Remove Your Enemies From Yahoo Search In 48h

[brandnewx]

Apparently, my rival has successfully removed my site fxfisherman.com from yahoo search index by just reporting copyright infringement to yahoo. Obviously my site has nothing to do with copyright infringement. There is no pirated file, no illegal content, no link to illegal content, no torrent, no nothing. And yahoo is too stupid to follow the request without asking for court order, legal document, or anything to prove that there is copyright infringement case.

So I strongly encourage all of you to file a request with yahoo to remove all your rival websites. Yahoo will blindly remove them, in 48h. It's absolutely free! No string attached. Removal is GUARANTEED!!!

To remove your rivals, visit:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html

Or just drop an email with subject "remove rival.com" with blank body to copyright@yahoo-inc.com

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[khasmoth]

So are you going to retaliate?

[MattKNC]

Ah, I detect a wee bit of sarcasm in this thread! :rolleyes:

I wonder if it is that easy to see that someone is removed from a search engine? If so, what recourse does the offended party have?

This could get ugly... :eek:

[brandnewx]

So are you going to retaliate?
If my site is banned from google.com too, i'm going to retaliate. I'm going to sue this guy to pay for all the damages. How is it possible to force yahoo/google to reinclude my site through court order?

[ninjashoes]

Wow, that is really messed up and scary. Have you contacted Yahoo at all?

[brandnewx]

I sent two emails to Yahoo copyright department to appeal, and another two to ask for reinclusion.

This is scary indeed. The reason I'm posting my story here is to inform you guys that your rival can ask yahoo to remove your site by just making up copyright infringement case.

[enQuira]

What makes you so sure that you were removed because of copyright infringments and that your competitor reported you?

[Yfcadmin]

Well I dont think a rapid action will be taken by Yahoo Team. No one is stupid enough to remove some content for copyrights.

I own a yahoo word containing domain and even sent a fax to yahoo about it. They require complete proof of the copyright problem...

Its not child's play to get some site removed.

[JoaT]

Unfortunately, the way DMCAs and Copyright claims work this can't be avoided.

However, under the DMCA when someone files one, you have the right to respond to it and declare under Penalty of Perjury that it is invalid. This will reverse the effects if the company properly follows the law and your listing should be re-instated. It is then the burden of the person filing the claim to get a legal court order proving their case. If they don't provide a court order within X days then they lose by default, basically.

I'm not a lawyer, I would check up to make sure this is still how it is.

[JoaT]

Btw, you could sue for damages if they illegaly filed one of these and caused you monetary loss.

[brandnewx]

What makes you so sure that you were removed because of copyright infringments and that your competitor reported you?

He first threatened me that I remove all the threads that give his site bad publicity, or they'll remove my site from SEs. Here is what the rival posted in forum shortly after my site was banned from yahoo:

Hi Scorpion. Did you notice that your site does not appear in Yahoo search results anymore? Yep. that was me. I contacted them and got your site removed from the search listings. I have also contacted Google and they will be removing your site from their listings also. Have a nice day asshole

[brandnewx]

Well I dont think a rapid action will be taken by Yahoo Team. No one is stupid enough to remove some content for copyrights.

I own a yahoo word containing domain and even sent a fax to yahoo about it. They require complete proof of the copyright problem...

Its not child's play to get some site removed.
Yes, they require complete proof of the case. But after that they won't carefully verify that the your docs are valid or not. If they did, my site wouldn't have been banned, would it? It doesn't contain illegal, copyrighted materials. I--like you--used to think that no one was stupid enough to remove website for copyrights, but it was wrong.

[livingearth]

What sort of content did you have that gave them bad publicity?

[PoemofQuotes]

And here it comes... of course we weren't told the whole truth from the start.

[ablaye]

He first threatened me that I remove all the threads that give his site bad publicity, or they'll remove my site from SEs. Here is what the rival posted in forum shortly after my site was banned from yahoo:

Hi Scorpion. Did you notice that your site does not appear in Yahoo search results anymore? Yep. that was me. I contacted them and got your site removed from the search listings. I have also contacted Google and they will be removing your site from their listings also. Have a nice day asshole

You should forward his message to Yahoo and Google.

[brandnewx]

And here it comes... of course we weren't told the whole truth from the start.
I did mention "rival". It should be a long story short. But if you want to see the long story, here it goes:

http://www.fxfisherman.com/forums/forex-metatrader/commercial-products/1390-conquest-expert-advisor.html

The thread was all about due diligence or a review on a product protraderforex.com sells. It turns out the product doesn't work like advertised. More importantly, their customers came to my site and shout "scam".

Ok, if you google "conquest expert advisor", my site ranked above protraderforex.com, AND we're exposing the very bad truth about the scam. It upsets them especially the owner, Richard Henry. He made up a story of copyright infringement by registering multiple aliases to upload faked files, shortly removed by mods, and blackmailed me that he would sue and ask SEs to remove my site from search indices, unless I removed all the threads or scam reports about his product. I refused to cooperate because I don't support scammer and more importantly I'm pro freedom of speech. Later on it turned out I got punished protecting "freedom of speech." My members and I have the right to exercise free speech.

It's just funny how yahoo handles this situation. And to prevent this life happening to me from Google side, I added a lot of "This site does NOT promote piracy. There is NO copyrighted file on fxfisherman.com" to existing posts, just in case some guy at Google want to do something stupid.

You can see from the thread or even cached page at Google that there has never been a pirated file uploaded. You'll see Richard Henry himself acting his drama in multiple aliases to scam and insult people.

[Yfcadmin]

umm... sounds real. Richard created a complete proof story to punish you out. Why don you do the same but registering a few more domains and try to publish some real article about you getting scammed ??

[mad4]

If you file a fake, incorrect or misleading DCMA then you can be sued.

http://mashable.com/2007/03/22/youtube-vs-viacom/

[Yfcadmin]

That's right .... brandnewx you can take action against him.

[brandnewx]

Being banned from yahoo is not a big deal currently, as there're only few visitors coming from it, but if my site is banned from google.com, I'll take legal actions against him. I know who he is and where he lives. It's just to easy for me to make him suffer a lifetime and pay me the monetary losses by his actions.

