adsense masters?

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 1:18 pm

Yes, I'm well over that per week.

this site is making $4000 and $7600 per month from adsense. i don't see there are very good traffics here, even though the PR and SEP ranked high. the pageviews are not that good. the site may have other sister sites to gerenate high CTR and high paying content, but I don't see any of those sites very unique. the placement of the ad is not designed for the max CTR rate either. i don't know how can digitalpoint make that much per month. for me, i have a very low traffic site but my CTR is extremely high, too high that i have to display 3 ads to lower the CTR.

digitalpoint is making more on ebay though, but i think unless via forced iframe or forced click, rebate for signup, there is no way to be that high. however even those forced cookie placer, unless the visitors are frequent ebay users, those forced clicks will not work. i have not seen any site in digitalpoint network is closely related to ebay/auction thing, so i still don't understand how it can be done.

it is really none of my business, as i am designing something in a totally different area which does not allow me any time into ebay thing yet.

NewComputer

Sep 7th 2004, 1:20 pm

from what ive read google have suspended alot of people who are getting big $$$'s :confused:

Can you please show us a source where you read that? If you think about how Google gets paid, if you are making $XXXX.XX they are making $XXXXXXX.XX so why would they be suspending any account who was making large $$$$ unless they were doing it illegally, which would not benefit the companies who advertise on Google.

PS: Anyone who discusses their AdSense revenues in a forum is crazy. I think what Shawn said would be the extent, and I would hesitate to divulge even that much of an estimate. Don't bite the hand that feeds us ;)

digitalpoint

Sep 7th 2004, 1:26 pm

Well, digitalpoint.com doesn't really *have* a network, and the eBay stuff isn't from digitalpoint.com, so I'm pretty sure that no one within this forum knows what it is. :)

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 1:34 pm

Well, digitalpoint.com doesn't really *have* a network, and the eBay stuff isn't from digitalpoint.com, so I'm pretty sure that no one within this forum knows what it is. :)

are you sure that it does not fall into the 2 things i am talking about?
1 offering rebate for signup
2 forced click

i am thinking to add something as something auctionwatch.com did before, but they are closed, because ebay shut them down. what i am designing requres a lot of programming on the server side. i hope i got the time to do it.

by the way, are you related with thinkbling on the ebay issue? it seems to me that both of you know some common thing.

did both of you guessed each other right or started as a team?

digitalpoint

Sep 7th 2004, 1:38 pm

NewComputer

Sep 7th 2004, 1:38 pm

this site is making $4000 and $7600 per month from adsense. i don't see there are very good traffics here, even though the PR and SEP ranked high. the pageviews are not that good. the site may have other sister sites to gerenate high CTR and high paying content, but I don't see any of those sites very unique. the placement of the ad is not designed for the max CTR rate either. i don't know how can digitalpoint make that much per month. for me, i have a very low traffic site but my CTR is extremely high, too high that i have to display 3 ads to lower the CTR.

digitalpoint is making more on ebay though, but i think unless via forced iframe or forced click, rebate for signup, there is no way to be that high. however even those forced cookie placer, unless the visitors are frequent ebay users, those forced clicks will not work. i have not seen any site in digitalpoint network is closely related to ebay/auction thing, so i still don't understand how it can be done.

it is really none of my business, as i am designing something in a totally different area which does not allow me any time into ebay thing yet.

QLL, you sure seem to know a lot about something you know very little about. According to Alexa, Shawns traffic here could easily afford him XXXX, so I wouldn't be so hasty to throw out there "i don't see there are very good traffics here". I see very good traffic here. Some search terms that Shawn ranks right there for I am sure are doing good business here. He won't show hiw cards.... not until I get some Canadian beer in him anyways!

schlottke

Sep 7th 2004, 2:17 pm

Shawn has a couple websites that rank well for some pretty excellent keywords - I've heard half of it was by accident. ;)

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 2:19 pm

I don't have any affiliation with ThinkBling, and yes, I'm sure my eBay stuff doesn't have anything to do with digitalpoint.com (and yes, it also required lots of coding, and currently a MySQL database with about 5GB of data in it).

ok, from what you said, i can guess more about your method. it seems you are not doing illegal stuffs if you use a database. the thing i am talking about only requres: 1 text file, 1 js file, 2 server script files at most. but it is clearly againt TOS of eBay, but I can prevent them from seeing how I do it by using Meta refresh and JS location plus Form POST and nested IFRAME, and referrer checking, and cookie verficatioin.

If I know your site, then I can reverse engineer it within 1 week. I already reverse engineered your adsense-tools/sandbox.

