re: Making money from Adsense on Video sites

[jgjg]

I want to compile online videos from various sites and put adsense on there.

has anyone tried this model.

I'm talking > 500 videos

let me know experience/issues/ideas.

thx

[Tearabite]

I havn't tried it, but you'll have to be careful that you don't get into any copyright issues..

[FanAddict]

I agree with what Tearabite said.

I have contacted google on this issue, and unless you OWN or have a leased license for the video, you cannot display adsense on your page with the video.

Youtube videos are the same deal, do you have permission to use the videos? Just because they are there, and allow you to link to it doesn't mean you do.

[jgjg]

if they allow the embed code option then they authorize it as far as I can tell

[w3bmaster]

Well it can make some money now depends on what videos you concentrate

Music Videos

Educational Videos

Enterteinment Funny Videos

[danimal]

if they allow the embed code option then they authorize it as far as I can tell

that's what most people think, and it's dead wrong.

all of those embed codes are for non-commercial use only, per the tos of the video website.

if you break the tos, you no longer have copyright permission to use the video clip... so while it appears that adsense support is ignoring that, you could still be on the hook for copyright violations.

[Nystul]

It will be good money is you are able to do that, I used to do Football Videos site, and the traffic climbed fast, and the adsense is making lots. Over 1k a month ..

[FanAddict]

that's what most people think, and it's dead wrong.

all of those embed codes are for non-commercial use only, per the tos of the video website.

if you break the tos, you no longer have copyright permission to use the video clip... so while it appears that adsense support is ignoring that, you could still be on the hook for copyright violations.

Thank you! No one seems to understand this.

[jon2k6]

I do not think there are any copyright issues with embedding YouTube videos.

I do it lots and Adsense have checked out my site many times and said it is fine.

They are YOUTUBE'S responsibility, not yours. If the video itself is in violation of copyright, that's upto YouTube to sort out and doesn't mean you are breaching copyright or that your site is. The video files are not on your server nor do they have you logo in the flipping corner.

Embedding videos is fine with adsense.

[FanAddict]

I do not think there are any copyright issues with embedding YouTube videos.

I do it lots and Adsense have checked out my site many times and said it is fine.

They are YOUTUBE'S responsibility, not yours. If the video itself is in violation of copyright, that's upto YouTube to sort out and doesn't mean you are breaching copyright or that your site is. The video files are not on your server nor do they have you logo in the flipping corner.

Embedding videos is fine with adsense.


I guess you never read Youtubes TOS.

3. Website Access

A. YouTube hereby grants you permission to use the Website as set forth in this Terms of Service, provided that: (i) your use of the Website as permitted is solely for your personal, noncommercial use; (ii) you will not copy or distribute any part of the Website in any medium without YouTube's prior written authorization; (iii) you will not alter or modify any part of the Website other than as may be reasonably necessary to use the Website for its intended purpose; and (iv) you will otherwise comply with the terms and conditions of these Terms of Service.


So, all someone needs to do is report you to either youtube or adsense, because you ARE violating a copyright and usage agreement.

[jon2k6]

That is not true, you are looking into the meanings wrongly.

YouTube automatically give you the permission to embed their videos.

If they do not they should make their rules more clear, i've seen hundreds of sites with YouTube videos and Adsense on the same page.

[FanAddict]

That is not true, you are looking into the meanings wrongly.

YouTube automatically give you the permission to embed their videos.

If they do not they should make their rules more clear, i've seen hundreds of sites with YouTube videos and Adsense on the same page.


No im not looking at it all wrong.
Look at ANY major video site like youtube, they all have the same TOS and it's clear.

DO NOT use our videos on commercial sites.


Heck if you think you are right, give me your sites URL and we can try out your theory!

[dopiitv]

Videos that you display must all be copyrighted by you, ran into this with my site dopetv.net (sig)
Thanks
Mike

[jon2k6]

Well FanAddict I've just emailed Adsense support with this question of weather or not it is ok to use adsense on the same page as an emeded video such as a YouTube vid so we'll soon find out wont we.

As for your point about YouTube's TOS, I am not breaking that either, I don't own any commercial sites, I own fansites and such and such.

Commercial means owned by a company or sponsored, Adsense doesn't make a site commercial because they are not directly linked in prospect with the site, they are independant ads.

We'll find out when this reply comes in anyway.

[FanAddict]

Well FanAddict I've just emailed Adsense support with this question of weather or not it is ok to use adsense on the same page as an emeded video such as a YouTube vid so we'll soon find out wont we.

As for your point about YouTube's TOS, I am not breaking that either, I don't own any commercial sites, I own fansites and such and such.

Commercial means owned by a company or sponsored, Adsense doesn't make a site commercial because they are not directly linked in prospect with the site, they are independant ads.

We'll find out when this reply comes in anyway.



Commercial means if you are making money from your website.

Email the adsense support all you want. I have done so in the past myself what they told me was:

You can only use videos that you own the copyright to or have a leased license.

I see your not giving me your url :)

I hate when people come into the forum and give advice they obviously know nothing about.

[jon2k6]

Oh yeh sorry because your the know it all master of knowledge.

You can only use videos that you own the copyright to or have a leased license.