And here's how yahoo replied back to me. <sarcasm>It's the most astounding, helpful reply ever.</sarcasm> Apparently, it's not coincident that yahoo ban was just a few days after that guy told me he had sent the copyright refringement complaint to yahoo. The hour my site was banned, he came to my forum to drop his insults. I applaud yahoo staff's intelligence.


Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Search.

It has been determined that your site may not comply with Yahoo!'s
Content Quality Guidelines located at:

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/deletions/deletions-05.html


Ok, i'm writing all of these to let you know that you can remove all your enemies from yahoo search in only 48 hours. That's GUARANTEED! You know why.

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[brandnewx]

The most scary thing behind the scene at Yahoo is that some Yahoo employees may be corrupted. That is you give 50 bucks or so to an insider to have a site removed or reincluded.

My site fxfisherman.com is listed in Yahoo Directory through a may-be insider. Normally you have to pay directly to yahoo to be listed, but that 3rd-party made a guarantee that paying him at a discounted fee, he will put a site in Yahoo Directory.

Transaction:
Quantity: 1
Product ID: 4
Product Description:
Submit Yahoo Directory ($ 60.00 USD)

Total: $ 60.00 USD ( US Dollars )
The order was billed to:
xxxx@fxfisherman.com

Distributed By:
ManageSEO Co. ( http://www.manageseo.com )

[enQuira]

Are you saying that you can get listed in yahoo directory for $60 given directly to an editor?
I am interested...

[Yfcadmin]

That's pretty annoying. But I think a physical assault will help you alot. Kick his ass personally... :D

[markn26]

wow, this is pretty sad....almost as sad as google banning someone when another visitor repeatedly clicks their ads.

[brandnewx]

Are you saying that you can get listed in yahoo directory for $60 given directly to an editor?
I am interested...
It was 48 hours after payment that my site appeared in yahoo directory. I don't know how that guy managed to do that for 60 bucks. If he submitted through the free option, it'd take forever to be listed.

Unfortunately I've lost all his contacts. The transaction email states only manageseo.com, and all the PMs in DP have been pruned. The thread @ DP that guy promoted his service is gone too.

[proinet]

Your competitor will likely use the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) to try to get you de-listed from Google. Do a search for DMCA and read up on it for your options. It offers protections for both sides.

It doesn't sound like DMCA was used with Yahoo, becasue DMCA requires you be notified and given an opportunity to file a counter-claim. Doesn't sound like that happened with you.

[Yfcadmin]

Yes his case was one sided.

[garye]

Wow I am absolutely stunned that someone would go to such great lengths to get their listing removed. If there was no competition life would be a piece of cake ~ competition is what makes us strive to be better!

Oh well - It will all come back to this guy in due course. This is an orderly universe.

Gary

[brandnewx]

I suspect that this is not DMCA, or maybe it is. Several posts back I mentioned that some yahoo employees are corrupted.

What ever it is, it must be that guy who did that. There is no other reason behind the ban.

[Rub3X]

Google requires you physically write them or fax them a signed DCMA complaint, with the proof that it is yours I believe. Least that's what they said when some moron was scraping my RSS for his MFA blog.

[NewTier]

Very interesting. I know a site's adsense was removed for supposed "copy right infrigements", but all the articles were user submited so it's an odd situation..

[simey]

I don't know how that guy managed to do that for 60 bucks

Yeah, I remember that guy. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=118551

[Benahue]

This sounds like the type of thing that Google wouldn't do as abruptly. Yahoo has an ongoing history of not properly planning things correctly, and this story definitely seems to fall in that category.

[guy123]

that is dirty...this is the only other "dirty" method I've heard of that can hurt your rivals besides click fraud. that's scary stuff..

[brandnewx]

If Yahoo were a great company, Google wouldn't have beaten them this bad. 5% of all searches were from Yahoo, 1% from MSN and 94% from Google.

<sarcasm>10 Reasons Why I Love Yahoo</sarcasm>

Yahoo is full of bright employees who pay attention on validity of issue.
Yahoo management is just superb at planning and organizing. They lead all the times.
Yahoo search results are highly relevant. It has 94% market share!
You cannot bribe anyone to include your site in Yahoo Directory for 60 bucks.
Yahoo do not ban innocent website.
Yahoo can tell if it is a misused DMCA.
Yahoo submits references of all DMCA cases to chillingeffects.org
You can counter a DMCA by sending email to DoNotReply@yahoo.com.
Yahoo does not help jail any reporter, not to mention any freedom fighter.
"If you are not corrupted, at least you can dress like one. Yahooooo!"

[qwestcommunications]

I don't think it would be as that. If it is, then Yahoo really needs to look into its policies. If this is the case, anyone cn remobve About.com forom yahoo's index by reporting they are infringing copyright.

[axlarry]

I don't think it would be as that. If it is, then Yahoo really needs to look into its policies. If this is the case, anyone cn remobve About.com forom yahoo's index by reporting they are infringing copyright.

good point here. There must be a reason, a very good reason I mean.

[PinoyIto]

Hey report yahoo also they are copying other sites contents... doesn't they violating copyright infringement?

[andre75]

It was 48 hours after payment that my site appeared in yahoo directory. I don't know how that guy managed to do that for 60 bucks. If he submitted through the free option, it'd take forever to be listed.

Unfortunately I've lost all his contacts. The transaction email states only manageseo.com, and all the PMs in DP have been pruned. The thread @ DP that guy promoted his service is gone too.

Money laundering.
He steals a CC, pays Yahoo and gets $60 from you until the card holder discovers is. At this point the sh*t hits the fan and you might get into trouble.
I can only say everyone should stay away from such deals for their own good.
I have submitted my sites to the free inclusion a couple of times but no luck. I don't think its worth $299 for me and I won't pay some a$$h. $60 just to get into trouble or be removed (its a subscription anyways, which means you have to re-pay every year, which of course won't happen).

[brandnewx]

Makes sense. But we are pretty much speculating. Any submitted website hasn't been yet taken down. If there were chargebacks, my site might not be in the Yahoo directory.

I'd like to know truth, even i'm risking my site inclusion in yahoo directory talking about this. I wonder if somebody at yahoo who has authority to inspect this transaction could shed some light. If it's due ot CC fraud or whatever, i'd be happy to have my site removed my yahoo directory.

By the way, i got contacted by a kind, considerate yahoo employee. Hope he can shed some light on my site ban from yahoo search.

