Redneck's determine election!

[anthonycea]

I love my guns, my pickup truck, likes to eat rattlesnake and love country music.

If I ain't got no good Harvard education or anythang like that, but I do have my commander and chef guidin me.

I shou did vote, I fixin to crack me a 12 pack and watch some racin cus my man just won the election.

Uncle Jed, got them ther ham hocks ready, I sho is hungry.

[Weirfire]

Is that George Bush back in then? :)

[schlottke]

Basicially is a lock at this point- Yes.

[Weirfire]

Last time I checked he had 269 with 48 votes still to come in.

[anthonycea]

Jethro voted for him and so did Uncle Jed, that John Kerry ain't taking my guns, I don't care if I gota pay $5.00 a gallon for gas.

Nobody taking my guns for me buddy......

[schlottke]

Yep, it still is at that. From what I've looked at, it does vary quite a bit... CNN.com is 254-252 Bush, FoxNews(ofcourse) is 269-242...

If it plays out how it should, Bush should control Ohio, which will be enough to win. Obviously anything can happen, and I really could see the Bush camp doing something bone headed like, Claiming Victory (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137407,00.html).. and have it be another Truman/Dewy... lol

[anthonycea]

Jethro did what he was told, Preacher John told me to vote for Mr. Bush and I damned well did cracker.

The preacher told me that we gona keep our land ain't nobody gona beat us in this war on terror buddy, noboady....

[yfs1]

Jethro voted for him and so did Uncle Jed, that John Kerry ain't taking my guns, I don't care if I gota pay $5.00 a gallon for gas.

Nobody taking my guns for me buddy......

I had to check in just to see you squirm. By the way, outside of the US we have been paying the equivalent of $4.90 a gallon for a long time. Its about time the US caught up.

[anthonycea]

Glad you came back.

Got a hog rollin on the spit, want some, go head and get a plate full, it's done.

We havin a party, gona shoot our shotguns off, that John Kerry will never take my guns buddy....

Come on in, take your shoes off.. :)

[Weirfire]

Is it true you might not get the Ohio results for another 2 weeks?

[anthonycea]

http://www1.cnn.com/


Uncle Jed told me to have you find out from some smart folks above Weirfire :)

This country is doomed as college students in Ohio had to wait for over 12 hours just to vote.

There is something wrong with the process Vern :mad:

[mopacfan]

Anthony, you're the best "reality pc" I've ever seen. You should call Mark Burnett, you and Mark would hit it off well together :)

[anthonycea]

I am waiting for him and Mike Moore to contact me, for 10 Million I will write for them. :p :) ;)

[mopacfan]

I'd say that's a bargain at twice the price :p

[anthonycea]

Jethro feel safe with Bush as President, as long as that destruction is over in Iraq and not here in the hills it don't have no effect on me and Uncle Jed.

We getin as much possoums as ever, plus wez hiding our youngins from the draft board up in the hills, never sent them to public school so nobody can draft my babies..... :) :D ;)

Did ya all see the photo of us goin to vote for Bush, damn me and Granny gon to get some moonshine right now, sheezamm, yeee haww...

Damned Europeans might not like it, but we got our man Bush in there again.

[lorien1973]

Here is the basic problem with the democrat presidential strategy. Dems concede all of the south (save Florida - which is in play cuz of relocated northerners mainly) and the mountain time zone. That is about 170 electoral votes in total. In order to win the presidency, they have to win 70%+ of the remaining EV's to get a president in office. That is a major undertaking. conversly, republicans only have to manage a few wins (FL, OH, and a few other random states) and they win the whitehouse. It'll be even easier in years to come. People are leaving the west and NE and moving to the south; so the southern states are gaining EV's every census. Until the dems make inroads in the south, winning nationally is going to get very rough in the near future.

[anthonycea]

We only gots one issue in Dixie, no body gona take our guns from us.

Not no Yankee like John Kerry gona get our guns :mad: ;) :D

[lorien1973]

Yeah...denegrating 1/2 the country isn't a very good start ;)

[anthonycea]

Granny don't feel safe with a Yankee as President, she told me to vote for Bush and to Get Gomer and Buford to quit drinkin long enough to vote for him too :p ;) :)

[mopacfan]

Here is the basic problem with the democrat presidential strategy. Dems concede all of the south (save Florida - which is in play cuz of relocated northerners mainly) and the mountain time zone. That is about 170 electoral votes in total. In order to win the presidency, they have to win 70%+ of the remaining EV's to get a president in office. That is a major undertaking. conversly, republicans only have to manage a few wins (FL, OH, and a few other random states) and they win the whitehouse. It'll be even easier in years to come. People are leaving the west and NE and moving to the south; so the southern states are gaining EV's every census. Until the dems make inroads in the south, winning nationally is going to get very rough in the near future.
The irony is that the south is where the dems came from. Starting with the KKK and the "southern democrats". I find it fascinating that democrats are the biggest and loudest racists and bigots by far.