Exactly, and the videos on YOUTUBE'S server are YOUTUBE'S responsibility, hence the reason everyone sues them with copyright issues, it's there responsibility.

[FanAddict]

Oh yeh sorry because your the know it all master of knowledge.



Exactly, and the videos on YOUTUBE'S server are YOUTUBE'S responsibility, hence the reason everyone sues them with copyright issues, it's there responsibility.


I DO have knowledge on this issue, as I have dealt with it in the past.

You are also missing the 2 or 3 other members in this thread who also posted what I have said.


Yes they are on youtubes servers, but once you put them onto your site, you do as well take responsibility. But that is not what we are talking about.

We are talking about COMMERCIAL USAGE of youtubes videos which is PROHIBITED by youtube (in the exact quote I gave you)

[jon2k6]

So your saying Adsense is not allowed to be placed on pages with copyright videos, even though they are not entirely your responsiblity if embeded.

What about Putfile.com then? and other sites:

http://media.putfile.com/South-Park-Matrix-56

They have adsense, with tones of copyright videos.

[FanAddict]

So your saying Adsense is not allowed to be placed on pages with copyright videos, even though they are not entirely your responsiblity if embeded.

What about Putfile.com then? and other sites:

http://media.putfile.com/South-Park-Matrix-56

They have adsense, with tones of copyright videos.

That is 100% correct.

IF the copyright holder of any of those videos contacted adsense about 'that' site, adsense would remove the ads from that domain - no questions asked.

Iv seen G ban domains because of this issue, they take it very seriously.

I'll do a search on here and see what I can come up with...

[jon2k6]

Also about the issue of your not allowed to put YouTube videos on sites which make money...

What about this: http://www.shoemoney.com/

Shoemoney posts YouTube videos sometimes, embeded, if you just scroll down you'll see one... and he has Adsense on there...

[Deano]

Yes they are on youtubes servers, but once you put them onto your site, you do as well take responsibility
I don't want to take any sides on this but Youtube makes their embedded code freely available. To get this code you don't need to sign any forms or check any boxes! Even when I join a forum I check boxes. It therefore seems that the copyright must stay with youtube.

[FanAddict]

Also about the issue of your not allowed to put YouTube videos on sites which make money...

What about this: http://www.shoemoney.com/

Shoemoney posts YouTube videos sometimes, embeded, if you just scroll down you'll see one... and he has Adsense on there...

So what? Does that make it OK? No.
If ONE person reported him to youtube or adsense for infringing on copyright claims.... that's all you need.

I don't want to take any sides on this but Youtube makes their embedded code freely available. To get this code you don't need to sign any forms or check any boxes! Even when I join a forum I check boxes. It therefore seems that the copyright must stay with youtube.

I meant that in conjunction with adsense, yes you are taking responsibility of what content you put on your site.

[Deano]

I did make a site with videos, with the intent of putting adsense on it. I read lots of posts about copyright/adsense and decided that it wasn't worth any future hassle. That's just me though, good luck to anyone who decides to go for it, and good luck to those who decide to go down different avenues :)

[jon2k6]

I meant that in conjunction with adsense, yes you are taking responsibility of what content you put on your site.

Yeh content you have on your server, the content YouTube embeds are not your responsiblity or the copyright issues of them.

If for example... you put a gambling video from YouTube on a page and Adsense with that then yeh it is your responsibility and is going against Adsense TOS as it is in relation to gambling.

But if a video is copyrighted, that is an issue to be taken up with YouTube, you do not take on any responsibility of it, it's YouTube's soley.

Also I very much doubt Shoemoney would do it if it was against TOS.

[trichnosis]

i did not suggest anybody to use adsense code on video sites. i have some friends which are banned because of their video sites

[jon2k6]

What I have isn't a video site, it just has some videos on it.

I've seen massive sites and not so massive sites do it as well as Adsense experts and up till now have heard people say it's fine so I'll take my chances.

[miguel19]

I see many sites that has adsense and embedded youtube videos..

[danimal]

Yeh content you have on your server, the content YouTube embeds are not your responsiblity or the copyright issues of them.

that is complete rubbish... ask yourself why google does not put adsense on pages with embedded video.

they don't care if people are stupid enough to break copyright laws, because it's not their butt on the line, it's yours.

we just went through this in another thread, read all of the relevant tos info:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=301511&page=9

[joshbond]

there are thousands of spammy sites that are plastered with adds and have youtube vids on them.
Not to mention all the blogger blogs that have adsnese on them and also have embedded google/youtube vids on them.

[jon2k6]

danimal you are an idiot. I checked that thread and it was made perfectly clear Adsense do allow it:

I asked:

Quote:
Two more questions:
1. The videos on YouTube and Google Videos are not considered
copyrighted content?
2. As a final step.. can I place AdSense on http://www.comicvids.com
after I add more videos and descriptions to
the movies already linked from YouTube and Google?

Google Answered:

Quote:
Hi Daniel,

Thanks for following up.

In general, if the video is allowed to be displayed on YouTube, you should
not consider it to be copyrighted material.

Also, I've reviewed comicvids.com, and it appears that it will be fine to
place Google ads on this page. If in the future we find any issues, we'll
be sure to notify you at that time.