[brandnewx]

This is what Richard Henry posted after he has scammed a member of my forum:

Richard Henry: You must be the dumbest scum bag that ever tried to trade forex. Thanks for the money. I am using it to pay for my new Lamborghini diablo.

Link to the post (http://www.fxfisherman.com/forums/forex-metatrader/commercial-products/1390-conquest-expert-advisor-4.html#post6803)

[Yfcadmin]

That's real nasty statement. brandnewx ... why dont you fill in a case against him or even contact Yahoo with legal documents. Try sending a Fax to them with all the possible proofs you have with you.

[Jackuul]

I never have liked Yahoo in searches and in ability to find what I am looking for. This just makes me cringe away from opening a yahoo account for advertising.

I say you should do what you think is right - and if he does do this to you on google go all out and go apes*** on him.

[brandnewx]

That's real nasty statement. brandnewx ... why dont you fill in a case against him or even contact Yahoo with legal documents. Try sending a Fax to them with all the possible proofs you have with you.
I'm filing a counter-DMCA to yahoo now after a special recommendation. It has been confirmed now that my site was removed because of DMCA.

If the counter-notice is a success in bringing back my site, I'm going to sue Richard Henry for misuse of DMCA.


If it is determined that the copyright holder misrepresented its claim regarding the infringing material, the copyright holder then becomes liable to the OSP for any damages that resulted from the improper removal of the material. [512(f)]

[brandnewx]

For more info, two urls linked to the thread is now removed from Google. I think my whole site is going to be removed in Google pretty soon.

I can't believe such a lawful notice like DMCA to combat real copyright infringement is being abused this way. Yahoo or Google by laws has to respond to the DMCA notice they received, or they run a risk of being sued. I was being harsh lately on blaming Yahoo guys--they have no choice either. However, there is counter-notice available for me. When Yahoo or Google receives my count-notice, they by laws will have to do what the counter-notice tells them to. With DMCA and counter-notice in hand, Yahoo or Google is safe.

[Yfcadmin]

Yes brandnewx... The main thing is what you do. If you sit still and dont do anything ... then it proves your side as the wrong one. .. Filing a case will sow that you are actively involved and that there is something wrong in this whole case.

[brandnewx]

Got a response from Yahoo legal department. They response much faster than I thought. My site is going back before April 24, if Richard Henry doesn't file lawsuit against me or Yahoo. Kudos to you guys and yahoo legal department. ;)

[Yfcadmin]

Well you see Yahoo isnt that bad at all... Still can give details about what you did for filing a case. That might help any newbie.

[brandnewx]

Without posting this, I wouldn't have a chance to know what went wrong. A considerate Yahoo employee or manager happened to read this thread, so he contacted me and offered a special checking. I appreciate his help wholeheartedly. But apparently, Yahoo as the whole didn't notify me as required by DMCA laws (maybe not required since i'm not legally a subscriber/client of Yahoo).

Here's what I've learnt. It's neither Yahoo's or Google's fault or intention to remove my site from their search index. The whole problem lies in DMCA laws; it's problematic and flawed. Obviously, it is just too easy to abuse this. You can well fake a DMCA notice, send to ISP, web host, registrar or search engine to shoot your competitor down. It's damn easy to fake and the DMCA system is at your advantage, no matter what. The receiver of DMCA has to do something about it *without* verifying the legitimacy of the claim. They can't verify the issue much because DMCA does not protect them. DMCA notice is biased to the complainant side.

Now let see how Google handles counter notification. It's been like 24h. No reply yet. Ok, now I feel like shooting somebody's site down; after all, DMCA is a double-edged sword.

[Yfcadmin]

Feels great to me......... ;) ... :D

[The Ceo]

hmmm... a bit below the belt but many people will do anything.

[Anita]

Got a response from Yahoo legal department. They response much faster than I thought. My site is going back before April 24, if Richard Henry doesn't file lawsuit against me or Yahoo. Kudos to you guys and yahoo legal department. ;)

Congrats on getting this resolved, or at least, on a successful start to the resolution process. This is one of the reasons I don't badmouth anyone online, no reason to get them on a crusade to take you down.

[Jackuul]

Congrats on getting this resolved, or at least, on a successful start to the resolution process. This is one of the reasons I don't badmouth anyone online, no reason to get them on a crusade to take you down.

Exactly what I think too - well said.

[brandnewx]

Apparently Richard Henry sent another bogus DMCA complaint to Google and Yahoo yesterday.

This time he claimed my copyrighted work (http://www.fxfisherman.com/forums/forex-metatrader/tools-utilities/1478-expert-advisor-upgrader-turn-simple-into.html) as his. The link below points to the tool being developed by me.

The link:
http://www.fxfisherman.com/forums/forex-metatrader/tools-utilities/1478-expert-advisor-upgrader-turn-simple-into.html


See he put my creation (link above) as his copyrighted work. That guy is an devil who is not afraid of laws.

http://www.fxfisherman.com/images/protraderforex.gif

[Jackuul]

I cannot believe there are people who are so persistent when they're perpetuating a lie. His guise and attempts of social engineering will land him in prison. I recommend you immediately seek litigation against him NOW. It is absolutely evident he won't stop his insanity!

[Louis11]

I'm glad you are in the process of getting things sorted out. I have been following this whole story from the beginning. Though Henry blatantly abused the DMCA, I think it's only fair to consider the positive affects it would have if someone was actually violating your copyright. However, you should definitely take legal action against him...

I'll keep following the story :) Hope things work out!

Ever consider submitting this story to digg? I saw a looney copyright lawsuit on there the other day :p

[brandnewx]

Thanks for following my DMCA story. But i'm sure you are learning how to protect yourself from this kind of situation. I'll keep you informed.

Cory from BoingBoing.net has fowarded my help letter to ChillingEffects and EFF--thanks Cory. Hopefully they can help me sue or stop this guy. Note that i'm not living in the states; therefore, it's not an easy task to sue somebody from abroad. If the damage turns significant anytime, I'll fly there personally.

[Yfcadmin]

Whatever goes .... dont give up. Fax the copies of proofs and the details to Yahoo and Google. Both companies are supportive. Infact you have seen Yahoo with personal assistance here on digitalpoint. Its better if you file a DMCA yourself.

