Sponsoring Templates

The Pheonix

Aug 11th 2007, 2:20 pm

With the probable doom of Google's PR is it going to prove as much value for people to sponsor directory templates, or do you think people will still sponsor as many regardless? Is there as much value in sponsoring a template or do you think eliminating PR won't make a bit of difference?

longhornfreak

Aug 11th 2007, 2:21 pm

Good backlinks will help in your site's SEO, which will get you ranked higher for keywords.

mystikmedia

Aug 11th 2007, 2:29 pm

Good backlinks will help in your site's SEO, which will get you ranked higher for keywords.

Exactly. Plus, a lot of web directory owners sponsor templates to get traffic from the directories that use it too. Sure, most directoies would send very little traffic, but adding all the directories that use a good template together can produce good results.

mikey1090

Aug 11th 2007, 3:01 pm

If it doesnt boost PR, it will boost your SE ranking. It will also increase your backlink count, which is one metric used to decide the quality of a web directory.

swedal

Aug 11th 2007, 3:25 pm

Just how probable is the doom of googles page rank?

mrcrowley

Aug 11th 2007, 3:41 pm

Just how probable is the doom of googles page rank?

And since when has it been probable?

The Pheonix

Aug 11th 2007, 6:49 pm

Good backlinks will help in your site's SEO, which will get you ranked higher for keywords.

Can you support this?

The Pheonix

Aug 11th 2007, 6:50 pm

Just how probable is the doom of googles page rank?

Very, follow the relevant threads on this forum that were mysteriously closed, you'll see even matt cutts is taking PR with a pinch of salt.

malcolm1

Aug 11th 2007, 6:58 pm

Hello...

It would seem that anymore its simply not worth it as clowns take the links off the footers...

EX: http://www.bostonsocialcircle.org/

thx
malcolm

discover

Aug 11th 2007, 7:01 pm

no basis to say this is probable at all and as said already sponsors for backlinks will remain

With the probable doom of Google's PR is it going to prove as much value for people to sponsor directory templates, or do you think people will still sponsor as many regardless? Is there as much value in sponsoring a template or do you think eliminating PR won't make a bit of difference?

SearchBuster

Aug 11th 2007, 10:45 pm

I will continue to sponsor, simply for traffic, although the traffic is minimal, so is the cost to sponsor.

mikey1090

Aug 12th 2007, 1:33 am

Hello...

It would seem that anymore its simply not worth it as clowns take the links off the footers...

EX: http://www.bostonsocialcircle.org/

thx
malcolm

I used to own that site. I will email the owner, as i still have his email address i think.

uttoransen

Aug 12th 2007, 1:54 am

LeopardAt1

Aug 12th 2007, 1:55 am

Sometimes you also get a lot of natural links from blog sites that list free templates.

templates

Aug 12th 2007, 2:38 am

well,i have sponsored many templates,but will not anymore unless they have footer encrpted so my link wont get removed.But i will continue regardless of PR...As i have said,its about how many eyeballs see your name,not really a green bar

balkanboy

Aug 12th 2007, 2:49 am

SasaVtec

Aug 12th 2007, 2:59 am

I used to own that site. I will email the owner, as i still have his email address i think.

If you can PM the e-mail add. would appreciate it.

tdoggy

Aug 12th 2007, 3:07 am

Very, follow the relevant threads on this forum that were mysteriously closed, you'll see even matt cutts is taking PR with a pinch of salt.

It's a huge leap to say that PR is doomed because MC takes it with a grain of salt. To say that PR is on the way out is pure speculation. Read what Adam Lasnik, said on that webmasterworld thread. He gave no indication whatsoever that they are getting rid of it.

MeetHere

Aug 12th 2007, 3:11 am

I myself have sponsored few Free wordpress themes (http://www.bqtm.com/blog/)
It brings good traffic for me.. In addition waiting for backlinks update on google.

The Pheonix

Aug 12th 2007, 4:46 am

no basis to say this is probable at all and as said already sponsors for backlinks will remain

What do you mean there's no basis to say this, yes there is. :rolleyes: Go read some posts on the developements of PR which is exactly why I asked the question.

The Pheonix

Aug 12th 2007, 4:51 am

It's a huge leap to say that PR is doomed because MC takes it with a grain of salt. To say that PR is on the way out is pure speculation. Read what Adam Lasnik, said on that webmasterworld thread. He gave no indication whatsoever that they are getting rid of it.

