Have your new page ranks and backlinks held?

[Smyrl]

I have been watching page ranks and backlinks go up and down since about Thurs night. Today all I see is old page ranks and back links. Any one else seeing this?

Shannnon

[digitalpoint]

There is one data center that doesn't seem to have taken the new results for some reason...

- Shawn

[Smyrl]

Thanks for that information. I will keep positive thoughts.

Shannon

[Gede]

I saw some my sites go up, just a week ago. Some from 5 to 6, one from 6 to 7 (1800 reported backlinks) and one day PR started to fluctuate, and now some have their new page rank and some are back to where they were before. Not that it matters in ranking though.

[GuyFromChicago]

All my rankings/links have held steady since Thursday night/Friday.

[jarvi]

All mine have held steady including the ones that increased.

[ephricon]

yeah everything steady here - most increased by 1 and have remained as such...

[arounddelhi]

Hi,
I am having a simmilar problem for the last 10 days, the page rank for some keywords jumps from 1 to 10,000 or so and back the next day, i too am worried,can somebody help.
Rakesh Anand
www.arounddelhi.com (http://www.arounddelhi.com)

[Bizcut88]

Yes my PR7 has held all weekend so I'm guessing it's a lock for this update.

[Gede]

Yesterday main page went to 7 again, now its back to 6...

[Voyager]

Inbound links and PR seems to be almost steady now.

My question is: When will the SERPS change as a result of this update? (Or will they?)

[ViciousSummer]

My question is: When will the SERPS change as a result of this update? (Or will they?)

My understanding is that they won't change drastically when the pr/backlinks update happens because Google knew about the links and increased pr well before it "updated". Which is why the SERPS change daily, rather then only when an update happens.

I've noticed a big jump in the SERPS every 2-3 weeks or so, which is usually 1.5-2 weeks before the offical update.

[relaxzoolander]

vs...
soon you will be running this place. :D

[john_loch]

Yesterday main page went to 7 again, now its back to 6...

Actually, it's been more like 7 days for me. I've seen a few sites migrate and settle (pr 5 -6 ) but I've a couple that just won't settle down.

I've one in particular (I'm talking PR not SERPS) that keeps jumping around like a yoyo - and I've seen it change 3 times in as many hours just now (reads: loads of times over the last seven days).

Not to mention.. I had one site showing pr0 (new site) and doing well in the serps - plenty of traffic. Next thing I know I jump to a PR5 but I go south in the SERPS - hmmm.. it's prolly another topic.. ie Google loves new sites/should we really buy PR etc.

PS: The site that's jumping around is a large site - anyone else see this on a large site ?

[toddieg]

try not to focus on short term changes in PR or SERPS...that will get you nowhere.. remember, the little green bar is just a symbolic representation of a sites' PR, and might not always be up to date...

keep on getting backlinks with strong anchor text, and your website will stand the test of time...

on a side note, i do believe it's true that google artificially inflates the rankings of a new site (based on experience)...they tend to rank high in the SERPs for a little while before they get pushed back a few pages, or vanish completely.....don't worry...with a little bit of time and a lot of good links, the results will come back :D

[jarvi]

Toddeig, I have seen a site do exactly what you described. Was about three weeks old, went to number one for a reasonable keyword, stayed in the top ten for a couple of weeks and then disappeared. Regardless of what I seem to do I can't get it back to a decent position.

[toddieg]

jarvi,

i've seen it a million times....patience my friend...patience..

here's a hint....get links without having to give links...(there are lots of way's to do this...be creative) :cool:

[john_loch]

jarvi,

i've seen it a million times....patience my friend...patience..

here's a hint....get links without having to give links...(there are lots of way's to do this...be creative) :cool:

Good idea toddieg, please **do** be creative and explain :)

Handing out an ambiguous statement like that.. well.. what do you mean by creative ? - Go find some directories ? Go find some autosubmission software > after all FFA's don't require reciprocal linkage - but I'd never use them. Go find some autosubmit sites ? Go write a plug-in for the latest popular CMS that carries your url/s ?, go buy some linkage ?

Go surf the net and see how others do it ?

It's nice to sit around waiting (ie exhibiting patience), but the truth is (as you stated) relevant, anchored linkage is the key, and finding it requires anything but patience. You have to actively seek it.

I've a question - and it's basically Javis' question over again:
A site, deployed, floats around for 2 weeks, then whammo - top o the serps. There for 2 weeks, nice traffic etc then: Jumps from PR0 to PR 5.. at the same time takes a **dive** in the serps. I'm thinking link building is the only answer, so:

When Google does this: the new site thing (which most engines do) where a site enjoys maiden traffic - can this be used as a bench mark ?

