Selling Online Payment Processor's Accounts!

[Disguised]

There are few people selling online currency accounts in BST section and in my opinion it should not be allowed at DP. People are doing exchanges, fine but selling whole account (s) is not really a good idea. Selling account should be prohibited, What do you have to say on that??

[Zerosleep]

I agree with but neither the mods nor Shawn can do anything about this :) you gotta tell the Seller urself that it is against TOS :rolleyes:

[Disguised]

I agree with but neither the mods nor Shawn can do anything about this :) you gotta tell the Seller urself that it is against TOS :rolleyes:

Creating PayPal account from a country which PayPal doesn't allow is against TOS too and even after posting this lots of time people don't stop doing this. So how can we expect they will stop selling accounts after we tell them? Only Admin/Mods can stop this thing from DP IMO

[sawz]

offers to sell US bank accounts to non residents may also cause a problem. this is something i don't understand, how can you buy another identity?

[Smyrl]

Banking rules and regulations in the states are quite restrictive. I had a bank with which I dealt refuse to let me open a CD for my sister even thought the cashiers check had both our names on it

[ace.tuku]

DP can't control people's thoughts. It should come from them. If they wanna use it they can. Like these Digg's n stumble exchange threads should also be stopped but they aren't coz you can't close everything down. Good point i support you but you can't close them but what we can do is report those threads to me and together we can bash them up in the forum for doing ill-legal business. :D

Ace Tuku

[Disguised]

Agreed Ace that we can't control all but we can report such threads/post to mods if they agree that this is not allowed. Otherwise reporting that would be useless. A rule about "Selling Online Currency Accouts" or something like that would be helpful in controlling that. And when we have a rule in DP everyone is supposed to follow that and those who don't "report" button and Mods are here for them :rolleyes:

[ace.tuku]

Well then if this can be considered then why don't Digg's and Stumbles be reported ?? After all we are breaking the TOS of a Social Networking sites there as well ???

Think about it again. I firmly believe it can't be stopped although i whole heartedly support your reason. :)

Ace Tuku

[Clive]

It may be difficult to stop but given the moderator key in your hands, you have the moral duty to keep this place clean from fraud as much as this is possible. Otherwise it turns into a torch and the more people get burned, the more negative feedback DP will get on the web. So I do believe things like this one should be kept under strict control.

[Gnet]

Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
If people do not have the common sense to not get involved in such activities then there is no need to bring up these issues, if buyers can't take care of their own money its their problem.

[EGS]

People can do it though. It's not illegal, it's just against TOS.
PayPal can't do anything about it but close accounts under suspicion. =\

If it's not illegal, I don't think mods should have to worry about it...it'll just add more stress and management to them.

[8everything]

People sell ebay and myspace accounts too, even though they're against the TOS so I guess we can't solve everything ;)

[GuyFromChicago]

Buyer beware...

[Clive]

Buyer beware...

Yeah, what else can se say. If we don't protect ourselves, no one will.

[Disguised]

So this means you people want to say things should be kept the way they are going? I don't think this is a proper solution to this, this could tolerate more account sellers (apparently scammers) to buy/sell currency accounts and scam others.

As I've seen few more threads today and number would be increasing significantly if no proper action is taken against them. For those who are saying Exchanging currency and doing stumbles is against TOS too but Selling a whole account is completely different thing. Come on Guys

[GuyFromChicago]

It means we can't enforce the TOS of products/services that are not owned by DP.

[Robert Allen]

It means we can't enforce the TOS of products/services that are not owned by DP.
Does DP promote the breaking of terms and conditions of other sites? Basically the answer to this question is yes.

Ignorance is not the answer. The question how much more can DP take before it gets banned from sites? Not much in my opinion.

Get shawn to do something about it, or this forum will end in a disaster.

Rob

[GuyFromChicago]

Does DP promote the breaking of terms and conditions of other sites? Basically the answer to this question is yes.


Give me a break Rob, that's a lame and inaccurate comparison.

[Robert Allen]

Give me a break Rob, that's a lame and inaccurate comparison.
Sorry, but in my eyes, basically this is what DP is doing at the moment.

I don't care about other peoples opinions, the fact is that some companies, digg imparticular, are probably sick of banning 1000's of dublicate accounts of DP members.

Can you please do something about it before it is too late? I would hate this site to get any worse than it is right now. I am speaking for the members here, not just myself.

Regards,

Rob

[GuyFromChicago]

Sorry, but in my eyes, basically this is what DP is doing at the moment.

Just because there's not a policy against it doesn't mean we support it. That's like saying since you link to a directory in your signature that lists illegal (in the US at least) pharmacies you must support people violating US laws to get some vicodin. Maybe we should have a policy that ban people who link to things that link to things that break US laws?

I don't care about other peoples opinions, the fact is that some companies, digg imparticular, are probably sick of banning 1000's of dublicate accounts of DP members.

That doesn't make much sense. You don't care about people's opinions but you are worried about how Digg employees feel and what they might be tired of? Who cares how many people Digg has to ban? That's their issue.

Can you please do something about it before it is too late? I would hate this site to get any worse than it is right now. I am speaking for the members here, not just myself.

We've stated hundreds of times at this point that we can't/don't/won't get involved in member transactions or disputes. People need to use their brain before they enter into transactions or deals and take some responsibility for their own actions.

