a dilemma, does he risk another X amount to get higher than his competitors? Are his comptitors even real? He doesn't know does he.

The point of the lesson is that reputable directories that are in existence at the moment only ever offer one to five top places, no if's no but's top five and if you ain't there its alphabetical. I know my Dad's a pretty shrewd businessman and asked him the question and he was like a bullet replying, saying only a fool would pay for a slot that is not guaranteed to get them a place they pay for. His words were and I quote, "If I pay $50 for a listing I want that listing to be there for the time agreed, if there's a risk of that not happening as it seems in these biddng directories then that's not good business that's gambling", my Dad's a wise guy, I'll stick with him. ;)

I'd hedge my bets and say that maybe, and its a tiny maybe, that just one or two bidding directories will ever stay the distance, but in whole the entire concept is doomed to fail.

[casinobonusguy]

this has been a very good month for all 3 of my bid directories.

[billybw]

quote:
The current craze is to open as many bid directories as possible like this guy here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=4756518 and to accpet free $2 bids, so someone else has to pay $3 to outbid - therefore is gaining money easily.

Giving "free $2 bids" is dishonest and fraudulent. As are fake bids.

[The Pheonix]

[QUOTE]you lost your bet re youngster i have spend 30 plus years in the selling game the last ten or running and or involved in national comapnies and sales at all levelsNever bet on age, :)

i agree with your dads comments and it does not apply to a mk2 directory.I disagree but before answering in full will digest what you mean by a Mark 2 bidding directory.

my challenge stays open tell me what or why a bid directory wont work then i will show why it will ( mk2 )

MK2 directory is a bid that reduces daily or per click as in a feature not unlike google or yahoo. ( ref )It was my challenge DU, :) I've already clearly explained why a bidding directory won't work, people don't want to gamble with money they set aside for advertising, the very word 'BID' is synonymous with gambling, your not guaranteed anything, and in business (you've been in it 30 years?) no business man likes this. You will always get the odd maverick who's prepared to 'risk' hard cash but most want a tangable product for their cash.

Taking your bidding MK2 a bit further. I've already written code for the phpLynx script which counts down time for a link before it expires, you know the type of thing I mean, you pay for a week it gives a week and so on, a kind of top up as you advertise model, so your MK2 concept is nothing new to me. The reason why I'm almost certain bidding directories are doomed to fail whatever MK it is that they don't guarantee you a place for any specific time for you simply never know when a new bidder comes in. You can work around that but the fact people are simply not attracted to bids because of their nature will always make this model of directory flawed.

Good luck with your idea though, mine's not to put you down, its just to point out things as I see them, nothing more. :)

[DownUnder]

[QUOTE=DownUnder;4824895]
Never bet on age, :)
:)

All is good then, the option will not be sold as a bid in any way shape or form nor will the term be used anywhere on my site, I am prepared to roll the dice and time will tell, for now you can call me maverick if you want :) all in fun time for a kip here.

[jg123]

I think bid directories will not continue to grow until folks see how google will treat some of the more recent ones.

To me a bid directory is just a regular web directory with the option to bid for a better placement in the categories and home page. I myself was very hesitant about creating a bidding directory and resisted until I had an idea for something a little more unique than most.

[choice]

To me a bid directory is just a regular web directory with the option to bid for a better placement in the categories and home page.

Well said and i would give u green but i have to spread it first

once people realize that you treat a bid directory like a normal directory all the bitching will stop

YOU DO NOT NEED to be on the homepage that is optional

[jg123]

thanks choice, I think what turns a lot of people off bidding directories is the feeling that they feel there is an element of gambling involved.

I don't really agree with that because everything in life can be considered a gamble and if you bid for the home page and eventually 'lose' that spot you still have a higher, more visible, advantageous spot on the inside of the directory.

The part I don't really like about bidding directories, that seems to happen with every new 'idea' that comes along, is that tons of folks jump in with exact duplicates and hope to make quick money. I would like to see everyone use at least a bit of creativity when launching a new project.

[centime]

I find that the primary problem with bidding directories is not the gambling fear

All business folk are gamblers

rather , it is trust

And yes, I have a few bid for position directories an am in a quandary, what to do,

I have a developing strategy to deal with the emerging search market, yet, is a bid for position directory a suitable vehicle to include as a component of the strategy ?

I must say that is great to read so many diferent opinions

[SteveNO]

:)The phase of "lets make some $$$ from this" is dieing out quite a bit. This is good for those who are in it for the long term.

From my point of view things have been down in october as has the rest of the market according to several directory owners.

The current craze is to open as many bid directories as possible like this guy here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=4756518 and to accpet free $2 bids, so someone else has to pay $3 to outbid - therefore is gaining money easily.


I assume it can take less than one hour to setup one of these bidding directories. I assume anyone can start these directories and start scamming. This "craze" your talking about, who are they?


sad to see that crap, when its no more than link farming and also throws good operators under the same cloud, but they will be weeded out I'm sure.

As for the question yes our new directory will be a BID MK2 and i have no fears or regrets about it.


Talking can do only so much. Listening is a whole new matter. "No fears or regrets" :rolleyes:

I don't really agree with that because everything in life can be considered a gamble and if you bid for the home page and eventually 'lose' that spot you still have a higher, more visible, advantageous spot on the inside of the directory.


Tell me everything in life that is considered a gamble. Just name a few.


PS. BIDDING FOR A FRONT PAGE SPOT IS A FORM OF GAMBLING :)

[jg123]

Tell me everything in life that is considered a gamble. Just name a few.

What I mean by gambling is everything in life has an element of risk involved. You get married 50%+ change it will end in divorce. You drive your car to work x% chance you will die in a crash, etc...

PS. BIDDING FOR A FRONT PAGE SPOT IS A FORM OF GAMBLING

Allthough you might 'lose' your front page spot you still don't lose all the value of your investment because you maintain a higher rank in the category. This specific debate has entire, lengthy threads dedicated to it so I won't go further on it.

[vicdigi]

Ain't nothing happened to bidding directories - they alive and kicking.

As it happens - UK Bidding Directory (http://www.ukbiddingdirectory.com) was launched just today and UK Bidding Directories (http://www.ukbiddingdirectories.co.uk) launched tomorrow with a whole lot more coming as I am aware.

A while back - I had some doubts about BDs but that's all changed now. See the vision - if you really want to be on the homepage then bid on the homepage - if you want to get listed in a directory, one that performs then bid to get into the directory.

A couple dollars and pounds - is that such a big price to pay?

The reason everybody is going on about bidding directories is because some, and I stress SOME - directories have big bids on them.

[Guardian]

This type of stuff kills me. I see all you guys sit here and continue to state how bidding directories are a waste of time and are going to be extinct or something. Here are several facts for you to look at reguardless of whether or not you appreciate a real bidding directory. There are several of us that have spent thousands of dollars promoting their bidding directory. These are the directories that will continue to be here in the future. This is no different than a regular directory, those that spend money and promote their directory will still be here in the future and those that don't will not be. Bidding directory or other wise.

You continue to say that we bid on these directories are pr chaseres ect. However I could care less about what the pr is on a bidding directory if it sends me traffic and conversions. I have even tested your little theroy.