Best regards,

Evan
The Google AdSense Team


I quote again!

if the video is allowed to be displayed on YouTube, you should
not consider it to be copyrighted material.

If it is live on YouTube they consider it not to be copyrighted. Also if YouTube are informed of a copyright video they take it down, so if something is copyrighted and removed it simply wont work on the page, therefore you are not violating the TOS.

You were proved wrong in that thread and everyone agreed it was fine BUT you, so everyone BUT you is wrong? no, you and fanaddict are both wrong but can't admit it.

Bye, idiot, i'll listen to Google and not a bigot, cretin like you.

[nickflame]

danimal you are an idiot. I checked that thread and it was made perfectly clear Adsense do allow it:



I quote again!



If it is live on YouTube they consider it not to be copyrighted. Also if YouTube are informed of a copyright video they take it down, so if something is copyrighted and removed it simply wont work on the page, therefore you are not violating the TOS.

You were proved wrong in that thread and everyone agreed it was fine BUT you, so everyone BUT you is wrong? no, you and fanaddict are both wrong but can't admit it.

Bye, idiot, i'll listen to Google and not a bigot, cretin like you.

The best post so far.rep added, cleared up some things for me.

[danimal]

In general, if the video is allowed to be displayed on YouTube, you should
not consider it to be copyrighted material..

lol... that claim was made by somebody in romania... only a complete idiot would trust his adsense account to garbage that he read on the 'net.

funny how you didn't tell us what adsense told me in that thread:

"it appears to me that google is turning a blind eye towards this youtube scraping, but i asked adsense support anyway... after a week of email exchanges:

Q: "...i want to put adsense
on the same pages as embedded video clips from youtube, metacafe,
break.com, google video, etc...what is google's specific policy on this issue? video is no longer listed in the adsense tos."

A: "...Unfortunately what you wish to do is not allowed under our policies.
Publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News
Groups, and Image Results or other copyrighted material for which they are
not the copyright owner or for which they have not received permission
from the copyright owner to publish.

Please note that it is our policy to respond to notices of alleged
infringement that comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
For AdSense publishers, if we receive a notice or otherwise have reason to
believe that your site is infringing, we may terminate your participation
in the program. More information about our DMCA process is available here
http://www.google.com/adsense_dmca.html."

[danimal]

there are thousands of spammy sites that are plastered with adds and have youtube vids on them.

there are thousands of scammers who have had their adsense accounts banned by google.

and that's not even relevant to the obvious copyright violations that youtube scrapers are guilty of.

the riaa sued a bunch of mp3 downloaders for breaking copyright laws, and right now viacom has sued google for youtube copyright violations... when will the youtube scrapers start getting sued in federal court?

how come none of you geniuses can tell us why google isn't putting adsense on youtube pages with embedded videos?

[jon2k6]

Because they get sponsored and don't need it you moron.

Well to be honest, his reply looks far more believable than yours, I think you just wrote that yourself to try give yourself some credibility.

Huge Adsense monsters such as Shoemoney do it and he checks everything so I doubt he would risk his grands a month / day just for that.

Your just a bigot and can't admit when you're wrong.

[FanAddict]

Actually that reply:


A: "...Unfortunately what you wish to do is not allowed under our policies.
Publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News
Groups, and Image Results or other copyrighted material for which they are
not the copyright owner or for which they have not received permission
from the copyright owner to publish.


Is 99% to the one I got.

Anyways, I emailed them again right after I read this thread, i'm sure I will receive the same thing back again.


jon2k6:
If you think you are SO right and you know what your doing, why not give us your URL so we can try it out? IF you know what your doing is 100% by the adsense TOS you would have no problem giving it to me.

[nickflame]

Actually that reply:




Is 99% to the one I got.

Anyways, I emailed them again right after I read this thread, i'm sure I will receive the same thing back again.


jon2k6:
If you think you are SO right and you know what your doing, why not give us your URL so we can try it out? IF you know what your doing is 100% by the adsense TOS you would have no problem giving it to me.

If you think that you do not break the tos in anyway why don t you make public your url so that we can check it?

This is just stupid to ask for an url, there are a lot of other reasons why webmasters do not want to share their url.

[FanAddict]

If you think that you do not break the tos in anyway why don t you make public your url so that we can check it?

This is just stupid to ask for an url, there are a lot of other reasons why webmasters do not want to share their url.



Well he seems to know what he's doing... so if he's not doing anything wrong... He could easily PM me it. Yet he keeps hiding it, because he knows.


He thinks he knows what he's doing yet, he has no knowledge it seems of basic TOS of both youtube and adsense.

Even when people have replied and said what they know, he just keeps disregarding it, yet where is his experience? I don't see anything...


When I post the reply from adsense tomorrow, he will probably say the exact thing "you just made that up" :rolleyes:


I don't care if jon2k6 believes what im saying or not, he'll get caught someday and learn himself. I just don't like it when people come in here on DP and spew out crap knowledge when they can't even read TOS's correctly! Then call people who KNOW what they're talking about liars!

