Cost per click going DOWN.

Lawsuit

Oct 16th 2004, 1:16 am

Yes my account was banned, but I see it this way, they can't walk over everyone forever we are going to court. They ban this account to, it will just go on my personal total for what I am sueing. ;) I am so sure we will make it to court, that I will continue to work with them and keeping track of what I make.

ANYWAYS! On the subject, is it just me? Or is everyone experiencing this. Ad costs going down. Especially for that one word we all love.

schlottke

Oct 16th 2004, 1:36 am

Well, whats this new site...

joeychgo

Oct 16th 2004, 1:43 am

good - go to court or whatever - just dont bother us with it here - take your pathetic antics elsewhere

melfan

Oct 16th 2004, 4:31 am

I guess your are pertaining to "Mesothelioma" medical term. It doesn't even cost near to 1$ so dont expect too much!

Lawsuit

Oct 16th 2004, 2:53 pm

No, I remember getting $34 a click from that word, now I only get like $.30-$1.50. No clue why... ALSO! Anyone know any IP tracking tools, so I can make sure no one clicks on my ads more then once.

SEbasic

Oct 16th 2004, 3:04 pm

You plan on tracking your own ip?

Lawsuit

Oct 16th 2004, 3:23 pm

Haha... Now comon do you have one or not.

nadlay

Oct 16th 2004, 5:04 pm

This won't stop multiple clicks from the same IP on your ads, but Adsense Tracker (http://www.related-pages.com/) will track the IPs which click on your ads, tell you which advertiser's ads were clicked, and much, much more.

Lawsuit

Oct 16th 2004, 7:38 pm

Something free...? I don't usualy buy things that don't have a demo...

nadlay

Oct 16th 2004, 9:20 pm

Something free...? I don't usualy buy things that don't have a demo...

There is a demo on their site.

Lawsuit

Oct 16th 2004, 9:27 pm

Nope, couldn't see one...

fryman

Oct 16th 2004, 10:27 pm

Something free...? I don't usualy buy things that don't have a demo...

Free??? Didn't you say that your Mommy and Daddy earn hundreds of dollars each hour? Go ask them for some cash and buy it-

NewComputer

Oct 16th 2004, 10:48 pm

and a new contender for 'forum clown champion' has entered the ring. QLL and PRBot are really going to have to pull up their socks.

Lawsuit

Oct 17th 2004, 2:06 am

Well fryman, jew is in my blood. (I don't care what you say HAHAHAHA!)

schlottke

Oct 17th 2004, 2:43 am

and yet again, he stoops to another new low...

Lawsuit

Oct 17th 2004, 3:07 am

I didn't say I was a Jew, after nazi's 9/10 the Jews died the other 1/10 stop being a Jews. Luckily my Grand-Grand-Pa was smart along with my Grand-Grand-Ma they fled to America and went atheist. I am not atheist though I know there's a god. (Even if modern science says there isn’t. I proved them wrong, like a program everything had to be written right? The code of evolution didn‘t write itself ;) I wrote it, I am god)

Lawsuit

Oct 17th 2004, 3:08 am

It's not a sin to say your god is it? ;) Can't find that rule in the book. ;)

NewComputer

Oct 17th 2004, 9:03 am

It's not a sin to say your god is it? ;) Can't find that rule in the book. ;)

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.... it is in the commandments. You'll figure it out after it is too late.

anthonycea

Oct 17th 2004, 9:16 am

Cool down guys and try not to attack each other non stop, at least make some attempt to help this young guy.

If Shawn has not banned him try to give him respect like any other member, try to help him :)

fryman

Oct 17th 2004, 4:48 pm

It is just too difficult trying to help out a 6 year old kid...

SEbasic

Oct 17th 2004, 4:56 pm

15 - at least he's trying...

Chill out lawsuit, and don't be blasphemous...

Doesn't look great...

fryman

Oct 17th 2004, 5:03 pm

At least he's trying what? Stealing money from advertisiers with false clicks?

Geez... how can you defend such scum

SEbasic

Oct 17th 2004, 5:09 pm

I'm not defending shit... And I am certianly not defending this kid's behavior and attitude...

I'm just saying that...

Well, I'm not really saying anything.

