google pagerank update in progress 4.07

[relaxzoolander]

google is updating the green-o-meter at the moment. :D

[GuyFromChicago]

Indeed. One of my new sites (2 - 3 weeks maybe) was PR0 yesterday, PR3 today.

For it's first PR update, I'm pretty pleased :)

[JazzyBen]

0 to 5 in one move... nice.

[digitalpoint]

Let the trolling begin! :)

Funny thing is I noticed a PR6 page this morning, that I *thought* was PR5. Guess I should pay more attention.

- Shawn

[compar]

Let the trolling begin! :)

Funny thing is I noticed a PR6 page this morning, that I *thought* was PR5. Guess I should pay more attention.

- Shawn

I know a Guy who has written a great keyword, link count and PR tracker. If you are interested I'll send you the URL :D

[compar]

BTW Several of my sites have made big moves. I had one site go from PR5 to PR6 and from 82 reported backlinks to 773.

[GuyFromChicago]

BTW Several of my sites have made big moves. I had one site go from PR5 to PR6 and from 82 reported backlinks to 773.

Good for you compar - it's always nice when things go the right way. 82 to 773...that's without a doubt the right way.

Sometimes PR updates remind me of surgery - just knock me out and wake me up when it's over...all the watching (up, down, more, less) drives me insane :D

[digitalpoint]

I know a Guy who has written a great keyword, link count and PR tracker. If you are interested I'll send you the URL :D

I was a little nervous about it since this is the first time an update is happening with the PageRank tracking. But seems to be fine. :)

- Shawn

[compar]

I ran it and it only found half of the sites that have seen increases. I assume it must be using a different server. Then I tried it again and ran over my API limit for the day. Damn!

Anybody got a spare API I can borrow for the evening?

[relaxzoolander]

Let the trolling begin! :)

Funny thing is I noticed a PR6 page this morning, that I *thought* was PR5. Guess I should pay more attention.

- Shawn
yes...the teenie weenie green bar can play tricks on your eyes.
especially when you mind is yearning for the higher number.
5 or 6?.....oh i think its a 6....did i just see a 6?......that had to be a 6...i will get out my pixel-o-meter and measure it to make sure....lets see....32 green pixels....27 white pixels.....hmmmmm...... :eek:

[tsptom]

BTW Several of my sites have made big moves. I had one site go from PR5 to PR6 and from 82 reported backlinks to 773.

Is there a thread somewhere explaining backlinks and how to establish them?

Thanks!

[compar]

I'm not sure how basic an explanation you want, but here goes.

1. A backlink is what Google calls a link from another web site to your web site. The other more generic name is inbound links, sometimes abbreviated as IBL.

2. For reporting purposed Google only reports back links with a PR -- PageRank -- value of 4 or more. You can download the Google toolbar to get all this information or you can search in Google with this search to get the number of backlinks Google reports. 'link:www.yourdomain.com'

3. The most common way to get backlink to your site is to agree to exchange links with another site or webmaster. In other words you put a link on your web page that points at my site and I do the same with one pointing to your site. This is known as reciprocal linking.

4. I mention PageRank or PR above. This is a mathematical calculation Google does for each page that has any backlinks point to it. Essentially if I have a PR5 rating on my page, and have a link to you, you get some mathematical value, which is in simplest terms my PR5 divided by the total number of outbound links from my page.

5. The other issue with backlinks, and one that most of us now believe is more important than PR, is what Google judges the relevance of the link to be. As far as we know Google uses the anchor text that is used with the link to judge relevance. So you always want your most important keywords to be used as the anchor text with any backlink.

6. Anchor text is the actual highlighted underlined text that can be clicked on. In the old days this was normally "click here", but today that is considered a complete waste of the backlink, as it doesn't tell Google anything about what the link is about, or relevant to.

That's backlinks in a 1000 words or less. I hope that helps.