Let me ask you few more questions about your ebay to see if I can break the puzzle:
1 Does anyone else uses your method?
2 Did you figured on your own or got it from elsewhere?
3 Is the Database a mirror of ebay or set of keywords?

I have seen some ebay BS online, but mainly for sellers.

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 2:27 pm

Shawn has a couple websites that rank well for some pretty excellent keywords - I've heard half of it was by accident. ;)

that is not true. once you got a high PR main site, you can include any BS and rank them high. just like webhostingtalk or webmasterworld or hotscrpts. all of them are based on random select from diffferent people, so phrases are random so keywords are more likely to appear on those randowm things. that is why a forum is highly recommanded. however, few people know how to intergrate a forum with main content. i am so dispointed as i don't have a high PR site or a forum, otherwise, i will be very rich. if you have a high traffic forum, i can increase your adsense earnings by 100 times. but it must not be related to SEO, hosting, webmaster, as those visitors are too fishy. I don't like those visitors. I like uneducated, poor, elderly, women, children, those people don't ask too many questions, don't reverse engineer my codes. if you have health related, immigration related, finance related, making $10K per month is pretty easy from google. PR of 4 or higher is required, as google only craw deep for PR 4 or higher.

NewComputer

Sep 7th 2004, 3:08 pm

that is not true. once you got a high PR main site, you can include any BS and rank them high. just like webhostingtalk or webmasterworld or hotscrpts. all of them are based on random select from diffferent people, so phrases are random so keywords are more likely to appear on those randowm things. that is why a forum is highly recommanded. however, few people know how to intergrate a forum with main content. i am so dispointed as i don't have a high PR site or a forum, otherwise, i will be very rich. if you have a high traffic forum, i can increase your adsense earnings by 100 times. but it must not be related to SEO, hosting, webmaster, as those visitors are too fishy. I don't like those visitors. I like uneducated, poor, elderly, women, children, those people don't ask too many questions, don't reverse engineer my codes. if you have health related, immigration related, finance related, making $10K per month is pretty easy from google. PR of 4 or higher is required, as google only craw deep for PR 4 or higher.

Getting fishier by the second....

Chiara

Sep 7th 2004, 3:34 pm

I like uneducated, poor, elderly, women, children, those people don't ask too many questions

As a woman (educated, by the way) I find this to be one of the most inane posts I have ever seen on any message board. You gave me a good laugh -- thanks.

boogle

Sep 7th 2004, 3:37 pm

LMAO :rolleyes: :p

digitalpoint

Sep 7th 2004, 3:44 pm

If I know your site, then I can reverse engineer it within 1 week. I already reverse engineered your adsense-tools/sandbox.
Not terribly difficult... :) I made it in about 15 minutes by looking at AdSense. I would imagine anyone with a rudimentary understanding of JavaScript and Google could do the same.

Let me ask you few more questions about your ebay to see if I can break the puzzle:
1 Does anyone else uses your method?
2 Did you figured on your own or got it from elsewhere?
3 Is the Database a mirror of ebay or set of keywords?

I have seen some ebay BS online, but mainly for sellers.
It's not really a puzzle, so after this, I'm not going to give anymore info or answer "is it this" type of questions about it. If I wanted to share it, I would have already done so.

1. Maybe, I never looked.
2. My own.
3. No.

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 4:19 pm

As a woman (educated, by the way) I find this to be one of the most inane posts I have ever seen on any message board. You gave me a good laugh -- thanks.

Sorry, but that is called Profiling. It is used for airport screening, traffic stops, ad serving. Women and men have different clicking habbits. I spent coutless hours to increase the CTR by profiling visitors. I only grouped those type of people because the CTR is high among them. I don't mean they are the same in other ways.

Have you seem how elderly people click?

If you have tought people how to use internet, you will understand, once they learned how to click, they will click whatever they see. Once they know Internet well, they will not do that. The initial stage is very profitable for an adsense site. If you can get those traffics, you will make huge money, as long as you can balance them with low click ratio people to make your CTR under the radar.

qll

Sep 7th 2004, 4:21 pm

Not terribly difficult... :) I made it in about 15 minutes by looking at AdSense. I would imagine anyone with a rudimentary understanding of JavaScript and Google could do the same.

But, so far, you are the only site providing it. I first thought you got some special connection with google to get 20 showings rather than 4. Then I found Netscape doing the same, so I discovered several options to allow you do that.

NewComputer

Sep 7th 2004, 5:09 pm

you will make huge money, as long as you can balance them with low click ratio people to make your CTR under the radar.

Under the radar? Pal, I do nothing wrong with my AdSense, so under the radar does not apply. I wouldn't imagine that term applies to too many. Pretty sure that Shawn has never worried about the 'radar' and he gets more clicks than all my sites combined plus many others.

