Anti-War 100,000 - Pro-War 400

[ferret77]

Wasn't that in 1988.. it was happening because some kurds refused to go to their duties under the iran/iraq war. There's however no proofs that Saddam gave such order more like it was coming from some lower level.

I doubt it saddam probably told them to do it

your right though it was 88 seventeen years ago

http://hnn.us/articles/862.html

Domestic special interests had a stake in the survival of Saddam. Exports to Iraq of American agricultural products were large: 23 percent of U.S. rice exports went to Iraq; a million tons of wheat. When members of Congress threatened to pass a sanctions bill against Iraq, the White House opposed the measure.

Totally off the subject but

Will. earlier in the thread I remeber you saying something to effect that one of gtechs posts about sanctity of life, or unborm or something was really great, but then I remember in another debate you said

abortion -- Kill 'em all. Better dead than on welfare.

Just wondering are you for abortion or not?

[Crazy_Zap]

Will. Just wondering are you for abortion or not?

He's Pro-Bush. Do you really need to ask? :D

[debunked]

True. They are, but they often go hand in hand together. Clinton was a peaceful man and that matters a lot to the world.

Ya, the rest of the world didn't have to worry that someone might try to stop them from doing something like blowing up stuff. You know how much fun it is to blow up things don't you? They don't like Bush cause he might actually react and do something about it! Of course the men liked Clinton, he showed that women are property used for sex just like in those other countries.

[Crazy_Zap]

Ya, the rest of the world didn't have to worry that someone might try to stop them from doing something like blowing up stuff. You know how much fun it is to blow up things don't you? They don't like Bush cause he might actually react and do something about it! Of course the men liked Clinton, he showed that women are property used for sex just like in those other countries.

That whole Monica thing seemed to bother you guys a lot more than it bothered the rest of us. He's human. Nobody was hurt. Get over it.

And... if you wish me to choose between inaction by Clinton and action by Bush, that's an easy one. Inaction by Clinton, because, again, he didn't make the world any worse than it is.

[bigdoug]

So Doug would Jesus invaded Iraq? Do you think jesus is for tax cuts, which are paid for by cutting social programs? Doug are you one of those christians who are for the death penalty?

So Doug would Jesus invaded Iraq?

Nope! He was politically neutral and did not get involved with governmental affairs. That’s why I stay out of politics. I just like to point out history for what it is, but I believe the only solution to mans problems is Gods kingdom. Like the bible say's, Man cannot rule themselves. History proves that.

Do you think jesus is for tax cuts, which are paid for by cutting social programs?

Same as above. Jesus said to pay Caesar’s things to Caesar but Gods things to God. Jesus was the first to forgive tax collectors, but he did not involve himself in its corruption nor speak against it.

Doug are you one of those christians who are for the death penalty?

The only death penalty I would educate those in the community against is legalized abortion. However, I do it from the bible and not from the ballot box. The ballot box is a waste of time.

Nations will do as the nations have always done to the detriment of mankind and that is what history truly exposes.

I have yet to see a president of any nation, not become a liar, go back on their words, and show that leadership can be tainted very shortly after winning the race.

I have no faith in a man, but only Gods kingdom witch will soon do away with this present wicked system of things once the United Nations turns against false religion.


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[bigdoug]

That whole Monica thing seemed to bother you guys a lot more than it bothered the rest of us. He's human. Nobody was hurt. Get over it.
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I guess you feel that adultery does not hurt anyone? In your world, women should just accept a man who violates the marriage bed. In your world it does not hurt the children who have to live with the shame of a deceitful, betrayer, and selfish man who put his lust first and his family second (especially in front of a nation). Who cares, get over it!

This is the new "me" generation that feels nothing for righteousness and goodness, and that if it feels good, just do it.

So the heck with the wife, the children, and the community as a whole, for adultery hurts no one. Divorce hurts no one? Unwanted pregnancy hurts no one? Venereal disease hurts no one? Abortion hurts no one? Homosexuality hurts no one? Drugs hurt no one? Sex outside of marriage hurts no one? Its all good……

It’s a new dawn, when debased, unloving men hurt no one.

[GRIM]

Are you suggesting all the above be thrown into jail? Also curious to your description of a drug, is this all drugs or just drugs the US government has classified as a drug or?

[gworld]

I guess you feel that adultery does not hurt anyone? In your world, women should just accept a man who violates the marriage bed. In your world it does not hurt the children who have to live with the shame of a deceitful, betrayer, and selfish man who put his lust first and his family second (especially in front of a nation). Who cares, get over it!

This is the new "me" generation that feels nothing for righteousness and goodness, and that if it feels good, just do it.

So the heck with the wife, the children, and the community as a whole, for adultery hurts no one. Divorce hurts no one? Unwanted pregnancy hurts no one? Venereal disease hurts no one? Abortion hurts no one? Homosexuality hurts no one? Drugs hurt no one? Sex outside of marriage hurts no one? Its all good……

It’s a new dawn, when debased, unloving men hurt no one.

More people has been hurt by religion and religious fanatics like you than all the above combined. :rolleyes:

[bigdoug]

Are you suggesting all the above be thrown into jail? Also curious to your description of a drug, is this all drugs or just drugs the US government has classified as a drug or?

God no. I want to see people change from the heart. Laws do little to keep people from doing what will hurt them. People must change from within, and do what is right despite the laws of the land.

As far as drugs that are harmful, this has always been a pointless argument. One mans candy is another mans vice. I look to what Jesus ingested in his lifetime as an example of what is approved.

I used to do drugs; coke, marijuana, and a host of other psychotic drugs, and I am glad to have them out of my life. Going to jail helped me to examine my life along with getting an accurate knowledge of God years later.

See, I can speak from experience. I owned knight clubs in Florida, where I did more drugs and had more sex than 50 men could have in a lifetime. My father still owns nightclubs, and he is slowly getting out of that life. I have had to live with the consequences of a debauched lifestyle: Venereal disease, DUI’s, drunken fighting, broken homes, and jail time. That is why I am so adamantly apposed to it. I can see the damage first hand, and what it does to lives.

There is no harmless recreational drug, nor is there any harmless or recreational sex. Vices are what they are, just like war is what it is, and anyone can rationalize what they do in life despite the apparent problems that come in the form of a consequence. That’s why laws on minor crime are useless.

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[bigdoug]

More people has been hurt by religion and religious fanatics like you than all the above combined. :rolleyes:

Typical Gworld statement :rolleyes:


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[ferret77]

The only death penalty I would educate those in the community against is legalized abortion.

Umm so you are a Christian for the death penalty? Is that what that means?

As far as drugs that are harmful, this has always been a pointless argument. One mans candy is another mans vice. I look to what Jesus ingested in his lifetime as an example of what is approved.

Do you think if jesus was around now he would he would turn asprin into extasy rather then water into wine?

Which jails did you get to go to were they down here, in Florida? Can you suggest any good clubs in Florida, I don't really go clubbing anymore but one of my friends are visiting from NY next month, and they will probably want to go out.

[GRIM]

Bigdoug while I do not agree with everything you posted, I do respect your stance and give you even more respect from how you came to it...

thank you for the response :)

[bigdoug]

Do you think if jesus was around now he would he would turn asprin into extasy rather then water into wine?
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See my point...its pointless to reason with someone who likens aspirin to ecstasy. :rolleyes:


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[ferret77]

Actually I was likening extasy to wine, and comparing water to asprin

You don't see the parallel?

[bigdoug]

Bigdoug while I do not agree with everything you posted, I do respect your stance and give you even more respect from how you came to it...

thank you for the response :)

Thanks; I appreciate the open dialogue that you and others have provided here. I don't expect to convert anyone with winsome words, just share information to get us all to think. Sometimes it is life and what it throws at us that will have a more profound effect than a preachy sounding sermon.

Each one of us changes in our own due time, usually when we get older and see life for what it is and when we can reflect in a meaningful way.


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[Mia]

I said "started" what wars in history were started to liberate or help anyone. Is there one?

None of those wars were started to liberate or free anyone, vietnam was started with the french, and communists, plo or whatever, the gulf war and WWII were started when one country invaded.

Really? I thought you were more intelligent than this. Hey, I can be wrong once and a while.

Vietnam was started to liberate the Vietnameese from Communists.

The Gulf War was started to liberate Kuwait from Iraq.

WWII was started to liberate Europe from Nazis.

Next question...

[bigdoug]

Actually I was likening extasy to wine, and comparing water to asprin

You don't see the parallel?

You must not have ever ingested ecstasy. Wine and ecstasy are not even close to the same substance or its effects. Wine, as a food and eaten in moderation can be healthy. Ecstasy is not a food and is very unhealthy. I don't think Jesus would have made an unhealthy substance for his friends to eat or drink. What real friend would?

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[Mia]

Don't you ever wonder why that is?



Wonder why what is? Why they hate Bush? No, never wonder. I know. They are mad because he won and their candidate/s lost, not once, but twice. Pretty childish when you think about it.


Forgetting about internal American politics for a moment. Just, for a moment, forget the fact that you are a supporter of Bush.



Really? I never said that. I am a supporter of TRUSH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN way. And I would die or kill protecting all of these things. Someone is finally in the White House that appears to be doing that, so on that note, I'm quite content.


Clinton was not hated throughout the world.



As compared to who? What statistics show this? Every president is equally hated and loved on both sides. I see no difference now, as it was then outside of MEDIA coverage, which is owned entirely by leftist interests (including FOX).

On the contrary, he was, for the most part, pretty well respected.


That's a stretch. Ask the Brits how respected he was when he entertained a known Irish Terrorist in the White House. Ask the Saudis how respected he was when he gave aid and comfort to Osma Bin (what a dumb name) Laden. I could go on...

Ultimately the rest of the world saw Clinton as a JOKE. They did not respect him, liked him perhaps. There is a difference.

I think that's largely due to the fact that he was an intelligent and peaceful man.



You lost me there. I think if you said, "they liked him due to the fact he was a "do nothing" president" you would be pretty much in the ball park.


(At least he appeared to be outside the USA) Bush does not appear to be either intelligent or peaceful.



How so? So you are saying only morons make it into the White House. Let's see how many presidents have their been in nearly 250 years? It's not something just anyone can do, or would do. I'm inclined to think that Bush is a bit more intelligent than you want to give him credit for. After all, more Americans voted for him than any other candidate. More Americans wanted him to be president, not once but twice. What does that say about all those Americans then? Are they unintelligent too?

Again, because you do not like him, you resort to childish name calling. It's really getting old.

So on the "peaceful" front you are going to tell me that he was not "peaceful" prior to 9/11? Yeah , come to think of it, I seem to remember when Texas decided to go to war with the rest of the US when Bush was governor. Come on, the guy was a drunk for how many years? From what I have heard and seen of his "happier" days he was passive, sedate, and the life of the party. Anything but aggressive and "un-peaceful".

You do know there is a war going on right?


That's why he is hated throughout the world.


No he is hated because some people are jealous of him, jealous that he is president and their candidate is not. They hate him because he is right most of the time. They hate him because he is doing the job they could not. They hate him because he is undoing the mess that Clinton left behind, economy failing, unemployment up, interest rates high, no energy policy, and no solution for SS. They hate him, because he is getting the job done.



That's why people are disgusted by him. But, I don't think the rest of the world (all 5 billion of us) have lost our ability to reason and think intelligently. We just don't like the man and we know he's bad for the world. Period.



5 billion people are disgusted by Bush? Ok, hmmm where are the stats on that? It's that statement that convinces me, yes so much angst, hatred and brainwashing has caused you to lose your mind... That and a few others. FEW being the key word here.

5 billion... You crack me up. That's a new one on me. Funny stuff!!!



To a Bush supporter like yourself, that might be a little hard to hear, but it doesn't mean that the rest of us are crazy. Think about it.

Hard to hear? No. Old? Yes. What is "hard to hear" is the truth. That my friend is why you are so angry and why a handful hate Bush.

[Mia]

He's Pro-Bush. Do you really need to ask?

It's statements like these that boggle the mind. I think you have the liberal mentality confused with reason and sensibility again.

Right = Think for ourselves.
Left = Let us think for you!

That is what drew me to the right in the first place, the fact that I can disagree with anything, and still be accepted. I just cannot imagine the daily torture and "Clock Work Orange" psychosis that must take place as union workers receive almost daily loads of junk mail TELLING them where they can shop, where they can get gas, and who they are to vote for.

Free your mind, leave the dark side. Imagine being able to go into a voting booth and vote for a democrat alderman, and a Republican Mayor, or Sheriff, or visa versa? I love the freedom to think for myself. It is so liberating.

No, sorry man, Will and I did not receive a book with our marching orders. We do not have a list of approved things we can and can't do. That is why you find so many Black Republicans, Mexican Republicans, Gay and Lesbian Republicans, etc. Some don't like to be told what to do, they like to think for themselves.

What a concept.

[ferret77]

Vietnam was started to liberate the Vietnameese from Communists.

The Gulf War was started to liberate Kuwait from Iraq.

WWII was started to liberate Europe from Nazis.

Actually I think the gulf was was started by saddam when he invaded kuwait, WWII was started when the nazis invaded poland, i think most historians would agree.

[Mia]

That whole Monica thing seemed to bother you guys a lot more than it bothered the rest of us. He's human. Nobody was hurt. Get over it.


I think you missed the point. Had he come (no pun) out and said, hey, hell yeah, daddy like; I tapped sum a dat!!!

Had he just told the truth, I and I am willing the bet a vast majority would never gave it much thought.

But as to hurt? Yes, people were hurt. He cheated on his wife. Of course with her power hungry nature, I am confident she knew full well what she would have to endure on the way to accomplishing her satanic goals. But here we have his daughter? What about her? Imagine the snickering in school, hell it was on TV EVERYWHERE for months. I cannot imagine that was pleasant for her.

And what of the US and the American people.... All that time, energy and money wasted because the ass could not just come out and tell the truth.

There was a lot of "hurt" done. All he had to do was own up.


And... if you wish me to choose between inaction by Clinton and action by Bush, that's an easy one. Inaction by Clinton, because, again, he didn't make the world any worse than it is.

Ah really... Look at the mess we are all cleaning up because of his inaction.

Where have you been? Under a rock for the last few years?

[yo-yo]

Saddam started the war in Iraq when he broke international laws for years, murdered thousands of Kurds, and let his boy’s rape and torture good women and children.

When are we invading and occupying Sudan.. because you just described it ;)

OWNED

[Mia]

Actually I think the gulf was was started by saddam when he invaded kuwait, WWII was started when the nazis invaded poland, i think most historians would agree.

Ah, yeah, Saddam did invade Kuwait, but he did not declare war on them, and certainly did not call it "the Gulf War." He just took the place over because Kuwait had the audacity to "call the note" (they wanted Saddam to pay them back all the money they loaned him during the Iran/Iraq War.)