[tsptom]

That was great, thanks! So how did you get your reported backlinks up so quickly? Through reciprocal linking with other sites? Do you just email webmasters and ask if they want to exchange links?

Thanks again.

[hulkster]

Yea, some definite movement today - so far, mostly upward (although not a lot) for me, so I can't complain.

Back links are kinda interesting - if you want to see a "machine", put Shawn's website (http://www.digitalpoint.com/) URL (I assume Shawn doesn't mind) in the tracker - he rocks! ;-)

alek

P.S. Shawn: Something seems a bit amiss with the historical info on the back link tracking - I'm only see data going back to yesterday, but I've had it up for longer than that - maybe I'm doing something stupid, but just a heads-up in case a burp in the system.

[GuyFromChicago]

Indeed. One of my new sites (2 - 3 weeks maybe) was PR0 yesterday, PR3 today.

For it's first PR update, I'm pretty pleased :)

This same site is reporting 19 new backlinks so far too. Nice!

[compar]

That was great, thanks! So how did you get your reported backlinks up so quickly? Through reciprocal linking with other sites? Do you just email webmasters and ask if they want to exchange links?

Thanks again.

Well there are some professional secrets involved. But it is a site that I have been hired to do SEO work for.

The one thing I will tell you is that internal links also count in the backlink total, and one of the things I did was improve their onsite navigation and linking structure, so a lot of those new links are form their own site. It is a fairly large site, about 900 pages.

As soon as you get the navigation working and right the site can generate a lot of it's own PR.

[digitalpoint]

Yea, some definite movement today - so far, mostly upward (although not a lot) for me, so I can't complain.

Back links are kinda interesting - if you want to see a "machine", put Shawn's website (http://www.digitalpoint.com/) URL (I assume Shawn doesn't mind) in the tracker - he rocks! ;-)

alek

P.S. Shawn: Something seems a bit amiss with the historical info on the back link tracking - I'm only see data going back to yesterday, but I've had it up for longer than that - maybe I'm doing something stupid, but just a heads-up in case a burp in the system.

Have you been tracking it more than one day?

- Shawn

[hulkster]

Have you been tracking it more than one day?

- Shawn

I'm pretty certain I put your URL in at least several days ago - shortly after you announced the PR feature. A number of the other URL's have been there for quite some time - my login name is "alek" if you want to look yourself (as administrator, I assume you don't need the password. I also have a daily wget that looks like this:
wget 'http://alek:PASSWORD@www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/?action=lookupall'

I assumed that also did the back links/PR stuff too (similar to Check All, which I hit infrequently), so maybe I'm yet-another-dummy who can't read the FAQ, although it seems to imply this should work as I think it does(?)

I.e. most of the URL's on the keyword page have been around for a while and there is lots of data when you hit the chart button (and downward arrow) ... whereas it is really scarce on the backlink stuff.

alek

[digitalpoint]

Okay, took a peek... now I know what you are talking about. It's normal... the date of the most recent back link data record rolls forward until back links change. Otherwise the most recent date would always be the last back link update change date. So the data from today will keep rolling forward until it changes again.

- Shawn

[Foxy]

I'm seeing backlinks increase all over which is in line with everybody else but I am seeing some discrepancies as well with some links that I would only attribute to one domain deing"carried over" into others

eg the back links from here.....yes!!!! here!!! which should go back to the one address seem to be being linked back to wherever I have the inward links :confused:


EDIT:

I've just realised why those backlinks show up - I changed my signature to include them!!!! :o

[Cricket]

Google has been so good to all of us lately that I keep looking over my shoulder, waiting for the other shoe to fall...

The update looks good. (knockin' on wood)

[Foxy]

Hi ya cricket

Nice to see ya :)

[ephricon]

Anybody know how long it generally takes before all sites have been updated??? I have a new one that went from 0 to 4 and another new one that unfortunately had been at 2 and still is at 2...