[nuttaphong]

Well i done 1 web site but i don't put ads because earning not much

[50KAMONTH]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong because, I'm not sure, but these 2 sites started before Christmas 2006 and are doing OK.

watchgoodvideos.com (pr3) and the videosense.com (pr4)

Each site requests you add videos from anywhere including YouTube and Google, then they add Adsense to each page your video is on and if someone clicks you split the revenue 50/50 with them.

I added some and get the odd click but you really need a lot to make any real cash. With 500 videos, you might make about $2 - $3 a day???

Neil

[shutzu]

isn't it called commercial when you're selling something? using adsense on a video site you're not selling anything. Google is responsable for ads and you tube for videos. so... if a video is breaking copyright then youtube will delete it, also from your site, and if youtube doesn't delete it, then Google is guilty for selling something on your site. so.. anyhow.. you're a winner, or.. anyway.. you have nothing to lose.

[FanAddict]

isn't it called commercial when you're selling something? using adsense on a video site you're not selling anything. Google is responsable for ads and you tube for videos. so... if a video is breaking copyright then youtube will delete it, also from your site, and if youtube doesn't delete it, then Google is guilty for selling something on your site. so.. anyhow.. you're a winner, or.. anyway.. you have nothing to lose.

Nope, commercial is if your making any money what so ever from your website. (adsense included)

Yes youtube is responsible for the content, but google asks you NOT to display ads on pages with videos, and videos you do not own/have a license for.

[FanAddict]

Here is the reply from the Adsense Support issued today.



Hi Linda,

Publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with MP3, Video, News
Groups, and Image Results or other copyrighted material for which they are
not the copyright owner or for which they have not received permission
from the copyright owner to publish.

Please note that it is our policy to respond to notices of alleged
infringement that comply with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
For AdSense publishers, if we receive a notice or otherwise have reason to
believe that your site is infringing, we may terminate your participation
in the program. More information about our DMCA process is available here
http://www.google.com/adsense_dmca.html .

If anyone needs to see a screen shot, post and I will gladly provide.

Now, just wondering... people with youtube, metacafe etc videos, are you still going to use them and run the risk of losing your accounts?

[shutzu]

if I don't host a video on my site means I don't own it. As long as I don't say on my site that I own the video displayed on my site, and I don't host the video, it means I can use the video. U know those terms that sound like "you can use this image as long as you link to my site" well... I'm linking to that site and I am using the image. when that site removes the image from it's site.. it will also remove the image from my site.

p.s. I have few video blogs and google approved that I can use adsense on them.

[shutzu]

Here is the reply from the Adsense Support issued today.



If anyone needs to see a screen shot, post and I will gladly provide.

Now, just wondering... people with youtube, metacafe etc videos, are you still going to use them and run the risk of losing your accounts?

u see, this is the catch.
google can't see a video, mp3 or other copyrighted material on your site, it just sees a external link to that material. as long as the owner (youtube in this case) doesn't complains that it is a copyrighted material.. you can use it

[FanAddict]

if I don't host a video on my site means I don't own it. As long as I don't say on my site that I own the video displayed on my site, and I don't host the video, it means I can use the video. U know those terms that sound like "you can use this image as long as you link to my site" well... I'm linking to that site and I am using the image. when that site removes the image from it's site.. it will also remove the image from my site.

p.s. I have few video blogs and google approved that I can use adsense on them.



I don't think you understand. It doesn't matter if you don't host the video on your site, YOU are responsible for ALL content on your website when you are using google adsense on those pages. Hot linking or not, it's on your site, YOU are responsible.

Google approves of most sites, all you need is ONE person to report you, and you would be finished.

Try emailing adsense this:
On this page URL HERE I post videos from youtube I don't have permission from the copyright holder to use, but I hotlink from youtube so it should be ok right?


I would LOVE to see their answer.

[nickflame]

I don't think you understand. It doesn't matter if you don't host the video on your site, YOU are responsible for ALL content on your website when you are using google adsense on those pages. Hot linking or not, it's on your site, YOU are responsible.

Google approves of most sites, all you need is ONE person to report you, and you would be finished.

Try emailing adsense this:
On this page URL HERE I post videos from youtube I don't have permission from the copyright holder to use, but I hotlink from youtube so it should be ok right?


I would LOVE to see their answer.

Have you ever uploaded a video to youtube?
When you upload a video and you male it public you sign there that you give permission to youtube and all visitors to use your video; this means that if the video is on youtube you have permission to use, embed, link to it etc..
I am not sure though about the issue of commercial purposes.
I have never heard yet that someone has been banned because they used youtube videos; But i heard a lot of people that said that google reviewed their sites with youtube on them and said it is ok.

Do not rely to much on that message, with mp3 videos, etc, that is a standard email and they deliver it whenever the keyword videos, mp3 appear in your email, they do not even bother to check;
If you can get a personalized email from them, then perhaps i would believe that you are right.

[shutzu]

I don't think you understand. It doesn't matter if you don't host the video on your site, YOU are responsible for ALL content on your website when you are using google adsense on those pages. Hot linking or not, it's on your site, YOU are responsible.


So you mean that if I link to your site I'm responsible for your content?

