Well I did it I dropped YPN back for Adsense.

[Da-Chief]

I don't understand Yahoo, I really don't.

I was one of their biggest fans. Not becuase of the $$ (Mind you it was good) but because you could communicate with a person.

While they still have the Phone Number something has indeed changed in the last 6-8 months. Thier product has gone down hill.

First it was the outtage and acting like nothing was going on, even when we were all up in arms etc..

Then because I was getting terrible targeting, I was told by "THEM" and thier customer support to target my own ads.. I did so..

Last week they took away my ability to target ads and now was stuck with "MORTGAGE" and Crap ads...

I did what they told me to do then they took it away and day before yesterday made 0.82. WOW!!

Enough was enough.

I hope they get thier act togethor. I boggles my mind that they put up the drivel they do on thier blog etc.. acting like "CROOKED SMILES" means a damn thing


While Rome is burning..

This is what happens when you get people who don't listent to the people actually doing the work. BAD LEADERSHIP!

Da-Chief

[scriptillusion]

I know the feeling, but I continue to hope that they will regain their sense of business and get on the right track someday. But for now I'm stickin with the big G. Good luck in your transition.

[d16man]

yep...its bad for everyone...I have already switched most of my sites back, I still have a few I am holding out for hope though.

[neelesh]

I prefer google for now rather than ypn

[PoemofQuotes]

Yeah, their sense of business is telling the Chinese government about journalists/chinese searches. They help imprison people who want to be free. Yeah, great business practices.

Anyway, their program is a joke. Tell you one thing, then they do another. They have a huge bureaucracy problem and they don't know how to fix it. They try to cater to their stock holders by just changing CEOs although everyone else knows that it won't change anything. They are a joke.

[karagold]

so nothing has changed huh. i guess i got out at the right time. whats funny is that from my multiple ypn accounts, i killed all of them but 1, only running pages that are still raking in the money. on 1 of my other accounts which was receiving absolutely no traffic, i got the termination letter regarding poor quality traffic. really, i couldn't stop laughing. what poor quality traffic? there has been no traffic to that account in at least 2 months. good eye ypn. thats how you show the world you are on top of things.

anywho, good luck to you all. i seriously doubt ypn is going to make any real recovery, although i'll keep raking in on the niches that are still performing until they screw those up as well.

[Volknet]

Yea. I'm about to drop them too.

Earnings have dropped to sub-par. +Still very untargeted ads.

[mrcrowley]

The more i hear about ypn the less likely i am ever going to try them. Never hear anything positive about them.

[TeachCrunch]

probably because their are only 4 advertisers with YPN..

Anyone looking for a YPN account PM me and I will sell you one!

[brotherZ]

They need to hire a few google software engineers to help them out. Otherwise, they'll be in deep sh*t soon.

[PoemofQuotes]

You mean the 14 year old down the street hasn't learned enough programming yet? Dang... I would think by now...

[Allisgood]

You know in the good old days when YPN was paying a lot of money I used to promote my sites using Google Adword to increase my traffic. That was such a user friendly system for advertisers. Then I thought since I was getting my revenue from Yahoo, I should try to promote my sites using Yahoo too. My God! what a nightmare that was. I'm sorry to say it but from an advertisers point of view you could not even compare the two systems. I had to drop advertising with Yahoo because I was scared they would run up my credit card in one day.
They used up my monthly budget, in I think five days. Their system was awful to say the least. I'm sorry to say it. I think that's what drove advertisers away from Yahoo more than anything else.

[Da-Chief]

Hmm..
Not sure on the advertising, But one thing I really like about adsense is you can get a feel on how the day is going.. I.e I can see the clicks vs. the visits.

One thing I don't understand though.

In Yahoo. It would say I get XXXX impressions a day.. In Google I get XXX a day??

Google is off by Thousands?

Or was Yahoo?

I dunno.

What do you all use to track actual Numbers?? My host is through Network solutions.. (yeah yeah Don't laugh).

I have learned a lot from you all in the last 3 months I have been coming here.. Gotta admit A lot of the acronyms go way.... over my head sometimes..

;-)

Thanks
Da-Chief.

[PoemofQuotes]

Neither. Yahoo goes by total page views, Google goes by unique page views. So say, IP 127.0.0.1 visits your page A 3 times, B 1 time and C 5 times. Yahoo would say the IP gave 9 page views, Google would say only 3 page views.... however, that is only true in certain reports. Other reports give out the total page views for Google... it is confusing, but that's the basic reason.

[karagold]

ypn counts ad unit impressions. if you have 3 ads on your page, 1 visitor would register 3 ad unit impressions for that visit, where google only registers 1. if that same user refreshes or comes back, ypn registers an additional 3 ad unit impressions

[PoemofQuotes]

Depending on the report being shown.