As when it comes to healing the division in this country, you can pretty well 'fugeddaboutit'. It's just too deep and too wide. The campaigns don't help the cause either. Now we just have to look forward to hillary in '08. If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will.

(ok Anthony, you can make your next post)

[anthonycea]

Us Southern folk just don't want no woman like Hillary, we like John Edwards better.

But ain't no one gona take our guns away, Uncle Jed told me, in fact Dick and George said they gona give us some more real big guns and send us on a boat trip so we can drive some oil tankers.

YEE HAWWWW :) :D

[lorien1973]

True. Democrats have the only ex-KKK member in the senate. They are also the only party with an admitted communist in the house too.

Hillary isn't a lock to run in '08. If Guiliani runs for senate in NY on 06 and wins; Hillary is done. If hillary does run in '08; I think the anti-hillary vote will be so high it'll suffocate her chances of winning. McCain (UGH) or Guiliani will probably run for the GOP in '08.

Anthony needs to cool off; so me 'n' Jethro are gonna throw him in the seeement pond.

[anthonycea]

Jethro gona tell you right now why me and my kin folk vote for Republicans.

We can't let them Yankees and them Blacks get into power cus we need to keep our race pure and keep our guns.

Us white men can't let them women get any power either, ain't now woman gona tell me how to live, just granny :D :) ;)

[digitalpoint]

I wish California would secede from the union, at least for the next four years.

Our one state is the 5th largest economy in the world, and we have huge computer, military, agriculture and biotech industries.

We get Qualcomm, Apple computer, Google, Oracle, Sun Microsystems and everything else in silicon valley. We also get massive defense contractors.

[anthonycea]

Can't do that boss man, Aronold say, FOR MOOORE YEAOOS :rolleyes:

[mopacfan]

I wish California would secede from the union, at least for the next four years.

Our one state is the 5th largest economy in the world, and we have huge computer, military, agriculture and biotech industries.

We get Qualcomm, Apple computer, Google, Oracle, Sun Microsystems and everything else in silicon valley. We also get massive defense contractors.
Your state is also the hardest to understand. I have a hard time understanding why people would vote for the stem cell propostion. Using tax payer's money for private research which is 'regulated' by the very insiders benefiting from the windfall, it just doesn't make sense to me. I'd 'get it' if all of the profits went back to the state. Maybe you can explain it to me so that it makes sense.

[melaniejk]

Even if John Kerry losses I am happy that he has decided to get every vote counted. After the last election fiasco, I would like to see everyone's vote counted even if it takes weeks to determine the final count.

It makes me sick to think of four more years with Bush.

I'm praying for a miracle.

[T0PS3O]

It doesn't make sense how they can count x million in one night and then need a week for the remaining 170,000 ...

Melanie is right IMO, every vote should be counted. How can you say 'every vote counts' or motivate people to vote next time if they don't even bother counting?!

[mopacfan]

I'm praying for a miracle.
Kerry is not a miracle, he's a disaster. Have you actually reviewed his voting record? No matter what he has said, his record is proof of who he really is. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bush either. But Kerry is the worst thing that could happen us.

[anthonycea]

The problem with America is the election and voting process itself, when new voters have to stand in line for 12 hours just to vote that is fraud.

The Republicans have taken advantage of this in the last two elections, keeping the poor and the young away from the polls.

The entire process is flawed and there are no equal rights in this nation, especially for the poor.

We need to move to a popular vote and an online election process, dumping the electoral college vote process.

[melaniejk]

Of course, I totally disagree with you mopacfan.
Yes, I am aware of both the canidates records. And, Bush's scares the hell out of me.
Bush is leading our country down the wrong path. I do believe that he does care about the United States and it's people. But, I disagree with the republicans on almost all issues.

Yes, I'm an educated liberal from the northeast.
I have lived down south and found it to be a very different way of life, and way of thinking. It's amazing that with such strong differences we remain a strong, united country. Though, I do think it usually helps us as a country to balance out the extremes.