I have spent several thousand dollars on regular directories, then I have turned around and spent thousands on bidding directories. What is the difference. I receive a ton of more traffic that in turn generates sales, from bidding directories. I receive more traffic from 5 top bidding directories, than I do from 50 top web directories. Bidding directories are about traffic, and ROI. I have a much higher ROI from bidding directories than I do any web directory.

And as far as no true business would enter into a bidding war or be involved in a bidding directory, maybe you actually need to look at a few of the top sites, you will see a ton of real businesses placed on these sites just as regular web directories. Why do they do this, exposure, traffic, ROI, ect. I can go on and on and guess what I will, as I am simply sick and tired of seeing all of this bull continue to pop up.

I own a major web directory as well as a major bidding directory, and they both will be here reguardless of what you say in the future. The long haul.

[choice]

This type of stuff kills me. I see all you guys sit here and continue to state how bidding directories are a waste of time and are going to be extinct or something. Here are several facts for you to look at reguardless of whether or not you appreciate a real bidding directory. There are several of us that have spent thousands of dollars promoting their bidding directory. These are the directories that will continue to be here in the future. This is no different than a regular directory, those that spend money and promote their directory will still be here in the future and those that don't will not be. Bidding directory or other wise.

You continue to say that we bid on these directories are pr chaseres ect. However I could care less about what the pr is on a bidding directory if it sends me traffic and conversions. I have even tested your little theroy.

I have spent several thousand dollars on regular directories, then I have turned around and spent thousands on bidding directories. What is the difference. I receive a ton of more traffic that in turn generates sales, from bidding directories. I receive more traffic from 5 top bidding directories, than I do from 50 top web directories. Bidding directories are about traffic, and ROI. I have a much higher ROI from bidding directories than I do any web directory.

And as far as no true business would enter into a bidding war or be involved in a bidding directory, maybe you actually need to look at a few of the top sites, you will see a ton of real businesses placed on these sites just as regular web directories. Why do they do this, exposure, traffic, ROI, ect. I can go on and on and guess what I will, as I am simply sick and tired of seeing all of this bull continue to pop up.

I own a major web directory as well as a major bidding directory, and they both will be here reguardless of what you say in the future. The long haul.

green for you

totally agree could`nt care less about pr its traffic i want

[The Pheonix]

[QUOTE]I think bid directories will not continue to grow until folks see how google will treat some of the more recent ones. Wisest words you've spoken for a while, if I can give you more green love I will. :)

To me a bid directory is just a regular web directory with the option to bid for a better placement in the categories and home page. I myself was very hesitant about creating a bidding directory and resisted until I had an idea for something a little more unique than most.Let's agree to disagree on this one, I know your view, you all know mine, agreeing to disagree in a polite fashion is the way to go and time will tell what's what.

[The Pheonix]

This type of stuff kills me. I see all you guys sit here and continue to state how bidding directories are a waste of time and are going to be extinct or something. Here are several facts for you to look at reguardless of whether or not you appreciate a real bidding directory. There are several of us that have spent thousands of dollars promoting their bidding directory. These are the directories that will continue to be here in the future. This is no different than a regular directory, those that spend money and promote their directory will still be here in the future and those that don't will not be. Bidding directory or other wise.

You continue to say that we bid on these directories are pr chaseres ect. However I could care less about what the pr is on a bidding directory if it sends me traffic and conversions. I have even tested your little theroy.

I have spent several thousand dollars on regular directories, then I have turned around and spent thousands on bidding directories. What is the difference. I receive a ton of more traffic that in turn generates sales, from bidding directories. I receive more traffic from 5 top bidding directories, than I do from 50 top web directories. Bidding directories are about traffic, and ROI. I have a much higher ROI from bidding directories than I do any web directory.

And as far as no true business would enter into a bidding war or be involved in a bidding directory, maybe you actually need to look at a few of the top sites, you will see a ton of real businesses placed on these sites just as regular web directories. Why do they do this, exposure, traffic, ROI, ect. I can go on and on and guess what I will, as I am simply sick and tired of seeing all of this bull continue to pop up.

I own a major web directory as well as a major bidding directory, and they both will be here reguardless of what you say in the future. The long haul.You have to support statements of FACT with evidence, could you perhaps provide us with some to support your FACTS? I'm especially interested in the 'ton of real business's' who you claim place themselves on these bidding link sellers. I'll even go the extra mile then and contact them to ask them why they felt paying to bid was the way to go, we could perhaps learn something from them. Look forward to your evidence to back up your facts. :)

[mywebsearches]

Hello,

I have been reading this thread and others about this hot issue. So I would like to ask few questions for all of you. But firs let write a comment of what I think about bidding directory.

I can see a successful bidding directory as an addition to a very popular and established site and not as a stand alone.

Now my questions:

What's the oldest bidding directory?

What audience does a general bidding directory bring to advertisers?

My opinion is that if you have directory than it is great investment in terms of traffic and not counting other factors. But for other non directory related sites than is not about traffic as it is for directory related sites. Please correct me if I'm wrong, so far I have not see real statistics or the type of audiences bidding directories have.

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[jg123]

I am a little curious about what kind of traffic bidding directories provide too, I am guessing it is mostly webmaster traffic.

When creating my own bidding directory I wanted to move away from only targeting webmaster traffic so I used the phpld bid script which offers article integration. I also wanted to give other types of business niches a shot at the front page spots so I had it customized to allow top bids per category. With those two unique spins I hope to be able to rank for a wider variety of niche keywords and provide more targeted traffic.

[Guardian]

You have to support statements of FACT with evidence, could you perhaps provide us with some to support your FACTS? I'm especially interested in the 'ton of real business's' who you claim place themselves on these bidding link sellers. I'll even go the extra mile then and contact them to ask them why they felt paying to bid was the way to go, we could perhaps learn something from them. Look forward to your evidence to back up your facts. :)

Why would I go and do your research for you. Take some time yourself, and actually look at some of the sites listed on a few of the major bidding directories. And why would anyone want another kid contacting them asking questions about their marketing strategy. I stated reasons for myself using them and yet you still seem to say how I wasted my time and money and how I could have done so much better spending thousands on other resources. The fact remains, if you actually take the time to do research on bidding directories, you will see that not only do they provide a revelant backlink just as any other web directory on the market, they also provide real traffic which in turn provides real ROI. That fact alone is why anyone would want to place their link on any real quality bidding directory.

I do agree with several on here though. Bidding directories are like any other directory or business. There are real people that provide a real quality service and which really promotes their sites in order, for not only themselves to be successful, but also their clients which are listed on their site to be successful. And then there are those that simply are trying to make a quick buck. But like I said you will find this in any business not just bidding directories.

And I will continue to disagree with anyone that continues to say how big a waste of money it is to be placed on a bidding directory. It is no different than any other directory except it gives you the opportunity to receive higher traffic by placing a higher bid, but only if you chose to do so, regular directories do not give this option. Even if you chose to place the min bid and leave it at that, on a site that is promoted, whether it be a web directory or bidding directory, you receive a quality backlink period. How can I prove this, take a site that is listed on several regular web directories and also listed on several bidding directories. Do a search for yourself, by using the link:www.sitename.com in yahoo, as google does not update their backlinks as often, and see which sites show up first. If you do you will see, the main relevant links first(sites that are directly related to the site and provide a link), then you will see bidding directory links, and web directory links.