I just know that when I was 15, I was an Idiot...

I'm sure most of us were (As this kid is)...

Just give him a break.
____

And I certianly wouldn't condone fake clicks... Not only are you cheating G, but you are cheating yourself too...

anthonycea

Oct 17th 2004, 5:09 pm

Scum is not a good word for a human being Fryman, he is a 15 year old kid, if you work with him he may come around and find out that he can learn from other people.

Just quit attacking him and attempt to communicate kindly, it is hard when he makes smart ass remarks, but we are older and have to at least try to understand and help.

You be a leader instead of trying to bury the kid.

digitalpoint

Oct 17th 2004, 5:13 pm

It's kind of funny when you think about it. He publicly admits to violating Google's AdSense terms in 3 different (major) ways and a few minor ways as well.

Oh well, when I was 15 I remember I used to look out for ways to get rich quick too, so... :) Took me until I was about 19 to realize it's a lot less effort to make money legitimately. heh

anthonycea

Oct 17th 2004, 5:21 pm

This kid could be the next Shawn then, so everyone just back off, if you do not want to help him, just don't post.

If Shawn does not ban him he is a member and we are not supposed to attack other members.

Yes, I can understand if he pisses us off and we make a post in anger, but for all of us to attack a 15 year old kid, that makes the entire forum look bad.

fryman

Oct 17th 2004, 6:33 pm

What makes the forum look bad is letting such SCUM post here.

I use adwords, do you think I like the idea of some stupid kid clicking on my ads, cheating Google and making me waste my money??

WTF do you mean with " if you do not want to help him, just don't post."??? This punk should be kicked out of here, he is a damn cheater, why would you want to help such a person??????

Dammit, now I am really pissed off, people like this kid are the last thing advertisers need, and now you want to "help" him.

Lawsuit

Oct 17th 2004, 8:33 pm

Your using the fact that I am 15 against me? It's people like you that make teens like me lie about there age, you guys aren't going to cause me to lie, but think of the 100's of people my age who will read this forum and go "Wow I am 15 too, but I don't want people to use that against me so now I will just say im 23" and trust me people will do that because of you guys. Not me I assure you. You guys aren't the only ones using my age against me, I am active to about 20 other forums 10 times bigger then this one, and I get hit in the head a lot, (infact if it was real life I would be lop sided) but I don't care, you guys are the immature ones, trying to use my age against me only because I willingly came out and told you. Sorry, but you guys are pathetic. Now my 15 year old ass has a spanish test to study for.

Peace.

anthonycea

Oct 17th 2004, 9:02 pm

Why don't you attempt to help him learn the right way to operate Fryman, is calling him scum and banning him from the forum going to stop click fraud?

Why not help him if you think he can do better, you could help him change if he is doing wrong, does that not help you as you claim.

Does calling him scum and banning him help stop the problems?

dejaone

Oct 17th 2004, 9:38 pm

If he's 15, it's our chance to show good side of growups. Eeveryone (growup) was 15 once.

Lawsuit

Oct 18th 2004, 1:52 pm

You are joking right? THE ONLY TIME I HAVE EVER HAD FALSE CLICKS WAS ON THE FIRST ACCOUNT I EVER HAD! (I have had 2 prior to my current one which adds up to... I don't have my calculator you do the math) I was new, I was stupid, please don't tell me we all haven't done this once. My second account was 100% legit, they got suspicious because someone *COUGH* made $1,016.23 in one day then when the cost per click went down the next month for meso, someone *COUGH* only made 239.76 . It's not my fault there cost per click went down, but they banned me anyways, nothing I could do about it. That’s just one POSSIBLE reason why, if what they say is true, that there were invalid clicks on my site, I know a few people who might have done that.

So either way if you support me, it doesn't mean you support "Invalid Clicks". Your acting like our president with your "if you support French fries, your supporting terrorism, because over time, France not invading Iraq has caused terrorist to be stronger causing them to have more offspring terrorist, and so on and so forth... whew look an air plane. DOPE! *Bush watches a banner of her daughter in a threesome with a black cowboy attached to the plane* (you know those planes with the banners that fly over the beach...)". Please, don't be another George W. Bush, one is more then enough.
- I'm John Kerry and I approve this message.