[sawz]

People need to use their brain before they enter into transactions or deals and take some responsibility for their own actions.

this is like the umpteen millionth time i have read that...:D

[Disguised]

We've stated hundreds of times at this point that we can't/don't/won't get involved in member transactions or disputes. People need to use their brain before they enter into transactions or deals and take some responsibility for their own actions.

I agree with you that members should use their brains before doing any transactions but we are not talking about normal money exchanges, Digg/stumble Upon, even though there is a risk of getting scammed in money exchanges but it usually isn't very big (except some rare cases). What I wanted to say was not to allow selling 'WHOLE/REGISTERED' currency accounts. I hope every one understand what I mean so we should just keep it away from other exchanges and focus on this issue. Because once a person starts selling one account other member (mostly newbies) start selling their accounts too and I don't want to see DP Turning into such a place. Ok I understand that DP doesn't work with TOS of other sites but DP has its own respect and no one would like to see on any other site"Hey Visit DP, you could buy anything (illegal,even hacked credit cards someday if no proper action is taken) over there". This is how I think about this issue and it looks a damn serious one to me.

[Robert Allen]

Of course, the moderators don't care if they fail to keep order and allow the sale of illegal products. After all, it is not their forum at the end of the day, it is someone else's - Shawn Hogan.

Rob

[Clive]

Of course, the moderators don't care if they fail to keep order and allow the sale of illegal products. After all, it is not their forum at the end of the day, it is someone else's - Shawn Hogan.

Rob

Mods should definitely look into it. And I'm sure all the mods of this forum are currently working a lot to keep this place clean. I as admin of another webmaster forum am doing my best to take rubbish to the bin and keep my place as secure as possible for my members.

[Robert Allen]

I must admit, being a moderator of a medium forum is hard, i believe i have been a bit too harsh in this thread. I understand how hard it is to keep everyone happy when you are in charge. It is the same with every boss in every business and country. They all have the problem of some people who are never happy, but if they support the minority, the majority are unhappy.

Being a moderator on a forum this large is something hard to do. If i had an offer to be a moderator on this forum, which i know i won't, i would say no. It is too much hard work.

Rules need to be made, but Shawn needs to take a break from his girlfriend or whatever he is doing just for a few days to fix this problem before DP is the stake of this roulette wheel.

Rob

[Disguised]

Being a moderator on a forum this large is something hard to do. If i had an offer to be a moderator on this forum, which i know i won't, i would say no. It is too much hard work.

Quite right! Mods already are doing great work and we can see that even being one of the biggest forums on internet, DP is clean. This shows that we have got hard working mods on DP :)

Rules need to be made, but Shawn needs to take a break from his girlfriend or whatever he is doing just for a few days to fix this problem before DP is the stake of this roulette wheel.

Rob

Yes, Rule need to be made but all depends on Shawn and Mods team to decide. This is a serious issue and should be taken care off properly or this could ruin Digital Point Forum's Reputation all over the places, which any of us don't want. I am quite sure Mods would be talking about that in "Mods section" and hopefully they will come with a solution that suits DP and it's legit members.

[Freelance GD]

I agree with you Allen that its damned hard to keep everyone happy and a forum like DP. But as most of you guys are saying, there should be some new rules for these kinda illegal stuff.

Decisions have to be taken when it comes to someone's reputation. I hope Admin and Mods will take serious steps towards this issue.

~Freelance GD

[GuyFromChicago]

Ok I understand that DP doesn't work with TOS of other sites but DP has its own respect and no one would like to see on any other site"Hey Visit DP, you could buy anything (illegal,even hacked credit cards someday if no proper action is taken) over there". This is how I think about this issue and it looks a damn serious one to me.

Illegal is not the same as "against the TOS". I don't think bringing hacked credit cards and other things that are clearly illegal into the discussion is a fair comparison.

It's against Google's guidelines to buy/sell links - maybe we should close down the links sales section?

I'm the first to delete a post/thread in which someone is breaking a law but trying to enforce everyone else's terms of service would be near impossible.

[Gnet]

It's against Google's guidelines to buy/sell links - maybe we should close down the links sales section?

If you promise i won't see these kinds of threads again, by all means go ahead :)

I'm the first to delete a post/thread in which someone is breaking a law but trying to enforce everyone else's terms of service would be near impossible.



by everyone else you mean the 60% newbies that tend to screw up just enough to ruin everyones day.

[Tech Entrance]

We've stated hundreds of times at this point that we can't/don't/won't get involved in member transactions or disputes. People need to use their brain before they enter into transactions or deals and take some responsibility for their own actions.

But you still get involved when red flags arise about someone and BAN him

So why not take some steps by making some rules that eliminates things from the root ?

Some people don't have the knowledge to weight things and make decisions and limiting the offer or restricting it will kill the demand for such vulnerable goods being ready accounts /dirt cheap offers and such....

[ace.tuku]

But you still get involved when red flags arise about someone and BAN him

So why not take some steps by making some rules that eliminates things from the root ?

Some people don't have the knowledge to weight things and make decisions and limiting the offer or restricting it will kill the demand for such vulnerable goods being ready accounts /dirt cheap offers and such....

I second that. when you can take actions against members for not following your rules and you know that other company also have there rules which are open for public to view(and you'll as well) so why not respect there rules as well and not allow anything ill-legal to go on your forum/site as well.

I'm not talking about individual member conflict but am talking about respecting other company TOS.