[brandnewx]

Oh look like this guy is cornered. This is his email a few hours ago:

Richard Henry:
I am getting a court order to permantnly remove your site from google and yahoo. You will not be getting any more money from your google adwords. I am also going to contact google adwords and tell them about your fraud and get them to cancell your account. You will be then just a penniless as all the losers in your shit country. If you want me to stop then remove all posts abount conquest and protraderforex in its total. If you do not then you will pay the price

Rich

[Yfcadmin]

Google Adwords ... I guess he's talking about Google Adsense ... I guess your appeal got into his brain. :D ... Good work

Dont you worry about it. No court can denied your true case. ;)

[SEOdir.net]

I have repported some warez sites, I will tell you when I see any result.

[brandnewx]

I'm a subscriber/client of Adsense, so Google will have to inform me to remove copyrighted materials within 10 days or so. Or as soon as they forward the DMCA notice to me, I will need just send them counter notification and remove nothing. That's all.

In fact, he didn't do the DMCA. He click bombed the ads! Today's revenue and CTR jump unusually high. That's poor puppy doesn't know publishers can report suspicious clicks. I did report and saw $10 worth of clicks removed from the earnings.

He is cornered... awaiting to be slapped with a lawsuit.

[Yfcadmin]

lolz... gr8 going. Do post more about your case. I'd like to see that loser losing. :D

[brandnewx]

Got a reply from Adsense staff yesterday. The reply was the usual computer generated message which says they were closely monitoring the situation, and at the same time suggesting me read some guidelines and TOS.

[Yfcadmin]

lolz :D so your case filing is really working ... Good.

[nfd2005]

That sucks, I hope you get back in.

[brandnewx]

My adsense account is BANNED due to invalid clicks. Now i'm sending out appeal emails to adsense support.

I feel really offended by these actions Google and Yahoo have done to me. Not only have I not done anything wrong, but I am also a victim of what this Richard Henry is doing to me.

Here's the lessons for you to learn from my mistake. First, there is no use to contact Google support to report any invalid clicks, because you'll get banned anyway. Second, use AdLogger to monitor clicks on the ads. When you appeal, you'll need to provide which IPs and when the invalid clicks were generated from. Your server log is useless in detecting clickbomb.

[Yfcadmin]

That's right ... Adlogger helps in producing the IPs that clicked the ads.

[Jackuul]

Adlogger?

I think it is time for you to sue. Sue him for damages, sue him for lying and fraud, hell, sue him for everything you can.

[Yfcadmin]

Jackuul dude he say filed the DMCA ...

[Jackuul]

I know he did, I am saying do more - if he can.

[Yfcadmin]

That's right ... He should do as much damage as he can... coz that jerk banned his adsense account..

[Jackuul]

Should make an interesting movie too. He could write a script and profit off of it - then give it a name like "300 days of hell" and include a scene where he kicks that jerk off the side of a tall apartment building - whilst clad in Spartan Armor - and screaming at the top of his lungs "THIS IS [site name here]"

Best part - he'd make millions and get publicity for his site whilst that criminal doesn't make a dime.

[Yfcadmin]

Nope .. He should scream ... "Tonight We kick some Ass coz I am the Admin of ( site name here ) "
:D

[visioninfotech]

if getting banned from yahoo is so easy and fast, i guess soon yahoo will not be trusted by webmasters and general search audience.

[Yfcadmin]

@visioninfotech: read the thread completely. Richard filed a DMCA which demands results than proofs. So, Yahoo or Google or Msn will have to take steps and ban the site before looking on the proofs unless brandnewx files a counter DMCA.

So its not only Yahoo... any company ( Msn. AOL, Google, A9 any company) will try to safe guard its interests.

[hmc]

hmm, interesting to know the reason why it has been deleted.
copyright violation is not enough to be deleted from their listing.

[Yfcadmin]

Filing DMCA is a complete reason ...

[Pathan]

Thats really amazing. I should give it a try for my rival sites. ;)
Did you contact Yahoo about this matter? If yes, what was thier response??

[Yfcadmin]

Well its the flaw within DMCA ... so no company is responsible for this. They are compelled to remove the listing unless the second part files another DMCA.

[brandnewx]

It's not totally Yahoo or Google's fault in this case. But they all (i mean their policy) are obviously stupid and seriously in need for a restructure.

* Why did Yahoo decide to ban the whole site instead of just the may-be offending pages? Google took off only the reported pages. I believe Yahoo is lazier than Google, because Yahoo knows that there will be subsequent DMCA notices for them to process.

* Why didn't Google Adsense implemented a warning system for invalid-click cases? Publishers can then counter the cases without revenue loss. I believe Adsense is understaffed. They don't have the capacity to follow up the cases. That means they would rather break good relationship with good publishers rather than hiring more employees.

* Why would adsense publisher with long good standing want to generate invalid clicks on his account? Here's my story: I started with revenue of a cent a day for months. It grew to a dollar a day after months of hard working, and grew to few dollars a day. It is a long way for me to have come to earning thousands a month. I shed tear and blood to be here, and yet pooof! "Your Adense Account Is Disabled" email, because your competitor clicked bomb the ads. I'm not crying now. I'm laughing at the fact that Adsense anti-clickfraud is a joke.

* Why are all support emails pre-written? So far, all my support emails to them were responded by robots assuring me that they were closely monitoring the situation, blah, blah. "Shut up!" I say. Don't take credits of being an industrial employee closely monitoring my adsense account. It is BANNED today by one of you guys! And my website is BANNED because of DMCA notice not because of Yahoo's so-called "link spams."

Jackuul, if i were living in the States and paying lawyers benefited me, I would sue. You gotta have a second thought, because in the States the loser of lawsuit won't pay your attorney's fees and the winning reward is much lower than you would expect. It's not the right solution for me. The laws are flawed, not to mention the whole international legal system.

[brandnewx]

I'm a subscriber/client of Adsense, so Google will have to inform me to remove copyrighted materials within 10 days or so. Or as soon as they forward the DMCA notice to me, I will need just send them counter notification and remove nothing. That's all.

In fact, he didn't do the DMCA. He click bombed the ads! Today's revenue and CTR jump unusually high. That's poor puppy doesn't know publishers can report suspicious clicks. I did report and saw $10 worth of clicks removed from the earnings.