By the way, French Fries isn't even from France, and the French never cared for it being called "French Fries" anyways. If anything it should be called Irish Fries, that’s were it comes from. Shows how ignorant George Bush really is. He thinks all proceeds from McDonalds goes to the "Support a Terrorist" foundation. Just look at his face... makes you want to laugh, looks like a clown without make up.

lorien1973

Oct 18th 2004, 2:08 pm

Uh...Okay.

Infiniterb

Oct 18th 2004, 2:59 pm

Mmmm.... French Fries.

hurricane_sh

Oct 18th 2004, 3:04 pm

Lawsuit: Do me a favor, change your avatar, it's so dazzling.

NewComputer

Oct 18th 2004, 3:06 pm

Absolutely 15 years of age and a mild case of A.D.D if you ask me. No, we have not ALL clicked invalid clicks. I think there may be leeway when you start to get and idea of what ads are being displayed, but not for invalid clicks for profit.

Lawsuit

Oct 18th 2004, 6:50 pm

anthonycea

Oct 18th 2004, 6:53 pm

Hey Little John, you are being nice tonight, that is the way to go, I think the members will accept you around here if you take it a bit slower and think about what you are posting.

Keep on "Little John".

NewComputer

Oct 18th 2004, 7:16 pm

I never said anyone did invalid clicks I am just stating that google deleted my first account because I clicked on my ad once, I suppose I can take that blow to the stomic, but the fact they deleted my second account for ABSOLUTLY NO REASON THAT'S IN THERE TOS That I should Have been deleted. I got to go bye.

Well, maybe the first time you were banned for fraud was reason enough to ban you the second time for no reason. It would be for me.

schlottke

Oct 18th 2004, 7:48 pm

That'd be my guess too- we live and we learn.

digitalpoint

Oct 18th 2004, 7:54 pm

I never said anyone did invalid clicks I am just stating that google deleted my first account because I clicked on my ad once, I suppose I can take that blow to the stomic, but the fact they deleted my second account for ABSOLUTLY NO REASON THAT'S IN THERE TOS That I should Have been deleted. I got to go bye.
Actually, you said you were clicking your own ads (plural) via a proxy server. :)

Lawsuit

Oct 21st 2004, 2:31 pm

Hey guys, whats up with the cost per click here... All the sudden its like down, down, down, then for a day it goes UP, then down, down down...

My click through rates are great, impressions are excelent, everything is going fine and my traffic is climbing, but still cost keeps going down, I haven't even noticed it until I look up at last week, they keep bringing it down like 1 cent each day, then to make you stick with them they push meso back up to about 1.20 then the flood it back down to like 40 cents. Last month on the old account I had meso was worth 30 bucks what the hell happend, google got rich off of me and banned my account. Whatever that money they approved before they shut me down is going to small claims court so it's pretty much in the bank...

digitalpoint

Oct 21st 2004, 2:34 pm

Do you think the AdWords advertisers that are actually paying you are generating sales/leads from your traffic? Because if not, they will stop running their ads on your site.

That's what it really comes down to.... supply vs. demand and ROI.