[yfs1]

Is it true you might not get the Ohio results for another 2 weeks?

They wont be certified for another 10 days but Kerry is conceding to Bush at 1pm est because even if the provisional votes were 100% for Kerry (by definition most will be ruled invalid because they are mostly people who never registered to vote) it wouldnt be enough:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041103/D864G8201.html


Sorry to interupt Anthony - You can go back to insulting anyone who isn't you

[anthonycea]

Don't worry, it is everyone's forum :) Jethro Still Loves you man :D

[mopacfan]

So you're ok with Kerry selling out the military and the men he 'fought' with to the North Vietnamese government (http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41142)? You're ok with him voting against each and every military appropriation since he's been in Congress? You're ok with him constantly criticising the current military, the men and women that are keeping us and the US safe? You're ok with someone who has no opinion of his own, whos opinion is whatever the polls show they should be?

[melaniejk]

I think the time needed to wait on line to vote was a big turnoff for a lot of new young voters. In my county, there were people who had to wait four hours to vote. And, they had to wait outside in the cold. I think a lot of voters turned around and went home when they saw the long wait. It was great to see so many wait it out. But, I noticed they were mostly older.

You ever notice that there is never problems with our bank ATMs. I wish the states would all just set up ATM as voting machines. I never heard of an ATM missing a withdrawal. :) Most people know how to use them. Each state makes it's own decision so a national voting system will probably never happen.

I agree that the popular and electoral vote system isn't great. But, it's the way it's set up so I wouldn't want to change it. However, if I was setting up a new democracy anywhere I would not use an electoral college in the process.

Well, I guess I've vented enough on the subject. I'm a bit tired. I was watching the returns until 3am.

Have a good day everyone.

[anthonycea]

So you're ok with Kerry selling out the military and the men he 'fought' with to the You're ok with him voting against each and every military appropriation since he's been in Congress? You're ok with him constantly criticising the current military, the men and women that are keeping us and the US safe? You're ok with someone who has no opinion of his own, whos opinion is whatever the polls show they should be?


That is a bunch of classic Republican propaganda, Mopacfan, if you were around in the 70's you would have known that WE ALL were hippie rebels against the war.

So you really fell hook line and sinker for the war monger killer propaganda.

If you go back and look at what happened to our men who went through the Vietnam war (go back and look at some of the photos), they became serial killers and did it for fun. Even killing babies and women, most of them are now insane or dead, so don't tell us how great war is.

Especially unnecessary wars like the one in Iraq that Bush Senior should have won the first time around. Vietnam was a war we LOST, we will not WIN anything in IRAQ.

Get real man and learn a bit about history and don't believe Republican lies that keep the American people brainwashed and enslaved to the rich thieves and so-called ruling class Republicans.

You are all fooled, believe me, any who support Bush are fooled and will never be better for it.

Don't think you are protected by men that really do not want to serve the oil mafia any longer.

None of our guys really believes in the oil war, the soldiers have the same attitude you claim that John Kerry had on the Vietnam war.

They DO NOT want to be there, would you call them bad soldiers also because they do not feel it is a just war and do not want to see their fellow soldiers killed for no reason other than to secure oil fields for Halliburton?

[mopacfan]

I think the simple fact that the Military voted overwhelmingly for Bush is all that one needs to know who should be the comander in chief. No conspiracy here.

[greggy]

I ma just pissed off by the results. He is now ready to wreck America for he is not intending to come back, hence will do what pleases him most. I wish Kerry won :mad:

[Such Great Heights]

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bush either. But Kerry is the worst thing that could happen us.
If Kerry is the worst thing that could happen to us, Bush is the worst thing that did happen to us.

I don't want either of them in office, but it's just soo bad now.

I wish California would secede from the union, at least for the next four years.

I agree. :)
Where's our big earthquake that seperates CA from the rest of North America?

[mopacfan]

You're obviously pissed off enough to get you post for the first time :) Welcome to the forum.

[anthonycea]

Yeah, and you are trying to piss me off Mopacfan :) ;) :confused:

[minstrel]

I wish California would secede from the union
Canada would be willing to do a deal with you here: We'll take California (well, not Arnold of course) and annex it to British Columbia (half the California hippies are living in Vancouver already anyway) if the US will agree to take Quebec and annex it to New York State.