[DownUnder]

You have to support statements of FACT with evidence, could you perhaps provide us with some to support your FACTS? I'm especially interested in the 'ton of real business's' who you claim place themselves on these bidding link sellers. I'll even go the extra mile then and contact them to ask them why they felt paying to bid was the way to go, we could perhaps learn something from them. Look forward to your evidence to back up your facts. :)

EDIT not worth the long story, but can i ask a question pheonix, you write in another post a person should supply all details to when supplying services, based on that thinking why wont you supply your directories to have some credit when it comes to advising directory owners ?

[Brian1970]

come on how are times changing

you have the odd one or two running scared and either selling or trying to sell

then you have the others like myself and mikey and more that will keep and continue to grow there bidding directories regardless of what the morons of dp keep saying.

Wasn’t Mikey was trying to sell his only a few weeks back?

Thanks Brian

[The Pheonix]

EDIT not worth the long story, but can i ask a question pheonix, you write in another post a person should supply all details to when supplying services, based on that thinking why wont you supply your directories to have some credit when it comes to advising directory owners ?lmao; diversionary tactics or what! :D I don't want to post my own personal directories here, for several reasons and I'll tell you why.

a. They are new directories in niches' with little or no competition, I have no intetion of posting them here as there would be a million and one wannabe's who would copy my ideas and that would devalue mine. It's called business common sense. Never let the enemy (and all competition is regarded as that metophorically speaking) know what you are doing. Hope that's clear enough for you. (Now that's good advice for you. ;))

Back to Guardian; I never asked anyone to do any research for me? READ MY POSTS. I asked anyone who makes bold statements claiming them to be fact should be prepared to back this up with EVIDENCE of this FACT. you've failed to do this and come back with no evidence to support your case therefore you have no case. I rest my case. Lot's of cases there. :D

Keynote: Never call anything a FACT unless you can SUPPORT that FACT. ;)

[DownUnder]

lmao; diversionary tactics or what! :D I don't want to post my own personal directories here, for several reasons and I'll tell you why.

a. They are new directories in niches' with little or no competition, I have no intetion of posting them here as there would be a million and one wannabe's who would copy my ideas and that would devalue mine. It's called business common sense. Never let the enemy (and all competition is regarded as that metophorically speaking) know what you are doing. Hope that's clear enough for you. (Now that's good advice for you. ;))
;)

LOL your the funniest dood on this forum at times, you try and tell us your the fred astaire of the directory world but when it comes to dancing, you leave your shoes at home in the cuboard, and the best we can get is a wobble on stage. :)

[The Pheonix]

LOL your the funniest dood on this forum at times, you try and tell us your the fred astaire of the directory world but when it comes to dancing, you leave your shoes at home in the cuboard, and the best we can get is a wobble on stage. :)Nope, I'm one of the shrewdest people on the forum. NEVER reveal to anyone what your plans are if by revealing risks you letting competitors take advantage. I dance just fine without competition, no competition means I get to my target audience without any interference, if you think that's bad business practice then you're in need of some lessons my friend. Fred Astair? Who's he and does he have a directory? And have I ever called myself Fred? :D

[DownUnder]

Nope, I'm one of the shrewdest people on the forum. NEVER reveal to anyone what your plans are if by revealing risks you letting competitors take advantage. I dance just fine without competition, no competition means I get to my target audience without any interference, if you think that's bad business practice then you're in need of some lessons my friend. Fred Astair? Who's he and does he have a directory? And have I ever called myself Fred? :D

LOL oh dear, ( honestly had to delete this but my sides hurt wth laughter )

"wipes tears of laughter from eyes" buddy you want to teach me tricks you gotta bring your game to the table, ( sorry laghin to much , so never mind )

[Guardian]

Back to Guardian; I never asked anyone to do any research for me? READ MY POSTS. I asked anyone who makes bold statements claiming them to be fact should be prepared to back this up with EVIDENCE of this FACT. you've failed to do this and come back with no evidence to support your case therefore you have no case. I rest my case. Lot's of cases there. :D

Keynote: Never call anything a FACT unless you can SUPPORT that FACT. ;)[/QUOTE]

Maybe you need to go ask you dad to get you some reading lessons and go back to school and learn how to to so some research before you start trying to bring everyone down with you. The only thing I have seen you do is critise people and their bidding directories. I have yet to see a positive statement from you unless it is reguarding your phpxxxx script. There is alreay tons of proof. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and see it. However you are so caught up by trying to bring everyone else down that you can not see it. And by the way, I never say anything I can not back up. So do a little research and you will see the answers for yourself.

[The Pheonix]

LOL oh dear, ( honestly had to delete this but my sides hurt wth laughter )

"wipes tears of laughter from eyes" buddy you want to teach me tricks you gotta bring your game to the table, ( sorry laghin to much , so never mind )Read my posts, honestly, I have been giving you lessons through the board. Tip one of a GOOD business is to NEVER let on what your up to if its going to affect your business. Trust me on one thing DU, my Dad makes a lot of money by not boasting about what he has or revealing what he does or when he's going to do it. When he buys a property he goes in for the kill before anyone else does, he doesn't go round telling all his business rivals that its up for sale, he buys it and then tells them. Rather than look silly, because you do now, why not be prepared to listen instead of scoff, I'm taught by one of the best there is, I pass on this teaching, its up to you if you want to learn or maybe you think you know it all? I hope that's not the case cos I certainly don't. :)

[The Pheonix]

[QUOTE]The only thing I have seen you do is critise people and their bidding directories. I have yet to see a positive statement from you unless it is reguarding your phpxxxx script. Haven't you ever thought that there is NOTHING postive to say about bidding directories? Jeeze don't you get it!? They're a load of crap and you know it, I hardly ever mention phpLynx so where that come's from I don't know, perhaps someone's pulling your strings with a subtle p.m? :rolleyes:

There is alreay tons of proof. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and see it.Show me then because for the life of me I've not seen one bidding directory worth any value to the real customer, all they are good for or were good for was link buying and selling and making a fast buck.

[DownUnder]

Read my posts, honestly, I have been giving you lessons through the board. Tip one of a GOOD business is to NEVER let on what your up to if its going to affect your business. Trust me on one thing DU, my Dad makes a lot of money by not boasting about what he has or revealing what he does or when he's going to do it. When he buys a property he goes in for the kill before anyone else does, he doesn't go round telling all his business rivals that its up for sale, he buys it and then tells them. Rather than look silly, because you do now, why not be prepared to listen instead of scoff, I'm taught by one of the best there is, I pass on this teaching, its up to you if you want to learn or maybe you think you know it all? I hope that's not the case cos I certainly don't. :)

we wouldnt want to look silly now would we, :) oh dear im in tears again, you should have told me you were this funny.

[The Pheonix]

we wouldnt want to look silly now would we, :) oh dear im in tears again, you should have told me you were this funny.Yep, in this case the jokes on me as I wrongly quote you, sorry about that and thanks for the decency of pointing that out to me via p.m.