Lawsuit

Oct 21st 2004, 3:09 pm

It's mesothelioma man, all they need is one 6-10 million dollar case from my site, and they will get more then 10,000 times there return... Jeez, meso attorneys don't get demand anyways, all they need is one case a month from the over 200,000 meso site, and they get there return and more, I am sure they find at least 20-30 poor basted dieing of mesothelioma who end up with them each month, that's more then enough to give 60$ per click, you guys act like there being generous or something. Like there giving out free money, you guys are dumbasses, everyone who is human is a target for these ads, whether they were around duck tap, paint ANYTHING these attorneys will take it, they'll send you to the doctor, pay the doctor off to say you have meso, and bam! They get a case... Meso attorneys are stealing from us even when they give 60$ a click, and now they have the nuts to give 40 cents just because everyone else is stupid and thinks there being generous. Wow guys, you know these attorneys do read posts right? You shouldn't keep saying "wow meso gives so much money, everyone make a meso site" you should say "these meso attorneys are rich pigs paying 40 cents a click for what they get back 1/100,000 clicks which is 6-10 million dollars." Common guys, get your shit straight, $60 IS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING, so stop saying it's great, because now meso sites only make 40 cents a click thanks to all you fags that keep posting how great it is, if you happy with it then keep your mouth shut. You don't go to a fucking car dealer and say "wow this deal is great I will take it" you tell the dealer "hmmm, bring it lower, lower... hmmm I guess I will take it but throw in leather seats". All I can say it all you guys are dumbasses, not one of you here is smart, EVERY FUCKING ONE OF YOU READING THIS IS A COMPLETE AND FUCKING DUMBASS! IF YOU HAVE EVER SAID MESO PAYS GREAT YOUR THE FUCKING REASON MESO COSTS 40 CENTS THEY CAN PAY $20,000 A CLICK IF YOU COMPLAIN OR THEY CAN SAVE MONEY IF YOU ALL SAY "WOW THIS IS GREAT DUR DUR DUR". I AM ALMOST 16 AND I KNOW THIS, YOU GUYS ARE 20-60 AND YOUR ALL MORE PATHETIC THEN ME!!!

digitalpoint

Oct 21st 2004, 3:18 pm

So basically what you are saying is that since $60 is "nothing" to someone, they should pay you $60 per click for nothing? (Not even a lead, much less a case)

debunked

Oct 21st 2004, 3:25 pm

So basically what you are saying is that since $60 is "nothing" to someone, they should pay you $60 per click for nothing? (Not even a lead, much less a case)
ROFL

ROFL again... Shawn don't embarrass the poor kid, you might ruin his self asteem. /<sarcasm>

someone needs to get his mommy in his room - this kid needs an attitude adjustment..

hurricane_sh

Oct 21st 2004, 3:34 pm

It's amazing that people are always able to build sites upon demand other than interests or experience.

schlottke

Oct 21st 2004, 3:36 pm

How would you know how to talk to a car dealer- you can't even drive yet kid.

Lawsuit

Oct 21st 2004, 3:41 pm

Did you even read what I said? I said that if you were happy with what you made then you should have kept your mouth shut, they can easily make is worth $500 per click and it would be no thorn in there side, but you guys keep saying it's so much money, they make 6-10 million dollars a case and they get a case at average 1/2,000 visitors, this only costs them $120,000, and it's such a small investment for there 6-10 million dollar cases. If you think about it they were ripping us off at $60 a click, now we are getting $0.60 a click because you people are stupid, that's as nice as I can put it. If you do the math, even if they paid $500 a click they are still only spending $1,000,000 to get one person (at average) and they end up with 6-10 times there investment. But if you guys are going to keep saying "these people are crazy there giving $60 a click" wouldn't you try to save some money if it wouldn't hurt you? I sure would too if I went to forums hearing people say "wow this is cool dur dur dur" stop being Buttheads, if you want to say anything, complain, as I stated before:

You don't go to a fucking car dealer and say "wow this deal is great I will take it" you tell the dealer "hmmm, bring it lower, lower... hmmm I guess I will take it but throw in leather seats".

I don't blame anyone but the people who keep acting like meso lawyers are giving free money. You guys don't understand $60 is NOT a lot of money, as I said before these attorneys only need one case. Now thanks to you guys and you talking they dropped the price to $0.40-$1.20. I am almost 16, if I can understand how they work, I am definitly sad to see that people 20-60 don't see this... It's very sad, all I can say is god have mercy on your souls. Everywhere I go I am surrounded by dumbasses, it's really frustrating, I just wish I could sit next to someone with half the knowledge I have and share our knowledge with each other...

schlottke

Oct 21st 2004, 3:48 pm

Assuming they got a case in every 2000 clicks- which is probably VERY unlikely with all of the fraud...

An attorney makes around 30% of the case, and an average mesothelioma claim was actually around 2.4 million in 2000-2003, that was before the companies being sued went bankrupt. An attorney in those cases would make 500,000$ profit. This is like any other type of lawsuit, they don't stay around forever.... hopefully you won't either. *pun intended.*

digitalpoint

Oct 21st 2004, 3:51 pm

Man... I don't even know what to say about that one... but I did laugh until I cried (no joke).