Also moved a 3 to a 5 and a two 4s to 5's :) :) :)

[ephricon]

hot dog! just checked another and moved it from 5 to 6!!!! woohoo!!!!

[hulkster]

Okay, took a peek... now I know what you are talking about. It's normal... the date of the most recent back link data record rolls forward until back links change. Otherwise the most recent date would always be the last back link update change date. So the data from today will keep rolling forward until it changes again.

- Shawn

Got it - I guess I was confused because the keyword data appears to be handled/stored differently than the backlink data - i.e. clicking on the bottom arrow shows data for every day (even "same" data) whereas on the backlink stuff, it looks you optimize the storage as you state above.

Thanx for the clarification,
alek

[Cricket]

Hi ya cricket

Nice to see ya :)
Great to see you too! I've been lurking since the forum opened, so figured it was about time I join in with y'all!

[compar]

Google has been so good to all of us lately that I keep looking over my shoulder, waiting for the other shoe to fall...

The update looks good. (knockin' on wood)

Hi Cricket. Did you follow my orkut suggestion to check this forum out or did you find it some other way?

In any case welcome. I think you'll enjoy this forum.

Back to Google. I think they had some problem with their last update. If you remember it was forever in coming and then some of the results were very strange. Take my company web site which has been very stable for several years. It has always had just over 500 backlinks. On the update of a few weeks ago this was dropped in half to 226.

There was no way that was accurate. So I think Google has finally fixed their problem -- my comany site is back up to 522 backlinks. I don't see any reason to expect them to change this update. I think they have finally gotten it right.

[italian-faga]

hallo boys & girls!
today my pr encrease from 5 to 6
and lots of becklinks too!
ready for the serps update now!

[Cricket]

Hi Cricket. Did you follow my orkut suggestion to check this forum out or did you find it some other way?
Actually I have been watching Shawn's work for quite some time, first came across his site through another forum. I've have learned quite a bit from him. I watched the forum here since it opened, but just been lurking and reading.

Great to see ya!

[Foxy]

Good stuff

I should have told you sooner - sorry

Anyway - there is a lot of interesting thoughtful comment here

Back to the subject - compar I hope your right that they are back on track as I have at times been tearing my hair out [that what is left I might add].

Last May we lost most of our links [between our sites] and were concerned because we could not work out the reasons - but now I am seeing [after changing the text on the links] all returning plus those that I have worked on in between so I am achieving 30 to 40 links on each which, if McDars tool is correct about the opposition and will re-establish our stability.

I do hope so!

[LEDgirl]

Backlinks did drop from 194 to 69. My PR 6 remained the same when I check the "little green bar" however in the "Keyword & Backlink Tracker" I am back down to a PR 5. Not sure where it is going to settle. Most of the backlinks that I lost were internal and a few whose PR dropped below 4.

Because I currently have so few back links I thought I would analyze them based on the relevance of the sites that are linking to me.

19 High Relevance - 2=PR6, 5=PR5, 11=PR4, 1=PR2
4 Moderate Relevance - 1=PR5, 3=PR4
3 Low Relevance - 2-PR6, 1=PR5
2 No Relevance - 1=PR4, 1=PR3
40 Internal Links- 4=PR5, 8=PR4, 27=PR3, 1=PR0
1 Google Directory - 1=PR5
1 Yahoo Directory - 1=PR4

Interesting...

[ViciousSummer]

That was great, thanks! So how did you get your reported backlinks up so quickly? Through reciprocal linking with other sites? Do you just email webmasters and ask if they want to exchange links?

Thanks again.

I just went from 1 to 49 reported links, and 90% of those links are from this forum (So, you will also get links from this forum since you have a link to your site in your signature
;) ).

[marcovolpe]

hotel.riccione.rimini.it

domain registered 20040304
yesterday PR 7/10

Y E A H !!!!