[NewComputer]

Canada would be willing to do a deal with you here: We'll take California (well, not Arnold of course) and annex it to British Columbia (half the California hippies are living in Vancouver already anyway) if the US will agree to take Quebec and annex it to New York State.

One of the best posts I have ever read here Minstrel. Sorry to see Bush back in....

As cool as your country is in some respects, your politics are worse than ours and that is hard to do.

[mopacfan]

Yeah, and you are trying to piss me off Mopacfan
I was speaking to GREGGY :) :p Why would I waste my time on you :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

I would fit in up in Vancouver Minstrel, I could make hippie movies. :)

Plus I would be close to NC's house where I could take a bath once a month and shave, his old lady could make me a hot meal then NC could send me on my way back to the mean streets.

Be just like living with Mom and Dad again.

Oh, how I long for the old days and ways ;)

NC, you could be Dad, can you say Idiot, or at least yell it out real loud like Dad used to? :cool:

[SEbasic]

Commiserations to those who voted for the sensible guy.

Today is a sad day...

Congratulations to those that voted for the moron.

[Such Great Heights]

One of the best posts I have ever read here Minstrel. Sorry to see Bush back in....

As cool as your country is in some respects, your politics are worse than ours and that is hard to do.
Anyone know about New Zealand's politics and how they feel about their current situation?

I'm still holding on for hope that Kerry gets Ohio by a hair. Even if he did all ready give up. Quiter!

Shawn, I noticed that the majority in San Diego County, and even more in Orange County voted for Bush. At least Los Angeles County got Kerry.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/CA/P/00/index.html

[digitalpoint]

Yep... Personally I don't like Bush *or* Kerry, I just like Bush less than Kerry.

John McCain would have been my pick... and I think he would have gotten the Democratic bid if he didn't loose his mind one day. :)

[mopacfan]

Commiserations to those who voted for the sensible guy.

Today is a sad day...

Congratulations to those that voted for the moron.
Sensible Guy: Bush
Monon: Kerry

I'm sure that's what you meant. :D

[anthonycea]

If it was not for Jethro and the Clan, Bush would not have a job, the Republicans use the unwashed to hide their oil money extracting and war mongering policy and the so-called good church going killers vote for them also.

Funny how us dumb folk are fooled real easy, just tell us those Yankee's gona take our guns and we vote against em :cool:

[lowrider14044]

I stay out of political discussions most of the time but I couldn't resist. :) Personally I don't like Bush or Kerry. I consider myself a true independent and vote for who I think will do the best job, regardless or party affiliation. At least to the extent that I don't feel like I'm throwing my vote away. No one knows what the next 4 years will bring. We can only wait and pray and hope for the best. The main thing I'm glad of is that we didn't have a replay of 2000 and have to wait until next year to find out who won.

[david_sakh]

at least kerry took it like a man - at least that was the outward impression when I saw the large part of his speech today. Oh well.

[debunked]

Hello

I am here so shoot away with yer guns Anthony - I always knew you were a redneck racist. The only gun I saw in the last day was the picture of the false prophet Moore with a camera on one shoulder and a rifle on the other. Probably to shoot anyone who exposed his lies. LOL - even on the movie cover it talks about being a comedy and some of you took him seriously???!!!?!?!?!?

BTW - The military is for Bush and totally scared of a Kerry - Just asks some of the military.

Also, life goes on so don't get too depressed, just start now to get your Rodham in power next term.

[anthonycea]

Yeah, your right Debunked, Bush and his dad never made a dirty oil deal with the Saudi's

[debunked]

Anthony - you have been so funny lately- all this comedy should be saved for the stage and then you might make some money.

(if you weren't being funny, then some facts please - not links to links to links, but facts.)

What is up with the job, you didn't call in sick today did you. I really am not a mean person, I really do hope you the best with your job and your business. I feel that no matter who is in power you have choices and opportunities and if you let someone tell you otherwise then you are being played a fool. There are opportunities everywhere, sometimes in places unexpected. You have talents and you have desires - put the 2 together and come up with something. Or if you are really desiring to get political - find something you can get paid to do and do it.

[Trance-formation]

Commiserations to those who voted for the sensible guy.

Today is a sad day...

Congratulations to those that voted for the moron.