It became the "Gulf War" when the US Congress Declared War and Bush the first kicked Saddys ass back to Bagdad.

eg, when the US Liberated Kuwait. (27 Feb 1991 U.S. "Gulf War" liberates Kuwait and declares ceasefire)

WWII was not called WWII in 39 when Hitler invaded Poland. There was a war, but it was not a World War, nor was it called that. WWI as it would become known as, was called the Great War, the War of the Nations and the War to End All Wars. It was not until WWII that WWI even got it's title as a "World War". There were several wars taking place all over the world at the time, Japan, Germany, hell Finland was involved in THREE separate wars at the time, one in which the Soviets attacked them... During the SAME Period in time (1939).

France and Great Brittan declared war on Germany 2 days after the invasion of Poland. It was not until June and December of 1941 that the last of the "Big Three" the Soviet Union and the US entered the war to LIBERATE EUROPE!!!

The US was never attacked by Germany. The US entered the war in Europe to liberate, and that is what they did.

OWNED.

[GTech]

When are we invading and occupying Sudan.. because you just described it ;)

Works for me. Glad to see you supporting something worthwhile, for a change.

[gworld]

I used to do drugs; coke, marijuana, and a host of other psychotic drugs, and I am glad to have them out of my life. Going to jail helped me to examine my life along with getting an accurate knowledge of God years later.

See, I can speak from experience. I owned knight clubs in Florida, where I did more drugs and had more sex than 50 men could have in a lifetime. My father still owns nightclubs, and he is slowly getting out of that life. I have had to live with the consequences of a debauched lifestyle: Venereal disease, DUI’s, drunken fighting, broken homes, and jail time. That is why I am so adamantly apposed to it. I can see the damage first hand, and what it does to lives.

There is no harmless recreational drug, nor is there any harmless or recreational sex. Vices are what they are, just like war is what it is, and anyone can rationalize what they do in life despite the apparent problems that come in the form of a consequence. That’s why laws on minor crime are useless.


The only thing that your post proves:

1- You were not mentally stable to handle drugs and you went crazy with it (The same thing can happen with alcohol, you remember wine that Jesus made from water).

2- Your inability to deal with real life caused you to go to Jail.

3- You became sick Venereal disease (either because unwanted sex in Jail) or being too dumb and not using condom.

4- You found Jesus, became a new born Christian and decided that this is the only accepted way for the whole society.

If you were too dumb or unprepared to handle real life (what the rest of us do on daily bases), what makes you think that you have all of the sudden changed and know all the answers because you have gone to church couple of times or decided to real a book that is 2000 years old and filled with factual mistakes? :rolleyes:

I have a news for you, you are still an addict that is not capable to deal with reality; you have just replaced your previous addiction with your new drug called religion. ;)

[bigdoug]

When are we invading and occupying Sudan.. because you just described it ;)

OWNED

Soon,

Served!

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[yo-yo]

The US was never attacked by Germany. The US entered the war in Europe to liberate, and that is what they did.

Actually... if you stop re-writing history for a minute, I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan.

OWNED ;)

[ferret77]

in ever other war, someone else was the agressor, is this the first war in US history where we are the agressor?

[GTech]

I have a news for you, you are still an addict that is not capable to deal with reality; you have just replaced your previous addiction with your new drug called religion. ;)

There's nothing quite so illuminating as watching gworld dispense prescriptive advice. If only we all had gone to collage!

[bigdoug]

The only thing that your post proves:

1- You were not mentally stable to handle drugs and you went crazy with it (The same thing can happen with alcohol, you remember wine that Jesus made from water).

2- Your inability to deal with real life caused you to go to Jail.

3- You became sick Venereal disease (either because unwanted sex in Jail) or being too dumb and not using condom.

4- You found Jesus, became a new born Christian and decided that this is the only accepted way for the whole society.

If you were too dumb or unprepared to handle real life (what the rest of us do on daily bases), what makes you think that you have all of the sudden changed and know all the answers because you have gone to church couple of times or decided to real a book that is 2000 years old and filled with factual mistakes? :rolleyes:

I have a news for you, you are still an addict that is not capable to deal with reality; you have just replaced your previous addiction with your new drug called religion. ;)

Wow, everyone handles premarital sex and drugs so well, that it has not caused society any pain. As a matter of fact, that is why society has resisted for so long, because of all the good that can come from this behavior. Even atheist get it Gworld, why not you?

Condoms are the answer? Measured drug abuse is the answer?

You want to know how stupid your argument sounds, not even do those in the animal kingdom wear condoms, and they stick to their own kind. Its laughable what humans will do in the pursuit of enjoyment?

I prefer natural sex with my wife, instead of artificial gratification with a synthetic piece of plastic (condom). Do you eat your food with plastic Gworld?

Lets see: you take drugs to escape reality, and have sex in an unreality way, and yet you think I am nuts.

Hmmmmmmm…..:rolleyes:

Owned


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[lorien1973]

in ever other war, someone else was the agressor, is this the first war in US history where we are the agressor?
US isn't the aggressor in Iraq. Read the terms of the cease-fire from the original conflict. There was never a treaty of peace. If Iraq didn't live up to the terms of the cease fire, the US (and the coalition) had the right to go in again. The US felt that Iraq was not living up to them, so it went in again.

Iraq disavowed the cease fire on many occassions (locking onto planes in the no-fly zone, firing missiles at planes in the no-fly zones, and not allowing UN inspections to go on unimpeded) - just no one did anything about it.

Whole situation in Iraq could have been avoided if Bush I had kept his word and took Saddam from power then, but he was too concerned with his coalition to do so.

[yo-yo]

Wow, everyone handles premarital sex and drugs so well, that it has not caused society any pain.

Like all things - guns, drugs, sex, gambling, DVRs, internet, video games, TV - can be abused and mistreated by dumb people. Just because some dumb people abuse things, everyone should be forced to stop?

After you went, had all your fun with sex and partying, you want to force everyone else to stop - because you abused and couldn't handle it? :confused:


You want to know how stupid your argument sounds, not even do those in the animal kingdom wear condoms,

Those in the animal kingdom don't marry, the males don't take care of their children, they don't live in houses, they don't start wars, they sometimes even eat each other.

Are you saying, we should do like animals do? :confused:

2x ONWED

[ferret77]

Wow, everyone handles premarital sex and drugs so well, that it has not caused society any pain. As a matter of fact, that is why society has resisted for so long, because of all the good that can come from this behavior. Even atheist get it Gworld, why not you?

I think a lot of people handle premartial sex just fine, and I think a lot of people handle drinking and drugging fine, there are always people who take things to extremes but you can't condemn everyone because you had a bad expereience, well actually you can condemn all you want but its not very rationale.

[yo-yo]

but its not very rationale.

I'm not sure he knows what rationale is.

He just used animals to reason that he shouldn't wear condoms because it's unatural.

Hey doug, do you still have sex for pleasure? You shouldn't it's not natural (http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/pleasure.htm), animals don't do it. You can only have sex if you're trying to get your woman pregnant. Of course you have to leave her afterwards if you want it to be natural.

[ferret77]

Iraq disavowed the cease fire on many occassions (locking onto planes in the no-fly zone, firing missiles at planes in the no-fly zones, and not allowing UN inspections to go on unimpeded) - just no one did anything about it.

Do you know when they fired the missiles? I am trying to look up more info about it.

[lorien1973]

Oh, they did it quite a few times during the Clinton administration. I don't remember dates exactly. They did it in 2002 as well. I remember the footage on the news.

I'm not sure, but didn't clinton even fire some missiles into Iraq during the 90's as well? Sure did.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

[yo-yo]

Do you know when they fired the missiles? I am trying to look up more info about it.

According to this (unbiased of course ;)) article from USAtoday they started in 99 and claim 300 (unsourced) incidents:

No-fly zones. Iraqi forces in 1999 began frequent missile and anti-aircraft attacks on U.S. and British planes patrolling two no-fly zones in northern and southern Iraq. The zones protect Iraq's minority Kurds and Shiites. Incidents so far stand at more than 300.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-09-04-edit_x.htm

[Mia]

Actually... if you stop re-writing history for a minute, I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan.



Which war? The War with Japan, or the War in Europe? Two different things. Either way, it is a bit more complicated than you are stating. Historians figure the US had been involved in the war in Europe as far back as 1939, perhaps sooner.

December 8th, 1941 the US and Great Britain declared war on Japan. 3 days later, (no one is quite sure why, because they certainly do not need to) Germany declared war on the US. about another couple days go by and the US declares war on Germany and Italy.

The US entrance to the War in Europe was a long time coming. Japan attacking us, and the US declaring war on Japan was merely a stepping stone to our real goal which was helping the UK to liberate Europe and stop the spread of nazism. The US had been involved pretty heavily in that goal well prior to 41. Sometimes legally, sometime barely floating on the line of the law, if that. Unfortunately FDR's hands were tied throughout much of the various wars going on in Europe. Though he did find ways to assist, and did. He managed to get them ships, tanks, weapons, and other supplies... I'd suggest reading up on the Land Lease Act, the Atlantic Charter, a few of which come to mind.

So to your original statment: "I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan."

Incorrect. We enterted it sooner than that. We just declared war on Japan "after we were attacked by Japan." We'd been involved in the War in Europe for quite some time.

[Mia]

in ever other war, someone else was the agressor, is this the first war in US history where we are the agressor?

Poor choice of words, but that does not surprise me.

Try, offensive, not agressor.

We are on the Offensive. And yes we have been on the offensive in just about every war we have been in. Get on the defensive and you have things like "Vietnam".

[Mia]

Whole situation in Iraq could have been avoided if Bush I had kept his word and took Saddam from power then, but he was too concerned with his coalition to do so.

Do keep in mind that we did not have a plan for that. Had they done it then, it would have been a complete disaster.

Personally one of the things I am most proud of in this country is the fact that this is the first time I can remember a sitting president and congress setting an objective, carrying out that objective and doing nothing more than what that objective was.

The objective was to remove Saddam and his army from Kuwait and liberate the Kuwaiti people. That was it. There was no plan to follow Saddam to Bagdad.

Besides, had we done it then do you really think the rest of the world (meaning those few nut cases that hate Bush) would be appauding the heck out of Bush The First?

Hind sight is always 20/20. Personally waiting was the best thing to do. It gave the entire world, the US, the UN, everyone the opportunity to try things peacefully. 12 years later when that did not work, they still complain. Either way, what's done is done.

[bigdoug]

After you went, had all your fun with sex and partying, you want to force everyone else to stop - because you abused and couldn't handle it? :confused:


See, you say I had fun (you don’t know me), when in reality I was miserable like all the other debased people I hung around. No trust, little happiness and a lot of side effects. I lost good friends when they lost their life to drugs and partying. Everyone thinks they can do a better job at handling drugs than their counterpart. I just lost an old friend to drugs when he fell of a boat and drowned in 4 feet of water. He never listned to me either.


I have never seen happy people who did drugs for an extended period and I unlike you have been around. Your “everything can be abused” argument is nothing but a lame excuse to do wrong. You would be hard pressed to find a good example because there are none.

Why not say you can die from a lightning bolt, so who cares what I do with my body.

Speaking of the animal kingdom, I have yet to see a bird have sex with a dog, or a cat has sex with a monkey. That is what I mean as natural is in their world. Your argument is so lame when you say they have sex with multiple partners, because that is the animal kingdom, Dah!

At least they produce offspring, and not butt disease.:p


Owned!

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[ferret77]

and not butt disease

People in Glass houses ....

[Mia]

Those in the animal kingdom don't marry, the males don't take care of their children, they don't live in houses, they don't start wars, they sometimes even eat each other.

Eat each other, but don't start wars? Depends on the animal. Some do start wars. Perhaps not in the way that humans do, but...

As to mating it really depends again on the animal. When it comes to Wolves, they mate for life. And yes, the male does take care of the family, and they have been known to live in places man once called home, undergrond dwellings they MAKE themselves, called dens.

I could go on, but what the hell for... This discussion is well off the off topic scale.



Are you saying, we should do like animals do? :confused:

2x ONWED

WTF is "ON" "WED" ?

[ferret77]

I'm not sure, but didn't clinton even fire some missiles into Iraq during the 90's as well? Sure did.

I remember that, I guess you could consider that first agression, we shuld have probably bomded him more.

[bigdoug]

People in Glass houses ....

This is not condemnation, but education that you don’t hear anymore. I for one judge no one. I did enough bad things in my life that I must repent for.

But if you touched fire as a child and was severely burned, wouldn’t you try to convince others (especially your children) not to do the same.

Is that not what you are doing when it comes to war?

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[ferret77]

Doug its one thing to try to help people understand if they are not happy doing whatver "vice" they are doing, that they can change, another to condemn them.

You don't really sound like you want to warn anyone, you sound like a xenophobic, homophobic, paranoid recluse

First you say this


That’s why I live on top of a mountain (4000 ft), in the woods, and we avoid cites like the plague. I like keeping my car, not exposing my kids to seeing two men holding hands, or freak hairdos, where it is difficult to discern who is a man and who is a women.

then you say this

I for one judge no one.

Don't you see you are passing judgement on everyone who doesn't live like you live?

[debunked]

Doug, that is the whole point. People don't want to hear if it can be harmful or not, but they do want to blame someone when they do get hurt. I am so glad we voted Bush as our president to blame. I can imagine how many people blame him for their personal problems such as std's, alcoholism, drug addictions, wrecking their cars, killing their brother, you name it, it is somehow tied to bush.

then some of us live in reality....

[ferret77]

I can imagine how many people blame him for their personal problems such as std's, alcoholism, drug addictions, wrecking their cars, killing their brother, you name it, it is somehow tied to bush.

Personally I have never heard anyone in real life or on this forum blame GW for any of those things

[ferret77]

Doug I just looed back thru some of your posts

and found this

Side Note: I was born in Montana in 1968. I have paid my taxis, never had a problem with authorities, do not do drugs, drink in moderation, and mostly sit back as I watch the world become more depraved with its sex practices and drug vices. I could care less if the government spied on every boring conversation and email I made. I have nothing to hide like the modern criminal and terrorist thug.


when you say this

never had a problem with authorities,

then you say you have been in jail, one seems to be bullshit

So which jail was it again?

[yo-yo]

So to your original statment: "I believe we entered the war after we were attacked by Japan."

Incorrect. We enterted it sooner than that.

Umm... read what you just wrote:

December 8th, 1941 the US and Great Britain declared war on Japan. 3 days later, (no one is quite sure why, because they certainly do not need to) Germany declared war on the US. about another couple days go by and the US declares war on Germany and Italy.

So you just said, we didn't declare war on anyone UNTIL AFTER JAPAN ATTACKED US, just like I stated. So I AM CORRECT, and you mam, are wrong. ;)

[gworld]

and not butt disease


People in Glass houses ....

Maybe doug is suffering from butt disease as a result of his stay in jail. ;)

[yo-yo]

See, you say I had fun (you don’t know me), when in reality I was miserable like all the other debased people

I don't think anyone here is actually idiotic enough ( and we do have some really dense people here ) to believe you weren't enjoying yourself during sex.


Your “everything can be abused” argument is nothing but a lame excuse to do wrong.

Wrong according to who? Who exactly decides right from wrong? I'm not religious, so don't start with your Jesus crap. It's up to an individual to decide what he believes to be right from wrong.