[FanAddict]

Have you ever uploaded a video to youtube?
When you upload a video and you male it public you sign there that you give permission to youtube and all visitors to use your video; this means that if the video is on youtube you have permission to use, embed, link to it etc..
I am not sure though about the issue of commercial purposes.
I have never heard yet that someone has been banned because they used youtube videos; But i heard a lot of people that said that google reviewed their sites with youtube on them and said it is ok.

Do not rely to much on that message, with mp3 videos, etc, that is a standard email and they deliver it whenever the keyword videos, mp3 appear in your email, they do not even bother to check;
If you can get a personalized email from them, then perhaps i would believe that you are right.

Your right, that is a modified standard email.

YOU alone are responsible for content on your website, hot linked or not.


So you mean that if I link to your site I'm responsible for your content?

YOU are responsible about your content, linking as well. Do you think you can link to p0rn sites and get away with it? I doubt it.


Anyways, i'm out of this thread, iv said all I could - people who take my word on this, you will be wiser because of it!

[danimal]

So you mean that if I link to your site I'm responsible for your content?

that is correct, you can be sued for the links on your website:

"In April, a Beijing court ordered Yahoo! China to pay about 200,000 yuan (26,000 dollars) in damages for assisting downloads of unlicensed music in other websites and delete 229 links to free songs... The Beijing Court has confirmed that Yahoo China has clear responsibility for removing all links to the infringing tracks on its service," Kennedy, the IFPI's chairman and CEO said in a statement. "Because this is a judgment made under new regulations in China, today's judgment supersedes the previous decision on Baidu and confirms the responsibility of all similar music search providers in China." Yahoo! China plans to file an appeal."
http://www.linksandlaw.com/news-update49-yahoo-china-lawsuit.htm

do you need to see more examples of it?

fyi, shutzu is from romania, which has modern copyright laws, but never prosecutes anyone for copyright violations... not a personal attack against him, but his opinions are simply not relevant to countries that enforce copyright laws.

[danimal]

Have you ever uploaded a video to youtube?
When you upload a video and you male it public you sign there that you give permission to youtube and all visitors to use your video; this means that if the video is on youtube you have permission to use, embed, link to it etc.

WRONG.

youtube scrapers do NOT have copyright permission to use any youtube video, because they broke the youtube tos when they used the videos for commercial gain... this was already covered in the other thread, with links to all the relevant tos and copyright laws.

i do agree with your claim that google is ignoring this, wrt publishers... NOW TELL US WHY THERE IS NO ADSENSE ON YOUTUBE PAGES WITH EMBEDDED VIDEO.

[danimal]

u see, this is the catch.
google can't see a video, mp3 or other copyrighted material on your site, it just sees a external link to that material. as long as the owner (youtube in this case) doesn't complains that it is a copyrighted material.. you can use it

WRONG.

YOUTUBE NEVER OWNS THE COPYRIGHT TO ANY VIDEO ON THE YOUTUBE WEBSITE.

stop posting garbage mis-information to this thread, the true facts are in the youtube tos that i posted to the other thread.

[FanAddict]

WRONG.

youtube scrapers do NOT have copyright permission to use any youtube video, because they broke the youtube tos when they used the videos for commercial gain... this was already covered in the other thread, with links to all the relevant tos and copyright laws.

i do agree with your claim that google is ignoring this, wrt publishers... NOW TELL US WHY THERE IS NO ADSENSE ON YOUTUBE PAGES WITH EMBEDDED VIDEO.

This is my last post in this thread... I swear :)

I just had to give you a thumbs up for trying my friend! I don't think they care honestly, or don't want to see the truth. But good on ya :) keep it up...

I left you some nice greens :D

[iatbm]

So every site with adsense ads is commercial one ?
The same goes then for text-link-ads and links I sell via DP forum ?

I don't know about US laws but from my farmer logic I would think that if some company which sells tractors embed youtube video showing how fast some kids can go with a tractor then that would be violation of youtube terms ( using video for commercial purposes )

I think that hobby website showing you how to make your own telescope and grind your newtonian mirror and there is one google adsense adlink unit then that website not commercial or am I wrong ?

Complicated stuff :D

[jon2k6]

Well he seems to know what he's doing... so if he's not doing anything wrong... He could easily PM me it. Yet he keeps hiding it, because he knows.


He thinks he knows what he's doing yet, he has no knowledge it seems of basic TOS of both youtube and adsense.

That's the most stupid comment I've seen from a narcisist yet.

FanAddict, just because you have looked into a certain rule wrongly doesn't mean everyone else but you is wrong, means you are.

I am having Google check out my site and review the video pages and they said it was fine. I wouldn't risk losing my account on a fucking hunch.

But of course, Shoemoney, other Adsense monsters, Putfile, and millions of other people but you and danimal must be wrong... yeh.

The reason I wont give you my url is because for all I know you could clickbomb it or anything or do anything with it, I'd rather not pass it round in a heated debate thanks.
But I've no problem showing to Google myself, so shutup you moronic invalid bigot.

[jon2k6]

Also 'danimal'

i do agree with your claim that google is ignoring this, wrt publishers... NOW TELL US WHY THERE IS NO ADSENSE ON YOUTUBE PAGES WITH EMBEDDED VIDEO.