Do you really think it makes a difference in the bigger picture? Internal policy may change to a degree with a change in administration... some will be better off, some worse, more money in education, less in health, taxes, etc and the direction they want to go in is determined by the population, one way or the other... but in terms of international policy, I don't believe that any government in the western world makes their own policy, when they are beholden to multinational corporations whose interests lie outside those of individuals and countries. We're no better here, where our choices are effectively for a right wing government and a more right wing government... (I leave it to you to decide which is which)
http://www.adamsargant.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/nestle.gif

[anthonycea]

Ok Debunked, I am funny once in a great while. But what I have seen from some of your posts gives me pause, when I ponder if you are really serious about some of your out of this world positions.

Now that makes Jethro and Uncle Jed really laugh ;) :) :D

[debunked]

? what out of this world position?

[anthonycea]

Go back and read all of your past posts in a couple years time, it will become clear to you my son..... :)

[debunked]

you still won't answer a question - give me one.... please?

nevermind you won't find one.

Off to enjoy my day - working. Someday I hope to not 'have to' work, but choose to when I want to. That would be nice but kids are expensive.
I figure it may be cheaper to buy a college than send all 6 to one.....

Maybe send them to the netherlands for college it is much cheaper.

[Las Vegas Homes]

I am sad to say I am from the south. I am also sad to say I live in Nevada as well. Here in Nevada we have the nuclear waste dump that Bush signed to open in Yucca Mountain in 2010. These people here have no clue as to what this is going to do to their homes when the first piece of nuclear waste is brought here.

In other parts of the country it is great to have values and morals, but those dont put food on the table and create jobs. If there are no jobs to be had and big business is taking their jobs outside the US, who pays taxes. If no taxes are paid, where does the funding for education, social security, and the welfare and food stamps everyone is going to be on, how is it paid for.

At least though those that voted for Bush will have a President that they believe holds the same values and morals as they do, but they may be wondering where their next meal is coming from.

As for myself I have the financial postion and this will not affect myself or my family but there are many others in the US it will. The people that will pay for this Presidents mistakes will not be us really, it will be our kids and their kids paying for the hugh deficit that President Bush has created and will continue to create, while he is getting richer from the suffering of the average American public.

[anthonycea]

First off, the Republican party has always been a party of exclusion, exclude the poor.

The Republican party is the party for Fat Rich Men, not the working man or the average man or woman.

Those that support Republican policies that earn under $30,000.00 a year are fooled by false doctrines they think Republicans believe in.

They do not care for family values or they would not rob families of the ability to earn wages and benefits.

They are the union busting party of the rich Businessmen of this country and anyone that falls for their line of BS on Gun ownership and family values really is ignorant of the vipers in the Republican party that have them brainwashed.

Ask the Air Traffic Controllers Union what they think about the Republicans under Reagan that busted their union and contributed to national security problems, remember 9/11.

The replacement controllers did not even know where those planes were and scrambled jets east to the Atlantic ocean thinking the threat was coming from Europe.

Next time you pump some gas or see car bombs killing our men and women in Iraq think of Bush Senior that got us in this mess.

Then come back and tell me you are proud to be a Republican.

[minstrel]

Hmmm... I'd like to be a fat rich man... where do I sign up?

I'm not particularly anti-Bush but from what I've seen I'd say you have Bush for Pres for another 4 for the same reason we wound up with Paul Martin for Prime Minister: They have both made so many mistakes that a decent opposition should have been able to make mincemeat out of them -- Kerry, like the Conservatives and the NDP up here, couldn't get his act together well enough to unseat the incumbent.

If you're angry that Bush is still Pres, blame Kerry. Even many democrats, ig you can believe the talk shows, voted against Bush rather than for him.

If you're happy that Bush is still Pres, thank Kerry for being inept.

[anthonycea]

Please Minstrel, don't tempt me with such an opening like that. :)

Plus Compar might be lurking also :o

The largest mistake the Dem's made was not binding this administration to the Bush Senior Administration like they should have.

I do fault John Kerry for that, could be an underground political reason for the lack of a connection.

[mopacfan]

Why Bush Won (http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/041103whybushwon.htm) I believe this article sheds some light on the real truths of this election. Not to mention that there is nothing more annoying than a New England aristocrat trying to come across as a "regular guy" by using poor english and doing something he'd never do in his normal life.

[anthonycea]

The real reason is that Americans are ignorant to the real issues, Houston Oil Men that are thieves bullshitting them into believing they have "family values" and "gun rights" issues on their side.

They can not see the destruction of the failed Bush Senior administration and the extension of this failure into the current administration and the war and oil profiteering by Halliburton.

Remember, this is the same Nation that re-elected Richard Nixon, the biggest Republican criminal ever.