He is cornered... awaiting to be slapped with a lawsuit.
I'm eating my words right now. My adsense account is BANNED. I did report suspicious clicks, but hell I didn't know the reporting system is well a joke. It's a joke buddy. Reporting only brings unnecessary attention to your account. I think there may be a 'watch this account' switch in which Google staff can flip on or off. And when the switch is on, your account is being scrutinized for invalid clicks. And when there're invalid clicks, they closed your account. What is this? The good publisher reporting suspicious clicks got backfired.

[Jackuul]

There are words I wish to use to convey what I feel for you - but I am afraid many people find them objectionable and rude. However, just think what Samuel L. Jackson said about the snakes on the plane. Keep emailing google, try to get it into their heads you have some loser trying to ruin your sites because he's a freak.

[visioninfotech]

@visioninfotech: read the thread completely. Richard filed a DMCA which demands results than proofs. So, Yahoo or Google or Msn will have to take steps and ban the site before looking on the proofs unless brandnewx files a counter DMCA.

So its not only Yahoo... any company ( Msn. AOL, Google, A9 any company) will try to safe guard its interests.

i read the thread already but this is not a reason enough to ban a website from yahoo. I have received many warnings from many webmasters till now, but no one filed a DMCA yet as the things were resolved. In many cases, the webmasters are just so naive that they think if their news title and teaser is shown on another site, its copyright violation, while they promote their RSS feeds as well. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[brandnewx]

I attached a copy of Richard Henry's DMCA notice, maybe around page 3 or 4. I can't believe such companies take DMCA notice with a lot of misspelling this seriously.

[Yfcadmin]

Well its a worldwide company and after providing a ton of compensation in different cases, I dont think they are interested in having more court cases. so, they think its better to be off with a site than waste time in a case.

[shongaks]

this is really a scary thing... almost every thing is scary over the internet...:(

[Yfcadmin]

shongaks ... dont worry unless you have a determined enemy online ... ;)

[brandnewx]

Don't you worry on the net. That guy is a psycho. You don't meet this type of people often. In fact, I met two within these 3 years. This one is really a psycho.

Anyway, I'm not in an attacking position--it's lame to slap a psycho in the face. DDoS comes cheap these days. Small sites he has could be sent to sleep with fish for months. But chill out... As far as the whole thing goes, it's getting better. Yahoo and google are unbanning the reported pages/site. Adsense or not, it's not the end of the world. There're advertisers who contacted me to pay twice Adsense pays me. I wonder why I stuck to Adsense program that took half of my revenue only to insult me with the ban.

I've seen myself rambling all day and night in this thread. I think it's enough now. End rambling mode. What goes around, comes around.

[fathom]

Just to be clear -- your removal is a cautionary act by the search engine to ensure they remain under the protection of DMCA in the event of a lawsuit... they CANNOT determine who owns what or who is right or wrong.

If you counter claim the rival MUST then show proof of court action within 14 days of your counter-claim... and that is where you "get them back":

1. they file and their own words to you can be used in court.

2. they don't file - and you are automatically reincluded

3. If you wish once they don't file you can sue for lost revenue and punitive damages.
Yahoo does leave the ability to abuse the system more easily but anyone stupid enough falsely try it - is "breaking the law"... and that can be a costly matter.

[brandnewx]

>> anyone stupid enough falsely try it - is "breaking the law"... and that can be a costly matter.

If US court protected non-us citizens, I would agree with you. The reward for winning the case wouldn't even justify plane ticket flying to the States, not to mention attorney's fees and more. So if you expect the victim living outside the states to sue oversea, dream on. At the end of the day, bad guy can send bogus DMCA notices to take down websites owned by whoever living outside USA.

AND, you can fake a DMCA by stating somebody's else name and address. Who knows you did it? The whole DMCA notice could be faked. You could be sueing the wrong guy!

Yahoo in fact doesn't have to remove the whole site, or does it? They do it voluntarily.

[fathom]

>> anyone stupid enough falsely try it - is "breaking the law"... and that can be a costly matter.

If US court protected non-us citizens, I would agree with you. The reward for winning the case wouldn't even justify plane ticket flying to the States, not to mention attorney's fees and more. So if you expect the victim living outside the states to sue oversea, dream on. At the end of the day, bad guy can send bogus DMCA notices to take down websites owned by whoever living outside USA.

AND, you can fake a DMCA by stating somebody's else name and address. Who knows you did it? The whole DMCA notice could be faked. You could be sueing the wrong guy!

Yahoo in fact doesn't have to remove the whole site, or does it? They do it voluntarily.

Not really... but the idea of doing it is a measure of risk - that you won't escalate it. Nonetheless, when you counterclaim - the ball goes the other way - they must commence court action against you -- to keep you out.

A "designated agent" acting under the protection of DMCA Title 2 will remove whatever they deem is the most effective way to ensure they are protected under DMCA Title 2...

In some cases that might be the alledged page(s) and in others that complete domain... DMCA isn't specific about the amount of removal so it is up to their level of comfort.

[fathom]

And when the switch is on, your account is being scrutinized for invalid clicks. And when there're invalid clicks, they closed your account. What is this? The good publisher reporting suspicious clicks got backfired.

Since Google uses geo-targetting software for showing ads you can be 100% sure they use it to monitor clicks and when you do it enough - your account is flagged.

I've accidently clicked on ads twice and notified Google about them and the second time they sent back a polite "no need to report" -- "the system automatically discards such clicks and flags account according to the amount of discarding".

I would guess it is next to impossible to get $10 of money fraudulently from Google.

[Yfcadmin]

Well its depends on the situation. Getting money from google is hard these days .... Back in 2005 ... I have seen my friend getting over $550 to $1000 per month for click frauds. Its not really tough to do it. Its just to get a correct approach. ;)

But I aint free to waste time for it. Still I would say its possible with all those keywords hanging around you with some good traffic. :D

[doublebag]

"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."

[brandnewx]

Since Google uses geo-targetting software for showing ads you can be 100% sure they use it to monitor clicks and when you do it enough - your account is flagged.

I've accidently clicked on ads twice and notified Google about them and the second time they sent back a polite "no need to report" -- "the system automatically discards such clicks and flags account according to the amount of discarding".

I would guess it is next to impossible to get $10 of money fraudulently from Google.
Wrong. Have you ever read click-fraud report written by Google? Yes it's not $10 but millions lost to click-fraudsters. 3rd-party audit showed even more shocking report.

>> when you do it enough - your account is flagged.