Funny though how everyone in the world is a dumbass because we don't have half the knowledge you have, yet all these dumbasses make tenfold what you make with AdSense.

As far as lawyers (or anyone) paying you anything per click, I think it might have been 11th or 12th grade economics where you learn about supply and demand. But here's a little preview for you... AdWords publishers aren't competing with AdSense publishers to see how little they can pay them. AdWords is basically an auction system, and they bid against other AdWords publishers. Not only that, but they have the ability to block running their ads on any site they wish. So what it really comes down to is no AdWords publisher is willing to pay more than about $0.75 to Google for clicks coming from your site. If your site generated a decent percentage of legitimate leads for them, AdWords publishers would be bidding against each other like crazy and probably run the cost per click up to $80 or $100. AdWords and AdSense works based on the laws of supply and demand, and as it is right now, the demand for AdWords publishers to run their ads on your site is fairly small. It will be a high CPC in the beginning as AdWords publishers see how it works for a couple days. Basically to see if running ads on your site yields any return for them. If it doesn't, then their advertising dollars are better spent by lowering what they are willing to pay on your site, or move on another site completely.

schlottke

Oct 21st 2004, 3:55 pm

Boy Shawn, I've got to give you credit for your patience, honestly, I'm very impressed that you still take time trying to help him.

Lawsuit

Oct 21st 2004, 3:56 pm

For the record most attornys take 40%, No, it's not unlikely at all, I don't know what you mean by "fraud" most meso sites just inform you. I will be honest, I thought my testicles had something wrong with them (I know to much information) so I searched on the internet for possible causes, I am sure there are many people who do the same for meso, chestpains, other things of that sort, and they end up click on the ad, of those people atleast 1/20 of them sue, I found a physician through click on someones ad for physicians in my area (by the way I am ok, I was weight lifting to much, he said nothing happend yet, just need to wear a cup, there was no lose fat in my testical sack so I don't have cancer, he laughed at me when I asked him) anyways, I have no clue where I am going with this...

Ok, what I am saying, is that people who search the internet for reason why there chest hurts, and other things like that or who went to there doctor and heard they have meso, will usualy find a site, sort of like mine, and they will click on the ad, they will get redirected 1/20 of those people WILL INDEED have a case. So yes we are most definaty getting fucked over on this deal...

In reply to what shawn said, there is no supply and demand, they will take as many cases as they come, don't you see meso commercials on TV, they have unlimited supply, there firms are big enough to take as many claims that come, and demand, there is little demand for it meso attorney, alwas was, alwas will be, that why they to get to everyone they can through these ads. What your talking about is like shoes and CD's, these things, the only reason why they would go down in price is because of people complaining, I don't have time to argue with you guys, you don't even get my point, people keep saying that it's too much money and they all come together (the firms) and say let's all have a steady bid of $0.40-$1.20, and they do, simple as that, just because no one really seems to care between earning $60 and $0.40.

I am finished.

Peace.

SEbasic

Oct 21st 2004, 3:59 pm

Jesus christ kid...

You really need to go away...

Do you realise how much you sound like a complete moron...

Grow up man...

Why bother to argue...

You look like a twat.

digitalpoint

Oct 21st 2004, 4:00 pm

Well maybe you should tell other lawyers to start advertising on AdWords to drive the cost up for the ones that are already doing it. That actually would have more use for you than crying on a forum that some AdWords publishers aren't paying as much as they could afford.

Better yet, just sue the lawyers that have ads showing on your site for not paying you enough. :)

debunked

Oct 21st 2004, 4:06 pm

Shawn's patience is now running thin.... Lawsuit should wait to post again...

fryman

Oct 21st 2004, 5:59 pm

lol... I guess Anthonycea is the only one that thinks that this guy deserves some hope...

This guy reminds me of a fly, no matter how much you try to get rid of it, it still comes back from the crap and bugs you.

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 8:53 am

Guys, I can't believe what google is paying me today for meso. There only paying at average $0.21745 a click, this is serous guys. If I quit google now, will I get the money I earned up tell now? Because for this crap, I will move to fucking clicksor.com, they give you $0.30 at average for there regular ads, and they send you instant pay pal when you hit $20, and I recommend everyone to move to clicksor so there ads are worth more. Right now google is going to an all time low, when even meso is only worth $0.21. I use to just recommend clicksor for people who don't run meso sites, but now that this shit is happening, damn...