If so - how would you quantify it (ie perhaps this maiden traffic/serps rank) is equivalent to a moderately optimized site with x themed backlinks and pr x..

Yes I know it can't really be summarized like that.. and theres sooo many variants.. but generally speaking - could you take your maiden serp rank and at least say.. OK - this is a target I'm going to achieve ? or surpass by 100%+ ? Is it typical, on average for site that's moderately optimized to exceed this ?

I'd love to hear what you all have to say on this, because like Javi - I too could use some additional perspectives.

PS: ALL input is welcome, ambiguity is after all relative :)

[toddieg]

john_lock,

sorry to be so vague..let me try and explain what i mean by being creative ;)

participate in reciprocal links pages, but don't rely 100% on them. try writing a 'free to use' article that people will find informative and want to post on their site as content...in addition to being able to place links within the article, you can also place a resource box at the end, which can also provide a link back to your website. or, have someone really smart (like a professor..hint hint) write an article for your website. if you're lucky he or she will link back to you from their webpage (probably a university with high page rank)

if you don't like articles, try using a 3rd party website to exchange links. for instance, get a separate website with a pretty good page rank (becacuse it will lure in link exchangers) and use it as a link exchange program. The difference is, you make the user link to a separate site, while you provide them a link from your 3rd party website. for instance theirsite.com links to yoursite.com and the3rdpartysite.com links to theirsite.com ... this way, yoursite.com doesn't need to give out a link, but will still receive one... creating a one-way link.

if you don't like that idea, try installing some link exchange software. it will manage your links for you, so you don't have to waste all day writing emails or filling out forms. again, if you have a pretty decent page rank on your link exchange pages, then people will use it. (i don't know why, but everyone is obsessed with page rank ... don't be... it is just a green bar that doesn't really represent where you are in the results pages, but how popular your site is 'perceived' by others)

if you're into spending money try this one out. spend about $100 a month and buy as many cheap hosting plans as you can. set up a network of websites, put a little bit of content on each page, and then you can place links to all of your sites...you can also cross link between sites creating a 'rubbing off' effect with page rank.. (it's important to have your links coming from different IP addresses) you can also spend $ on ppc programs like adwords and overture..that will get you instantly ranked for terms you never thought possible

also, don't forget to interlink within your own website... check out people's backlinks in google and you'll notice that lots of pages have links coming from their own website. for instance instead of only using <a href="page.html"> place a few links that have the full url like <a href="http://www.yoursite.com/page.html">

if you can program, create a really cool online program that everyone will want to link to. (just like shawn's programs and the website your reading this on) ... i'm sure he gets PLENTY of one-way links as a result... note: you don't have to be a programmer.. just create ANYTHING that people will naturally want to link to....something free is always good.

use a also use a signature file (with a clickable link) and post in forums to get links. if the forum is 'robot friendly' and can be crawled then you will get plenty of backlinks just for posting.

oh...and don't forget to get backlinks to lots of the pages in your site, not just the main page. this will help other pages come up for different terms.

those are all the 'tricks' i can think of right now..if anything else comes to me i'll let you know :D

-Toddie G

ps. damn that was long...i apologize..i hate reading long posts.

[Foxy]

if you're into spending money try this one out. spend about $100 a month and buy as many cheap hosting plans as you can. set up a network of websites, put a little bit of content on each page, and then you can place links to all of your sites...you can also cross link between sites creating a 'rubbing off' effect with page rank.. (it's important to have your links coming from different IP addresses) you can also spend $ on ppc programs like adwords and overture..that will get you instantly ranked for terms you never thought possible

also, don't forget to interlink within your own website... check out people's backlinks in google and you'll notice that lots of pages have links coming from their own website. for instance instead of only using <a href="page.html"> place a few links that have the full url like <a href="http://www.yoursite.com/page.html">

if you can program, create a really cool online program that everyone will want to link to. (just like shawn's programs and the website your reading this on) ... i'm sure he gets PLENTY of one-way links as a result... note: you don't have to be a programmer.. just create ANYTHING that people will naturally want to link to....something free is always good.

use a also use a signature file (with a clickable link) and post in forums to get links. if the forum is 'robot friendly' and can be crawled then you will get plenty of backlinks just for posting.

oh...and don't forget to get backlinks to lots of the pages in your site, not just the main page. this will help other pages come up for different terms.


This is the guts of the matter :cool:

[john_loch]

Wow !!!!!