[tsptom]

I just went from 1 to 49 reported links, and 90% of those links are from this forum (So, you will also get links from this forum since you have a link to your site in your signature
;) ).

Thanks VS. I noticed when I search on tsptalk some of these links show up. So if any of my site's members search, all they will find is that I don't know what I'm doing ;)

Someone mentioned "hacks" to help with message board page rankings. How does that work? Thanks again!

[tsptom]

I just went from 1 to 49 reported links, and 90% of those links are from this forum (So, you will also get links from this forum since you have a link to your site in your signature
;) ).
How long does it take for these backlinks to show up in the backlink tracker? I know I have some now but the tracker still shows 0.

TY

[digitalpoint]

Google doesn't show them publicly... They will show up as soon as Google reports them:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link:www.tsptalk.com

- Shawn

[renoir]

Google is very particular about links from forums - and generally removes them. PHPbb, vbulletin et al normaly do not get indexed for precisely this reason. Its possible that since this is a nonstandard board it has not fallen under their filter.

I just went from 1 to 49 reported links, and 90% of those links are from this forum (So, you will also get links from this forum since you have a link to your site in your signature
;) ).

[digitalpoint]

phpBB.com and vbulletin.com are both indexed by Google fully (including their forum sections).

- Shawn

[renoir]

phpBB.com and vbulletin.com are both indexed by Google fully (including their forum sections).

- Shawn

Nope. try searching for specific text in this page http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=3057

[digitalpoint]

Well, I can't speak specifically for an individual page, but that forum is being indexed properly by Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=allinurl:www.cre8asiteforums.com+site:www.cre8asiteforums.com

In fact, that page itself is indexed:

http://www.google.com/search?q=allinurl:www.cre8asiteforums.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft=3057

And a specific query for some keywords it has shows it in the results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=Site+Planning+Preparation+foundation&btnG=Search

- Shawn

[0BroadProspect]

is the forum software spirdered as is out of the box or you needed to do some twicking ?
/BP

[digitalpoint]

phpbb you need to hack to get spidered properly. vbulletin (which is what we use) is spiderable out of the box.

- Shawn

[Foxy]

Do you have the hack for phpbb Shawn?

If you do Pretty Please

[digitalpoint]

I hacked an old phpbb board, but everything I did related to phpbb has long been tossed since I moved to vbulletin. :)

- Shawn

[Foxy]

Thanks anyway

By the By why do you find vbulletin better? :)

[digitalpoint]

You serious or kidding?

- Shawn

[Foxy]

Kidding :D

[tsptom]

I use wowbb for my message board. I hadn't really heard a lot about vbulletin when I made my decision. They both seem pretty good with each having their advantages and disadvantages. Just something else to consider for anyone looking to add a forum.

[rwhetsto]

Foxyweb, Check out http://www.phpbbhacks.com/ for all the hacks your little heart could desire. The SEO optimization hack that Shawn is refering to (I think) is on this page:
http://www.phpbbhacks.com/viewhack.php?id=2040
It is a fairly easy mod.

[Foxy]

Thanks rhwesto

PS You don't know a weather rss feed do you? :)

[tsptom]

Google doesn't show them publicly... They will show up as soon as Google reports them:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link:

- Shawn
Do we have a ballpark idea of how long it takes for backlinks to show up in Google and/or the backlink tracker?

Tom

[digitalpoint]

Probably tomorrow (or so). Just depends on when the update is finished.

- Shawn

[schlottke]

I've seen the PR on the toolbar switching back and forth already without having edited the host file.

[GuyFromChicago]

Do we have a ballpark idea of how long it takes for backlinks to show up in Google and/or the backlink tracker?

Tom

I've seen updates cause "funkiness" for 3 - 5 days. Links, then no links. Links, then no links...it's a vicous cycle

[hulkster]

Most importantly, is www.digitalpoint.com going to hit PR8?!? ;-)

alek

[digitalpoint]

No... :)

- Shawn