[PioneerGold]

Back in 2005, when I first joined YPN, it seemed like the plan was to have it go public by the end of 2006, at the absolute latest.

Earnings were good, the program was new, publishers were eager and everyone was starting to learn about contextual advertising.

Two years later, earnings are terrible, the program is getting old, publishers are skeptical, and everyone knows about contextual ads.

I think Yahoo really missed a golden opportunity.

[Agent007]

Im still making good money sending Google traffic to Yahoo ads. But the Yahoo daily stats from estimates to actuals vary so much. Usually my actual revenue drops 15-50% from the estimate. Anyone know why this happens?

At least with Google Adsense the stats are almost realtime and actuals. :cool:

[fr0gman]

It is interesting that you mention this. I found a security hole in their click fraud detection system way back in March/April. I contacted a YPN rep and explained to her that I was going to perform a test. I gave her my account info and explained where the traffic would come from... the whole nine yards, right. I figured that they would get the info to their code monkeys and together we could build a better system.

After less than a week I get a notice that my account had been canceled. I thought, GREAT!! I thought that they had discovered the bad clicks and my experiment had triggered their detection system. So I called them and finally got through to this woman that said she was "in charge of the publisher program". I explained things to her and asked to speak to the person that handles the click fraud detection. She said that she was in charge of that as well. I said, GREAT... let's talk about this experiment. She then copped an attitude and told me that my account was not terminated for click fraud it was terminated for content violations. It seems that the site that I setup for this click fraud test did not have "quality content". No kidding!!!

I explained the whole "experiment" scenario to her again, gave her the name and number of the person that I had been talking to and even forwarded her copies of the email that had been sent. She refused to reinstate the account saying that "when the YPN program is out of Beta" I can reapply...

I asked what my duties were as a Beta tester if it is not to help find flaws and correct them... she again said that my account was not terminated for click fraud it was terminated for content quality violations.

The 2 most disturbing things are that I still have not received any communication from them with regards to the click fraud detection AND 60 days after they terminated my account for "content quality" they sent me a check for $279.83 for the click fraud experiment.

YPN has their collective heads so far in the sand on things that they may never recover.

Anyone who advertises with YPN PM me and I will show you how someone can drain your ad budget without YPN knowing (or maybe caring)...


You know in the good old days when YPN was paying a lot of money I used to promote my sites using Google Adword to increase my traffic. That was such a user friendly system for advertisers. Then I thought since I was getting my revenue from Yahoo, I should try to promote my sites using Yahoo too. My God! what a nightmare that was. I'm sorry to say it but from an advertisers point of view you could not even compare the two systems. I had to drop advertising with Yahoo because I was scared they would run up my credit card in one day.
They used up my monthly budget, in I think five days. Their system was awful to say the least. I'm sorry to say it. I think that's what drove advertisers away from Yahoo more than anything else.

[hfweb]

I'm thinking about dropping YPN from one of my sites too.

I had one day where I made $11, the next day same ammount of clicks, a little less impressions, and I made all of 60 cents, next day, less clicks, more impressions and I made $13.

Anymore it just seems to vary far too much on how much day to day, a couple days where you dont make anything, then you make a bunch.

I think they have messed up with this smart pricing quite a bit.

[Tearabite]

I've posted this many times before, and sadly i'm sure i'll post it many times in the future: YPn has no clue on how to do anything.. it APPEARS that they are a bunch of incompetent retards with no direction and no common sense..

The funny thing is, all the times of posted these harsh words, NOBODY has ever disagreed...

YPn is in serious trouble...

[mediology]

I dont talk about ypn much since being terminated for low quality traffic.
The same old thing. I had crappy ads on my sites. Ads that were not even remotely close to what my visitors would be interested in. I targeted for something closer and still had crappy ads but not as crappy.
Long story short I lost ad targeting first and then my account and was told to reapply when it comes out of beta.
I sent their advertisers LOADS of traffic. I never have any problems with adsense. Adwords advertisers have loved my traffic for years.

[indyonline]

I have to agree, yahoo is going down hill.

[stackman]

I don't understand why anyone is still with YPN. I've been with them since the beginning (late 2005) and did fine for a while, even though they have never in 2 years been able to produce relevant ads -- and they are STILL in beta. Then relevancy worsened and revenue began falling, and I began switching pages back to Google. A few pages continued to do well even with non-relevant ads. Then they too began producing less revenue. Now, all pages are back to Google and I don't see ever going back to YPN. The only reason I see for anyone to be interested in YPN is because they've been banned by Google. Unfortunately, it's a poor second choice.

[HiLoRoller]

I'm glad i read this thread, I was considering trying them out, but maybe I won't now.