Speaking of the animal kingdom, I have yet to see a bird have sex with a dog, or a cat has sex with a monkey.

Do some reading other than the Bible and you might actually learn something TRUE once in a while:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030808081854.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolphin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorse

[gworld]

Doug I just looed back thru some of your posts

and found this


Side Note: I was born in Montana in 1968. I have paid my taxis, never had a problem with authorities, do not do drugs, drink in moderation, and mostly sit back as I watch the world become more depraved with its sex practices and drug vices. I could care less if the government spied on every boring conversation and email I made. I have nothing to hide like the modern criminal and terrorist thug.



when you say this



never had a problem with authorities,


then you say you have been in jail, one seems to be bullshit

So which jail was it again?

It seems his butt disease has effected his brain too. :rolleyes:

[Mia]

Umm... read what you just wrote:



So you just said, we didn't declare war on anyone UNTIL AFTER JAPAN ATTACKED US, just like I stated. So I AM CORRECT, and you mam, are wrong. ;)

Entered vs Declared

There IS a difference. Be careful!

Nope, you are still wrong...

[bigdoug]

Doug I just looed back thru some of your posts

and found this



when you say this



then you say you have been in jail, one seems to be bullshit

So which jail was it again?

I was being facetious ferret, and you know that. You wanted me to be a prude, so I acted like one…;)

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[ferret77]

now you are starting to seem a little creepy

[bigdoug]

now you are starting to seem a little creepy

This from a person who doesn’t mind two men holding hands?

Back to war; soon Iraq will be over and then what?

United Nations will wipe out creepy people like me soon enough using various militaries throughout the earth.

Then you can party all nightlong ferret…


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[GTech]

This from a person who doesn’t mind two men holding hands?

There's more to that than you may realize :eek:

Saddle up!

[gworld]

This from a person who doesn’t mind two men holding hands?

Back to war; soon Iraq will be over and then what?

United Nations will wipe out creepy people like me soon enough using various militaries throughout the earth.

Then you can party all nightlong ferret…


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United nation didn't attack Iraq, USA did. Why should united nation or for that matter any one else care about you unless they are going to laugh at your stupidity. :rolleyes:

[bigdoug]

United nation didn't attack Iraq, USA did. Why should united nation or for that matter any one else care about you unless they are going to laugh at your stupidity. :rolleyes:

United Nations will attack all religion very soon. Then you will remember that crazy Doug told you so. :D

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[bigdoug]

There's more to that than you may realize :eek:

Saddle up!

Isn’t that the truth? Have you seen the movie deliverance? :eek:


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[bigdoug]

I don't think anyone here is actually idiotic enough ( and we do have some really dense people here ) to believe you weren't enjoying yourself during sex.

It wasn’t the sex that was bad; it was how everyone feels after the fact and the consequences of our actions.


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[gworld]

United Nations will attack all religion very soon. Then you will remember that crazy Doug told you so. :D

D

How? Why? What army are they going to use or are you referring to their different literacy programs? :rolleyes:

At least you are honest about being crazy. ;)

[bigdoug]

How? Why? What army are they going to use or are you referring to their different literacy programs? :rolleyes:

At least you are honest about being crazy. ;)

Religion is the problem of the world, and you know it. And major militaries, such as US, China, Russia will most likely take the forefront. It wont be that long before it happens. One more major attach and the ball will start rolling.


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[GTech]

Isn’t that the truth? Have you seen the movie deliverance?

I don't think I ever saw it. Have heard of it. Was just checking the movie DB and I don't recall seeing it.

[bigdoug]

I don't think I ever saw it. Have heard of it. Was just checking the movie DB and I don't recall seeing it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068473/


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[lorien1973]

Its a pretty bad movie. Whenever someone mentions deliverance, its inevitably about the inbred backwoods people playing banjos.

[gworld]

Its a pretty bad movie. Whenever someone mentions deliverance, its inevitably about the inbred backwoods people playing banjos.

Are you describing doug? :D

[bigdoug]

Are you describing doug? :D

Hey, I don't play the Banjo :D



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[yo-yo]

It wasn’t the sex that was bad; it was how everyone feels after the fact and the consequences of our actions.

Really? because i'm unmarried and have had plenty of sex with different women. I've never had "bad feelings" after the fact as you describe. And I've never noticed a partner have anything but good feelings after the fact.

Maybe it's a performance issue doug?

Religion is the problem of the world, and you know it. And major militaries, such as US, China, Russia will most likely take the forefront. It wont be that long before it happens. One more major attach and the ball will start rolling.

It's very possible, except they won't be attacking christians, they'll be attacking everyone else.

[Crazy_Zap]

Religion is the problem of the world, and you know it. And major militaries, such as US, China, Russia will most likely take the forefront. It wont be that long before it happens. One more major attach and the ball will start rolling.


D

Religion has a tendency to F*CK a lot of things up. I am all for people following whatever religion they want. But why do so many of you religious crack pots want to force everyone within striking distance to follow your example? What is with the need to induct people into your cult? :mad:

Live and let live is my motto and if you can't handle that, then maybe I shouldn't let you live. :)

[bigdoug]

Really? because i'm unmarried and have had plenty of sex with different women. I've never had "bad feelings" after the fact as you describe. And I've never noticed a partner have anything but good feelings after the fact.
.

Denial :rolleyes:


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[debunked]

Denial :rolleyes:


D

Not necessarily denial, but ignorant of what can be different. Sometimes you just don't know until you get outside of the box.

I see lots of people ruled by peer pressure and they don't know that it isn't a physical control, but just a mental control until they actually just step out of it. Then from the outside you can see how so many look like cattle herded towards the slaughter without a clue. I see the cattle who have the 4 bedroom, 3 bath, 2 story, very nice house on the hillside with the BMW and SUV parked in the driveway with their 2.1 kids (I guess the dog is the .1 kid LOL) and everyone on the street is the same (keeping up with the Jones') Then dad leaves for the girl half his age and buys the sports car to show his desperation.

[yo-yo]

Not necessarily denial, but ignorant of what can be different. Sometimes you just don't know until you get outside of the box.

I take pride in the fact that I think outside the box as much as possible. Maybe you haven't seen my 9/11 thread ;)

I see lots of people ruled by peer pressure and they don't know that it isn't a physical control, but just a mental control until

Again, I hope you're not speaking of me, because peer pressure hasn't had any power over me since 8th grade :D

I don't want to marry, don't want kids, and won't be satisfied with an average house surrounded by clones 5 feet away.

[bigdoug]

I don't want to marry, don't want kids, and won't be satisfied with an average house surrounded by clones 5 feet away.

Liberace said the same thing in 1980 :D


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[ferret77]

Not necessarily denial, but ignorant of what can be different. Sometimes you just don't know until you get outside of the box.

You guys are some of the most in the box people I know, have any of you guys ever done anything other then what you were told or supposed to do.

Oh yeah sex is terrible dirty thing, that why every normal person in world under the age 50 is plotting on were to get some.

Yes Doug I find compulsive liars much more creepy then homosexuals, in terms of company I would rather be around homos then over weird religious liars.

Why don't you make some more stories about yourself so I can laugh at you and help me feel superior.

The fact that you take the time to go on message boards and make up lies about stuff as personal as finding religion, just reaffirms many belief that if someone starts spouting religious stuff then most likely they are full shit.

[Crazy_Zap]

You guys are some of the most in the box people I know.

They should all change their name to Jack.

[ferret77]

You guys are some of the most in the box people I know, have any of you guys ever done anything other then what you were told or supposed to do.

Actually thats a total generalization, you guys might be wild and crazy guys , but in terms of politics you seem to tow the part line as close as possible.

[debunked]

You guys are some of the most in the box people I know, have any of you guys ever done anything other then what you were told or supposed to do.

Oh yeah sex is terrible dirty thing, that why every normal person in world under the age 50 is plotting on were to get some.

Yes Doug I find compulsive liars much more creepy then homosexuals, in terms of company I would rather be around homos then over weird religious liars.

Why don't you make some more stories about yourself so I can laugh at you and help me feel superior.

The fact that you take the time to go on message boards and make up lies about stuff as personal as finding religion, just reaffirms many belief that if someone starts spouting religious stuff then most likely they are full of.

If you are pointing at me, then you are wrong for sure... But what would you know from inside your little box, you probably won't even open it enough to let the light in. LOL

I still don't see what you are attempting to argue with Doug about?? Sex is awesome when it is with a wife, it is outside of that there are repercussions, that if you don't see them, (oh ya forgot about your little box, sorry.....How un-PC of me to mention your disability..)

[ferret77]

Sex is awesome when it is with a wife, it is outside of that there are repercussions, that if you don't see them, (oh ya forgot about your little box, sorry.....How un-PC of me to mention your disability..)

So what you are saying is the if you enjoy sex with someone other then a wife then, you are in denial, or a "box"?

You honeslty believe that?

[debunked]

I take pride in the fact that I think outside the box as much as possible. Maybe you haven't seen my 9/11 thread ;)


Are you kidding??? Most college sheep err,.. students believe all the stuff you posted without realizing the errors in the logic and physics of what is on most of the sites linked to. Sure there are some good theories and examples of posibilities but most can be debunked by real sciencetific study of physics involved.

Your 9/11 thread proved your box is shut tight.

[debunked]

So what you are saying is the if you enjoy sex with someone other then a wife then, you are in denial, or a "box"?

You honestly believe that?

Are you honestly that dumb or are you trying to create an argument for argument's sake? Did I say denial in that last part? hmmm. Do you know what the word repercussions means? (maybe that is where I lost you? It doesn't mean denial, look it up and it might help you understand what I said, it really isn't that complex of a sentence.)

[Crazy_Zap]

Sex is awesome when it is with a wife, it is outside of that there are repercussions, that if you don't see them

Any wife? Or does it have to be your own wife? :D

By the way, sex with your own wife can also have serious repercussions. Diapers! :D I'd say that qualifies as serious! :D

[debunked]

Any wife? Or does it have to be your own wife? :D

By the way, sex with your own wife can also have serious repercussions. Diapers! :D I'd say that qualifies as serious! :D

I would have to say that was pretty funny. I should know I have 6 kids

[Crazy_Zap]

I would have to say that was pretty funny. I should know I have 6 kids

6 KIDS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I've got one and she's a handful! :eek:

[debunked]

6 KIDS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I've got one and she's a handful! :eek:

You must be new around these parts. Yes, 6 kids from 1 to 16 that will have great promise for their futures. I only have 1 daughter so it isn't that bad, LOL.

[gworld]

I still don't see what you are attempting to argue with Doug about?? Sex is awesome when it is with a wife, it is outside of that there are repercussions, that if you don't see them, (oh ya forgot about your little box, sorry.....How un-PC of me to mention your disability..)

:confused:

Tell us what are these repercussions that results from having sex with someone other than a wife. :rolleyes:

[debunked]

:confused:

Tell us what are these repercussions that results from having sex with someone other than a wife. :rolleyes:

I thought you went to college, so they should have taught you something. Common sense may not be an elective but just try to think for a second and there should be some obvious ones that come to mine.

[yo-yo]

but most can be debunked by real sciencetific study of physics involved.

Then why has no one claimed the $1,000,000 for proving explosives couldn't have brought down WTC? www.reopen911.org

Then why are hundreds of physics involved in proving 911 couldn't happen like you wish it did? www.physics911.net

:rolleyes:

[Mia]

Your asking for common sense from a Canadian? Come one now. Common sense from our neighbors in the north consists of blaming the US when gun violence is out of control.

[debunked]

Your asking for common sense from a Canadian? Come one now. Common sense from our neighbors in the north consists of blaming the US when gun violence is out of control.

I saw that. I was thinking gworld must be part of that group that say it is our fault for criminals wanting guns and using them, but don't forget they don't have crime in Canada cause they don't use capitol punishment.

[Mia]

Then why has no one claimed the $1,000,000 for proving explosives couldn't have brought down WTC? www.reopen911.org (http://www.reopen911.org)

Then why are hundreds of physics involved in proving 911 couldn't happen like you wish it did? www.physics911.net (http://www.physics911.net)

:rolleyes:

Is this that nut case group of sites that claims the WTC was detroyed by a controlled demolition? Morons...

[Crazy_Zap]

Your asking for common sense from a Canadian? Come one now. Common sense from our neighbors in the north consists of blaming the US when gun violence is out of control.

Common sense is NOT lumping 30 million people together and labelling them. :p

[Crazy_Zap]

I saw that. I was thinking gworld must be part of that group that say it is our fault for criminals wanting guns and using them, but don't forget they don't have crime in Canada cause they don't use capitol punishment.

We have crime here, just not as much per capita as you guys. It's too friggin' cold! :)

[bigdoug]

A liberal is simply a republican who has not been mugged yet! :D

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[gworld]

I thought you went to college, so they should have taught you something. Common sense may not be an elective but just try to think for a second and there should be some obvious ones that come to mine.

In other words, you have no answer. :rolleyes:

[bigdoug]

Yes Doug I find compulsive liars much more creepy then homosexuals, in terms of company I would rather be around homos then over weird religious liars.

Why don't you make some more stories about yourself so I can laugh at you and help me feel superior.

The fact that you take the time to go on message boards and make up lies about stuff as personal as finding religion, just reaffirms many belief that if someone starts spouting religious stuff then most likely they are full shit.

That’s what liberals do to Rush and Michael Savage. They take facetious comments out of context, which are meant to stir up controversy, take it at face value, and then call everyone a two-face liar. What’s new Ferret?

I will joke with everyone except you, because you are so stupid and everything fly’s over your head. Back to 3rd grade debates for you little critter.


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[bigdoug]

In other words, you have no answer. :rolleyes:


You first, lets see you think for yourself? ;)

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[gworld]

You first, lets see you think for yourself? ;)

D

If you are referring to your sexual experience in jail, I can understand that it was painful for you but that is not what we normally mean by sex. ;)

I can not see anything negative in having sex with someone who is not your wife. A women does not change because you have signed a piece of paper.

[debunked]

In other words, you have no answer. :rolleyes:

Plenty of answers for your question, but seriously, if you don't know even one then you don't want to know the answers. Try the scientific method that you are an expert at and apply it to STD's and see if you can figure out in what ways sex and STD's are related, then you might get one answer.

LOL

[yo-yo]

Common sense from our neighbors in the north consists of blaming the US when gun violence is out of control.

You mean the same way Republicans blame south america on drugs? Didn't we declare a "war on drugs" too? Another battle we'll never win and throw billions down the drain on ;)

[debunked]

You mean the same way Republicans blame south america on drugs?

Huh??? I must have missed where the republicans blame south america. I do know that there are a lot of drugs brought in from the south but blaming them for the drug problem? Yo-yo I blame you for all the drug problems, but then again I am not really a republican.... LOL

p.s. I love the Bush quote, that was a pretty bad mess up...

[gworld]

Plenty of answers for your question, but seriously, if you don't know even one then you don't want to know the answers. Try the scientific method that you are an expert at and apply it to STD's and see if you can figure out in what ways sex and STD's are related, then you might get one answer.