You mean I clicked on my ads and then my account was banned? Dude my account was banned on April 18, and I posted here on April 12 (link to the post (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2800329&postcount=59)) that Richard Henry had blackmailed me to remove the thread or he would make my adsense account ban.

And DMCA notice is effective in taking down offending materials, not the whole website or company. But yahoo has their own right to remove whatever they feel comfortable, with or without DMCA notice.

[brandnewx]

I've got an update from Adsense Team this morning. They're currently reviewing my account with the additional information I provided. But they made it clear to me that there is no guarantee that my account will be reinstated. "As outlined in the Terms and Conditions, Google reserves the right to cease any publisher's participation at any time." mentioned in the email.

I'm optimistic that I will get my adsense account back soon. Because I did nothing wrong. I was not the one who generated the invalid clicks/impressions. I had reported suspicious activity to Adsense Team on April 13/14, and I've got suspicious IPs to prove my innocence.

[Yfcadmin]

That's a good point. Using Adloggers do help in this type of cases. ;)

[casperl]

Really interesting thread. I wish you good luck and waiting for further news from your side here..

[CheapPurses]

I love your site, awesome! Didn't deserve to be banned! Yahoo search engine lost a great website! I 'm convinced that you are honest, so best of luck, and keep us updated!

[AffiliateD]

thats odd that theyll do that for no reason

[brandnewx]

MY ADSENSE ACCOUNT IS REINSTATED! Thank you Darren from adsense team!

Lesson you can learn from my case. The only reason I won this because I had reported to adsense team that CTR was unusually high. When my account was banned, I pointed them to the support ticket I submitted earlier.

Extract from the email:
Thank you for clarifying your situation. We have reviewed your circumstances and have reinstated your account, effective immediately. Please note that there will be a delay of up to 48 hours before our servers are informed of the update and ads start running on your website again.

[Yfcadmin]

umm... that's good. This is the second account I have seen reinstalled ...

You used www.adlogger.org/ for logging clicks right ... I am just making it clear for the newbies ... that might be a lesson and quite helpful to them ;)

[brandnewx]

I didn't use adlogger, but I know one IP as it's logged by vbulletin. To get all offending IPs, I coded a program in vb.net to analyze the 700MB server log. I wished I used adlogger though. I would have been able to block the IPs from seeing the ads.

That guy was determined to get my adsense banned. He used 4 networks with around 12 IPs to clickbomb the ads. It took me a day to code an arsenal tool (log analyzer) to understand how he did it. Digging a 700MB server log for IPs was like finding a needle in ocean.

http://www.fxfisherman.com/images/log-henry.gif

[brandnewx]

Seen repeated adsense searches? For each search, he clicked all the ads in the result page.

[Yfcadmin]

Wow great man ... well I tried to install adlogger .... but the funny thing it gave an error ... header already sent ... anyhow good to know you are a programmer too and a debugger .. ;)

[Reprobate]

He first threatened me that I remove all the threads that give his site bad publicity, or they'll remove my site from SEs. Here is what the rival posted in forum shortly after my site was banned from yahoo:

Hi Scorpion. Did you notice that your site does not appear in Yahoo search results anymore? Yep. that was me. I contacted them and got your site removed from the search listings. I have also contacted Google and they will be removing your site from their listings also. Have a nice day asshole

You can ask the Forum Admin of that other site (nicely) to lock the thread and give details of the IP address as evidence. Or maybe you just go straight to the subpoena. You'll need a lawyer to sort through this mess methinks.

[brandnewx]

I'm the forum admin. And the forum site has been banned from Yahoo.

Somebody blogged my story (http://thoughtmechanics.com/2007/04/20/remove-your-enemies-from-yahoo-search-in-48h/). Help digg it up!

[Reprobate]

I'm the forum admin. And the forum site has been banned from Yahoo.

Somebody blogged my story (http://thoughtmechanics.com/2007/04/20/remove-your-enemies-from-yahoo-search-in-48h/). Help digg it up!

Well that makes it easier!

Be sure to lock the threads. If you haven't done so already.

[brandnewx]

Why lock the thread?

[Yfcadmin]

Lock for what ... that forum is owned by him and there is no problem in that. ??

[Rogem]

I got a feeling they might catch on and remove you heh :) Interesting mind, I might try it.

[brandnewx]

Sending bogus DMCA notification is illegal. But it's damn easy to fake one completely. Don't put your real name/address and snailmail it with fake return address. This is a serious loophole in the laws, read on.

I don't know why lawmakers allow unverified DMCA notification to carry a lot of power, even the power against freedom of expression, against the first constitutionally protected right. Unverified DMCA notification can force registrar, web host, and search engine to take down your website, blog and forum illegally and effectively. This little DMCA has violated the constitutional laws. I think we should hang the DMCA lawmakers.

Note that there is DMCA counter-notification available for you. You send it after you know you've got DMCA notification. But it is not for prevention. It is a plea begging your web host or search engine to revive your dead website back to life. It takes time roughly a month to process these counter-notice, and there you go, for every DMCA notification you recieved, you website is going down for a month for nothing. See how stupid DMCA law is?

[Yfcadmin]

Yeah .. send 12 DMCAs to anyone and you are down for an year :D ... wow what a great flaw ....

[brandnewx]

Ok buddies, I've some pieces of news:

1. My site is now officially in Yahoo again, after having unbanned since April 24. The counter notification works like a charm.

2. Some urls in question are still however banned in Google search. Google seems to process my counter notification partially, as they've unbanned 1 out of 3 urls.

3. To protect my adsense account, I've fully set up AdLogger to automatically ban the click bombers. When number of clicks exceeds the limit, they will not receive any ads to click on. One adsense rep has told me my account is in good standing, so nothing to worry about.

[axemedia]

Scorpion,

Have you sent any notice to the Broker he is using as an IB? I'm sure they would not want to be caught up in his scam.

[brandnewx]

I don't know why I don't want to attack back. Too much empathy I have. My forum mod is working [in a high position] at the broker, but I don't want to bother him. I gave Richard the bad guy a warning though that I would be in invasive position if he messes with me again. I swear I will f*ck back if he does.

[axemedia]

It's not just about messing with the bozo, it's about protecting the broker's clients from his scam.

[Kaabi]

I would never do that to anybody. I just think about all the work they've put into their site, and I don't do it.