History has a way of repeating itself, now we have re-elected the Nixon boys again.

How stupid are Americans?

Just ask those who live in Europe and the rest of the world, they will happy to tell you.

The citizens of the world have a much better grasp on issues than Americans as they are not bombarded by the propaganda of the White House.

They voted 70% for Kerry, just look at the international polls, they will tell you what they think of the American voters intellect.

[minstrel]

They voted 70% for Kerry, just look at the international polls, they will tell you what they think of the American voters intellect.
That's easy to do when you don't have to live with the results -- I would interpret that to indicate dislike for Bush and/or his policies, not necessarily a liking for Kerry and/or his policies.

My opinion: Your election, like several recent Canadian elections federally, provincially, and municipally, came down to voting for the person you disliked least or who you thought would do the least overall damage to your life -- it's not a vote FOR anyone; it's a vote AGAINST someone.

[anthonycea]

What this means is that the international community will not support us in Iraq and that there is no way for us to win there.

So the US will continue to be isolated in the world and will continue to be hated by the nations of the world.

You can only buy friends for a short period of time until they decide to kill you and take what you have.

Our time is running out with Bush as a leader, he sure can not lead the international community of nations as they have rejected him a long time ago.

The nations of the world are hip to what is going on, but Americans are living with their heads in the sand.

That is not good for America.

[minstrel]

Our time is running out with Bush as a leader
Actually, not that quickly -- it seems you have him as a leader for the next 4 years...

he sure can not lead the international community of nations as they have rejected him a long time ago
There's an "international community of nations"? Where have they been hiding lately? They certainly haven't shown up at the United Nations in any productive way in years...

[lorien1973]

The UN? What's that? I thought it was the league of nations still ;)

[anthonycea]

Please, don't rub it in Minstrel, these will be the worst years in American history.

If you think the economy is bad now, wait until the Republican's bankrupt the country further. :mad:

SE, you will be much better off staying home in the UK until 2009 :)

[anthonycea]

I want to buy some stock in DP, if I get in early like early Google investors I could become a Billionaire.

Digital Point is number 1 in the SERP's again. Funny how this happens.

http://vivisimo.com/search?v%3Asources=Web&query=redneck+election

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&q=redneck%20election

Can anyone find more # 1's for this term on the other engines.

If so, please post the links in this thread, don't forget to ask for the .25 cent stock also ;) :D :confused:

[ferret77]

"John McCain would have been my pick"

I kind like john mcain... until I watched some the tapes from the primaries and saw some fo smear tactics that bush used on him

then he endorses him for president , becasue the gets promised a job of whatever

he is a gutless politcal worm, least he could do is just keep quiet , but endorse some one who totally screwed you over becasue he is your party.

Black and spanish people came out in droves to vote for constitional amendments against Gay marriage... which is sort of funny becasue up till like 20 years ago there were places in the south were it was still illegal for blacks to marry whites.

I know some people probably still wish that was true , althought I doubt they would say it aloud but its sort of funny when a group who has only just got their civil rights comes out to deny some other group theirs.

I guess I have always lived in urban areas by the ocean , NY, San Fransico , Santa Cruz, now Miami

I forget about the intolerant masses inland, I forget the millions of religous zealots that would like nothting bettter then to force their religous doctrine on everyone possible.

[anthonycea]

You do mean false religion I hope. Remember Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker and Jerry Falwell are nothing but beggars with a TV camera and a shitload of false doctrine, sort of like Fox News and the entire Republican party that USES the dumb to further their oil and war agenda.

Those church folks even sacrifice their children for their hero's Cheney and Bush.

Sounds like an ancient Pagan religion to me......

[Will.Spencer]

You can always move to France.

[Lever]

Well at least in France they actually *know* the difference between Hemp and Marijuana unlike the DEA :D

[ferret77]

Naw, I', kind of into the saltwater fishing here is southern florida

just curious all of you bush backers do you agree with him on

stem cell research
abortion
Homo civil unions
mandatory minium sentecing for drug offenders
death penalty
Global Warming

and if you don't what do you agree wiht him on?

[anthonycea]

You can always move to France.

Correct, and a lot of folks will leave this country soon Will, just to get away from the EC nuts that think they have found God in the Oil and War Mafia.

[Will.Spencer]

stem cell research -- Do it. And I would eat Soylent Green without all that whining too!

abortion -- Kill 'em all. Better dead than on welfare.