LOL

How about if your wife had STD before marriage and was not aware of it and you got it after marrying her? How about if your wife like to get her plumbing checked by the plumber and then give you STD?

STD is not prevented by marriage, it is prevented by condom and acting responsibly. ;)

[yo-yo]

apply it to STD's

You are aware, that your wife could also give you an STD right? :rolleyes:

[debunked]

You are aware, that your wife could also give you an STD right? :rolleyes:

And she would get it by the normal means through contact with cats right?!?? come on, don't act so stupid... Do you not know what STD stands for?

[gworld]

And she would get it by the normal means through contact with cats right?!?? come on, don't act so stupid... Do you not know what STD stands for?

She can get it by coming in contact with milkman, postman, plumber, friendly neighbor, your best friend, co-workers,.... or she might had it from her high school time and was not aware that she is sick. ;)

[debunked]

How about if your wife had STD before marriage and was not aware of it and you got it after marrying her? How about if your wife like to get her plumbing checked by the plumber and then give you STD?

STD is not prevented by marriage, it is prevented by condom and acting responsibly. ;)

OK, I have to ask what responsibly means to you in reference to sex and STD's. Responsible to who?

[debunked]

She can get it by coming in contact with milkman, postman, plumber, friendly neighbor, your best friend, co-workers,.... or she might had it from her high school time and was not aware that she is sick. ;)

you are hilarious - you mean through sex.... by being responsible and using condoms I'm sure. LOL

Boy, they sure need to have better sex-ed classes in Canada, but this is where all that sex ed is so important, yet we get people like you who still don't understand that std is sex related..........

[yo-yo]

And she would get it by the normal means through contact with cats right?!?? come on, don't act so stupid... Do you not know what STD stands for?

There's STD's you can get without having sex with anyone. Your wife could get Hepatitis, or AIDS. Herpes or HPV... all without even cheating on you. Then account for all the women who do cheat...

Your wife could give you an STD. Sex with some random girl could give you an STD. You take a risk any time you have sex.

[debunked]

There's STD's you can get without having sex with anyone. Your wife could get Hepatitis, or AIDS. Herpes or HPV... all without even cheating on you. Then account for all the women who do cheat...

Your wife could give you an STD. Sex with some random girl give you an STD. You take a risk any time you have sex.

I suppose that by being responsible, it would be possible to not get any of these then. Hmm, resposibly shooting up? or resposibly prostitute shopping?

(I am not bringing up blood transfusions, because the risk is becoming much slimmer and that isn't the main cause)

[tesla]

You mean the same way Republicans blame south america on drugs? Didn't we declare a "war on drugs" too? Another battle we'll never win and throw billions down the drain on

You're right on target. The only thing the "war on drugs" has done is put more drugs on the street and more Americans in prison.

Huh??? I must have missed where the republicans blame south america. I do know that there are a lot of drugs brought in from the south but blaming them for the drug problem?

You should do research on a investigative journalist named Gary Webb. He did a documentary on the drug cartels and showed how they are in the pockets of our government back in 1996.

In 2004 he supposedly commited "suicide" even though there were two bullets found in his head and despite him warning friends that he saw guys dressed in military gear outside his home.

[gworld]

OK, I have to ask what responsibly means to you in reference to sex and STD's. Responsible to who?

As a member of a society, you must have a sense of responsibility to everyone else in that society. This is the same type of responsibility that stops us to go out and shoot people just because we have gun or start running over people because we are driving a car.

1- For casual sex always use condoms.
2- Have unprotected sex only with those that you are in long term relationship and you are both sure that neither of you is sick.
3- If you are having sex with different multiple partners frequently, get yourself tested on regular bases for example 3-6 months.
4- If you catch any sexual disease, do not have any sexual activity during the treatment time and inform your partners that they should test themselves too.

There is always dangers associated with any activity. Sex is no more dangerous than driving, having a gun or drinking if it is done responsibly.

[yo-yo]

I suppose that by being responsible, it would be possible to not get any of these then

Maybe you've never heard of people getting injured? Any time you have an open wound you're at risk with getting AIDS...

Herpes.. she could get from kissing her uncle goodbye or anyone else for that matter ;)

[bigdoug]

How about if your wife had STD before marriage and was not aware of it and you got it after marrying her?

Responsibility is having sex in a marital relationship or remaining abstinent.

How about if your wife like to get her plumbing checked by the plumber and then give you STD?

Saying that a person can cheat on their spouse and bring home a disease would also be irresponsible on the part of the offender. Again one must act responsibly.

STD is not prevented by marriage, it is prevented by condom and acting responsibly.

In marriage, if both apply what is morally right, namely to stay faithful to their mate, then no STD will be transmitted.



You logic is so bad

[yo-yo]

you should do research on a investigative journalist named Gary Webb. He did a documentary on the drug cartels and showed how they are in the pockets of our government back in 1996.

This sums it up pretty well:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/141204webbmurdered.htm

[bigdoug]

[/QUOTE]=yo-yo]There's STD's you can get without having sex with anyone. Your wife could get Hepatitis, or AIDS. Herpes or HPV... all without even cheating on you. [QUOTE]


I give this comment the “stupid prize of the day”

STD stands for sexually transmitted disease.

If a person gets hepatitis or aids through a blood transfusion, doctors call it a transmitted disease. You see, in order to get in STD you must have sex. Sex is referred to skin on skin contact involving the genitals of either party.

Owned again!


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[yo-yo]

STD stands for sexually transmitted disease.

Wow you really are dense aren't you?

AIDS is called an STD. Doesn't mean you can't get it without sex.
Herpes is called an STD. Doesn't mean you can't get it without sex.

The list go's on dummy...

[bigdoug]

Wow you really are dense aren't you?

AIDS is called an STD. Doesn't mean you can't get it without sex.
Herpes is called an STD. Doesn't mean you can't get it without sex.

The list go's on dummy...

Ok Clinton, what does the word "is" mean?


Owned!


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[yo-yo]

Ok Clinton, what does the word "is" mean?

Sexually transmitted disease (STD). - Infections that are most commonly spread through sexual intercourse or genital contact.

http://www.ucsf.edu/wcc/AboutBladderProbs_glossary.html

It doesn't have to be spread through sex to be an STD. :rolleyes:

[Mia]

Maybe you've never heard of people getting injured? Any time you have an open wound you're at risk with getting AIDS...

Are you a complete idiot or just ignorant? "Any time you have an open wound." You've got a lot of unlearning to do.

[GTech]

AIDS is called an STD. Doesn't mean you can't get it without sex.

It's in the corn!

Secret Iranian chicken farmers are coming to take us all away on flying moon pies!

[Will.Spencer]

Are you a complete idiot or just ignorant? "Any time you have an open wound." You've got a lot of unlearning to do.

I guess that would depend on what his boyfriend was doing with that open wound of his. :eek:

[ferret77]

what a knee slapper , gay aids jokes are soooo funny

I saw this and immediatly thought of doug

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

Its actually sort of interesting, even in a fictional sort of way

Doug next time you make a fake life storie on a forum to try to be cool, you should pretend to be a gay person who found jesus and now is straight, that would be a good one.

[bigdoug]

what a knee slapper , gay aids jokes are soooo funny

I saw this and immediatly thought of doug

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

Its actually sort of interesting, even in a fictional sort of way

Doug next time you make a fake life storie on a forum to try to be cool, you should pretend to be a gay person who found jesus and now is straight, that would be a good one.

I bet you could help me to be gay, ferret. ;)


D

[ferret77]

I doubt you need any help, I believe a good percentage of homophobic people are undercover homos

[bigdoug]

I doubt you need any help, I believe a good percentage of homophobic people are undercover homos

Like short brown blended hair, a pointy face, and an elongated body? ;)



D

[Will.Spencer]

Half of all gay men say they were born that way.

What about the other half?

They say that they were sucked into it.

BAH DUM BUMP! :D

[ferret77]

Q: How do you turn a fruit into a vegitable?

A: Have a tiger drag him across the stage....

[bigdoug]

Q: How do you turn a fruit into a vegitable?

A: Have a tiger drag him across the stage....

Now thats Magic!


D

[bigdoug]

Half of all gay men say they were born that way.

What about the other half?

They say that they were sucked into it.

BAH DUM BUMP! :D

Which one is Gworld? :D


D

[gworld]

Which one is Gworld? :D


D

And this is coming from a jail house queen. :rolleyes: :p

[latehorn]

I believe a good percentage of homophobic people are undercover homos
I believe, you homos says so just because you want too scare homophobes away. ;)

[Will.Spencer]

Which one is Gworld?

Judging from gworld's past comments, he prefers his sexual ummm... "partners" to be weak and defenseless.

Don't let gworld near your children, be they male or female.

[gworld]

Judging from gworld's past comments, he prefers his sexual ummm... "partners" to be weak and defenseless.

Don't let gworld near your children, be they male or female.

Little willy, daddy's little girl friend who grow up to be a scared little boy. ;)
It is awful what your dad did to you but don't blame me for it.

[GTech]

Little willy, daddy's little girl friend who grow up to be a scared little boy. ;)
It is awful what your dad did to you but don't blame me for it.

Yea Will, how insensitive of you! gworld has his own kids to blame him! :D

[Will.Spencer]

Yea Will, how insensitive of you! gworld has his own kids to blame him! :D

That's a scary thought GTech.

If I try to imagine a woman desperate enough to sleep with gworld, I get this awful queasy feeling in my stomach and I just want to throw up.

If I try to imagine the children that might be generated by such a horrible disaster... I just can't do it. I just can't imagine the evil spawn of gworld.

[gworld]

Deadly air strike stirs anger

Separately, a U.S. air strike on a house in northern Iraq killed six members of an Iraqi family, prompting anger on Tuesday among minority Sunni Arab political leaders and the local police chief.

The U.S. military said aircraft bombed the building in the northern oil refining town of Baiji late on Monday when three men were spotted from the air going into the house after digging a hole that troops suspected was for a roadside bomb.

Baiji police said six people were killed and three wounded when the house was obliterated. Among the casualties were two police officers, one killed, the other wounded, they added. The youngest casualty was 14, the local police chief said.

“I absolutely confirm there were no terrorists in this house,” police chief Colonel Sufyan Mustafa told Reuters.

“Even if there had been, why didn’t they surround the area and detain the terrorists instead?”

............................................


Last week, the military said an air strike killed 10 people near the nearby town of Hawija after pilots tracked men who had been spotted digging by a roadside.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10681158/

[bigdoug]

Deadly air strike stirs anger

Separately, a U.S. air strike on a house in northern Iraq killed six members of an Iraqi family, prompting anger on Tuesday among minority Sunni Arab political leaders and the local police chief.

The U.S. military said aircraft bombed the building in the northern oil refining town of Baiji late on Monday when three men were spotted from the air going into the house after digging a hole that troops suspected was for a roadside bomb.

Baiji police said six people were killed and three wounded when the house was obliterated. Among the casualties were two police officers, one killed, the other wounded, they added. The youngest casualty was 14, the local police chief said.

“I absolutely confirm there were no terrorists in this house,” police chief Colonel Sufyan Mustafa told Reuters.

“Even if there had been, why didn’t they surround the area and detain the terrorists instead?”

............................................


Last week, the military said an air strike killed 10 people near the nearby town of Hawija after pilots tracked men who had been spotted digging by a roadside.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10681158/

Lesson: don't dig holes by roads in Iraq. I thought those people were smarter than that? :rolleyes:


D

[yo-yo]

Lesson: don't dig holes by roads in Iraq. I thought those people were smarter than that? :rolleyes:

Yeh, because in a country where people are liberated and free everyone knows you get the death penalty for digging a hole. :rolleyes:

[gworld]

Yeh, because in a country where people are liberated and free everyone knows you get the death penalty for digging a hole. :rolleyes:

It is not only death penalty for them but also for their family and anybody else that can be in the house by accident for example a plumber, carpenter, children who are friends with children in that house. :mad:

This kind of action is against Geneva Convention for protection of civilian persons and it is a war crime.

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons (http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/civilianpersons.htm)

[yo-yo]

This kind of action is against Geneva Convention for protection of civilian persons and it is a war crime.

The U.S. is above and beyond any conventions or prosecution for any crimes of course! :cool:

[GTech]

This kind of action is against Geneva Convention for protection of civilian persons and it is a war crime.[/URL]

Oh it is not, you crying putz! Digging wholes and placing roadside bombs that kill our (not yours, the ones you always bash, but then pretend to care about with loving care when you want to show how many have died for your drama fits) is serious bidness.

[GTech]

The U.S. is above and beyond any conventions or prosecution for any crimes of course! :cool:

Some people would make things up to sell their country out too :rolleyes:

[gworld]

Oh it is not, you crying putz! Digging wholes and placing roadside bombs that kill our (not yours, the ones you always bash, but then pretend to care about with loving care when you want to show how many have died for your drama fits) is serious bidness.

Is placing bombs the only reason that some one can dig a hole? :rolleyes:

Even if the person was a terrorist (He was not), how does his action justifies killing his wife, children, neighbor's children or policemen?

“I absolutely confirm there were no terrorists in this house,” police chief Colonel Sufyan Mustafa told Reuters.

Baiji police said six people were killed and three wounded when the house was obliterated. Among the casualties were two police officers, one killed, the other wounded, they added. The youngest casualty was 14, the local police chief said.

[yo-yo]

“I absolutely confirm there were no terrorists in this house,” police chief Colonel Sufyan Mustafa told Reuters.

It doesn't matter what anyone says except Bush. If bush calls those children and police terrorists Gtech believes it ;)


Among the casualties were two police officers, one killed, the other wounded, they added.

So now we're training police who are terrorists? We seem to be making a lot of headway over there in Iraq :D

[bigdoug]

Is placing bombs the only reason that some one can dig a hole? :rolleyes:

Even if the person was a terrorist (He was not), how does his action justifies killing his wife, children, neighbor's children or policemen?

.

Lesson: don’t bring your wife and children with you as you dig a hole by the side of the road. I thought they were smarter than that?


D

[gworld]

Lesson: don’t bring your wife and children with you as you dig a hole by the side of the road. I thought they were smarter than that?


D

Are you back on drug again? They bombed these people house. :rolleyes:

[GTech]

gworld, on your second post why did you intentionally leave out from the original:


“Even if there had been, why didn’t they surround the area and detain the terrorists instead?”


Seems like doubt to me. Doubt you clearly left out above, from your post on the second page. And you don't care, except to use it as a political tool. After all, you want terrorists to win in Iraq, don't want their freedom, hate them because their constitution is based on religion and don't like Iraqi women that tell you to go to hell. Why pretend you care now? Opportunist?

Who do you think you are trying to fool? The lesson is quite clear. Terrorists dig holes alongside roads to blow our troops up. It's sad that it happend, IF (and I don't use those very often) they were not terrorists, but you omitted the "doubt" intentionally to further your daily cause to bash Americans and troops, but don't dig holes. Same lesson applies to speeding towards a checkpoint and disregarding orders to stop. The same troops you often characterize under the same umbrella suggesting they torture.