So my question is...

Can I quit google, take down there ads and still get next months check?

- John

P.S. AdSense blows...

www.clicksor.com ads officialy pay more then AdSense ads, try it for one day, you'll see the difference. If we all move with them, there ad prices will even go higher, they pay check or instant pay pal every time you hit $20-$100 (depending on what you request) if you run a meso site, you have noticed that the ads are so cheap now... let's do this guys.

digitalpoint

Oct 22nd 2004, 8:56 am

Yes, you can take off Google ads and still get a check for the money you earned. Also, it's AdWords publishers that are paying you $0.21 per click, not Google... So you should take it up with them.

lorien1973

Oct 22nd 2004, 8:56 am

Its not a function of how many people show clicksor ads; its a function of how many people bid on clicksor and advertise on it; which isn't many.

Why so stuck on meso? If there weren't so many crap meso sites out there; the CPC would still be high. If meso pays low, make a site with a better payout.

digitalpoint

Oct 22nd 2004, 9:05 am

Lawsuit - you will do much better with AdSense when you realize it's AdWords publishers paying you for qualified traffic, not Google paying you for clicks.

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:00 am

I was told that there are tons of words pay more then a buck in AdSense. That's why I joined. Does anyone know good paying words (I am not even looking for words that pay $60 anymore) just anything thats pays like 1-100 bucks a click.

Anyone know good paying words? I think meso is out of the game I lost the link to that website that says the worth of each ad. Outlook or something, outquest... anyways I just need a good paying word thats all.

Thanks guys,

-John

P.S. So all I am asking is anyone know a good paying ad?

SEbasic

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:01 am

Overture...

Look it up yourself.

lorien1973

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:03 am

I think you should spend the time and make a good site for visitors, instead of trying to find high paying clicks and trying to get "real" clicks and make money. Make a good site, and the money will come - no matter what the topic is or how much is paid for each click.

melfan

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:09 am

I am using clicksor and I have a news for you. They sucks. They cannot even be compared to adsense in terms of cost per click.

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:13 am

Ok, It's called Overture I know, but what's the direct link to the current biddings.

SEbasic

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:14 am

Find it for yourself.

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:15 am

I know what it was, I just never cared to add it to favorites. Please SEbasic?
Awww.. Comon man, I could look in other forums but this forum is kind of like my home now. Be a pal... make me feel at home.
Nevermind I found it, thanks anyways...

melfan

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:21 am

http://uv.bidtool.overture.com/d/USm/search/tools/bidtool/

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:27 am

Yeah, thanks superman. I found it too.

One problem, they need to update there site. Meso is worth $0.21 average.

Hey, how can I sign up with overture...?

Are they a company for ads?

SEbasic

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:58 am

Yes, if you have 1,000,000 visitors a month.

Do you have that?

Refreshing the page doesn't count.

digitalpoint

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:58 am

You need to generate more than 2 million searches per month.

http://www.content.overture.com/d/USm/ps/cm.jhtml

debunked

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:59 am

I knew SE would be answering that question.

I sense your patients is all but gone, go take a break, and enjoy life free of lawsuit's. PUN intended.

Lawsuit

Oct 22nd 2004, 1:26 pm

LMFAO, I am not even close, I get about 12,000-20,000 uniq visitors a month =/ and about 100,000 page views a month... I need 10x that which is nearly impossible, although my target group is large, not many people need game programs and stuff (e.g., hacks, cheats, stuff like that) most people are into playing games "fairly" whatever that means...

melfan

Oct 22nd 2004, 11:10 pm

not many people need game programs and stuff (e.g., hacks, cheats, stuff like that)

not on my observation. regions specially outside america like china, india and high populated area have great interest on these type of contents. but why concentrate on these unfair stuffs if you can make a "fair" topics.

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 2:48 am

Guys, I am very disapointed and concerned... I have had 25 click so far (it's almost 3 AM) and I only earned $1.20 someone tell me it's not just me... this is fucked up shit man!

anthonycea

Oct 23rd 2004, 3:43 am

Hey Little John, I think what folks are trying to tell you is the same thing I told you before.