It's not a huge leap at all, read up on the subject and look at the common sense behind the absolute need to get rid of it, directory owners are the worst offenders for PR chasing that's a pretty clear fact. http://www.searchenginejournal.com/goodbye-google-pagerank/5465/

If Matt say's PR is pretty much a non-event at Google then you should be wise enough to know that if they don't take it seriously then why the hell should anyone else.

discover

Aug 12th 2007, 4:53 am

What do you mean there's no basis to say this, yes there is. :rolleyes: Go read some posts on the developements of PR which is exactly why I asked the question.

and do these posts come from google or have any real evidence google is thinking of removing PR
no of course not

tdoggy

Aug 12th 2007, 5:12 am

If Matt say's PR is pretty much a non-event at Google then you should be wise enough to know that if they don't take it seriously then why the hell should anyone else.

He did not say they don't take it seriously. He said the toolbar-PR updates are a non-event. Meaning it's no big deal to them. As in they don't get excited about it. And why would they?

It's not a huge leap at all, read up on the subject and look at the common sense behind the absolute need to get rid of it, directory owners are the worst offenders for PR chasing that's a pretty clear fact. http://www.searchenginejournal.com/goodbye-google-pagerank/5465/

Like everybody else here, I've read that post. They are referencing the debate on webmasterworld, that's it. I'm not saying whether or not it should stay or go. You obviously think it should go, but no matter what you or I think, it makes little difference in the end as to what Google will do. And once again, Google has given no indication, anywhere, that they are getting rid of it.

jetbrains

Aug 12th 2007, 5:35 am

do you think people will still sponsor as many regardless?
Yes, I would like to still sponsor the templates to get some traffic.

pipes

Aug 12th 2007, 9:46 am

I hope its ok to ask this question here since its related.

When you guys sponsor Templates, do you sponsor per month, per year or is it a one off payment for template sponsorship?

smub

Aug 12th 2007, 11:56 am

if the sponsored links are on the footer then the links will not have much importance. if the sponsored links are in the sidebar or on top, the value of the links are more, for both PR and serps!!

though one thing that helps a lot from sponsoring templates is, you get targeted traffic, this kind of traffic increases in sales and submission:):)

let me know who is your SEO teacher or where did you read this because this is absolutely WRONG.

A link on the page is a link so it will help you regardless of what you do with SERPS and PR.

The only thing placement will matter is traffic.

@pipes: mostly it is permanent fee ... i haven't seen a template designer asking for monthly sponsorship fee .. hehe

@phoenix: i think funkymario posted a thread official tht PR will stay ....

mystikmedia

Aug 12th 2007, 11:59 am

I have only ever done one arrangement that had monthly payments involves related to a template. All the rest have always been permanent.

jl255

Aug 12th 2007, 12:06 pm

I hope its ok to ask this question here since its related.

When you guys sponsor Templates, do you sponsor per month, per year or is it a one off payment for template sponsorship?

I have only ever done one arrangement that had monthly payments involves related to a template. All the rest have always been permanent.

this is something new to me, never heard of a recurrent sponsorship deal for templates. Do enlighten on how this works :)

pipes

Aug 12th 2007, 12:14 pm

smub and mystikmedia thanks, i was hoping to hear that.

jl255, ive just realised the complication of how that would work, if someone was sponsoring for monthly and the template is widely used and then the person stops sponsoring...:o

Selling_Card

Aug 12th 2007, 8:26 pm

i see cool can do work it very well

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 4:40 am

Hello...

It would seem that anymore its simply not worth it as clowns take the links off the footers...

EX: http://www.bostonsocialcircle.org/

thx
malcolm

There's a designer attribute on that one, did they put it back or something?

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 4:42 am

He did not say they don't take it seriously. He said the toolbar-PR updates are a non-event. Meaning it's no big deal to them. As in they don't get excited about it. And why would they?

Like everybody else here, I've read that post. They are referencing the debate on webmasterworld, that's it. I'm not saying whether or not it should stay or go. You obviously think it should go, but no matter what you or I think, it makes little difference in the end as to what Google will do. And once again, Google has given no indication, anywhere, that they are getting rid of it.

Nope, they're QUOTING what Matt Cutt's said, there's a HUGE difference. Since when have Google needed to tell us mere mortals when they are doing something, especially as they view most directory owners as the ones who've created this questionable link buying phenomenon.

discover

Aug 13th 2007, 4:45 am

especially as they view most directory owners as the ones who've created this questionable link buying phenomenon.

again where are you getting this?
you just making this up or what :rolleyes:

soju

Aug 13th 2007, 4:53 am

I've sponsored about 15 wp themes for Spongy Web Directory (http://www.spongyweb.com) and new links keep rolling in each day. The best way that I find out about these new links is through hits that are recorded on my server's referrer logs. I definitely think they are worth it. You have to have a good eye for which themes will get lots of downloads. I am pretty sure that some of the themes I have paid for sponsorships on were a waste of time. But sometimes you hit a gem and literally tens of blogs with good PR and good hits are using that theme.