Homo civil unions -- I do not believe the state should have involvement in any marriages. Marriage should be a purely religious institution.

mandatory minium sentecing for drug offenders -- MMS is a direct violation of the seperation of powers as defined in the U.S. Constitution.

death penalty -- Every convicted murderer should be summarily executed.

Global Warming -- http://www.junkscience.com



and if you don't what do you agree wiht him on?

Too many things to list, but one big one is:

I agree with George W. Bush that Western Civilization is worth defending. John W. Kerry has built a career aiding the enemies of Western Civilization, such as the VC, the Sandanistas, and Saddam Hussein.

I possibly could have voted Democratic, if they had presented a less morally reprehensible candidate.

[anthonycea]

John Kerry raised up Saddam? Your off base again Will.

http://www.ddh.nl/pipermail/wereldcrisis/2002-October/003148.html

We raised up Bin Laden to fight the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan and we raised up Saddam to fight Iran after the Iran hostage crisis.

You need to get your story straight Will, quit making up propaganda, maybe forks will believe you then.

[ferret77]

"John W. Kerry has built a career aiding the enemies of Western Civilization, such as the VC, the Sandanistas, and Saddam Hussein."

Wasn't saddam our ally not that many years ago, didn't we sell him the chemical weapons he "used on his own people"

when did john kerry aid hussein, or are you thinking of rumsfeild

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

[anthonycea]

Will would not care if Hitler was a Republican, he would still support him ;) :D

[minstrel]

That's not really Saddam Hussein -- it's one of his stunt doubles...

[lorien1973]

Ya know..we've been in Iraq over a year now, and I have yet to see an interview or a picture of people who were his doubles. I wanna see a show that has them all standing together or something. Iraq's funniest dictator doubles or something.

[minstrel]

Well, really... if you looked like Saddam Hussein, would you have been hanging around after the invasion? Even the real Saddam was trying not to look like Saddam... the fake ones by now probably all look like Brittney Spears... :eek:

[anthonycea]

He should have just make a deal with Bush like he did with Bush Senior at the end of the first Gulf War.

He would have still been in power if he would have been willing to do some business.

Instead they found him hiding in a hole outside of Baghdad, within view of his old palace.

[Will.Spencer]

Don Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein as a legally appointed representative of the American government. He did this as part of his job, which was to pursue American interests. Sometimes, we have to meet with people we would rather not. That's displomacy.

John Kerry met, aided, povided advice and counsel to, and took direction from, enemies of America while pursuing his own private agenda in opposition to the agenda of the American government and the American people.

If you can't see the difference, you have serious issues.

[Trance-formation]

This made me smile

http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html

[anthonycea]

No doubt this is the beginning of the end for the Republican party Trance, they and their friends that control the software companies that make the electronic voting machines are going to be busted and investigated.

The flawed voting process and bribes given to the leaders to distort the voting and election process have turned the entire country into an international disgrace that no country even takes seriously in the world community.

America and it's election and voting process is the joke of the world as you show in your link Trance.

How can they support our "Freedom and Justice for others" when we can not even run a fair and just election in America?

Remember Watergate anyone? Nixon was impeached because of election fraud, this is worse than anything Nixon ever did and American’s accept these last two fraudulent Presidential elections.

Now this is complete destruction that some folks just can not see, when the poor can not vote, when new voters have to stand in line for 12 hours to have an opportunity to vote.

This needs to change or this country is doomed to criminals changing the result in every election.

[ferret77]

John W. Kerry has built a career aiding the enemies of Western Civilization, such as the VC, the Sandanistas, and Saddam Hussein.
I guess I was just wondering when kerry aided saddam hussein

its strange how someone goes from ally to nexus of evil in the world in 20 short years

How much did saddam really change in those 20 years? or has he always been the same scumbag

aided, povided advice and counsel to, and took direction from, enemies of America while pursuing his own private agenda in opposition to the agenda of the American government and the American people.

would that be similar to bushes present relationship with the saudis, arn't they the biggest finacers of terrorism, don't the fund extremist wahhbi (?) schools all over the world. Don't they hate freedom? Don't they oppress their people the same way saddam did?

Arn't they ruled by a royal family, is possible to be more unamerican then that?

[anthonycea]

Will is not going to change his position, I feel that he should join the service and fight for Halliburton ASAP.

Dick Cheney needs more believers because not many really believe in him any longer, "Uncle Dick wants you" Will............ ;) :) :cool:

[Trance-formation]

Arn't they ruled by a royal family, is possible to be more unamerican then that?