Put up good content for your visitors, become a good publisher and webmaster.

Look at a few magazines and newspapers, they put out good articles, photos and headlines so that folks want to buy advertising on their pages.

That is the same thing you want to do with your web pages and that is what Shawn is trying to explain to you.

Next, some of the folks around here are just like you, they put up pages just to get clicks for ADSENSE, but some of them seem to hold their heads up high and take shots at a 15 year old for whatever reason :confused:

You will be alright John, just slow down a bit, learn more, quit trying to pull off automated scams to drive traffic. Most of all listen to Shawn who has forgot more about this subject than most members combined know about it.

Just settle down, be kind and try to learn, don't be such a smart ass then people will help you.

Even SE will be on your side if you slow down and listen.

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 6:29 am

Hmm, I forgot what's normal for me, what time is it... EHHHHH... so late/early, I need some sleep... I think I am back on track, 13.-- bucks I think thats normal for 6 AM but then again as I said before my audience is pretty much 80% koreans, and damn them they sleep during our day... I have to fucking stay up korean time LMFAO just so I can make sure I am reaching my korean audience, fucking koreans, causing me to be an insomnia... ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I cant think straight good night guys

POOP! PEEP!!! PPOOOPPOOO!!! POOO POOO!!! MEW RARR!!!

;D

Peace.

Weirfire

Oct 23rd 2004, 7:11 am

Is there really any need for swearing?

anthonycea

Oct 23rd 2004, 7:15 am

I don't think Little John likes to read or gain any understanding from others, maybe only when he wants to.

But we will break him of the "young smart ass" posts if we keep working on him. :)

Weirfire

Oct 23rd 2004, 7:16 am

Compar would be able to tell him a thing or 2 ;)

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 2:50 pm

Sorry, it was like 7 AM when I went to bed...

Hey guys, tell me if I should be suspicious of these visitors:

10-23-2004 15:40 proxyche01.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:40 proxyche04.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:38 proxyche01.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:38 proxyche04.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:38 proxyche04.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:38 proxyche04.sj4.marketscore.com
10-23-2004 15:37 ip70-179-161-99.dl.dl.cox.net
10-23-2004 15:37 ip70-179-161-99.dl.dl.cox.net
10-23-2004 15:36 c-24-126-136-44.we.client2.attbi.com
10-23-2004 15:36 c-24-126-136-44.we.client2.attbi.com

It's not really there time frame that's wierd to me, it's the fact that (as you can see) there is some guy with the IP10-23-2004 15:40 proxyche01.sj4.marketscore.com then right after that there's a guy with 10-23-2004 15:40 proxyche04.sj4.marketscore.com

Also there's a lot of visitors with the IP of Telia, I know this is a Europe network, but I don't no how big it is, I think it might be AT&T big or something, because most of my Europian clients use it.

Getting a Web tracker has been the worst thing I have every done, I am worried to death...

Another question of mine is, if I have a suspision should I report it to AdSense? Or should I just try to ignore it???

anthonycea

Oct 23rd 2004, 2:55 pm

You worry way too much, just put up your pages and do not commit click fraud and you will be fine.

How many times do we have to tell you the same thing, do you read any of the posts in these theads when we respond or do you just use them so you can post and ask another question?

You learn more with your ears (in this case your eyes) than your mouth (in this case your posts).

Get it together John, were you not to change your user name?

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 2:58 pm

Ok, alright, so hopefuly gogle won't count those clicks... ;O *YAWN* just woke up, yeah really though it's normal for that to happen I suppose, alright thanks anthony

schlottke

Oct 23rd 2004, 3:09 pm

If you aren't doing anything wrong, there is nothing to worry about. There is also never a reason to have to report anything to Google, they'll catch it- don't worry.

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 3:34 pm

Yeah, but if I report it first, they won't ban me :D

schlottke

Oct 23rd 2004, 3:59 pm

They won't ban you if it isn't you cheating anyway.

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 6:05 pm

(NOTE: This messages is a waste of time -John *Just thought you should know* if you don't have time don't bother with this one, otherwise enjoy!)