Because YouTube have fucking sponsors gallore and don't need Adsense, also the videos are THEIR responsiblity. But if a webmaster embeds a video, that is STILL Google / YouTubes responsiblity, now stop chatting shit. If you had a brain you'd be dangerous.

[Sparaker]

That's the most stupid comment I've seen from a narcisist yet.

FanAddict, just because you have looked into a certain rule wrongly doesn't mean everyone else but you is wrong, means you are.

I am having Google check out my site and review the video pages and they said it was fine. I wouldn't risk losing my account on a fucking hunch.

But of course, Shoemoney, other Adsense monsters, Putfile, and millions of other people but you and danimal must be wrong... yeh.

The reason I wont give you my url is because for all I know you could clickbomb it or anything or do anything with it, I'd rather not pass it round in a heated debate thanks.
But I've no problem showing to Google myself, so shutup you moronic invalid bigot.


I totally agree with jon2k6. Youtube is also owned by google and google doesn't places adsense on each and every product they own. Orkut doesn't has ads or does it ? so its no point that since youtube's own website doesn't has adsense, you can't place adsense on pages with embedded youtube. People like fanaddict and danimal are the ones who mis guide people and tell them something like "OH NO DON'T DO THAT AT ALL. ITS TOTALLY WRONG, YOU'LL GET BANNED."

They do this thinking that they are doing us a favor while they are NOT. All fanaddict did was that he kept on pasting that one reply from adsense on and on. My friend has a funny videos website and he has placed youtube and adsense. His website has been running from about 5 years now, not with adsense but yeah he makes alot with adsense and google never told him anything like remove youtube or adsense. Just think practically, google always looks in the advertisers best interest .... how could a youtube video possibly hurt an advertiser ?

[nickflame]

WRONG.

youtube scrapers do NOT have copyright permission to use any youtube video, because they broke the youtube tos when they used the videos for commercial gain... this was already covered in the other thread, with links to all the relevant tos and copyright laws.

i do agree with your claim that google is ignoring this, wrt publishers... NOW TELL US WHY THERE IS NO ADSENSE ON YOUTUBE PAGES WITH EMBEDDED VIDEO.

I do not know why youtube does not put adsense on video pages, but check metacafe which is A VERY BIG PUBLISHER, and it puts embedded videos with google adsense ads;
Also the videos on metacafe are similar to those at youtube, meaning they are uploaded by users and so on.
Wat I want to say is this: if i create an original video an upload it to youtube, then i sign a form where i say that i give permission to youtube and others persons to use link embed my video. This means that whoever embeds my video on their blog has copyright permission to use my video, providing that they do not use it for commercial purposes;
I dont know if adsense sites are considered commercial sites...

[jon2k6]

No they aren't because you are not getting financial gain from the video therefore the video is not being used commercially, the ads are which are not coherent to the video.

By the way I emailed Google about placing ads on same page with YouTube videos and they said it was fine as long as you have permission to use the video. Anyone who uploads and allows you to embed is allowing you to use it. So it is fine, and if anything is copyrighted and YouTube find out - they remove it so it won't display anymore, therefore you aren't breaking any TOS.

Fanaddict and danimal are wrong but they're both egomaniacs so wont admit it.

[danimal]

I just had to give you a thumbs up for trying my friend! I don't think they care honestly, or don't want to see the truth. But good on ya :) keep it up...

thanks, we do it for people like nickflame, who is really trying to understand this stuff.

school kids like jon2k6 simply don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what they have been reading.

[danimal]

Wat I want to say is this: if i create an original video an upload it to youtube, then i sign a form where i say that i give permission to youtube and others persons to use link embed my video. This means that whoever embeds my video on their blog has copyright permission to use my video, providing that they do not use it for commercial purposes;
I dont know if adsense sites are considered commercial sites...

how could adsense not be commercial? are you a non-profit organization? this was already covered in the other thread:

"With respect to vicarious infringement, the court held that Google derived direct financial benefit from infringement of P10's copyright (in the form of AdWords and AdSense profits), but that it had no power to stop the infringements even if it knew of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10_v._Google_Inc

that's why google does not put adsense on it's own youtube video pages... they don't pre-screen the videos, so there is massive copyright infringment taking place on the youtube website.

google doesn't give a rats ass if you or metacafe get sued for copyright infringment, because they are making $$$ off of it... so they ignore their own tos.

[nickflame]

how could adsense not be commercial? are you a non-profit organization? this was already covered in the other thread:

"With respect to vicarious infringement, the court held that Google derived direct financial benefit from infringement of P10's copyright (in the form of AdWords and AdSense profits), but that it had no power to stop the infringements even if it knew of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10_v._Google_Inc

that's why google does not put adsense on it's own youtube video pages... they don't pre-screen the videos, so there is massive copyright infringment taking place on the youtube website.

google doesn't give a rats ass if you or metacafe get sued for copyright infringment, because they are making $$$ off of it... so they ignore their own tos.

So basically you don't break the adsense tos , you just break youtube tos, i guess.
From the adsense point of view, by having an embedded video from youtube, it means that you have permission to use the video [given by the upoader when he signed the form at youtube] but you break the youtube tos because you use it for commercial purposes. If there is something to get you in trouble this is youtube tos;Have i got that right?
But anyway who cares about youtube tos?