Back to business, my real annoyance is with people who try to defend to the hilt thier statements that bidding directories are of any value but don't provide facts to back this up so this thread should have been and is now corrrected to be aimed at Guardian.

"Here are several facts for you to look at reguardless of whether or not you appreciate a real bidding directory. " you never provided them facts, are they ever gonna come?

"There are several of us that have spent thousands of dollars promoting their bidding directory..." They say defence is the best form of attack, in your case its defense by denial. I can see why you are so defensive if you've spent thousands on your bidding link farm, I'd probably be the same, but hey I wouldn't have made that mistake in the first place.

[scoobby]

Okay, granted the question of bidding directories has pretty much been exhausted but I'd like to keep in the loop on events. What is the current state, if any, of bidding directories? Are they still in existence, are they still viable or have they all simply conceded defeat and moved back to real directories? Or are there still people out there who think they are of value regardless of the recent onslaught?

Sorry but why you open a thread and you are talking all the time for something that you think it have no value???????????????????:confused:

[The Pheonix]

Sorry but why you open a thread and you are talking all the time for something that you think it have no value???????????????????:confused:Just because I hold no value to them doesnt mean others don't hence the reason for the question. Quite clearly there are still a few dissillusioned that think the bidding link farm is the way to go, I think otherwise and will argue my case if that's okay by you. :)

[indyguidedotinfo]

i put a different spin on my directory. For all bids over $20 i will give you $10 or a $10 gas card. Thus you are getting a $20 bid for $10. The higher you bid your more cash back you get.

[The Pheonix]

i put a different spin on my directory. For all bids over $20 i will give you $10 or a $10 gas card. Thus you are getting a $20 bid for $10. The higher you bid your more cash back you get.Aw, c'mon, sure to God you don't think people are that thick that they think your doing them a favour? You just as well say you only charge 10 bucks for a link, its an insult to the intelligence of mankind if you think otherwise.

[mauiman]

I'll wager $10 that the 'bidding directories' niche will survive.

Anyone want to outbid my wager?
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P.S. If you wager over 200% of my initial wager I'll rebate you 75% of my original wager in the form of a %50 off coupon at BigGuide.

[DownUnder]

Just because I hold no value to them doesnt mean others don't hence the reason for the question. Quite clearly there are still a few dissillusioned that think the bidding link farm is the way to go, I think otherwise and will argue my case if that's okay by you. :)

Your exactly right, you say you think otherwise, but thinking and knowing are like oil and water.

In addition you have made noise as to providing FACT as to why they will work, the same true holds for the opposite where one could ask for FACT that they wont.

It is also that others think they will work, i am one of them and backing in with my $, but rather than fight or argue i like many will simply book mark this thead then get back to work.

But we will be sure to drop back from time to time to tell you we are still here and doing well.

Pheonix its fine to have your thoughts, as with everyone but just a hint in life, even when something looks impossible or a 100% never say it cant be done, often or not it can be and is done, second it is hard for people to take your words of wisdom if you do not put up supporting evidence and more so share with others, people here are working together but you want to play a loud one man band and not share your lolloies, the others soon learn not to play with you.

You say you have this secret neiche you want to protect, thats fine, one would think with all of your plpxxx experience you could start an open directory where you could share your skills.

Further to that, and i am only a dumb ol timer is all studies have shown that by working as a team and sharing information and customers leads to a bigger and more solid long term profit and customer bases ( all FACTS can be supplied ) and the people who try and hold in information suffer more.

This does not go to say you release secrets your working on as i have not shared my intentions until they go public, but when they do they will be open source, some people may like what i do others may not. In addition i will be promoting all directories in general to the business i sign up pointing them to other good directories, but with your hidden neiches you shall miss out.

As above i will quietly drop back and like many others disclaim your thoughts and not for your sake, it's pointless to worry about what others think as in your case, but as a way this thread can be a positive place for all bid directory to share our ongoing success and work together for the benifit of all directories.

[The Pheonix]

Your exactly right, you say you think otherwise, but thinking and knowing are like oil and water.

In addition you have made noise as to providing FACT as to why they will work, the same true holds for the opposite where one could ask for FACT that they wont.Are you actually getting paid to defend Guardian? It was him I asked to provide supporting evidence to his FACTS that bidding directories are worth anything but you came in and tried to reverse this. Get out of the way of the conversation and leave Guardian speak for himself, he's the one who's 'invested thousands of dollars on a bidding directory'.

I can support my views quite easily, I pretty much already have in my many posts on the argument that bidding is gambling, PERIOD, there's no getting away with that no matter how you try to dress it. Real business's will NEVER fall prey to gambling on whether their link will stay in a high place on a lowly bidding directory that has no presence. I've thrown down the challenge that they won't now its down to the people who disagree to PROVE ME WRONG, It doesn't work the way you've tried it by saying 'no, you go prove it', I threw down the gauntlet, now either you bidding directory supporters put up evidence to support why or simply shut up.

Sorry to be blunt but I'm sick and tired of you lot skirting around answers all the time, your all like politicians, you use your left hand to scratch your right ear!

[DownUnder]

Are you actually getting paid to defend Guardian? It was him I asked to provide supporting evidence to his FACTS that bidding directories are worth anything but you came in and tried to reverse this. Get out of the way of the conversation and leave Guardian speak for himself, he's the one who's 'invested thousands of dollars on a bidding directory'. !

:) I can only smile from ear to ear.

[The Pheonix]

:) I can only smile from ear to ear.It's better for you to smile from ear to ear than come in on a conversation trying to divert from the facts. I think actions speak louder than words in some cases don't you. ;)

[DownUnder]

It's better for you to smile from ear to ear than come in on a conversation trying to divert from the facts. I think actions speak louder than words in some cases don't you. ;)

:)mate all i can say is your one a kind, you are simply the best laughter i have had in years.

[The Pheonix]

:)mate all i can say is your one a kind, you are simply the best laughter i have had in years.Glad I could oblige, always nice to make people laugh, better than making them cry. ;) I'll take your response as shutting up now and wait for guardian if he wants to try and defend his case. :)

[Guardian]

Just to let you know, I don't need anyone to defend me. And yes I did and will continue to spend thousands on my bidding directory just as others have. I am in this for the long haul, and will continue to be here reguardless of little kids such as your self spouting off their mouth.

And you have yet to prove anything reguarding bidding directories.

Also as I stated in my previous post. Learn to read and quit being such a stupid person that trys to twist words. read my post.

This type of stuff kills me. I see all you guys sit here and continue to state how bidding directories are a waste of time and are going to be extinct or something. Here are several facts for you to look at reguardless of whether or not you appreciate a real bidding directory. There are several of us that have spent thousands of dollars promoting their bidding directory. These are the directories that will continue to be here in the future. This is no different than a regular directory, those that spend money and promote their directory will still be here in the future and those that don't will not be. Bidding directory or other wise.