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 5:10 am

How did you come up with this? Based on what? I am curious to know.

sorry for the late responce!
yes the footer links carries less importance, and the top or sidebar links have more value for passing PR or boosting serps! Am speaking out of experience, but i would love to see what others have to say on this!

Having said that, every backlink matters, and when i say less importance it dosenot mean no-importance. But then a link on the sidebar will have a lot more importance!:)

@snub! the link at the footer dose pass PR! all i said is, a sidebar link has more importance. there is no way to conferm these things, but then when you sponsor you can also sponsor sidebar links! right!

For me, sponsoring templates helps you get some relevant links which give traffic and boosts your anchor text! so it isn't all that bad! and again, sidebar links are better dosenot mean footer links are useless!!

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 5:25 am

Why would a footer link have less importance than a footer link uttoransen? Is there any reason link A is better than link B, do google even know how to differentiate from one another?

balkanboy

Aug 13th 2007, 5:27 am

sorry for the late responce!
yes the footer links carries less importance, and the top or sidebar links have more value for passing PR or boosting serps! Am speaking out of experience, but i would love to see what others have to say on this!

Having said that, every backlink matters, and when i say less importance it dosenot mean no-importance. But then a link on the sidebar will have a lot more importance!:)

If we are speaking about machines and not humans, only thing that matters is html code order. Most of designs will have sidebar just above footer in html, so even if your theory is correct, difference between sidebar and footer links is so small that must be irrelevant.
If we speak about traffic link can pass, it really depends on specific case. For example if sponsor link is on sidebar with 20 more links(which is usually the case), footer link will pass more traffic, especially because people want to see who provided a template if they like it.

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 5:28 am

Why would a footer link have less importance than a footer link uttoransen? Is there any reason link A is better than link B, do google even know how to differentiate from one another?

what!!:eek::eek:

All i said was! a sidebar link has more importance than a footer link! If this is wrong prove it!:o

@balkanboy - i guess sponsored link, wheather it is in footer or sidebar, traffic will be the same! but i think! i repeat, i only think[don't ask me to prove it]! that the links on top of the sites matters more than the links at the bottom! may be slightly!

balkanboy

Aug 13th 2007, 5:29 am

SearchBuster

Aug 13th 2007, 5:29 am

I don't think having a link in the footer is less important for PR but having one above the fold will do wonders for traffic.

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 5:39 am

Why would a footer link have less importance than a footer link uttoransen? Is there any reason link A is better than link B, do google even know how to differentiate from one another?

am not getting your point! you have said,

"footer link have less importance than footer link"
is it a type! do you mean :
"footer link have less importance than sidebar link"
please conferm this!

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 5:42 am

Type A would be footer link, Type B would be sidebar link, what's the difference, they're both links?

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 6:32 am

Type A would be footer link, Type B would be sidebar link, what's the difference, they're both links?

there is a slight bit of difference! the bot reads the pages from top to bottom and from left to right! so the top links or sidebar links gets more exposure than the bottom footer link!

may be this makes a slight difference, not much! but IMHO this point of mine is not all that wrong!:o

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 6:37 am

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 6:50 am

I know the algo's of a bot, but they read it all anyway so it really doesn't make any difference at all where you put the link as long as it can be read. It can be high in the page it would be no better than bottom, I may be wrong but dont think so.

the problem is the same, you can't prove me wrong, and i can't prove this thing correct!!

also, in text link ads, i have seen that they pay more for top links than footer links! the sidebar links sells at higher rates than footer links everywhere!!
anyways, cheers:D

mikey1090

Aug 13th 2007, 7:24 am

uttoransen

Aug 13th 2007, 7:47 am

I once read, cant remember where, that google places less emphasis on footer links. it knows the links are near the end of the file and not embedded in content, so knows they are often paid links etc. I dunno if its true, you'd have to ask a google employee

may be we can start a thread in the seo section! and ask that sidebar links have more value or footer links! actually i have also read this somewhere but just can't recall!:rolleyes:

The Pheonix

Aug 13th 2007, 8:54 am

the problem is the same, you can't prove me wrong, and i can't prove this thing correct!!

also, in text link ads, i have seen that they pay more for top links than footer links! the sidebar links sells at higher rates than footer links everywhere!!
anyways, cheers:D

I'm not in the game to prove you wrong mate, not interested in that. The idea is to debate the strength of either oen, to me it looks like even stevens as long as they get indexed, an example would be an 'about us' page which nearly every site on the web has on the footer, they always get indexed well.