Look at ya, wizzing in your pants that you found something to bash American and troops with and you can't even strategize on how to use it. I find it a refreshing departure from how you think of people who slit throats and exactly the point I was conveying in that thread. And you fell right into :rolleyes:

You're trying to think, but nothing happens :rolleyes:

[GTech]

Are you back on drug again? They bombed these people house. :rolleyes:

Pop quiz: Houses are next to ______?

I went to the store, I drove home, I turned into my driveway from the ______?

Might want to check that first sentence I quoted. It reads kind of funny :D

[BamaStangGuy]

I supported the removal of Saddam Huessien regardless of why Bush went in there.

It was something that needed to be done over a decade ago. Now we are there and it is done so we finish the job and stick it out.

Anti-War people are nuts just like the religous fanatics they despise.

[gworld]

gworld, on your second post why did you intentionally leave out from the original:


“Even if there had been, why didn’t they surround the area and detain the terrorists instead?”



Seems like doubt to me. Doubt you clearly left out above, from your post on the second page.

In your desire to defend war crimes, you are losing all sense of common sense.

They have stated already that there was no terrorist:


“I absolutely confirm there were no terrorists in this house,” police chief Colonel Sufyan Mustafa told Reuters.


Your question actually makes it even worse for the army:

IF= A possibility, condition, or stipulation

It states that IF army believed they were terrorist, why they didn't surround the house and arrest these people instead of dropping a bomb and EXECUTING indiscriminately the CIVILIANS which is a definition of war crime. :rolleyes:

International Criminal Court (http://www.un.org/law/icc/statute/99_corr/2.htm)

[debunked]

so most people like to dig holes next to the road as a past time in canada I suppose - now I see where the confusion is from. You see in most countries that is not a norm, and in Iraq, the holes are dug to plant bombs - get it now?

[GTech]

In your desire to defend war crimes, you are losing all sense of common sense.


Can we get a grammar check on that? Please don't use content generators to construct your sentences.


They have stated already that there was no terrorist:


Who is "they?" One source in a lone article buried in the center of the page around other stories? Coupled with doubt, no less, too.



It states that IF army believed they were terrorist, why they didn't surround the house and arrest these people instead of dropping a bomb and EXECUTING indiscriminately the CIVILIANS which is a definition of war crime. :rolleyes:


See pop quiz.

Seems like doubt to me. Doubt you clearly left out above, from your post on the second page. And you don't care, except to use it as a political tool. After all, you want terrorists to win in Iraq, don't want their freedom, hate them because their constitution is based on religion and don't like Iraqi women that tell you to go to hell. Why pretend you care now? Opportunist?

gworld, darling, would you pretend to care for me too? Now is the perfect opportunity :D

Got Depends?

[Mia]

so most people like to dig holes next to the road as a past time in canada I suppose - now I see where the confusion is from. You see in most countries that is not a norm, and in Iraq, the holes are dug to plant bombs - get it now?

The holes in Canada are most likely used for their heads :)

[gworld]

so most people like to dig holes next to the road as a past time in canada I suppose - now I see where the confusion is from. You see in most countries that is not a norm, and in Iraq, the holes are dug to plant bombs - get it now?

:confused: :rolleyes:

Some of the reasons people dig a hole any where in the WORLD:

Plant a tree.

Install a road sign.

Install water pipes.

Install / fix telephone cables or electricity cables.

To bury garbage.

..................

Are you suggesting that everyone of these people and their family should be executed because they dig a hole? :rolleyes:

[lorien1973]

appended to list to include Iraq reasons:

bury lots of bodies quickly

hiding bombs

hiding former dictators

[GTech]

:confused: :rolleyes:

Some of the reasons people dig a hole any where in the WORLD:



Does it say anything about why people slit throats or chop off heads?

[yo-yo]

appended to list to include Iraq reasons:

lorien the troll timing in and contributing nothing , as usual. :rolleyes:

bury lots of bodies quickly

You mean the ones our troops blew up? They have a lot of holes to dig, about 30,000 now Bush has admitted to.

hiding bombs

You mean the ones we sold them? :cool:

Considering how much destruction our bombs have brought to Iraq, without know more details, it's perfectly reasonable to assume they could be digging a hole for a LEGIT REASON. Like trying to REBUILD THEIR HOMES OUR BOMBS BLEW UP. Maybe you forgot about that. :rolleyes:

[Mia]

lorien the troll timing in and contributing nothing , as usual. :rolleyes:



You mean the ones our troops blew up? They have a lot of holes to dig, about 30,000 now Bush has admitted to.



You mean the ones we sold them? :cool:

Considering how much destruction our bombs have brought to Iraq, without know more details, it's perfectly reasonable to assume they could be digging a hole for a LEGIT REASON. Like trying to REBUILD THEIR HOMES OUR BOMBS BLEW UP. Maybe you forgot about that. :rolleyes:

Pure bunk as usual. Talk about a troll...

[gworld]

Pure bunk as usual. Talk about a troll...

It look like your are the troll with nothing to contribute to the thread, except stupid one liners attacking other people. ;)

[Mia]

It look like your are the troll with nothing to contribute to the thread, except stupid one liners attacking other people. ;)

Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettel black...

King of Trolls, G.

Go away...

[GTech]

heh, gworld is to DP what Frank Burns was to M*A*S*H

[Mia]

heh, gworld is to DP what Frank Burns was to M*A*S*H

Or what salt is to a wound.

[gworld]

Or what salt is to a wound.

It is always fun to show how stupid the bigots are but I suppose it is not as much fun for the bigots like you. ;)

[ferret77]

I saw this today and thought of you guys

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/kickbackmtn.jpg

[GTech]

It is always fun to show how stupid the bigots are but I suppose it is not as much fun for the bigots like you. ;)

How effective do you find "projection" works? For example, let's say some numbnuts sits around on a forum, day in and day out, attacking Christians and America (and Jews sometimes too), but says he hates all religions the same. But there's one he always defends ferociously. And then he goes back to attacking Christians and American again, and calls others bigots, invoking his favorite group in times of trouble, the kkk.

Tell me, gworld, is the most effective use of projection?

[bigdoug]

Ogrish has a new beheading just for Gworld and Ferret. :rolleyes:


D

[Mia]

It is always fun to show how stupid the bigots are but I suppose it is not as much fun for the bigots like you. ;)

You certainly are. Where on earth you find it necessary to pull race into this is beyond me. A lot of that going on around here lately. Kinda makes you wonder.

[Lgolos]

Damn, this thread has gone offtopic in 417 pages. BTW, the links on the first page don't work anymore.

[Mia]

How effective do you find "projection" works? For example, let's say some numbnuts sits around on a forum, day in and day out, attacking Christians and America (and Jews sometimes too), but says he hates all religions the same. But there's one he always defends ferociously. And then he goes back to attacking Christians and American again, and calls others bigots, invoking his favorite group in times of trouble, the kkk.

Tell me, gworld, is the most effective use of projection?

Like I said.. Pot calling the kettle black. The "bigot" label is no big deal. I understand that Gworld is so desparte to continue an argument about nothing that he will do anything, including making racist statements, name calling and create utter fiction derived from "out of context" copy paste parties he has while doing shots of zima in his Canadian Super Girl Underwoos...

[Mia]

I saw this today and thought of you guys



Ah the total despartion.. It is getting beyond pathetic...

"Press Spins Abramoff as "Republican Scandal"
Media totally ignores Abramoff ties to Dorgan, Reid, Pelosi, Levin."

Dem's sound like Democrats names... Duh, which way did he go, duh, which way did he go.... a hult.... a hullllllttttt...... burp...

Tain't gonna work... The dems think they can spin this into a hate/distrust the right story with the hopes of winning seats in congress this year. That crap never works. American's are not stupid. Most of them anyway... Well, the majority in fact as history (un-rewritten) has proven that several times as of late.

[yo-yo]

American's are not stupid. Most of them anyway...

I suppose you never saw this: http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm ;)

[Mia]

I suppose you never saw this: http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm ;)

And I suppose you never saw: http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

Holy, OWNED>>>>>!!!

[Will.Spencer]

And I suppose you never saw: http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

Holy, OWNED>>>>>!!!

Hahahaha! TWO POINTS FOR MIA; NOTHING BUT NET!

Liberals will believe anything to support their bizarre positions.

[yo-yo]

Holy, OWNED>>>>>!!!

Some things are too good to be true I suppose. I'll admit you got me there :o

[bigdoug]

Mia gets 12 points!

Wait, I think Gworld can spin this! Hang in there Yo-Yo! It is just a matter of time.

Well Gworld? :confused:


D

[bobertcole]

I just don't understand how damnocrats can spin everything to ignore basic truth. I don't like that war, but more americans died on 9/11 than have died in Iraq and it's better to be fighting there and having it going on here!

What else matters???

[yo-yo]

but more americans died on 9/11 than have died in Iraq

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? :rolleyes:

[Will.Spencer]

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? :rolleyes:

This has been explained over and over and over again.

Please go back and read previous posts on this topic.

[gworld]

This has been explained over and over and over again.

Please go back and read previous posts on this topic.

Was it because of WMD that both Bush and NSA now admit that never existed? :rolleyes:

[Will.Spencer]

Was it because of WMD that both Bush and NSA now admit that never existed? :rolleyes:

Bzzzztt... try again.

If you get stuck, you could always READ THE THREAD YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

[gworld]

Bzzzztt... try again.

If you get stuck, you could always READ THE THREAD YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

Is it because your wife is an Arab and she speaks Arabic and she said so and this means that it is true? :rolleyes:

I am just wondering because lately you have been asking us to believe everything you say on faith because of your wife.

[yo-yo]

This has been explained over and over and over again.

It's also been debunked over and over again. :rolleyes:

9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/)

The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States.

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html)

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.


Must I continue? :rolleyes:

[Will.Spencer]

This has all been covered before.

I will not waste my time explaining it to you again.

If you do, in fact, wish to know the truth, go back and read the thread.

[GTech]

Must I continue? :rolleyes:

I hope you wouldn't, because two "holy owned's" in 24 hours could be quite embarrassing:

http://davidm.blogspot.com/2004/06/administration-vindicated-press-buries.html

[gworld]

It's also been debunked over and over again. :rolleyes:

9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/)



Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html)



Must I continue? :rolleyes:

The government is stupid when they rely on 9/11 commission, NSA, CIA,....
Instead of wasting so much money on all these agencies and commissions they should ask little willy and his wife (she speaks Arabic ;) ) and they would have told them all the facts. :rolleyes:

[Will.Spencer]

yo-yo:

I really shouldn't do this. Reading the entire thread would be so much more educational for you.

But, because I'm an incredibly nice guy, I'll give you a pointer to post 3546 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=509553&postcount=3546).

[Will.Spencer]

Instead of wasting so much money on all these agencies and commissions they should ask little willy and his wife (she speaks Arabic ;) ) and they would have told them all the facts. :rolleyes:

gworld would never listen to a woman or a brown person.

gworld only listens to the voices in his head.

[yo-yo]

I hope you wouldn't, because two "holy owned's" in 24 hours could be quite embarrassing:

http://davidm.blogspot.com/2004/06/administration-vindicated-press-buries.html

Good thing you didn't disprove anything with that sorry link (real good source a blogger :rolleyes:)

FROM YOUR LINK:
Bin Ladin "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan" (1991-1996). The Sudanese "arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons." (See page 5, paragraph 4.) Apparently, Saddam did not provide the camps and weapons.

SHIT... I THINK YOUR OWNED!!! ;)

[gworld]

gworld would never listen to a woman or a brown person.

gworld only listens to the voices in his head.


I listen to many different women with different opinions, sometimes I agree with them and some times I disagree but I never assume a woman is always right because she speaks Arabic and she is my girlfriend or wife. :rolleyes:

[GTech]

Good thing you didn't disprove anything with that sorry link (real good source a blogger :rolleyes:)


Yea, it didn't have "prison" or "infowars" in the url, so I wasn't sure how you would handle it. But you must admit, it's a far cry from the rediculous links you've been posting lately. :D


SHIT... I THINK YOUR OWNED!!! ;)

Apparently you didn't read it. The media mis-reported your assertion in their fest to get a story out. The 9/11 commission does mention ties between saddam and al qaida and other news organizations have covered those long before 9/11.

[bobertcole]

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? :rolleyes:

EVERYTHING! The war is on terror. Sadamn Insane did everything in his power to convince us he was in league with the terrorists. If the evidence is not available in hard copy to prove it, why didn't he make it more obvious before we invaded. He tried to make it look like he was helping them.

The Iraqi people are better off now, polls show they think so too. If terrorists would leave us alone we would get out.

How dumb does someone have to be to figure that out?

[Mia]

It's also been debunked over and over again. :rolleyes:

9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/)



? Between Iraq and 9/11 perhaps, but not Aqukadia (bigoted spelling) and terrorism. Specifically " “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States."

But there is no doubt there were links between Saddam, al-Qaida, and Osma the bama (insert more bigoted spelling).

Either way, WHO CARES???





Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html)



Must I continue? :rolleyes:

No, I would suggest you do not. You are making an ass of yourself by repeating the same stupid crap over and over. This is almost as dimwitted and over done as the "read my lips" crap. WHO CARES???

No one disagrees that going into Iraq was the right thing to do (prior to the rewriting of history), so why beat this to death? Hind sight my friend, hind sight. Bush is not the one who is responsible for the intelligence pre-9/11, nor is he responsible alone for the war in Iraq. A bipartisan senate and house approved that measure.

Man this is getting old. New topic?

[yo-yo]

But there is no doubt there were links between Saddam, al-Qaida, and Osma the bama (insert more bigoted spelling).

Oh really... no doubt in whos mind? Kind of like the no doubt that saddam had drone planes with WMD's ready to fly to the U.S. :rolleyes:

Nor, one imagines, is Bin Laden surprised that some Americans have sought to implicate Iraq in the massacre of Sept. 11. Indeed, he may welcome American action against Saddam Hussein. Despite signs that Bin Laden's dislike for Iraq's secular dictator has waned recently (and it has never matched his hatred of the United States), it should be remembered that Bin Laden was eager to take up arms against Saddam in 1990. This was soon after the Saudis rejected Bin Laden’s offer to send 30,000 mujahideen to help defeat the Iraqi Republican Guard against 500,000 allied troops, and the incident seems to have sealed the al-Qaida leader’s view about his own country, Saudi Arabia.

http://www.slate.com/id/2057868/


Yeh, there's clearly links that Saddam and Bin Laden were good pals :rolleyes:

Stop dumbing yourself down to pretend like George Bush was right and just admit the sad sorry truth.

[Mia]

Oh really... no doubt in whos mind? Kind of like the no doubt that saddam had drone planes with WMD's ready to fly to the U.S. :rolleyes:



Read the actual commissions report, not the liberal medias ah, interpretation of it.



Yeh, there's clearly links that Saddam and Bin Laden were good pals :rolleyes:

Stop dumbing yourself down to pretend like George Bush was right and just admit the sad sorry truth.