Chiara

Sep 7th 2004, 5:34 pm

Sorry, but that is called Profiling. It is used for airport screening, traffic stops, ad serving. Women and men have different clicking habbits.

You said those people don't ask many questions. That is what I found laughable. As far as women and men having different clicking habits, I don't think that's true at all. New Internet users and veteran internet users have different clicking habits. Newbies cannot tell the difference between an Adsense ad and the regular content, while longtime Internet users can do so with just a quick glance. If you ask a brand new Internet user to find the ads on a page with Adsense on it, they will just give you a blank stare. This has nothing to do with their sex.

Have you seem how elderly people click?

Yes I have, as a matter of fact -- they click the same way that any newbie to the Internet clicks. It really doesn't have anything to do with age or sex. It just so happens that there are more elderly people who have never used the Internet, so it seems like they have more problems than others.

nadlay

Sep 8th 2004, 5:01 am

as long as you can balance them with low click ratio people to make your CTR under the radar.

Why do you make this point?

Surely, if you have a normal website, that you are not forcing clicks on, the CTR could be anything, and you have no control over it.

The clicks will come from hundred or thousands of different IP addresses/PCs so it's not like one person clicking on the same computer.

If Google are worried about a high CTR, I would have thought they would have a manual look at the site and determine whether or not there is something fishy with the site.

And, if there's nothing fishy with the site, they obviously can't penalise you just for having a successful conversion rate on your site.

If you're doing something fishy and have something to hide then that's a different issue.

schlottke

Sep 8th 2004, 5:34 am

"as long as you can balance them with low click ratio people to make your CTR under the radar."

Seems kind of underhanded to me..

TwisterMc

Sep 8th 2004, 7:03 am

I'm almost up to a $1. Only $99 to go till I reach my first goal. :D

Help Desk

Sep 8th 2004, 7:24 am

...by the way, are you related with thinkbling on the ebay issue? it seems to me that both of you know some common thing...

did both of you guessed each other right or started as a team?

I take that as a compliment. I have only started getting into my own website stuff in the past year or so and my full-time job prohibits me from putting any huge amount of time into any venture. (At this time).

Although Shawn and my overall talent's might not differ greatly, he puts much more time into projects AND is MUCH better at finding niches and applications of all things internet.

I'm getting better howerver, but still have much to learn.

david_sakh

Sep 8th 2004, 1:38 pm

"google have suspended alot of people who are getting big $$$'s "

google suspends a lot of people who have suspeciously high click-through percentages.

digitalpoint

Sep 8th 2004, 1:59 pm

"google have suspended alot of people who are getting big $$$'s "

google suspends a lot of people who have suspeciously high click-through percentages.
I don't believe that. They may have been suspended for something that *led* to high CTR (fraud, encouraging users to click, etc.), but I have a few sites that run 25-35% CTR. Never been suspended, nor contacted by Google about it. But then again, I'm not doing anything shady at ALL with them.

david_sakh

Sep 8th 2004, 2:06 pm

it's all hearsay. But by suspiciously high I'm talking small-timers with 70% clickthrough rates. You can't deny how suspicous that is, and I've heard google doesn't tolerate it.

TwisterMc

Sep 8th 2004, 2:30 pm

I bet they look at ip's. If a high rate of clicks come from one ip than they'll wonder. But if it's spread out, then who cares.

NewComputer

Sep 8th 2004, 3:10 pm

it's all hearsay. But by suspiciously high I'm talking small-timers with 70% clickthrough rates. You can't deny how suspicous that is, and I've heard google doesn't tolerate it.

Heard where? So much of this crap about G is stuff people made up and then attached "I've heard"....

Why would they ban someone who was not doing anything wrong, had a 70% clickthrough and was small time? That tells me they market themselves very well, have AdSense well represented and placed on their site and that G is serving the right information.

Google gets PPC as well. So if the clicks are legit, and it is legit business going to the websites of the AdWords subscribers I can almost guarantee G wouldn't care if you had 100%, as long as it was legit. I have not heard anyone getting banned from G for doing everything above ground.

qll

Sep 8th 2004, 3:37 pm

I take that as a compliment. I have only started getting into my own website stuff in the past year or so and my full-time job prohibits me from putting any huge amount of time into any venture. (At this time).

Although Shawn and my overall talent's might not differ greatly, he puts much more time into projects AND is MUCH better at finding niches and applications of all things internet.

I'm getting better howerver, but still have much to learn.

OK, Shawn told me enough about his Ebay trick. How about you? Do you also have a database matching keywords and let visitors click those keywords? or you play the trick from a total different view point.

My project for ebay trick is to build a client software in C++, but I don't have the talent or money to manage it.