[AffiliateD]

Thats nice of you to not wanna get this guy back, lol.

[brandnewx]

Oh yes he pursued his attacking now. He emailed me that he is going to make my website disappear from Google permanently. From his description:

"They will remove the page rank of your site and it will be banned. I am a master of the web and I know what they can do. You will be fucked again by me. Interbank loves me. I send them a ton of business. You are just some black asshole that sells his children to tourists. They will laugh just like I do."

I can sense that Google and Yahoo have a bunch of loopholes to harm any site you choose to. By what means? The bad guy would just do the blackhat seo for you. You don't know until your site got banned. And want to know what heck happened to it? Email Google or Yahoo. The best reply you would get: "Your website does not meet our site quality guidelines, period. Now f*ck off you spammer!"

It's obvious to me that Google and Yahoo will be a legacy some day. Their unjust punishment system will come around to haunt them.

[brandnewx]

Anyone want to write a book with me? "The Web Anarchist Cookbook"!

How to Ban Website From Google, Yahoo and All Other Search Engines.
How to Suspend Any Adsense or YPN Account In Less Than A Week.
How to Become Rich with MFA Websites And Laugh at Google Like An Idiot.
How to Scam Online And Get Away With It.
How to Use DMCA to Shut Up Free Speech.
How to Use DMCA to Take Down Ministry of Defence's Website.
How to Make Your Online Rivals Go Bankrupt.
And more...

Anyone knows why the original "The Anarchist Cookbook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook)" was written?

[Yfcadmin]

Yea sure I can help in that :D

Anyone want to write a book with me? "The Web Anarchist Cookbook"!

How to Ban Website From Google, Yahoo and All Other Search Engines.
How to Suspend Any Adsense or YPN Account In Less Than A Week.
How to Become Rich with MFA Websites And Laugh at Google Like An Idiot.
How to Scam Online And Get Away With It.
How to Use DMCA to Shut Up Free Speech.
How to Use DMCA to Take Down Ministry of Defence's Website.
How to Make Your Online Rivals Go Bankrupt.
And more...

Anyone knows why the original "The Anarchist Cookbook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_Cookbook)" was written?

[cnun]

please keep us update your story , brandnewx. you are the first one who get reinstate from google :)

[protrade]

This guy is a major psychopath. He send me death threats all of the time with pictures of American soldiers with their heads cut off and says he will do this to me. After the last one he sent, I kept it. Now he posts on his site that I am the one sending HIM death threats.

His name is Neo Lee and he is a Cambodian. He hates America and sends pictures like this to Americans. Anyone living in the United States would never send anything like that out of respect for our people. It is obvious who is sending whom the death threats.

Why you ask? He was distributing illegal copies of my software on his site. Yahoo agreed and so did Google and they took his site down. They are not stupid and they do not do this without review. Also I contacted Google Adwords about his fraud site which he owns and they cancelled the adwords account they had on his site. This basically screwed him. Now he has no revenue at all on his scam site called fxfisherman Take a look. He now has some crappy banners on his site which generate no revenue at all.

Avoid his site. He is a serious anti-American weirdo and is likely a pedophile. In camboida it is common to sell their children in to sex slavery. He certainly knows nothing about forex and is basically a freak. I hope all of you go to his site and post as many put downs as you can. God bless america and down with scam sites like fxfisherman




Apparently, my rival has successfully removed my site fxfisherman.com from yahoo search index by just reporting copyright infringement to yahoo. Obviously my site has nothing to do with copyright infringement. There is no pirated file, no illegal content, no link to illegal content, no torrent, no nothing. And yahoo is too stupid to follow the request without asking for court order, legal document, or anything to prove that there is copyright infringement case.

So I strongly encourage all of you to file a request with yahoo to remove all your rival websites. Yahoo will blindly remove them, in 48h. It's absolutely free! No string attached. Removal is GUARANTEED!!!

To remove your rivals, visit:


Or just drop an email with subject "remove rival.com" with blank body to copyright@yahoo-inc.com

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[Jackuul]

What the halibut?

This is a confusing, poorly written post - I can't figure out what he's saying except that he's a pervert?

[maari]

So are you going to retaliate?

[brandnewx]

Oh, poor Richard Henry is coming here. After all these fiascos I'm going through. He is claiming he is the victim. Hilarious!

What? I shared your files? Where? give me an url you know. The conquest thread is about due diligence. Everyone can read it. They're not stupid. The bogus DMCA you sent to Yahoo and Google includes links to my creation that doesn't even relate to your product in any way. And don't forget that you told me you're rich, so you could do sh*t to anyone you want to. C'mon, you're breaking the laws!

What? you contacted Google to ban my adsense account?! You clickbombed on the ads, everybody knows it. I've talked with Google team with your fraudclick activities. You should thanks them for not sueing you.

What? I hate Americans? My friends are Americans. Why do I hate them? I give power to Americans to moderate my forum. I hired an American female designer for my website. Many webmasters I do business with are Americans. Think you can just lie and people believe in you? The truth is you discriminate against poor Cambodians and African Americans themselves. Your emails tell the whole truth.

What? I sent you death threats? I warned you not to do harm to my site or I will shoot your sites down back. Look, I didn't even do any harm to you after all these childish activities you did to me. Right, you made a lot of enemies. My forum members got scammed by you. Many webmasters got their sites banned because of you. You deserve the the death threats from these people, you scammer!




This guy is a major psychopath. He send me death threats all of the time with pictures of American soldiers with their heads cut off and says he will do this to me. After the last one he sent, I kept it. Now he posts on his site that I am the one sending HIM death threats.

His name is Neo Lee and he is a Cambodian. He hates America and sends pictures like this to Americans. Anyone living in the United States would never send anything like that out of respect for our people. It is obvious who is sending whom the death threats.

Why you ask? He was distributing illegal copies of my software on his site. Yahoo agreed and so did Google and they took his site down. They are not stupid and they do not do this without review. Also I contacted Google Adwords about his fraud site which he owns and they cancelled the adwords account they had on his site. This basically screwed him. Now he has no revenue at all on his scam site called fxfisherman Take a look. He now has some crappy banners on his site which generate no revenue at all.