What truth is that? I live in the here and now, not some alternate universe.

[gworld]

U.S. says bomb hit wrong house in Iraq

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A bomb that killed six civilians Monday near Baiji, Iraq, missed its target by 65 feet (20 meters) and hit the wrong home, military officials said.

..........................

The strike flattened a family's home, killing six of the family members and wounding three others, said a spokesman for the Salaheddin provincial governor's office. A father and daughter survived with only minor injuries, he said.

U.S. says bomb hit wrong house in Iraq (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/05/iraq.target/index.html)

I already know mia's answer: WHO CARES? :rolleyes:

I think mia has special Bible that says it is OK to kill innocent people. :rolleyes:

[yo-yo]

U.S. says bomb hit wrong house in Iraq

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A bomb that killed six civilians Monday near Baiji, Iraq, missed its target by 65 feet (20 meters) and hit the wrong home, military officials said.

That is absolutely horrible and the EXACT reason why we should have never invaded Iraq.

What are they doing bombing NEAR HOMES in the first place.. for christs sake we have over 100,000 troops there.. drive one of your tanks over to the house and get the guy...

Our Army is so careless it disgusts me! :mad:

[Mia]

No, Mia remembers that it is a war. Terrible things happen in a war. Hopefully in the end freedom will prevail, and there will be no need for war anymore. That is afterall the objective.

I guess I am about the only person that realizes there is a war going on. You seem to have forgotten that little fact.

[Mia]

That is absolutely horrible and the EXACT reason why we should have never invaded Iraq.



Really? That's a real good reason. I guess we should just be complacent and sit back while Germany invades Poland. Hell most of Europe was content with that. Good idea. You my friend are a friggin military genius!!!



What are they doing bombing NEAR HOMES in the first place.. for christs sake we have over 100,000 troops there.. drive one of your tanks over to the house and get the guy...



Did you know there is a war going on? The war does not take place in an isolated "war only" zone. The enemy does not respect the cold winters and take breaks mid-day to peacefully pick up their dead and mix and mingle in the midst of the battle field on those "days off". (see also, US Civil War).


Our Army is so careless it disgusts me! :mad:

I was just about to say, you "yo yo" when I realized ....

[gworld]

No, Mia remembers that it is a war. Terrible things happen in a war. Hopefully in the end freedom will prevail, and there will be no need for war anymore. That is afterall the objective.

I guess I am about the only person that realizes there is a war going on. You seem to have forgotten that little fact.

Is this another way of saying who cares? If this happened to your family will you be so understanding?

By the way, if this is a war, doesn't this make the people who get arrested a prisoners of war or do you mean that some times it is a war and some times it is not? :rolleyes:

[Will.Spencer]

Our Army is so careless it disgusts me! :mad:

Hey, you don't like it, join up and show them how its done.

Since you're such an expert on strategy and tactics, they should be happy to have you!

You might make General in a year. :rolleyes:

[GTech]

That's hard to imagine, yo-yo serving something higher than himself.

[yo-yo]

No, Mia remembers that it is a war. Terrible things happen in a war.

You really are a moron. There was no need to go dropping bombs on houses. There is ZERO EXCUSES to be made. Until you can tell me why 100,000 troops with machine guns and tanks couldn't drive over there and take out 1 guy diggin a hole and bomb planes were the last resort - this is nothing more than the MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE by a careless military that probably doesn't even care.

[Will.Spencer]

Think it through. Airplanes are used because they have several advantages over land vehicles.

1. The arrive more quickly. Calling in air support gets a quicker response than attempting to mobilize a tank. Tanks are very slow.

2. The arrive more safely. You may not be seeing all of the videos of IED's blowing up tanks and other military vehicles, but it's the #1 cause of our casualties in Iraq. Driving around ain't so safe.

3. Arriving in tanks in response to a threat motivates the enemy to make more threats -- just so they can use an IED against the tank that will inevitably arrive. If the enemy knows exactly what to do to get a tank to visit, the enemy will plant IED's and then do that thing. Effectively, you are giving the enemy the ability to call in targets at will.

Now, as the the safety of airpower.

Our troops are very comfortable with airpower. The will now call down an airstrike just a few feet from their own positions. The flyboys have become just that good.

However, in any system, things will go wrong. In martial systems, people will get hurt and people will get killed. Investigations will be launched, careers will be ruined, apologies will be made, reparations will be paid, and the leftist news media will scream and cry as if they could do a better job than the professionals on the scene.

As for the military caring, I will share with you a post made today on another forum:

I did my time in Iraq, and yes, in the year I spent there we did have one civilian killed by us... but it wasn't intentional, we had no order to kill the person. She was in the wrong place, at the wrong time... it happens, it sucks, but it couldn't be avoided.

I'm sorry it happened, but we didn't know she was hiding out in a room next to room filled with insurgents... we did our job, and an innocent got killed... but by taking the bastards out in the other room just think of how many Iraqis and American Soldiers we saved.

I don't know where you get the crazy idea that you know more about how to run a war than the United States Army. If fact, I belive that you are displaying a pathetic mixture of ignorance and arrogance. You don't know and you don't know that you don't know.

So please, get off your phony high-horse and join the rest of us in the world where we do as well as we can and sometimes we make mistakes.

Although we grieve for the 6 innocents who were killed in this accident, we also grieve for the 134 innocents who we failed to protect from terrorist attacks today. The six people died in the effort to protect more like those 134 who were purposefully murdered by Islamist terrorists.

[GTech]

I wonder how long it will take gworld to post his usual response about not serving, playstation war games, little willy, etc? 5-4-3-2-1...

Please tell "Veteran" thanks for serving, that there are many who appreciate the job they do. Another good post Will!

[yo-yo]

The six people died in the effort to protect more like those 134 who were purposefully murdered by Islamist terrorists.

So 6 innocent people died to protect 134 innocent people that died. Makes a lot of sense :cool:

[GTech]

Poor islamists, they never get any credit :rolleyes:

[yo-yo]

Poor islamists, they never get any credit :rolleyes:

What? you want to give the blame of an american plane purposely dropping a bomb that hits the wrong house on muslims? :confused: :rolleyes:

You really are cooky aren't you.

[gworld]

I wonder how long it will take gworld to post his usual response about not serving, playstation war games, little willy, etc? 5-4-3-2-1...

Please tell "Veteran" thanks for serving, that there are many who appreciate the job they do. Another good post Will!

It is funny to see that corporal Gtech supports the xbox general, little willy.

There is only one thing wrong with little willy post, it is against Geneva convention and Hague convention regarding the aerial bombardment of civilian population that USA has signed.

The whole strategy of using air power in the last few months has been adapted to save Bush administration from the embarrassment of more body bags but anyone knows that a war can not be won only from the air. This is the same type of tactics that was adapted by USA in the last years of Vietnam in order to avoid more casualty.

In view of the change of tactic and Bush speeches about bringing troops home, it seems clear that government has already preparing itself for defeat and it is pursuing a strategy which causes the least amount of embarrassment during the retreat.

Now if Little willy could manage to take out couple of his special forces out of his xbox and send them to Iraq, I am sure they could kick some serious ass and win the war. :rolleyes:

[GTech]

What? you want to give the blame of an american plane purposely dropping a bomb that hits the wrong house on muslims?

Nah, that was an accident. I was referring to the 134 you chose to ignore, as usual. What's a terrorist brutha gotta do to get some credit these days?

[GTech]

It is funny to see that corporal Gtech supports the xbox general, little willy.


Incorrect, as usual. It was Sergeant GTech ;)
Do you have nothing to but provide some these all kinds personal insult one liners when no comment on subject? (sorry, testing my gputz bot!)


There is only one thing wrong with little willy post, it is against Geneva convention and Hague convention regarding the aerial bombardment of civilian population that USA has signed.


Really? Let me guess, you know because your wife worked for the UN and speaks a foriegn language in which only it can be completely understood?


The whole strategy of using air power in the last few months has been adapted to save Bush administration from the embarrassment of more body bags but anyone knows that a war can not be won only from the air. This is the same type of tactics that was adapted by USA in the last years of Vietnam in order to avoid more casualty.


It's true! Bush heard about the famous gworld and started shivering in his cowboy boots. He quickly adapted a secret strategy change one night while having a brown bag special with Rummi at the local Sonic!


In view of the change of tactic and Bush speeches about bringing troops home, it seems clear that government has already preparing itself for defeat and it is pursuing a strategy which causes the least amount of embarrassment during the retreat.


This is true. We always prepare for defeat. Why just yesterday, I was speaking with Karl Rove at the Red Lobster and he was telling me how we were preparing for more defeats. There's a secret army of aliens that will attack the island of Tuvalu and take over it's vast vegetation resources so we can make skim milk cheaper.


Now if Little willy could manage to take out couple of his special forces out of his xbox and send them to Iraq, I am sure they could kick some serious ass and win the war. :rolleyes:

But wouldn't that take all the fun out of it for you? And what about your friends there? No one loves defeat more than you? Well, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Durbin...

[yo-yo]

Nah, that was an accident. I was referring to the 134 you chose to ignore, as usual. What's a terrorist brutha gotta do to get some credit these days?

So your logical reasoning is that it's ok the 6 innocent people were murdered by U.S. troops because 134 innocent people were murdered by crazy people? :confused:

[debunked]

So your logical reasoning is that it's ok the 6 innocent people were murdered by U.S. troops because 134 innocent people were murdered by crazy people? :confused:

Read what he wrote, it isn't hard to understand what he said, really, just try and read it.... go ahead, you can do it .....'

(If you need a little clue, he mentioned the other 134 lives that were lost today, he recognized the loss of lives, does it not bother you?? or is it OK, since they were just killed by some poor terrorist who had nothing better to do?)

[yo-yo]

(If you need a little clue, he mentioned the other 134 lives that were lost today, he recognized the loss of lives,

Chiming in again with nothing useful as usual :rolleyes:

We were talking about the murdered people by the U.S. , and as usual he tried to DIVERT blame and attention away from it by mentioning the people who were killed by "terrorists".

[bigdoug]

Chiming in again with nothing useful as usual :rolleyes:

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No, thats my job...

Will has spanked you guy's so bad today, even Canada can feel it.
I have enjoyed the last 40 posts the most.

For review purposes:

Will = Spank Gworld :D
Mia = Spank Yo Yo :D

Now that is worth coming to DP alone! ;)

D

[GTech]

Hey gworld, can give a preview of how you will be bashing America, the Military, Christians and Jews today? I'd like to get a head start because I have a lot going on :D

Debunked, thanks for explaining it to yo-yo. No doubt he knew, but it wouldn't be like him to criticize terrorists. They are victims, freedom fighters!

Doug, nice summary. Will and Mia are on a roll! Will whipped ol' gputz like a rented mule, today!

[gworld]

Incorrect, as usual. It was Sergeant GTech ;)
Do you have nothing to but provide some these all kinds personal insult one liners when no comment on subject? (sorry, testing my gputz bot!)


Really? A Sergeant? Army must have seriously lowered it's standard to make you a Sergeant, I thought even a Corporal was too much. ;)



Really? Let me guess, you know because your wife worked for the UN and speaks a foriegn language in which only it can be completely understood?


No, that's little willy who asks people to believe him because his wife said so. The text for both Geneva convention and Hague are available online and in English, I think you can find a copy of it on the Air force web site too. Just do a search.


It's true! Bush heard about the famous gworld and started shivering in his cowboy boots. He quickly adapted a secret strategy change one night while having a brown bag special with Rummi at the local Sonic!


You don't need to listen to I or Bush. Actions speak louder than words. It must be obvious even to a dummy like you that you can not win this war without winning the support of people (even The government admits that) and look what are they doing:

"The U.S. has steadily intensified its use of air strikes against insurgents in Iraq in the past year, increasing the number of attacks from 25 in January 2005 to 120 in November."

and this is the result:

U.S. pilots targeting a house where they believed insurgents had taken shelter killed a family of 12 late Monday, Iraqi officials said Tuesday. The dead included children whose bodies were recovered in the nightclothes and blankets in which they had apparently been sleeping.

A Washington Post special correspondent watched as the corpses of three boys who appeared to be younger than 10 and three women were removed Tuesday from the house outside Beiji, north of Baghdad.

Family of 12 killed in U.S. strike on house (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0601040260jan04,1,6316683.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed)

Do you think with such actions, they will have a chance in hell to win the mind and heart of people? :rolleyes:

No, but they don't care anymore since it is decided that this battle is lost.



This is true. We always prepare for defeat. Why just yesterday, I was speaking with Karl Rove at the Red Lobster and he was telling me how we were preparing for more defeats. There's a secret army of aliens that will attack the island of Tuvalu and take over it's vast vegetation resources so we can make skim milk cheaper.


It seems there is no need for secret aliens army, Bush administration is doing a very good job of losing the war all by itself. At present time, it looks like the winners in long run and the one who will gain the most from Iraq war will be the Iranians. Wouldn't be funny that in the end, if it comes out that Bush served their agenda by starting the Iraq war? ;)


But wouldn't that take all the fun out of it for you? And what about your friends there? No one loves defeat more than you? Well, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Durbin...

You can call me and others what ever you like but you can not change the fact that Bush and his administration were in charge and in the final analyzes they will be the one who will be responsible for the defeat.

[Mia]

So 6 innocent people died to protect 134 innocent people that died. Makes a lot of sense :cool:

What is it they say? Ignorance is bliss? Yes, it certainly is...

BTW, I like the Urban Dictionary definition for "yo yo"

3. Yo Yo
A Yo Yo is a bitch. Plain and simple.

[Mia]

Chiming in again with nothing useful as usual :rolleyes:

We were talking about the murdered people by the U.S. , and as usual he tried to DIVERT blame and attention away from it by mentioning the people who were killed by "terrorists".

Right there, "murdered", that is the difference. 134 people were MURDERED, by terrorists. 6 people were accidentally killed in a war.

Are you sure you are not one of them?

[yo-yo]

Right there, "murdered", that is the difference. 134 people were MURDERED, by terrorists. 6 people were accidentally killed in a war.


Oh, I see. It's another one of those DOUBLE STANDARDS you Bush lovers have. When a muslim kills someone they're a "terrorist" and a murderer. When an American kills a muslim he's a war hero, and just made a mistake!

I bet if you ask the remaining family members of those 6 dead people if they were MURDERED they would agree with me. I bet if you ask an Iraqi if bombs falling on innocent people's homes is TERRORISM they would agree with me that it is.

You're just so full of shit and defensive over our great country that you can't see (or turn a blind eye to) how fucked up a job is getting done of there. :rolleyes:

[debunked]

Oh, I see. It's another one of those DOUBLE STANDARDS you Bush lovers have. When a muslim kills someone they're a "terrorist" and a murderer. When an American kills a muslim he's a war hero, and just made a mistake!

I bet if you ask the remaining family members of those 6 dead people if they were MURDERED they would agree with me. I bet if you ask an Iraqi if bombs falling on innocent people's homes is TERRORISM they would agree with me that it is.