Those are facts reguardless of whether you can open your little eyes or not. And as far as gambling goes. That is a joke. You have yet to actually see that you do not have to try and get the first position. You can simply purchase a link in a bidding directory , just as you can in a regular directory. You will see that not only do they provide a revelant backlink just as any other web directory on the market, they also provide real traffic which in turn provides real ROI. That fact alone is why anyone would want to place their link on any real quality bidding directory.

Also as I stated. Since you are so sure that bidding directories are such a waste. Do as I said to do. Do a search for yourself, by using the link:www.sitename.com in yahoo, as google does not update their backlinks as often, and see which sites show up first. If you do you will see, the main relevant links first(sites that are directly related to the site and provide a link), then you will see bidding directory links, and web directory links. Once you actually take the time to do this for a link on a bidding directory then you will see all this that you keep on running your mouth about that "these directories are worthless", you will see where you are wrong. It is a fact that bidding directories provide exactally what they are made to provide. A good quality link with traffic. Take a look for yourself.

[The Pheonix]

[QUOTE][QUOTE]Just to let you know, I don't need anyone to defend me. And yes I did and will continue to spend thousands on my bidding directory just as others have....

Also as I stated in my previous post. Learn to read and quit being such a stupid person that trys to twist words. read my post.Um, continue to spend thousands? Oooookay, so who's the stupid one, please do remind me. :rolleyes:


Those are facts reguardless of whether you can open your little eyes or not. And as far as gambling goes. That is a joke. You have yet to actually see that you do not have to try and get the first position. You can simply purchase a link in a bidding directory , just as you can in a regular directory. You will see that not only do they provide a revelant backlink just as any other web directory on the market, they also provide real traffic which in turn provides real ROI. That fact alone is why anyone would want to place their link on any real quality bidding directory.Let's take it as FACT that you and perhaps a few others have spent thousands of dollars on bidding directories, (more fool you btw) what other facts have you stated to support the FACT that bidding directories will be here for a long time to come and that they provide any real value? NONE ....READ YOUR TEXT! ROI? LMAO; you crease me, who the F*** in the real world ever visits any other directories other than Yahoo, or DMOZ, the only one's to visit bidding directories are other bidding directory owners or at least that's how it appears to me. I'm open to the the 'Real traffic' to tell me otherwise. :rolleyes: BTW; Let me know if any SEO's or firms that send their clients to these bidding things and I'll avoid them like the plague. Bidding is Gambling end of. As for not being in first place are you plain stupid or just playing at being so as your doing a very good job.

Why do people strive for number one in the SERPS? Come on for goodness sake, you need to look at what your saying here. What you are suggesting is to buy links which is exactly what Google are going after! How stupid can you get.

Also as I stated. Since you are so sure that bidding directories are such a waste. Do as I said to do. Once you actually take the time to do this for a link on a bidding directory then you will see all this that you keep on running your mouth about that "these directories are worthless", you will see where you are wrong. It is a fact that bidding directories provide exactally what they are made to provide. A good quality link with traffic. Take a look for yourself.I'm telling you for a hard fact that at the moment bidding directories are a total waste of time, who on earth would 'Google' for the term 'bidding directory' just to go to find a link somewhere? I'm lost with this concept? I did a search on thousands of different keywords and not one bidding directory came up in the top 100 let alone the top 10 whch is exactly my point.

If I did the same search but looked for standard directories then they often come up in a good SERP, that's the end of my argument. If it ever changes and keywords do throw bidding directories into the melting pot of results I may change my view but until then there's no evidence that they are worth anything of value to anyone.

[Guardian]

I'm telling you for a hard fact that at the moment bidding directories are a total waste of time, who on earth would 'Google' for the term 'bidding directory' just to go to find a link somewhere? I'm lost with this concept? I did a search on thousands of different keywords and not one bidding directory came up in the top 100 let alone the top 10 whch is exactly my point.

If I did the same search but looked for standard directories then they often come up in a good SERP, that's the end of my argument. If it ever changes and keywords do throw bidding directories into the melting pot of results I may change my view but until then there's no evidence that they are worth anything of value to anyone.

Funny how your search and mine come up with different results then huh. If you look at some of the top bidding directories and use the keywords that the site owner that is on that site chose on those directories to target. Then do a search, you will see that not only do regular directories show up, but also bidding directories. Same goes with what I states about checking the backlinks for the sites. That is what is fact, and not your opinion. which is exactally what that is an opinion, and no where close to 2/3 of the rest of the directory community.

[The Pheonix]

Funny how your search and mine come up with different results then huh. If you look at some of the top bidding directories and use the keywords that the site owner that is on that site chose on those directories to target. Then do a search, you will see that not only do regular directories show up, but also bidding directories. Same goes with what I states about checking the backlinks for the sites. That is what is fact, and not your opinion. which is exactally what that is an opinion, and no where close to 2/3 of the rest of the directory community.Say I looked for artists, I would type in 'Artists' now look at the results http://www.google.com/search?q=artists&hl=en&start=10&sa=N normal directories show up pretty good, especially niche ones don't see any bidding directories showing anything which is down to one of three things. A. There aren't any niche Art bidding directories, possibly, B, they don't get listed as its still a new thing, or C, people simply won't post to bidding directories because they are a waste of money if you got to keep paying to keep your listing near the top.

I could show you ten thousand examples like this but one was enough to make my point at the moment. If it does change then that's great for the bidding directory owner (the serious one's of course) but until then I do have a pretty strong argument, or maybe you disagree?

I'm not out to undermine btw, I'm out to prove a point, for people who have invested a small fortune I honestly want you to succeed, I'm not evil to think bad. I just don't like the concept not the owners I have no issues with them. :) Or you for that matter.

[centime]

Is that a valid comparison considering the relative new ness of the bidding directory ?


Only time will tell

[The Pheonix]

Is that a valid comparison considering the relative new ness of the bidding directory ?


Only time will tellOf course its valid, these bidding farms have been around about a year now haven't they? But I do agree with you, time will tell. :)

[DownUnder]

C, people simply won't post to bidding directories because they are a waste of money if you got to keep paying to keep your listing near the top.
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I know i sent a Pm re a bid directory is not gambling, but i would like to prvide FACT to this arguement to lay it to rest and to cover the thoughts above.

OK having spent many years in the gambling scene as a programmer and working with pro gamblers who spend phone numbers i put forward the following.

It seems the only real arguement that a bid directory is a gamble is that " You are not guranteed top position and or any position" and in that this must be gambling.

To look at that to start with, that statement is made up or put forward without it even being a question in the first place.

Not anywhere on any bid directory that i know of does anyone claim that it does offer a guaranteed postion nor do they make mention of it, so where and how the the non guarantee comes into play as an issue i am not sure, and is nothing more than a fabricated smoke screen for those who little on the subject.

But wait there is more

To futher put beyond any doubt that a bid directory id NOT gambling i put forward the following challenge to anyone to answer who insists they are

In that a bid directory does not make claims of guarantees but simply more than often puts forward bid for position as the general concept you then look at the concept.

So lets say currently before i submit there are 10 top listings as below

$100
$90
$80
$70

and so on down to $10

Now i wish to submit my site based on the principle of bid for position as it is correctly stated, and lets say i want to spend $95, this will put me into the number two spot

at this point it not a gamble but a 100% certainty that with my submission i will at that point land in that spot.