[whatupyo]

Good for you!

[Phaaze]

Yea, I have debated with myself to go back to Google for a while now... I just keep hoping Yahoo will get their act together...

[wwwSENSERELYcom]

I'm pretty sure there's some sort of arrangement between google and yahoo, something not official.. I don't see any other reason for yahoo being so lame in this promising area (not relevant, not international) no other reason than already receiving millions from google. Or maybe an agreement by google not to do GOOGLE GAMES and GOOGLE GREETINGS CARDS, so yahoo can stay in this.

I really don't know, but what explanation can you give?

[stock_post]

interesting to read all this!

I am still a YPN publisher..

If msn or ask comes out I will be trying them out!

[Phaaze]

Unfortunately, unless you high up in either company... I doubt it is information many people will get their hands on...

[123]

I guess - YPN is going to go down as one of the biggest blunders the net has experienced in recent times

[Isaac]

I've never been in YPN, but I have been reading comments about it since it first started. It's really amazing how there's been a total 360 done in regards to how much people like it. When it first came out, everyone was scrambling to get an invite because it paid so much better than AdSense. Two years later now, and everyone's going back to AdSense.

[mrcrowley]

Never used ypn either and the more i read about it the less likely i am to try it. Never heard a good thing about it :O

[wisdomtool]

I would say never put all your eggs in your basket, try to diversify between YPN and Google, safer to keep both of them, you never know when a competitor is going to keep clicking your Google adsense and have you banned.

[Swordfish]

I see a lot of YPN publishers using images with ads... Looks like they dont care if they get warned/banned as they were probably going back to adsnese.. but it seems Yahoo isnot enforcing it to keep users...?

[l0zo]

YPN is just a massive risk now!

[fr0gman]

Mark my words. YPN will be closed down inside of 12 months... and I am being generous here. My gut tells me 6 months.

[r32faisal]

It is interesting that you mention this. I found a security hole in their click fraud detection system way back in March/April. I contacted a YPN rep and explained to her that I was going to perform a test. I gave her my account info and explained where the traffic would come from... the whole nine yards, right. I figured that they would get the info to their code monkeys and together we could build a better system.

After less than a week I get a notice that my account had been canceled. I thought, GREAT!! I thought that they had discovered the bad clicks and my experiment had triggered their detection system. So I called them and finally got through to this woman that said she was "in charge of the publisher program". I explained things to her and asked to speak to the person that handles the click fraud detection. She said that she was in charge of that as well. I said, GREAT... let's talk about this experiment. She then copped an attitude and told me that my account was not terminated for click fraud it was terminated for content violations. It seems that the site that I setup for this click fraud test did not have "quality content". No kidding!!!

I explained the whole "experiment" scenario to her again, gave her the name and number of the person that I had been talking to and even forwarded her copies of the email that had been sent. She refused to reinstate the account saying that "when the YPN program is out of Beta" I can reapply...

I asked what my duties were as a Beta tester if it is not to help find flaws and correct them... she again said that my account was not terminated for click fraud it was terminated for content quality violations.

The 2 most disturbing things are that I still have not received any communication from them with regards to the click fraud detection AND 60 days after they terminated my account for "content quality" they sent me a check for $279.83 for the click fraud experiment.

YPN has their collective heads so far in the sand on things that they may never recover.

Anyone who advertises with YPN PM me and I will show you how someone can drain your ad budget without YPN knowing (or maybe caring)...

Wow.
I think YPN's brains are still in BETA..

[abcyesn]

I think the YPN engineers are sleeping... .seriously..

They have like 5 ads total that rotating each other... and it's not even relate to my content.

Yahoo needs to wake up and accept microsoft's offer... otherwise the company will be worth 5 billion in a year...

[gpearce]

Hm, YPN looks like a mess, they seem to be showing crappy quality ads on everywhere I've seen them, I think I agree that they will be gone within the year :|

[Loonm]

All i know about Yahoo, is that when they rejected my application on cj.com, i sent them a letter to ask why, and support explained me and that was real email written by real person not a template. But when you communicate with google, i always get the same emails, never paid any attention on me from a real person, BUT i was not customer of yahoo, and i had a chance to talk to their employee by email, and i'm customer of google, i haven't ever had a chance, thats why i don't like google!

[river]

Hm, YPN looks like a mess, they seem to be showing crappy quality ads on everywhere I've seen them, I think I agree that they will be gone within the year :|

I almost never see YPN ads. All google all the time.

[t2000q]

google is better ad system thats why you see them more

[wildfire07]

YPN is a complete bust. Maybe if they merge or get bought out, the next try will work. Crazy placements, like a Diabetes ad on a candy site