You're just so full of shit and defensive over our great country that you can't see (or turn a blind eye to) how fucked up a job is getting done of there. :rolleyes:

Isn't school back in session?

More learning is needed I see.

Nobody is saying that it isn't sad that innocent people died (6), but that it was a mistake that hopefully isn't repeated. But the others were murdered by a terrorist - plain and simple the guy purposed to kill as many people as possible, whether they are civilian, Iraqi, American soldiers, it doesn't matter! That murderer wanted to kill anyone and everyone to set terror in the hearts of others so they say - boo hoo we are loosing sent the troops home.

[Mia]

Oh, I see. It's another one of those DOUBLE STANDARDS you Bush lovers have. When a muslim kills someone they're a "terrorist" and a murderer. When an American kills a muslim he's a war hero, and just made a mistake!



Double standard? Are you really half baked on crack 24/7? Do you remember that there is a war going on? Come off the high horse and down from your high for a while and join the rest of us in the here and now.

No, it is not "when a muslim kills someone" , it's when a terrorist kills someone. Isn't there a difference? Are you now saying that all Muslims are terrorists? I cannot understand where you are going with this. Not all Muslims run around and kill people just for the hell of it. Did you forget that these "terrorists" are killing more Muslims than Americans?

It takes quite bit more than a Band-Aid on your finger (see also Wanna be pres - Jonny Kerry) to be a war hero, and killing people just for the hell of it is not one of those reasons.

Who's been made out as a hero for this tragedy we are talking about? Seriously, back off the crack man. It's messing with your mind.




I bet if you ask the remaining family members of those 6 dead people if they were MURDERED they would agree with me. I bet if you ask an Iraqi if bombs falling on innocent people's homes is TERRORISM they would agree with me that it is.



I'd be willing to bet they would be more inclined to carry on with their lives than spend time agreeing with a complacent, guilt bearing, crack addicted nar do well like you. They are casualties of war, pure and simple. And this is a horrible tragedy that no one is making light of. Had they been directly targeted by US forces as the enemy, and intentionally killed just for the hell of it, or "because they are Muslims", then you might have a case.

No, no one in their right mind (unless high on crack like yourself) could possibly come to the conclusion that this was an act of terrorism.

For one, the US is not just killing Muslims at random because they are Muslims. Terrorists are killing Christians, because they are Christian. Terrorists are killing Jews because they are Jews. Terrorists are killing Muslims because they seek freedom and peace.

If you cannot see a difference here, you should seriously consider remaining stoned for all eternity.

The US is dropping bombs in order to weed out shit bags and the scum of the world in order to restore peace to a part of the world that has been an absolute Cluster Phuck crap hole for years. The US is dropping bombs to rid the world of terrorists. The US is dropping bombs to save lives. The US is dropping bombs because we are in a WAR.

Get a clue. There is a "**** W A R ****" going on. Remember? Do you grasp the concept?


You're just so full of shit and defensive over our great country that you can't see (or turn a blind eye to) how fucked up a job is getting done of there.

And you are a mad little child with no sense of reason. I can see I have hit a nerve here. Boy, you are really upset. You lost, Bush is president, get over it. Now move on. When backed into a corner, liberals resort to name calling and whinning... Boo hoo... You're wrong, I'm right. How bout' them apples?

[GTech]

I wonder what medical condition fosters such self-loathing and defeatism?

Mia, excellent comments from you and debunked. It baffles science how some can come to their conclusions. Maybe I need to start setting up more pharmacy affiliates. No doubt they can only thrive in generations to come!

[yo-yo]

Do you remember that there is a war going on?
No, but I do rembmer "Bush Declares Victory In Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2989459.stm)" :rolleyes:

No, it is not "when a muslim kills someone" , it's when a terrorist kills someone. Isn't there a difference? Are you now saying that all Muslims are terrorists?
When you label anyone who stands up and fights against American's occupying and invading their country as "terrorist", I think you don't know the difference in a "terrorist" and a Muslim.

Did you forget that these "terrorists" are killing more Muslims than Americans?
Did you forget we've killed more Irai's than the terrorists have?


They are casualties of war, pure and simple.
Actually, they're casualties of American Terrorism. :rolleyes:

[GTech]

When you label anyone who stands up and fights against American's occupying and invading their country as "terrorist", I think you don't know the difference in a "terrorist" and a Muslim.

So you know the difference?

[yo-yo]

So you know the difference?

I know there's a difference in a "terrorist" and an Iraqi who wants the occupation stopped and is willing to fight for it. :rolleyes:

[Mia]

No, but I do rembmer "Bush Declares Victory In Iraq"



War on Terror... You are completely oblivious aren't you. That's ok. Keep taking that smack.




When you label anyone who stands up and fights against American's occupying and invading their country as "terrorist", I think you don't know the difference in a "terrorist" and a Muslim.



Are you ok? Nothing you just said makes any sense. Dude, ease up on the drugs. No one is labeling anyone. Are we some how trying to establish that anyone who calls a terrorist a terrorist is now suddenly using labels?

No one is over there "standing up against America", there is nothing to stand up against. There are however terrorist/insurgents that are content upon wreaking havoc so as to create that illusion in the minds of mass media and those in a comatose stupor induced by crack (see yo yo).



Did you forget we've killed more Irai's than the terrorists have?



Really? Where on earth did you come up with that? NYT, NPR? Or some hallucination brought on by your continued use of crack while DP'ing?

I guess it stands to reason that if you include the first Gulf War, yes, American troops have likely killed quite a few Iraq's. But then again, I am not sure you can really compare that to the hundreds of thousands killed by terrorists and the terrorist dictator that once inhabited the region. Nor can you draw any parallel to either.

I understand that math is a difficult thing to comprehend for you. If you stick to simple addition/subtraction, it is pretty easy to see that you have no idea what you are talking about.



Actually, they're casualties of American Terrorism.

Well I had suspected this all along, but now I am sure. You are not an American, you do not live in this country, and you certainly are anything but sincere in anything you say. You are a troll. Your mission is clear. It is to shake up this thread in an attempt to coerce the already deranged to further spout stupidity and bunk with no regard for reason, fact or truth. Your mission is also to attempt to portray yourself as a anti-war, US is bad American, when the truth is, you are not.

What country are you really from? Who are you really? Nice try poser...

[yo-yo]

War on Terror...

Similar to the war on drugs? Costs lots of money and impossible to win ? :rolleyes:

and those in a comatose stupor induced by crack (see yo yo).

Real mature aren't we :cool:

You are not an American, you do not live in this country

What country are you really from? Who are you really? Nice try poser...

You really are a fucking moron. I live in Arizona, why don't you have Shawn check the IP you nut job. Just because I call it what it is (Americans dropping bombs on iraqi civilian IS AMERICAN TERRORISM) doesn't mean I don't live in the country, it simply means I'm taking a stand against corrupt bull shit leaders and overly-patriotic brainwashed idiots like yourself.

[Mia]

Similar to the war on drugs? Costs lots of money and impossible to win ? :rolleyes:



Has exactly what to do with this thread? Nothing....





Real mature aren't we :cool:



We? No, ME? Yes. You? NO



You really are a fucking moron. I live in Arizona, why don't you have Shawn check the IP you nut job. Just because I call it what it is (Americans dropping bombs on iraqi civilian IS AMERICAN TERRORISM) doesn't mean I don't live in the country, it simply means I'm taking a stand against corrupt bull shit leaders and overly-patriotic brainwashed idiots like yourself.

Yeah, and you drive a Ford Escort... Like I care. No, you are not "calling it what it is". You are too young to understand what is really going on. I was "fresh out of the liberal school system" once as well.... Amazing how many years it takes to undo the brainwashing and soul cleansing that takes place there. That's not a knock btw, you'll be alright, eventually.

My, my, you are getting quite violent now. Calm down man. It is just an internet forum. Nothing here that any of us says or does is gonna change the world. Relax. Its Friday. At your age I would take the rest of the day off and go hang out at the bars, or race the Escort.

If you take this too seriously at your age you are going to have a heart attack.

Peace - Have a Nice weekend!

[GTech]

It means you shouldn't live in the country. United we stand, divided we fall. It's clear you want to fall. Benedict Arnold would be proud of you! Fortunately, we'll never have to worry about scum like you serving our country, so your stand is meaningless. But then why would you serve something you have so much hatred for anyway. Dhimmitude has sunken in!

The more lunatics the dem party aligns themselves with, the easier it will be down the road!

[gworld]

I was "fresh out of the liberal school system" once as well.... Amazing how many years it takes to undo the brainwashing and soul cleansing that takes place there. That's not a knock btw, you'll be alright, eventually.



But now you have your Phd from moron school. :D

[GTech]

But now you have your Phd from moron school. :D

And you went to collage :rolleyes:

[gworld]

And you went to collage :rolleyes:

Corporal Gtech are you going to answer to my previous post in this thread and woman rights thread or are you going to use your famous RUN and HIDE strategy?

[GTech]

My apologies, I didn't realize you had left me a baited question. I may have overlooked it with all your other stupidity. It all runs together :D Would it be the same kind of run and hide you do when cornered about supporting terrorists and Iran, or is it a different kind of run and hide?

I thought you didn't like women?

Off to dinner, will check back later for the latest American, Christian, Military, Women bashing you might have to offer. umkay?

[Crazy_Zap]

Corporal Gtech are you going to answer to my previous post in this thread and woman rights thread or are you going to use your famous RUN and HIDE strategy?

He does that with you too, eh? ;)

[bobertcole]

It's too bad if some Iraqi's get killed. Lots of innocent people get killed in war. We're at war and we didn't start it. What about 3000 innocent Americans killed on 9/11?

Why doesn't the liberal media care about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed by Sadamn Insane before we went in? If 6 more is too many why don't they get on the side of RIGHT and try using their media power to convince the terrorists to quit fighting and live in peace.l

[Mia]

But now you have your Phd from moron school. :D


Man you are so kewl.. Someone green rep this guy, he is really kewl!!!

Wow, what a great come back... No one can top you.

You know what, I think I'm gonna have a Julian tonight!

see also Urban Dictionary for Julian and White Trash/Trailer Trash Canadians.

[Mia]

Why doesn't the liberal media care about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed by Sadamn Insane before we went in? If 6 more is too many why don't they get on the side of RIGHT and try using their media power to convince the terrorists to quit fighting and live in peace.l

Because they are not the ones responsible for actually doing something about it. Because you know, it just aint fair. Had GWB not stolen the election from them, twice, they would be there fixing all the worlds problems.

God forbid the American public get a taste of the lowest jobless rate in history, lowest interest rates in history, more people at work today in the US than at any other time. They're ultimately pissed that they cannot get a lousy 50% of the US public to agree with them. Not even half. Hell, liberal school systems everywhere will pass you with 50% or more. Perhaps they should lower that standard as it concerns elections. I mean if you make the majority 20%, perhaps then and only then will they have a prayer at regaining control of the house/senate/whitehouse.

Liberals are like that little fat spoiled only child that throws temper tanterums until they get their way. Only the adults on the right are not letting them have their way.

Ultimately there are litterally thousands of reasons why the mainstream press only presents their view of reality. I mean look at the race to jump the gun in the mine collapse recently. The press hears bits and peices of info, does not confirm it, just jumps the gun in reporting it and so far as is humanly possible even fabricates (by ad libbing) a story about how all survived and one was hurt.

There is only so long you can make things up before those firmly planted in reality in the "here and now" say "screw this", I'm not listening to it anymore.

To me mainstream media is entertainment. It is comical at best and about one notch BELOW, tabloid publications. At least most of what you read in a tabloid actually happened just like the tabloid said it did. The same cannot be said of the evening news.

[gworld]

My apologies, I didn't realize you had left me a baited question. I may have overlooked it with all your other stupidity. It all runs together :D Would it be the same kind of run and hide you do when cornered about supporting terrorists and Iran, or is it a different kind of run and hide?

I thought you didn't like women?

Off to dinner, will check back later for the latest American, Christian, Military, Women bashing you might have to offer. umkay?

It is simple stats and facts that are available on the Internet and supplied by military. If you don't like to discuss the facts and instead prefer to RUN and HIDE and start calling people names that is your choice.

I think this is common among Corporals, Hitler was very brave in the beginning also but in the end instead of facing the truth about his bad decisions and defeats, decided to kill people who told him the truth. ;)

[bigdoug]

Very well said! Man you guy's don't need me to spank anymore, you have things under control I see...:D

D

Because they are not the ones responsible for actually doing something about it. Because you know, it just aint fair. Had GWB not stolen the election from them, twice, they would be there fixing all the worlds problems.

God forbid the American public get a taste of the lowest jobless rate in history, lowest interest rates in history, more people at work today in the US than at any other time. They're ultimately pissed that they cannot get a lousy 50% of the US public to agree with them. Not even half. Hell, liberal school systems everywhere will pass you with 50% or more. Perhaps they should lower that standard as it concerns elections. I mean if you make the majority 20%, perhaps then and only then will they have a prayer at regaining control of the house/senate/whitehouse.

Liberals are like that little fat spoiled only child that throws temper tanterums until they get their way. Only the adults on the right are not letting them have their way.

Ultimately there are litterally thousands of reasons why the mainstream press only presents their view of reality. I mean look at the race to jump the gun in the mine collapse recently. The press hears bits and peices of info, does not confirm it, just jumps the gun in reporting it and so far as is humanly possible even fabricates (by ad libbing) a story about how all survived and one was hurt.

There is only so long you can make things up before those firmly planted in reality in the "here and now" say "screw this", I'm not listening to it anymore.

To me mainstream media is entertainment. It is comical at best and about one notch BELOW, tabloid publications. At least most of what you read in a tabloid actually happened just like the tabloid said it did. The same cannot be said of the evening news.

[yo-yo]

God forbid the American public get a taste of the lowest jobless rate in history, lowest interest rates in history, more people at work today in the US than at any other time.
Your forgot to mention the biggest national debt of all time. Owing Billions to the Koreans and the Chinese. Spending money we don't have... typical american problem :rolleyes:

I think we're also seeing the highest bankruptcy rates (minus the depression) ever. But don't worry about that.. it doesn't matter if the average american is $25,000 in debt as long as they can get a job for $6/hour.

They're ultimately pissed that they cannot get a lousy 50% of the US public to agree with them. Not even half.
I wonder what the Ave. IQ of half the public actually is ;)

Liberals are like that little fat spoiled only child that throws temper tanterums until they get their way. Only the adults on the right are not letting them have their way.

Really.. because I swear I've seen Bush doing that his entire presidency. You know.. whining about education when he can't talk straight himself. Whining about terror when he leaves our borders wide open. Whining about everything until he gets more power and takes more freedoms.

To me mainstream media is entertainment. It is comical at best The same could be said about the 9/11 commission report and our "intelligence" on Iraq :D

I suppose if you want to spend the rest of your lifetimes fighting more unwinnable wars (drugs, terror), bankrupting our country, and loosing every scrap of individual freedom and privacy we have left (not a lot) keep voting for people like George Bush. ;)

Who knows.. maybe by the end of 2006 good ol' Bush will have us occupying Iran and Syria and have the CIA selling nuke plans to 4 more rogue states why he has every citizen's phone call recorded.