Ooohhh... shock... horror.... non-US countries are unamerican

Jeez :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

Come on Trance, he was talking about Bush's friendship with these so-called enemies (business partners to keep the war going to keep oil prices high).

It is all a game Trance, keep wars going on all the time (Mid-east crisis) so that oil is always risky to deal in, thus keeping the prices sky high.

At the same time the leaders engage in war profiteering, you can't see this Trance????

[Trance-formation]

At the same time the leaders engage in war profiteering, you can't see this Trance????

The leaders are just the tip of the iceberg... we don't even see where the real power lies.

I delibarately took that line out of context because it sums up an attitude that scares the hell out of me... a couple of months ago I heard an interview with someone from the Pentagon, justifying war as a means of spreading American style democracy. Not removing sadistic dictators. Not securing oil. Not defending national security. But bringing American style democracy to the world.

Smacks of jihad to me.

The time is coming when we have to consider defending the unamerican way of life, or lose it for ever.

[anthonycea]

Spreading simply means war and oil profiteering Trance, that is the only thing they are trying to do.

This country was not built on these principals, but has been highjacked by greedy Houston Oil men.

This is a war over whose currency is going to remain the standard for world trade and the EU will not have much more of it.

The US is isolated in the world, can not win this so-called war on terror (oil war) without destroying the entire balance of the world community.

Everyone knows this but the fanatics in the White House and those fooled by them in the USA (citizens).

[ferret77]

The reason I said that is becasue after no wmds where found, and link to al queda didn't materialize the reason for the war was liberate and free the iraqi people

But it seems sort of odd how we would help a opressive monarchy opress its people , but then we would go to war when someone who doesn't sell us cheap oil opresses his people.

I personally think that every remaining monarchy in the world should be overthrown, although I wouldn't be pro using my tax moeny and american lives to do it.

I don't think there is a country in the world who if given the chance would opt for a monarchy

[SEbasic]

I wouldn't - And I have no doubt that a lot of other people in the UK feel the same.

They don't do any damage to the country - if anything, they increase revenue from tourism.

I do not feel as though the monarchy are making my life difficult.

If they did, I have no doubt that there would have been some issues raised.

I like the queen. She's old, ugly and a little boring - but I like her. :)

[Trance-formation]

Personally, I am all for the removal of monarchy. (Come the revolution they'll be the first against the wall:)) But you would be surprised how many people take a different view. IMO, the governing structure of a given country is (and there are exceptions to this) the responsibility of the citizens of that country. Ethical approaches to change from external nations would include economic and diplomatic sanctions, refusal to trade with a country whose treatment of its own citizens was morally objectionable.

[Lever]

I think there's a 3rd way between Trance and SE

The issue with the British monarchy is that it's a legacy of elitism whereby rule and power was handed down through families, regardless of their merits and capabilities. It's the same of all monarchies - Tsar Nikolas Romanov, for instance, kept his country at war when he was completely useless from a military perspective, you know the story...

The monarchy should be kept only for their historical interest and for the revenue they do generate for the UK, but beyond that they should not use ANY British taxpayers money. Considering the Queen alone is worth £250 Million, I'm sure her family has enough amongst themselves to keep them going...

[minstrel]

The issue with the British monarchy is that it's a legacy of elitism whereby rule and power was handed down through families, regardless of their merits and capabilities.
Actually, I think it's become just one of Britain's social safety net programs -- it's where they employ homely people with no discernible marketable skills and lots of pets.

[Lever]

Actually, I think it's become just one of Britain's social safety net programs -- it's where they employ homely people with no discernible marketable skills and lots of pets.LOL - that's us, a nation of animal lovers - dogs, horses, other "dumb" animals (e.g. Prince Edward) and a whole variety of cross-breeds ;)

[ferret77]

was kind of under the impression that the monarchy in england didn't actually do anything

i was talking about monarchys that actually rule over things

[minstrel]

i was talking about monarchys that actually rule over things
If this is going to turn into another Bill Gates bashing thread, I'm outa here :eek:

[anthonycea]

Now wait one moment Minstrel, the Queen still has a lot of power in Canada, so does she influence the USA government also. :)

[minstrel]

Actually, she is a figurehead in Canada, and in that role is loved by some, hated by others. She has no power in Canada.

[anthonycea]

Sure, we say the same thing here, but when war breaks out the President is kissing ass on the Royal Family.