For those that want to challenge this please find me one bookmaker any where in the world that would give you a bet / odds on that subscription not landing in that spot

There would not be one who will give you 2/1 odds, 3/1 odds or any odds, why its not a gamble where the outcome will be it a known outcome.

Now as with the system of bid for position, yes some one may come along and bid for a higher position but even that is not a gamble or gambling as it part of the concept where everyone can bid for position.

The only way this concept could become a gamble if that would be if the bid amounts were hidden and you had to guess what to pay for a position, then a bookmaker would probably give you some odds on where you would land.

Like mentioned above for those still insisting its gambling just go and find one bookmaker in the world that will give you odds on it. you simply wont and end of that story, in that if you cant find me a bookmaker to give me odds on my outcome when i submit or raise my bid then i can't place a bet, if i can't place a bet i can't gamble.

Now further to the comments above, once again not personal but in looking at the staement.

In essence "a waste of maney if you have to keep paying", That concept or thought holds little or no water.

We keep paying if we subscribe to other paid directories, but more so to that lets look mainstream.

In a news paper if i want my ad to be prominent i would pay a premium to list my ad on the front page, in TV i would pay a premium to list my ad at 6 o clock when the news run and so on.

But guess what i cant just pay once and have it run forever the business does not work like that, for me to continue to use that prime position i keep paying, there is nothing wrong with that and is what is expected.

The very same principles in theory apply to a bid directory, where people get confused is the less informed try and tell people they are paying for link and will banter that line but it is the only song they know.

For the more informed and the correct application and use of a bid directory is you dont pay for the link when updating your bid and nor has it been stated that you are, you are paying for the exposure in exactly the same way as the television or newspaper.

I can go to many bid directories and click on the most hits, and without fail most top hits relate directly to the top listing in each catagory or in terms those most exposed.

In that they work the same as the paper, an ad on the front page would get more calls than one buried in the back pages for a similar type business.

To further debunk the bid directory bad vibes is these directories ( the good operators, many kids have no idea ), they re invest those $ into heavy promotion probably far exeeding a normal directory, in the same way a paper will promote to increase its circulation.

So when its all broken down a good position in a good bid directory is some of the best money spent online to promote not only directories but any business.

The last pointer i will throw in is that some may think its expensive but lets say i use a good bid directory and each week part of my promotional $ was allocated to that section i might spend $ 10 a week ( or any amount ) its low cost but what happens over time is i rise through the rankings with no real or added pressure that works with my planning.

The end result a very good system that should not be over looked as part of your overall campign.

[The Pheonix]

I know i sent a Pm re a bid directory is not gambling, but i would like to prvide FACT to this arguement to lay it to rest and to cover the thoughts above.Yes you did p.m me, here's exactly what you said. Yours is th bold text.



Quote me:
lol; if your not guaranteed a placed in top spot its a gamble isn't it?
Quote you:
"You are 100% correct in what you say, but neither does it say on any bid directory ( that i know of ) that it does gurantee the top spot"

The same applies to any spot btw; the only time its not a gamble is when you don't lose the place you paid for. No ifs or buts. Crikey its even a gamble in Google whether you keep number one spot with them, but at least you don't have to pay to regain it you can do that by finding out why you lost your serp then working on regaining it.

Look at ANY definition on the planet on bidding and whether its a gamble, go ask a Lawyer or a Businessman an auctioneer, if something is not guaranteed its a flippin Gamble. Jeeze, its like talking to a brick wall. :confused:

[DownUnder]

First, i find it extremly rude to quote a PM, however in that you post is not holding any weight , you replied with that statement i replied you are correct in that you were not gauranteed a spot regardless. I discussed this in my post, the arguement of guaranteeing any spot is not noted in any directory the question itself is null and void. Unless you can point me to any bid directory that staes or makes these claims.

mate i find it funny the lenghts you will go to to, but in that

show me one bookie that will give me odds, not 100 but just one and you can have open source to any bookie on the globe, until that happens i can not bet on the outcome, if i cant bet i cant gamble. you may proceed to waffle on as much as you like but cover this of before snapping crap on these forums.

not in the content of the PM but the mere fact of posting it drops you a few levels in my eyes, a very bad and poor decision, that most people would not stoop as low as that, but alas any arguement you may have had has been dispelled.

and although i have been polite with your rude replies perhaps i can suggest until you can disprove anything i have said you may want to take some of your own advice and give others the chance to reply

very disgusted in your behavior, and please do not tell me you are a professional at anything, you simply have no morrals. and yes on a personal level you are way over the line with your post.

I will refrain from pulling the rest of your posts apart as i have no time for it and will move on and wil chat in regards positve outcomes.

Yes you did p.m me, here's exactly what you said. Yours is th bold text.



The same applies to any spot btw; the only time its not a gamble is when you don't lose the place you paid for. No ifs or buts. Crikey its even a gamble in Google whether you keep number one spot with them, but at least you don't have to pay to regain it you can do that by finding out why you lost your serp then working on regaining it.

Look at ANY definition on the planet on bidding and whether its a gamble, go ask a Lawyer or a Businessman an auctioneer, if something is not guaranteed its a flippin Gamble. Jeeze, its like talking to a brick wall. :confused:

[scoobby]

Say I looked for artists, I would type in 'Artists' now look at the results http://www.google.com/search?q=artists&hl=en&start=10&sa=N normal directories show up pretty good, especially niche ones don't see any bidding directories showing anything which is down to one of three things. A. There aren't any niche Art bidding directories, possibly, B, they don't get listed as its still a new thing, or C, people simply won't post to bidding directories because they are a waste of money if you got to keep paying to keep your listing near the top.

I could show you ten thousand examples like this but one was enough to make my point at the moment. If it does change then that's great for the bidding directory owner (the serious one's of course) but until then I do have a pretty strong argument, or maybe you disagree?

I'm not out to undermine btw, I'm out to prove a point, for people who have invested a small fortune I honestly want you to succeed, I'm not evil to think bad. I just don't like the concept not the owners I have no issues with them. :) Or you for that matter.

so my new (not even 2 months) biding directory come first in g for keywords like:
add link germany http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+germany
add link england http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+england
add link italy http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+italy
europe directory 2nd page in com http://www.google.com/search?q=europe+directory&hl=en&pwst=1&start=10&sa=N
first page in regional g in europe http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enGR220GR220&q=europe+directory
and for many other keywords /terms that should be rank good.
what you have to say about this?
also i have daily visits of 16 SE spiders in this directory but in my other old established sites i have 6 to 10 spiders daily.
G have no problems with biding directories IMO

[The Pheonix]

so my new (not even 2 months) biding directory come first in g for keywords like:
add link germany http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+germany
add link england http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+england
add link italy http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=add+link+italy
europe directory 2nd page in com http://www.google.com/search?q=europe+directory&hl=en&pwst=1&start=10&sa=N
first page in regional g in europe http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enGR220GR220&q=europe+directory
and for many other keywords /terms that should be rank good.
what you have to say about this?
also i have daily visits of 16 SE spiders in this directory but in my other old established sites i have 6 to 10 spiders daily.
G have no problems with biding directories IMOLOL; Sorry but I find it quite hilarious here. Tell me who on earth is going to search add link germany (All your examples are the same BTW)? Talk REAL terms, German directories, german directory listings, etc, are you in any of those 'REAL WORLD' type keywords? I doubt it, but if you are great, it shows that Google don't mind them which to me is fantastic, I still wouldn't touch them with a barge pole but hey that's my preference. :)

Do some REAL WORD keyword searches like I did, not stupid ones like you chose, apart from bidding directory owners or PR chasers (and I don't think even they would type in the selection you did?) then come back to me with results. Sorry, nice try but still not convinced.