I got a guys account banned who started catching on to what I was doing in the chat room the first day he started then a week later his account was banned, :D maybe it wasn't me though... it's possible like everyone on there first account he clicked on his own ad once... (I don't like that rule, do you?) I could understand how a test click is bad for AdWord people, but if it's from the same IP they should just not count it, how simple is that, who has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER on ANY of there ACCOUNTS EVER clicked on there ad once in there life NO MATTER FROM WHERE! Just once, for me, it doesn't even make a difference, I get so many visitors and clicks that if I click on it, I don't even cause my CTR to go up 0.00001%, but even so clicking on my ad once on my first account ever (not second which I have decided we will go to very soon guys HANG IN THERE!) is normal, it's wrong, but it's normal, everyone has done it, if you say you haven't then thats bs, heck on my first account I thought I could get away with clicking on my ads with proxies, (I know it's stupid, but so was I) second account I didnt get banned until about 3 weeks into it, no clue... ANYWAYS GOT TO GO!

Peace.

anthonycea

Oct 23rd 2004, 6:11 pm

Dude you are a young and funny kid, that is really all I can say, gota go get some sleep, this forum has wore me out today.

Be cool John :)

Lawsuit

Oct 23rd 2004, 6:15 pm

Ok anthony night

paradox

Oct 24th 2004, 7:58 am

heck on my first account I thought I could get away with clicking on my ads with proxies
and you wonder why that account or any other account you may have gets banned :confused: and you want to sue google :confused: :rolleyes:

Lawsuit

Oct 24th 2004, 8:12 am

I'm not sueing google for that first account you dumbass... I legally could, if I file a claim they would be forced to pay every cent that was legit that I earned (if I won which is very likley that we will come to an agreement either outside of court or inside, either way, every cent that anyone earns legit is by law suppose to be givin before they are "fired" or "terminated" whatever they want to call it. You can fire someone at the end of the week, when paycheck is due, and say you busted for what you did in the beginning of the month, not only is that wrong, IT'S THE LAW! Doesn't matter what the person did, every cent earned legit is keepable.

BUT I AM NOT EVEN CHASING THAT ACCOUNT! That's the point, I could, but I am not, I am fileing for my second account along witht he accounts of everyone who has e-mailed me. My second account is indeed legiti from first click to last, they have nothing on me... so in other words, whether we come to an agreement I consider that money in the piggy bank. ;) So don't worry about my second account, or my third one that I currently have.

People ask me why after having one account banned, I am going for a second one... That is because I am so sure that I will get that I will get my money through the court, that I am willing to add to my claim. Why am I so sure? Because! They have got nothing on me! If I had the slightess doubt that they had something on me, you think I would be here? Or that I would just say, "you know what I messed up." Thing is, aslong as when you go to court, they can't prove you did something wrong, the court will immediatly order them to pay you what they owe.

I am sleepy, night...

digitalpoint

Oct 24th 2004, 8:53 am

Except you keep forgetting you aren't allowed to have a 2nd account in the first place. So the entire account is not valid (including any clicks).

fryman

Oct 24th 2004, 10:18 am

Keep dreaming, kid... :rolleyes:

Lawsuit

Oct 24th 2004, 5:05 pm

That's there TOS agreement*, and also my first account was set to me, I was using my #ss and my name I just said I was 25 instead of 15.

Most things in the terms of service go out the window in a court room. Especially things that are not rules, they are just explaining what they "think" there rights are. Most all of there rules might stand in court, but when they do something that disregards there rule (like allowing someone to come back with the same fucking #ss) then they are just asking for trouble if they go to court. Once they except you into AdSense, you start fresh, whether TOS says it or not, your a new person, (even if you had 10 accounts) they most likely know if you have had 10 accounts after all, they just have too Ctrl+F on there list of current members.

So please don't bring up TOS anymore, it's just one page with .php coding on it there to make you feel hopeless if your account is banned (it seems to have worked on the dummer people *COUGH* DigitalPoint) Anyone who brings up TOS should just know, they are stupid, and that agreeing to that only goes so far in a lawsuit, people can easily say they page didn't come up for them which doesn't really mater even if it did, it's just .html code on a .php page built to look like a monster and only a dumbasses would fear it. A signed contract how ever is another thing which I won't even touch.