[Mia]

Your forgot to mention the biggest national debt of all time. Owing Billions to the Koreans and the Chinese. Spending money we don't have... typical american problem



You want some respect? Instead of listening to what the left tells you, or what you watch on CNN or read in the NYT, why not actually look up this data? It is freely available. That's a typical American problem though, many Americans let others think for them, rather than thinking for themselves.

In actuality the national debt has historically risen year after year, administration after administration. With the exceptions of perhaps (most significant exception anyway) 1835 when the debt was reduced from some 93 million dollars in 1822 to around $33,000.

Other than that, it has always risen. In fact, it rose more under Clinton than it did under Bush, and Clinton had the benefit of the Reagan/Bush years and a booming economy. Go figure.

Clinton took the national debt from some 3.6 trillion dollars to nearly 6 trillion dollars. Almost DOUBLED IT!!! Holy meatballs Batman!

Bush has about 2 trillion and some change yet to DOUBLE it. And let us not forget that Bush had a major attack on the US that cost the US, not just NYC, billions. How many major natural disasters too? 4 back to back hurricanes in Florida, let's not forget about Katrina. Let us not also forget the near defunct economy Clinton left us.

BTW, this data is again, FREELY available. You can get it directly from the US Treasury online. It's a .gov site btw, not a .nyt site.

As to debt owed. Again, something that has always gone on throughout human history. Japan is by far the largest lender of American debt. Just think if the US were not around; the absolute squaller communist countries would live in today, eg., Korea and China. What is the point you are trying to make btw??? The US borrows money, yes... So to do other countries from the US.

Try to picture the US as a person, and other countries as other people, or as banks, or visa versa. I remember borrowing money to buy my house. I remember borrowing money to buy an investment property. I have some debt. Does that mean now that Chase and M&I now own me? Take an economics class at the local community college (collage for those of your north of the US border).



I think we're also seeing the highest bankruptcy rates (minus the depression) ever. But don't worry about that.. it doesn't matter if the average american is $25,000 in debt as long as they can get a job for $6/hour.



You think? Or you know? Personal bankruptcy or Corporate? Can you be a bit more specific? The truth is there are no more bankruptcies than usual according to the US figures on Bankruptcy Data. What is up, are "personal bankruptcies", but this varies by state. Some are up, some are down. Most of these bankruptcies were brought on by consumer over borrowing or over spending, ie., their own irresponsibility. What is up is the "size" of corporate bankruptcy. Not the number/frequency of them. In fact in 2002, (again according to the US figures on Bankruptcy and ABI - American Bankruptcy Institute) bankruptcies are up 5.7 percent over 2001... Hmm, let's look at what happened in 2001. Anyone? Ah, anyone? I see some hands in the back. You seem to have forgotten..... On the bankruptcy leader board it would appear that personal bankruptcy accounted for most of the 5.7 percent increase. Corporate bankruptcy was and is actually down.

In fact!!! 97.6 percent of the total 1.5 million plus cases of bankruptcy were personal! So while there was a 5.7 percent increase in bankruptcies over that period, business/corporate bankruptcies actually declined by 5.1 percent over the previous year, and continues to do so.

Please don't go screaming Enron, or Tyco, etc... These are things that occurred as the result of someone else's goof, not the current administration. The current admin is actually putting these people in jail, and has instituted new bankruptcy laws to keep others from doing the same in the future.

Now, if the "Average American" is in debt $25,000 and only makes 6 bucks an hour, I would say the average American is spending too much. Wouldn't you agree? You're so worried about the US government spending more than it takes in, while you find it perfectly fine for the "Average American" to do so? Talk about irresponsible. The truth is the "Average American" can get a job for any amount they desire. Not just 6 bucks an hour.

Anyway, I am not going to spout "Average American" DTI's. You can go look it up.




I wonder what the Ave. IQ of half the public actually is


Nationally, around 100.





Really.. because I swear I've seen Bush doing that his entire presidency. You know.. whining about education when he can't talk straight himself.



You really are ignorant aren't you? Truman was a plain speaker too. That's what kept him in the White House. What is talking "straight" anyway? Oh, because a few morons on the left decided to label the president as dumb because he does not talk with the Silver Spoon, wanna be, elite Kerry tongue?

These are real convincing points btw. Way to go. You're on your way man!!!

btw, I like your "straight talk" use of the word "unwinnable" below...


Whining about terror when he leaves our borders wide open. Whining about everything until he gets more power and takes more freedoms.


Whining? No. Doing something about it? Yes. I think you are confused. Our borders are "wide open" where? What do you suggest we do? Put up a wall between Canada and Mexico? Last I recall both countries were friends. I've yet to see Canadians invading the US, outside of bad signers and bad boobs. I have seen Mexicans "invading", but not to kill us. They come here seeking a better life, and are a bit more productive and appreciative of that "Average American" lifestyle.

Takes away what freedoms? Man, you have done nothing but listen to leftist propaganda and mainstream media fluff. I swear I am reading an Al Fraken comedy sketch here, or Michael Moore script. Ok, so Bush is taking Freedoms away, but still allowing us all to cross borders. That makes sense.

No offense man, but this will likely be the last time I debate you. There's nothing here. It is not even remotely engaging. At least with Gworld it is a bit entertaining.




The same could be said about the 9/11 commission report and our "intelligence" on Iraq



What? That the intelligence was comical? Are you ok? It was anything but comical. The bungled Clinton era intelligence (or lack there of, he and his wife still prove that to this day) was anything but comical. It cost thousands of lives. It was deplorable.



I suppose if you want to spend the rest of your lifetimes fighting more unwinnable wars (drugs, terror), bankrupting our country, and loosing every scrap of individual freedom and privacy we have left (not a lot) keep voting for people like George Bush.



Back to the war on drugs again eh. Looks like drugs is winning that war for you buddy. Bankrupting the country? Do tell.... Please, where? Loosing every scrap of freedom? What freedoms have you lost?

Let me say that again so you can see that I would really like to know.

WHAT FREEDOMS HAVE YOU LOST??? Once and for all, can one of you lunatics on the left actually display for me and individual freedom you have actually lost, and once you show me, please tell me how it has affected you adversely.

You said "(not a lot)" as in, we do not have a lot of freedoms left. Like? WHAT FREEDOMS HAVE YOU LOST??? Seriously?



Who knows.. maybe by the end of 2006 good ol' Bush will have us occupying Iran and Syria and have the CIA selling nuke plans to 4 more rogue states why he has every citizen's phone call recorded.

See its ignoramus things like this that help explain more and more what your mental state is right now. Stick with it, hang in there, there is help.

"CIA selling nuke plans to 4 more rogue"

You do realize that the nuke plans that you are referring to were given to Iran by RUSSIA, not sold by the CIA? Clinton and the CIA during the CLINTON admin, knew Iran was working on a Nuclear bomb. Why is this a Bush issue? Because Risen's bunk book told you so.

Or perhaps because you read in a internet forum (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=49068) that posted a link to a site called "prisonplanet", which as we all know, is a reliable and trusted, 100% fair and balanced news source. Come on, give me a break!

Come on man, can you actually talk about something factual? Why not pose a question like, why didn't Clinton do anything about Iran and their nuclear program? Because, he did not do anything that would affect his approval numbers during his presidency, aside from shag some child in the oral office.

Have a nice weekend!

[GTech]

I'm in awe! Mia, that was truly poetry in motion!

I'm 40 years old, almost 41. I was serving my country when yo-yo was in diapers. I have hair on my ass that's older than he is. In all my years, I've never lost a freedom that I was aware of. No men in black suits parked in a lincoln continental parked outside my home. Never been arrested. No aliens have come to visit me.

I've served my country, worked for my country, worked for the man, worked for myself. I've been so poor (in between jobs where a startup failed) that I had to go to a local community shelter to get food for my family, been comfortable, been rich, been poor, lost it all, recovered.

The real joke is on yo-yo and his type. At 21, if he continues to put his faith of reality in the likes of Alex Jones and websites that have "prison" in the url, his life will be absolutely miserable. So locked up in the pimping of fear to young angry white males with low IQs, he'll miss what life is really about, always worrying about some pimped out fear that doesn't exist. Anyone that would buy into that garbage deserves to live a life of misery and always looking over their shoulder for some perceived threat.


No offense man, but this will likely be the last time I debate you. There's nothing here. It is not even remotely engaging. At least with Gworld it is a bit entertaining.


Agree 100%! If it were not for gworld, probably wouldn't post much here at all. Gworld is entertaining! When I argue with gworld, I have a sudden desire to shout out "Hey Moe! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!" It's funny, and I laugh a lot :D

Yo yo, man, I feel for you! Young, hormones raging, bound and determined that you will make your mark on the world and that you truly have something enlightening to offer the world. I've been there. I've been through it all. I've been through the adults that tried to tell me I didn't know a thing, that I didn't have life experiences, yada yada ya. It's nothing unique. I hope some day you can break out of that shell. That some day, you'll say "hey, what ever happened to that fear Jones pimped out about xyz back in 2003 and why did nothing every come of it? And what about the other xyz fear he pimped out, what about that?" For until you do, the daily fear pimping he puts out will just run from day to day to day to day, always putting a seed in the mind, and always moving on to something new, because the previous never had any merit to begin with.

What a way to live life :rolleyes:

[goalkick]

I have respect for any soldier around the world who joined the military to "protect their country", But i hate these faggets who joined for $$$ and now they claim to be the shit "we are protecting you" etc... thats BS.

[ferret77]

Here you go, discuss

http://workingforchange.speedera.net/www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW12-28-05.jpg

[GTech]

Maybe a section for the 12 and under that get their news from cartoons?

[ferret77]

The medium of the satire is not important cartoons have been major forces in public opinion for hundreds of years, it the content that matters

You guys are making appeals to authority, I am old, I have wife who kicked out a few kids, therefore I am more correct, its very weak form of argument you can read more about it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

There are all kinds of dumbass old people in the world, and there are all types of idiots who have kids. Neither is a criteria that adds any credibilty to your arguments.

[yo-yo]

In fact, it rose more under Clinton than it did under Bush, and Clinton had the benefit of the Reagan/Bush years and a booming economy. Go figure.
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 07 Jan 2006 at 08:13:21 PM GMT is:
$8,213,280,732,038.01

The estimated population of the United States is 298,187,453
so each citizen's share of this debt is $27,543.97.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.83 billion per day since September 30, 2005!

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

Hey I see both the Bush's in the red above, and clinton in the blue... it must be liberal propaganda! :

This is coming from wiki - so god knows it's deffinently liberal propaganda to!

President | Increase In Debt | Annual Increase | Debt % of GDP
George H. W. Bush | 46.2% | 9.9% | 65.9%
Bill Clinton | 13.7% | 1.6% | 57.7%
George W. Bush to 2004 | 26.0% | 5.9% | 64.8%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt

So if you look right at the %'s in increased debt, bush 1 is 46% , Clinton is only 14% and Bush 2 is 26% .... somehow these numbers don't agree with you MIA. In fact - the Bush numbers are HIGHER IN EVERY CATEGORY!

As to debt owed. ... What is the point you are trying to make btw??? The US borrows money, yes... So to do other countries from the US.
No points to be made here...

U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2004, foreigners held 44 percent of federal debt held by the public. [1] About 64% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries. A large portion was held by the central banks of Japan and China. This exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either bank will stop buying Treasury securities—or start selling them heavily.

You think? Or you know? Personal bankruptcy or Corporate? Can you be a bit more specific? The truth is there are no more bankruptcies than usual according to the US figures on Bankruptcy Data. ....Now, if the "Average American" is in debt $25,000 and only makes 6 bucks an hour, I would say the average American is spending too much. Wouldn't you agree?
I was talking about personal debt -I think this explains it well (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/216047_bankruptcy15.html).

Oh, because a few morons on the left decided to label the president as dumb because he does not talk with the Silver Spoon, wanna be, elite Kerry tongue?

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." —LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." —Greater Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000

"I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska,

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

Our borders are "wide open" where? What do you suggest we do? Put up a wall between Canada and Mexico? Last I recall both countries were friends.
If terrorists are as bad as George Bush would have us all believe, we damn well better be closing our borders. You think blowing shit up in Iraq is going to stop terrorsts from walking across the mexican border? :rolleyes:

BTW: letting illegal mexicans come here and work for $3/hour isn't helping the middle class either :cool:

Back to the war on drugs again eh. Looks like drugs is winning that war for you buddy.

Yeh, back on it. How do you justify it? I know the war on drugs was lost from the start. In fact, right now drugs are just as (if not more) easily available to anyone who wants them than ever. I just came out of HS 4 years ago and I can tell you drugs are all over teens like old guys on porn.

What does it cost to put a single drug dealer in jail?
The cost to put a single drug dealer in jail is about $450,000, composed of the following:

The cost for arrest and conviction is about $150,000.

The cost for an additional prison bed is about $50,000 to $150,000, depending upon the jurisdiction.

It costs about $30,000 per year to house a prisoner. With an average sentence of 5 years, that adds up to another $150,000.

The same $450,000 can provide treatment or education for about 200 people. In addition, putting a person in prison produces about fifteen dollars in related welfare costs, for every dollar spent on incarceration. Every dollar spent on treatment and education saves about five dollars in related welfare costs.

WHAT FREEDOMS HAVE YOU LOST???

Freedom of expression and protesting. People who protested PEACEFULLY in NY were sent to a concentration camp filled with asbestos and oil.

A prominent civil liberties lawyer and a Transportation Workers Union raised questions yesterday about asbestos and diesel oil contamination at Pier 57, the former bus depot at 17th St. serving since last week as the N.Y.P.D.’s holding pens for people arrested in Republican National Convention protests.

More than 1,700 people arrested this week at demonstrations aimed at the Republican National Convention, Licht gained his freedom on Thursday morning. A judge, frustrated at the city's pace in moving protesters through the criminal justice system, ordered the immediate release of nearly 500 of them.

I'm also seeing photo-radar cameras going up on every street corner and the highways - leaving with me no privacy from big brother any time i travel.

Cell phones have satellite tracking in them MANDATORY from the government.. I wonder why?

The list of freedoms being supressed day in and day out gos on and on.

You do realize that the nuke plans that you are referring to were given to Iran by RUSSIA, not sold by the CIA?
Actually it was a CIA spy that defected from Russia. The CIA gave the Russian the nuke plans and told him to go deliver them to Iran officials. :rolleyes:

[Crazy_Zap]

There are all kinds of dumbass old people in the world, and there are all types of idiots who have kids. Neither is a criteria that adds any credibilty to your arguments.

But that's not going to stop him from trying. Maybe if he repeats it often enough... :rolleyes:

[GTech]

There are all kinds of dumbass old people in the world, and there are all types of idiots who have kids. Neither is a criteria that adds any credibilty to your arguments.

It's called age and life experiences. No one suggested having kids added credibility. Perhaps you got that from a cartoon?