@Downunder;Don't say one thing in p.m and then another in open forum totally disputing what you conceded to then as it makes me out to be a liar when its you who reversed on your words.

Point of fact is bidding is gambling, END OF. I really think we need to move on with this one as your not going to change your mind and I'm most certainly not going to change mine, if I do the dictionaries of this world would all have to change the definition of Gambling. :rolleyes:

[scoobby]

u didnt notice this??? !EUROPE DIRECTORY!rank for also this keyphrase
also u didnt notice the spiders and the daily visit???
r u in denial or u see some friend of yours or a guy that was cooperate with you making money from this story of bidding directories and u r trying to hurt him???
eitherway i dont care.i have to sugest u the following:
I dare you to tell me a KEYPHRASE related to my directory and if i rank in first page in Google you will go and add a revelant site to my directory for this keyphrase and pay for it. r u in??????
lets see...
u want german directories? i believe in 1 week or mostly one month i will rank in first pages of G.

[DownUnder]

@Downunder;Don't say one thing in p.m and then another in open forum totally disputing what you conceded to then as it makes me out to be a liar when its you who reversed on your words.
:rolleyes:

Can you point to me where i called you a liar ? can you show me what i conceeded to ? can you show me where i reversed my words ?

Now i am guessing not only with you mis using a function on this forum you intend saving face.

So lets see i wrote to you quietly stating why a bid directory was not gambling, you replied back ( as everyone has seen ) nd i replied you are correct 100% with your reply

It does not guarantee a 100% top spot or any spot if you want to add, and your statement at the end said so it must be gambling

now if you read the last part as also agreeing with that fact after i had told you why it wasnt thats fine , but id guess most people can see what was ment and your once again manipultion of everything around you.

Champ, ( never mind lets say its not positive ) your respect in my eyes has dropped to below 0, it is people like you who spoil this forum for all.

[jg123]

Arguing about wether or not a bid directory is 'gambling' is an impossible arguement to win for either side because what you really end up arguing about is the definition of gambling. Many would say if there is any 'risk' involved in the outcome that makes it gambling and others argue you must be at risk of losing your entire investment or bet. No one will ever win this debate.

[The Pheonix]

Arguing about wether or not a bid directory is 'gambling' is an impossible arguement to win for either side because what you really end up arguing about is the definition of gambling. Many would say if there is any 'risk' involved in the outcome that makes it gambling and others argue you must be at risk of losing your entire investment or bet. No one will ever win this debate.Which is why I posted I really think we need to move on with this one as your not going to change your mind and I'm most certainly not going to change mine

@Scoobby;I didn't see Europe directories to be honest with you but I would again say who is going to type in Europe directories? Although your point is taken that now you seem to be getting somewhere even if it bad grammer, a normal person would type european directories but that's me being picky and English. I'll take you up on your challenge, see if you can get Car Dealers in Europe listed in your bidding directory, you do that in the time you suggest you can and in a good serps I'll happily place a listing in your link farm. :)

[DownUnder]

I really think we need to move on with this one as your not going to change your mind and I'm most certainly not going to change mine

we can agree on that but one question please, can you just quietly point to where i called you a liar ?

you don't call me than walk away with a statement like that.

[scoobby]

Which is why I posted

@Scoobby;I didn't see Europe directories to be honest with you but I would again say who is going to type in Europe directories? Although your point is taken that now you seem to be getting somewhere even if it bad grammer, a normal person would type european directories but that's me being picky and English. I'll take you up on your challenge, see if you can get Car Dealers in Europe listed in your bidding directory, you do that in the time you suggest you can and in a good serps I'll happily place a listing in your link farm. :)

please specify something that my directory represents...i cant optimize a page of my directory for something is not related and not going to help any one that will be searching in g for that keyphrase.
or you sugest a single link in my directory get to the first page of G for a kephrase with 19,400,000??that will be difficult for sure!and it wont cost anyone 1$ that i am asking at least.u know the 1$ is almost nothing and with that we protect all these spamers and crazy and weird submissions that represent the 90% of free directories.


What do u say to optimize a page for the keyword link farm that u mention above:rolleyes:

[The Pheonix]

please specify something that my directory represents...i cant optimize a page of my directory for something is not related and not going to help any one that will be searching in g for that keyphrase.
or you sugest a single link in my directory get to the first page of G for a kephrase with 19,400,000??that will be difficult for sure!and it wont cost anyone 1$ that i am asking at least.u know the 1$ is almost nothing and with that we protect all these spamers and crazy and weird submissions that represent the 90% of free directories.


What do u say to optimize a page for the keyword link farm that u mention above:rolleyes:So you claim there is no difference between a normal directory and a bidding directory, but when I suggest a quite legitimate listing I'd expect to find in a standard directory you tell me that your directory doesnt represent it? A good directory should in theory be able to rank highly for ANY keywords or categories shouldn't it?
You boasted about Europe directory as a keyphrase, it has this result Results 21 - 30 of about 105,000,000 for EUROPE DIRECTORY. (0.08 seconds)
My challenge to you was far easier than this?

[DownUnder]

?

Pheonix, please do not ignore my post and answer it please, you have not only disrespected all forum / internet rules you have called on a public forum that i have called you a liar ?

I need you to justify these claims or appologise not walk away from them.

[The Pheonix]

Pheonix, please do not ignore my post and answer it please, you have not only disrespected all forum / internet rules you have called on a public forum that i have called you a liar ?

I need you to justify these claims or appologise not walk away from them.just to keep you happy downunder. :rolleyes: you send me a p.m saying you agree 100% that bidding IS gambling, then you come back on to open forum giving war and peace where you now say it isn't! READ text, you'll see that I never said you actually called me a liar....

"...Don't say one thing in p.m and then another in open forum totally disputing what you conceded to then as it makes me out to be a liar"...

Your contradiction fom 100% agreement inferred I was, that was the point I was making. As for tearing my posts apart, now I am intimidated.

Rule one, never try to change the definition of a FACT, they can't be changed. You and others say it's me that's twisting things? huh, where do you get that from. Bidding = Gambling, FACT, I haven't twisted anything YOU HAVE trying to say it isn't using rediculous scenarious, we're not bookies here wer'e talking about directories. :rolleyes:

[DownUnder]

just to keep you happy downunder. :rolleyes: you send me a p.m saying you agree 100% that bidding IS gambling, then you come back on to open forum giving war and peace where you now say it isn't! READ text, you'll see that I never said you actually called me a liar....

"...Don't say one thing in p.m and then another in open forum totally disputing what you conceded to then as it makes me out to be a liar"...