Nicely said ToddieG, and thanks for persisting with the post - mine was a tad long :)

You've certainly covered good ground there. I won't add to what you've said other than to say it's all relevant and useful and on target+

OK - just this little observation:
Regarding hosting: Yahoo doesn't filter linkage across C Class IPs - so you could buy just one hosting acct, and set up multiple subdomains (which are treated as seperate sites/domains). If Google is the only imperative for you, you can grab yourself a cheap reseller acct - preferably WHM/Cpanel managed, and typically, cheap IP's along with it. Set up your own sites that way.. (it's a lot cheaper than buying up hosting accts peicemeal).

Thanks ToddieG - your post was what I was hoping for. A useful, beefy contribution.

Anyone else care to contribute ?

[john_loch]

Oh PS:
Can anyone honestly state they saw improvements in their rankings by simply enrolling in adwords ? AND - is it mere participation, or relative to spend ?

Cheers.

[digitalpoint]

There is no correlation between natural SERPs and enrolling in AdWords.

- Shawn

[jarvi]

Talk about timing. Over the last couple of weeks I have been concentrating on getting some good backlinks, and not just all straight reciprocal ones. Ran the trusty keyword tracker this morning and the site I mentioned previously is back in the SERPS. Not great and still over 100 but at least it's back in. Haven't changed any on page stuff so without being too scientific I would like to think it was a result of the increased backlinks.

I'll take all comments on board and keep working. Thanks everyone.

[tsptom]

let me try and explain what i mean by being creative ;)

Thank you for that post. I have been asking about how to create backlinks but this was the first response with real answers.

[toddieg]

glad to help. :D

[digitalcamera]

I have had the same problem I had 40,000 backlinks and suddenly it went down to 0 can anyone help me?

http://bargainfindsonebay.com

[bobmutch]

digitalcamera: er 40k of backlinks and they are all gone. Not good. Yahoo only shows 3. Google shows 0 backlinks. You have 7 pages in the index so you are not banned.

I searched "+www.bargainfindsonebay.+com" and found 102. How did you get these 40k of links. Didn't happen to puchase them? Did you get them all at once?

Also can a mod break this question out of this thread. "March Have your new page ranks and backlinks held?" is not a good title. tx.

[digitalcamera]

I had a old domain name forwarded to http://bargainfindsonebay.com/ well 2 actually.


http://nasaconspiracy.net
http://ebay-registration.info

the ebay one had 40,000 but now they have disappeard could they have just disappeared?

[digitalcamera]

I had a old domain name forwarded to http://bargainfindsonebay.com/ well 2 actually.


http://nasaconspiracy.net
http://ebay-registration.info

the ebay one had 40,000 but now they have disappeard could they have just disappeared?

I forgot to answer your question yes you can break this topic thread out if you want hey I don't care :). Its just another shameless post for digital cameras and digital camera related site with some sony digital cameras.

[bobmutch]

digitalcamera: Don't really know what is going on there. The links are not being shown in Yahoo or Google for ebay-registration.info

[Mel]

I had a old domain name forwarded to http://bargainfindsonebay.com/ well 2 actually.


http://nasaconspiracy.net
http://ebay-registration.info

the ebay one had 40,000 but now they have disappeard could they have just disappeared?

Google shows only one (not indexed page) for http://ebay-registration.info

and
nasaconspiracy.net is no longer in the Google index.

Your search - site:http://www.nasaconspiracy.net - did not match any documents.

How were the names forwarded?

[digitalcamera]

I hate dredging old post back from the dead but I forgot to reply to this. the names where forwarded using a 301 redirect true redirect in .htaccess file
^http:// or http://www. etc etc

[Mel]

Neither of your redirects seem to be working:

Nasaconspiracy returns a 200 response in the header:
#1 Server Response: http://www.nasaconspiracy.net
HTTP Status Code: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:33:59 GMT
Server: tigershark/3.0.114 (dc-ts1.domaincontender.com)
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 22573

and

http://ebay-registration.info is timing out when I try to contact it.

[digitalcamera]

Thanks I see what the problem is domain transfer is all screwy thanks for the help MEL! Too bad those dmoz editors arn't as helpful and actually add one of my sites you know I never have had one dmoz listing! I have a military news blog professional as be all and it can't even get in , My blogger offline blogs in dmoz I tell ya.

Got Yahoo listing though that helps seems someone gave me a freebie their for 299 what nice fellows eh!

[onedollar]

Neither of your redirects seem to be working:

probably because it is about 2 years now since the original post :)