[jon2k6]

school kids like jon2k6 simply don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what they have been reading.

Lmao that truely shows what an idiot you are, because you know you are wrong you have to keep getting backing up quotes from Fanaddict and saying pathetic childish stuff like that.

One tiny cell in my brain has more information than your entire cranium, your an arrogant, irritating, egotistical, childish cocksucker. Plus your wrong and wont admit it, therefore an egomaniac aswell.

Nickflame is smart enough not to listen to idiots like you, as are most of this forum, your a moron.

Also i'm not a school kid you cretin.

[danimal]

moron... bigot... cretin... stupid... narcisist... moronic invalid bigot... fucking... shit... egomaniacs... idiot... arrogant, irritating, egotistical, childish cocksucker... idiots... moron... i'm not a school kid you cretin.

do your mummy and daddy know that you are acting up on the internet again? :rolleyes:

[danimal]

So basically you don't break the adsense tos , you just break youtube tos, i guess.
From the adsense point of view, by having an embedded video from youtube, it means that you have permission to use the video [given by the upoader when he signed the form at youtube] but you break the youtube tos because you use it for commercial purposes. If there is something to get you in trouble this is youtube tos;Have i got that right?
But anyway who cares about youtube tos?

i can't see youtube suing people for stealing bandwidth, but that's what you open yourself up for when you break their tos... it's called theft of service.

i think that google wants publishers to be youtube scrapers, because google can't do it on the youtube website itself... but as we already proved with those emails from adsense support, google will not give you specific written permission to use adsense in violation of copyrights.

and neither will the adsense tos:

""Website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with content protected by copyright law unless they have the necessary legal rights to display that content."
https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=48182&sourceid=aso&subid=ww-ww-et-asui&medium=link&gsessionid=7xrA_QMj6rA

[jon2k6]

""Website publishers may not display Google ads on web pages with content protected by copyright law unless they have the necessary legal rights to display that content."

Yes, exactly, and YouTube videos which are live should not be considered copyright by who ever embeds it. Eeven as Adsense have stated themsleves, any video which is live on Google video or YouTube should not be considered copyright by the publisher.

Also you are not stealing bandwith because YouTube allow people to embed their videos, if the uploader wants people to. And for the fucking last time if a video is copyright YouTube will remove it if informed so therefore will not display.

So whether or not you are breaking YouTube's TOS I don't know, but you are not breaking Adsense TOS, which is all I care about.

Also whoever uploads the video is soley responsible as stated by YouTube but obviously any legal issues are always taken up with YouTube directly. So you do not hold any responsiblity to the copyright terms of an embeded video from another user, this line sums it up nicely from the YouTube tos:

You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service

Now, 98% of this forum, fanaddict and danimal are never going to agree so we misewell just all do what we want and see who comes out on top.

[FQEDcom]

To my knowledge, the only financial gain you are receiving is from YOUR website, not from THEIR videos. Even though Youtube videos may make up the majority of your content, you're making a financial gain from all of the time (and money) you've put into your site, not from the videos.

A hypothetical situation of breaking Youtube's TOS would be a video site that embeds Youtube videos while charging $5 a month to watch "SeXy vIdEo's OnlIne!!111"

You guys are acting like you know everything, while in reality it just makes you look ignorant. (mainly danimal, he probably got those 446 posts by flaming everyone who opposes him.)

While I'm sure you would love to be right (like always); I doubt Techcrunch is wrong.

http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=268
http://ronaldlewis.com/2007/07/03/lawyer-wrongly-accuses-me-in-youtube-spat/

P.S. I registered just so I could respond to this stupid thread. This is a great example of how to turn a good debate into a flame war. (which I've seen danimal do twice)

[danimal]

To my knowledge, the only financial gain you are receiving is from YOUR website, not from THEIR videos.

you call that "knowledge"? lol... you are a complete noob, with one link that's not relevant to this thread.

take off all THEIR videos, and tell us how much financial gain you receive on YOUR website :rolleyes:

[qwestcommunications]

Its possible with lots of traffic. Most video sites suffer from low cpc rates.

[danimal]

low epc because the content is not targeted... and it doesn't help when all the pages on these youtube scraper sites have gone supplemental in the search index... it's junk traffic for junk pages that have junk advertisers.

i think that google is encouraging it, tho... it's been over two months since this thread ended, and i have never heard of anyone getting banned for youtube scraping.

[nickflame]

Friends , i quote from youtube tos

"E. Prohibited commercial uses do not include:

* uploading an original video to YouTube, or maintaining an original channel on Youtube, to promote your business or artistic enterprise;
* using the Embeddable Player to show YouTube videos on an ad-enabled blog or website, provided the primary purpose of using the Embeddable Player is not to gain advertising revenue or compete with YouTube;
* any use that YouTube expressly authorizes in writing.

So it is legal to use youtube videos on adsense supported sites.

[mike323]

that's what most people think, and it's dead wrong.

all of those embed codes are for non-commercial use only, per the tos of the video website.

if you break the tos, you no longer have copyright permission to use the video clip... so while it appears that adsense support is ignoring that, you could still be on the hook for copyright violations.