Your contradiction fom 100% agreement inferred I was, that was the point I was making. As for tearing my posts apart, now I am intimidated.

Rule one, never try to change the definition of a FACT, they can't be changed. You and others say it's me that's twisting things? huh, where do you get that from. Bidding = Gambling, FACT, I haven't twisted anything YOU HAVE trying to say it isn't using rediculous scenarious, we're not bookies here wer'e talking about directories. :rolleyes:

OK pheonix that is your best response, and once again you seem to be confusing the issues.

So i will be real clear with you, you have taken a part pm to you that did not indicate you were correct that it was gambling the statement you wish to take out of context is one 100% agreeing with you in regard to you are not guranteed a position. you have added the rest of the comment now to suit your twisted and deceptive words.

as i continued to state in that post that no bid directory uses those terms nor are promoted in that way, now how you seem to be inclined to think, twist or manipulate i am not sure.

second to that i still see no where where i called you a liar, the post i made had no reference to people and or you, but you replied in the worst way possible.

So lets see from posts you are here to expose the flaws with bid directories amongst other things in general terms from your posts. please correct me if i am wrong

the main focus of those flaws in your eyes are that a bid directory is gambling and that you are not guarnteed a top and or any position. once again please correct me if i am wrong.

I then quietly sent you an pm explaining why it was not gambling, some thing i did not hide in my post as i had no secrets. feel free to correct me again

i replied to a section of your post covering your quote regarding the topic of people wasting thier money because you had to keep paying please correct me if am wrong

now up until this point everything is good, the great pheonix was having his say to save the world from bidding directories.

But as soon as some one posts valid and concrete arguement that dispells all of the scare mongering you break into a personl and unprofessional attack as some last ditch efort to justify your purpose and well being.

Please note my post was honest up front and attacked the issues and directed at people, a skill you seem to lack

So lets look again in breif, your first part to your claim to fame is you are not guaranteed a spot.

and this is the part where you broke all forum / internet unwritten laws, not because of what you posted i am not concerned with that, but the fact or the principle of what you done. and i will cover this of shortly

I explained in the post that supporting the arguement of it does not guarantee a top spot is bogus and fabricated and simply used by scare mongerers, and to support this i have asked simply for you or anyone to show me any directory who states you will be guanteed a spot, you simply wont, nor do they pertain to do so, they are a bid for position type function

This dispells myth number 1, and i await you to disprove this myth or perhaps you may like to provide a new twist on your line, once again i may be wrong with your line and if so clearly state it is that you wish to put forward.

Second and main part of your fabricated scare mongering is that its gambling, and once again in my post i made no reference to you but chose to speak on the topic and provide fact.

the facts are simple in that if a can not place a bet on the outcome then how can i gamble.

Now regardless of who you need to ask was it the laywer account , hell throw in the butcher, baker and candle stick maker as well, ask them this if i cant place a bet on an outcome is it gambling ?

I have asked you to find me one bookie who will take a bet on that outcome and simple facts are you will not

SO where does that leave us? well you use term gamble in a sense or portrayed as gammbling with money, but as soon as i want to use money to gamble on it i cant

So now you use this is gamble in its improper form and at best used in a similar way in terms like if you start a business its a gamble, if you fly in a plane its a gamble and many other variants.

this really does squash any real efforts by you to go down that path but once again i am sure you will twist these words. in a last ditch effort to discredit the bid directory, but why a general, neiche or any other directory is not your target i am not sure.

Now in your desire to continue with your war on bid directories you made a fatal error, and in that you broke all grounds of internets unwriiten rules, and then continued with your only source and that was a public attack on a person and not the issue.

In doing so you claimed that i called you a liar, your last confusing post seems to try and waffle out of this exercise but like many of your posts it was once again jibberish rubbish. that you can freely continue to peddle for those that see any merit in your posts.

Now i will write this part slowly for you, so please take the time to digest it.

By commiting to and partaking in one othe internets sins you have shown your true characture, you morrals, your business ethic and your actions have shown me that you have none of these qualities.

and in that you made some last ditch wild accustations in regards myself.

At that point i asked myself what the, i am here to help learn and enjoy i do not need this crap, but no this business means a lot to me and i plan to share and enjoy and people like you will not deter me.

I am very glad you made a post about peoples ethics and beig open about who they are because your details your work and any company you represent need to be flagged as questionable to say the very least, and i must ask myself why would i let myself become involved with people who act in such a manner and run risk or ruin by even being involved with them, and quite simply i wont be.

Further to the stupid nonbased attack on bid directories where you can not answer basic questions put forward with resorting to personally attacking people, using me as your scape goat, so here is some news for you.

In attacking me personally you have crossed the line on a personal and business level

Our company ( yes fully registered and listed company ) has been built over many years, my personal sales stretch back 30 years , in that time i still have my first customers, i have very personal high levels of trust, i have never stood on any one, never told crap to a customer, never sold a dodgey product, and in that my personal view is that my word, honestly and genuine hard work are the keys and the backbone and are worth more than any money can buy.

But you cheaply seem that you can get on an internet and falsy accuse me of something that is core to me is a joke that i will let you walk away with or tread all over me and my company.

we have over many years a very large group of large companies that work with us in many areas and this stands on a local and international scale.

As mentioned you do not attack the foundations that myself or my company with a few random words blown out of your backside.

Further to that in accordance with your being open policy, i will be submitting your information to our internal system shared by all companies and my stance is simple and it will be to look out for anything you are involved with or touch as i have no intentions of ever dealing with people who have no business ethics.

You are welcome to continue this debate at your own expence but please be advised of a few things, 1. i will never stoop as low as you as to disrespect internet rules and second and most important in making those claims and offering the weak excuse you did in thinking you were playing with school boys, please be aware i will not tolerate any more crap coming my way from you and i wont be laughin about any of it.

please ask your dad about ethics morrals trust and associated subjects in business and thier importance. but then you already know everything don't you.

[scoobby]

So you claim there is no difference between a normal directory and a bidding directory, but when I suggest a quite legitimate listing I'd expect to find in a standard directory you tell me that your directory doesnt represent it? A good directory should in theory be able to rank highly for ANY keywords or categories shouldn't it?
You boasted about Europe directory as a keyphrase, it has this result Results 21 - 30 of about 105,000,000 for EUROPE DIRECTORY. (0.08 seconds)
My challenge to you was far easier than this?

ok i will acept the chalenge and we see what is going to come for it.allthought it will be very dificult a single link reach the top ten spots that normal and optimized for this keyword sites batling...so i will give it a try....:cool:
i even linked this thread on the link so if this page ranks for Car Dealers in Europe will be the same ;) yes i am speaking about the Keyphrase CAR DEALERS IN EUROPE

[The Pheonix]

ok i will acept the chalenge and we see what is going to come for it.allthought it will be very dificult a single link reach the top ten spots that normal and optimized for this keyword sites batling...so i will give it a try....:cool:
i even linked this thread on the link so if this page ranks for Car Dealers in Europe will be the same ;) yes i am speaking about the Keyphrase CAR DEALERS IN EUROPEGot to give you rep for just trying, but it has to be YOUR directory NOT this forum, good luck. :)