Avoid his site. He is a serious anti-American weirdo and is likely a pedophile. In camboida it is common to sell their children in to sex slavery. He certainly knows nothing about forex and is basically a freak. I hope all of you go to his site and post as many put downs as you can. God bless america and down with scam sites like fxfisherman

[brandnewx]

So are you going to retaliate?

Yes, I'm going to, baby. What goes around, MUST come around. What do you know, I'm talking with his broker to close his trading accounts. They will close his account, maybe at most in one week.

His websites will be down. He taught me good lessons to how to do just that, thanks richard.

He's currently advertising his product through adwords. I have an army of 6000 members at my forum. They love my forum. So asking them to search "conquest expert advisor" at google and click on the ads is easy. (Nah i never ask them to click on adsense, coz it'd be stupid. My account would be banned forever.)

[Jackuul]

Sounds like he's about to get roasted toasted and ghosted.

One day you will see when they will come for me, the boiling of the sea and then the moon shall bleed! -Dr. Steel

[Yfcadmin]

Sounds like the story of Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl

Richard is cursed :D

[brandnewx]

I don't see a real reason he comes here for. Lying about his lies? thinking he could wash off his dirty sins by doing so.

Richard, you cannot lie to yourself. You scammed people, insulted me and my forum members, sent fake DMCA notifications, and committed clickfraud on Google. The whole world knows about you that you're born in this world to do all the evilest works to good people. You discriminate against poor people in Cambodia and look down on African Americans that they are all child abusers. Yeah, you cannot lie yourself dude. You said it all in the emails you sent to me. What's the point of coming here to lie about your lies? You already know you did the dirty works. You have Alzheimer or something?


They will remove the page rank of your site and it will be banned. I am a master of the web and I know what they can do. You will be fucked again by me. Interbank loves me. I send them a ton of business. You are just some Cambodian asshole that sells his children to tourists. They will laugh just like I do


Yes I am king . Don't forget it. I can destroy you as easily as one email to google. I already have and I will do more. I have a lot of time living in my mansion


fuck off asshole. I am rich you are poor. I can do anything I want to you and you can do nothing. If I see any adwords on your site and I will contact google again and get them removed. You are powerless. I am king. don't forget it


You are now poor and destitute. Right where you should be. Maybe you can sell your kids to raise some money. I am shure som African tourists would fuck them


I have made a fortune on this. I will just continue to fuck you whenever I see any advertisers on your site.


More evil emails you don't want to read and I don't want to reread. It's extremely disturbing...

..

[Yfcadmin]

umm.... hey richard ... start again with a new name :D

[axemedia]

This guy is a major psychopath. He send me death threats all of the time with pictures of American soldiers with their heads cut off and says he will do this to me. After the last one he sent, I kept it. Now he posts on his site that I am the one sending HIM death threats.

His name is Neo Lee and he is a Cambodian. He hates America and sends pictures like this to Americans. Anyone living in the United States would never send anything like that out of respect for our people. It is obvious who is sending whom the death threats.

Why you ask? He was distributing illegal copies of my software on his site. Yahoo agreed and so did Google and they took his site down. They are not stupid and they do not do this without review. Also I contacted Google Adwords about his fraud site which he owns and they cancelled the adwords account they had on his site. This basically screwed him. Now he has no revenue at all on his scam site called fxfisherman Take a look. He now has some crappy banners on his site which generate no revenue at all.

Avoid his site. He is a serious anti-American weirdo and is likely a pedophile. In camboida it is common to sell their children in to sex slavery. He certainly knows nothing about forex and is basically a freak. I hope all of you go to his site and post as many put downs as you can. God bless america and down with scam sites like fxfisherman

Man your are an idiot. And anyone with half a brain can see right through your bullshit in a post like that.

And trying to play the 'respect for american soldiers' card and the bullshit racial card to support a worthless argument, and topping it off with a god bless america. You just plain suck!

[casperl]

Obviously, this is one of the most interesting threads i have read at DP :)

[axemedia]

I'm talking with his broker to close his trading accounts. They will close his account, maybe at most in one week.

Glad to here your talking to Interbank about it. Hope fully they will stop sharing pips for all the clients he sent, not just cut him off from sending new clients.


He's currently advertising his product through adwords.

If you can show his product is a scam, Adwords may close his account. But this may be difficult as the forex investment market is buyers beware territory.

[mistyweb]

Hi brandnewx, Sorry to hear about your troubles with that idiot and I'm glad to see you got your account back and relisted in yahoo.

[brandnewx]

Hey, relisted in yahoo already. ;)

[jazz7620]

How do you know who reports it?

[brandnewx]

A kind yahoo engineer offered to help me with a check on the matter. He mentioned that Yahoo had received a DMCA notification. Although he didn't mention any name, I knew who's the sender was because I'd got a blackmail from that person.

[jazz7620]

Do you have contact info (email ) of any one in Yahoo who can help investigate?
Please PM me the email if you can. Thanks a lot in advance.

[brandnewx]

I cannot provide you any contact info. I respect his privacy.

But anyway, i've seen a lot of Yahoo reps posting in DP forums. YahooPete and YahooSarah are active in posting, though I never talked with them.

[Yellowberry.org]

RUB3x yes thats true you need ALOT of proof. I had someone taking my pictures and i had to send in ALOT of things like proof, id card and other stuff for Google its not that easy. Even if you click on the report add they give you the same answer. I guess they dont have time to investgate all claims and in this way it looks 100 % good for them :)

[rodragon]

I have many information about Rich Henry (Alias), many mails,address, companies, other scam ¡¡¡

[larrylarr]

I wonder if Coca Cola hires people to do this sort of thing? Or if Kanye West has people to do this the same day his album comes out.

[tsukara]

Try to visit yahoo or search for any contact mail for yahoo.

[success-online]

I don't belive that this method can easily to do or get the expected result.

[blue_angel]

if it was so simple then.... the search engines soon will be out of sites.....lol

[netGH]

that's right. It's a nother false scare

[netGH]

This has to be one of the most illegal offers on DP Ive seen. Why is this allowed??

[Jackuul]

Are you batblind? This is not an offer, it is an explanation of what happened. Try using those soft fleshy things in your skull called eyes, and then connect those to that larger mushy gray and pink ball of flesh in your skull called a brain please.

[SEO_WatchDog]

Why don't you just report your competitor? He will go through the same!

[kingofsanda]

This is horrible I had no idea that someone's competitor could do this, yahoo needs to change
their policy.