Google Video itself is ignoring that...and so is Aol Video...I could go on and on...

[Mrwonder]

Hi,
I can most certainly say that youtube has about 20 to 30 % videos which are complete violation of copyright. I am saying 100 %. If we include the other minor copy right violations then the percentage would be much higher.
Actually its not that youtube is doing it deliberately. The actual idea of youtube had built in danger of copy right violations.
When you give the right of broadcasting to your site user then i guess not much can be done about copy rights.
I have a feeling that although youtube is the talk of town today but the business model of youtube has serious flaws and when bad days come for google (if they come) then youtube wont be able to survive on its own business model.
On the subject of putting videos on site and making money out of it. Well i am not too sure as i have never tried that route before. Just finished a website which fetches videos from Youtube and have adsense on it. you can see it here http://www.iqav.com and see if this sort of idea interest you.

Thanks

[danimal]

Friends , i quote from youtube tos

provided the primary purpose of using the Embeddable Player is not to gain advertising revenue;

So it is legal to use youtube videos on adsense supported sites.

lol... how could it be legal when you embedded the player just to gain advertising revenue? the tos that you claim to have quoted just told you to NOT do that!

thanks for proving my point, tho :rolleyes:

[danimal]

Google Video itself is ignoring that...and so is Aol Video...I could go on and on...

yes, they aren't doing enuf to stop the copyright violations.

and yes, they are also currently being sued for ignoring the copyright violations on their sites.

[danimal]

Hi,
Just finished a website which fetches videos from Youtube and have adsense on it. you can see it here http://www.iqav.com

i like the placement of the ad block, but the ads are completely untargeted... it's just random stuff.

so that site will have very low epc and ctr, and all the pages will go straight into the google supplemental index... there won't be any traffic from the search engines.

[Mrwonder]

i like the placement of the ad block, but the ads are completely untargeted... it's just random stuff.

so that site will have very low epc and ctr, and all the pages will go straight into the google supplemental index... there won't be any traffic from the search engines.
Hi,
The ads related to youtube, video, music downloads are showing in the front page. I suppose you are talking about one ad which shows when someone click to view the video. I have to improve this script to show appropriate ads there as it shows ads to the the module which it assumes as page title.
Thanks

[gkgk11]

if they allow the embed code option then they authorize it as far as I can tell

Correct. No copyright issue there.

[danimal]

Correct. No copyright issue there.

wrong... if the video was illegally uploaded to youtube, and it's on your page, you are violating copyright law.

the youtube tos won't save you from a copyright lawsuit.

[gerer]

referal along side google ads should work

[danimal]

Hi,
The ads related to youtube, video, music downloads are showing in the front page.

on the front page i see ads for ipod copying software and music downloads, which are not relevant to a site with random videos on it.

maybe set up your site with specific topic areas, put in the relevant text, and you might get a better epc and ctr.

adsense can't possibly know what the subject matter is on the video itself, so without keyword text, you can't have targeted ads... it'll just be random cpm ads.

[sakib000]

you people are going very deeply,

perezhilton.com use many images that are claimed to be illegal but its fair use of copyright material. X17 imposed $17 million claim on perezhilton but still court said that perez can continue his website.

Perezhilton.com also use adsense on his site for years

[mike323]

I agree with what Tearabite said.

I have contacted google on this issue, and unless you OWN or have a leased license for the video, you cannot display adsense on your page with the video.

Youtube videos are the same deal, do you have permission to use the videos? Just because they are there, and allow you to link to it doesn't mean you do.

Then why was the following post made on the official Adsense blog in February of last year encouraging embedding of video on sites with Adsense ads?:

http://adsense.blogspot.com/2006/02/so-videos-worth-10000-words.html

[nickflame]

lol... how could it be legal when you embedded the player just to gain advertising revenue? the tos that you claim to have quoted just told you to NOT do that!

thanks for proving my point, tho :rolleyes:

Are you stupid or ignorant? Choose one

E. Prohibited commercial uses do not include:

* uploading an original video to YouTube, or maintaining an original channel on Youtube, to promote your business or artistic enterprise;
* using the Embeddable Player to show YouTube videos on an ad-enabled blog or website, provided the primary purpose of using the Embeddable Player is not to gain advertising revenue or compete with YouTube;
* any use that YouTube expressly authorizes in writing.

Read that once more, dude, you are not embedding the video in the first place to earn revenue. IF your sites focus on gaining revenue you are already breaking the google tos.

It says that you can use Youtube videos on AD enabled sites, what do you mean by this?
Sites that have ads on them, there is pointless to discuss , you ARE WRONG.
If you do not want to do it, then do not do it, will be more space and profits for those doing it.

[danimal]

Then why was the following post made on the official Adsense blog in February of last year encouraging embedding of video on sites with Adsense ads?

wrong, that link doesn't say one single word about embedding video on sites with adsense ads.

Read that once more, dude, you are not embedding the video in the first place to earn revenue... will be more space and profits for those doing it.

hey dumbass, the title of this thread is: HOW TO MAKE MONEY FROM ADSENSE ON VIDEO SITES

go start your own thread about liars who are in denial about why they created their youtube scraping sites ;-)