Backlink Update

[nacho45]

Looks like my backlinks just get updated. I checked using McDar's datacenter tool.

[hergo]

Same here.

[chachi]

yeah, I see some activity on there too. Crazy what they are showing. Pretty funny.

[Smyrl]

Seems all of mine are down except for three sites. Basically my sites should have been relatively stable. Did not start working on links again until the 26th.

Shannon

[dfsweb]

Same. My back links have gone up but it's still not showing a few PR5 links that I got over the last month. Hopefully G's gonna pick these up later today .... I can sense an update coming up! :) I say, sometime this week .....

[rickbender1940]

66.102.9.99 is showing updated backlinks for me too

[DarrenC]

Yup BL's increased these are just sites with PR0-3 the big PR5,6 and 7's that I've had acquired over the last 3 months are still not to be seen.

I'm also doubtful that we'll see a PR increase to internal pages.

[msaad]

Oh Yes! I got a 100% increase in backlinks! I love Google! :)

[schlottke]

msaad, shouldnt you love yourself - google just found them, you got them..

[schlottke]

Have people seen PR updates then, yeah?

[hulkster]

Looks like a directory update also ... and based on the width of the PR bars, it looks like even with 6,000+ back links (WOW!), www.digitalpoint.com is still PR7 ... that's gotta be like a 7.9!

[schlottke]

I havent seen any PR updates yet, it could easily be an 8 now.

[dfsweb]

Nope. No change in PR as yet, but a bit of action for back links no doubt. G's only picked up my links off the pages with low PR, and hasn't picked up the links off the pages with higher PR. :eek: But, I suppose this will happen soon (hopefully)

[Will.Spencer]

No PR yet on pages which I put online on 10 July.

I am seeing backlink updates.

[msaad]

No... No PR update yet... and it looks like it is going to take a while.. may be never!!

[ZanderXML]

Looks like a directory update also ... and based on the width of the PR bars, it looks like even with 6,000+ back links (WOW!), www.digitalpoint.com is still PR7 ... that's gotta be like a 7.9!

Dreamer! ;) Look at my PR6 site: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=link%3Awww.bdbd.ru&lr=

May be it will be PR9 like CNN? ;)

[Redleg]

From 1600+ to 917, and now down to 863???
What's going on google?

I know I've got several houndreds more backlinks the last couple of months..

And I can't find a single site on the backlinks list that's from the Coop Ad network..

[leo]

Yes, BL update has been done. KW rankings have not changed much, though. Seems as if that had happened already over the past days.

[l234244]

New site 3 months old shows updated backlinks but no PR change - good jump in serps though

[Lever]

Hmmm... for my personal project +1 backlink, for my employer's site +29
For the next month I'm going to spend more time looking after 'number 1' rather than helping make someone else rich ;)

[john_loch]

Well, one of my sites just saw a jump from 5,500 to 9,400+ backlinks. I've seen quite a few in the mix that could only possibly have originated from the coop ad network. So I daresay, the coop is now paying off.

Cheers,

JL.

[Weirfire]

What are you using to check backlinks? I haven't noticed any change in any of my sites for back links. I've been using DP's tool. I have noticed a huge flux in the SERPs though.

[etreus]

... G's only picked up my links off the pages with low PR, and hasn't picked up the links off the pages with higher PR.
Google is showing only low PR links since last update weeks ago, in my websites. This update is the same but reduced the number of BL.

I don't believe the info it is giving on BL is faithful, and those high PR value BL are still there, even without showing. At least, I hope so.

[Trance-formation]

What are you using to check backlinks? I haven't noticed any change in any of my sites for back links. I've been using DP's tool. I have noticed a huge flux in the SERPs though.

I have no change either, though keyword ranking is bouncing wildly on a daily basis like a ping pong ball for days now

[Weirfire]

Yes. I'm getting the same with the keywords. I tried typing link:www.weirfire.co.uk and it says 75 backlinks as opposed to the 57 backlinks I'm supposed to have according to DP's tool.

Tell me if you get anything different with link command.

[Trance-formation]

Tell me if you get anything different with link command.

30 with link and 10 with DP

[fluke]

goddammit - my IBLs have now gone down to 18! (and half of those are internal!)- i know i've got at least a 100 i wish they'd stop doing this! - i thought more backlinks were supposed to be added every update not taken away! im just glad this isn't representative of what googles counting.
first they broke it and now they broke it even more!- why don't they just remove it - or is it too much fun to watch all us lot try and figure it out.

[vlead]

I checked today and backlinks for my websites have increased considerably. Waiting anxiously for the PR update.

[Weirfire]

My backlinks have now updated on the DP tool.

3 backlink updates and no PR update. It must be coming soon!!

[fluke]

hmm my DP tracker still shows 28

[Lever]

...3 backlink updates and no PR update. It must be coming soon!!I can just imagine some joker up at Big G towers sitting with his finger hovering over the button, chuckling gleefully to himself...

[Weirfire]

What happens when you type link:www.yoursite.com on Google?

is it any different? Maybe you have just kept the same number of backlinks?

[nadlay]

I'm showing useful increases in all my sites, but I just wish that Google would show everything.

[Weirfire]

I can just imagine some joker up at Big G towers sitting with his finger hovering over the button, chuckling gleefully to himself...

As people have said before though the only advantage of the PR update is so you can advertise the fact you have a PR of whatever. It makes no difference to the SERPs as they are updated all the time.

[Redleg]

The update is still going on here..

Dropped to 863 (from 917), but up by two to 865 now..
More please... :D

[msaad]

I checked today and backlinks for my websites have increased considerably. Waiting anxiously for the PR update.

Don't hold your breath! You could be waiting forever! :)
Looks like the next update will take some time! some people believe it will never happen! :(

[etreus]

In what way does the DP Tracker differ from what Google gives you with the "Backward Link" of the tool bar?

In other words, where does the DP tracker gets the data from?

[etreus]

The DP tracker gives me the same amount of links that I had yesterday before the beginning update.

Still it doesn't show higher than 4 PR links, that I am sure I have. Google Toolbar doesn't show them either.

ODP and Google Directory, for example, are not shown in either case, so since they exist, I assume that the backlink data in either case is not accurate.

It is only certain that there is an update going on, that could be real or just cosmetic.

[Spyware Remover]

There is some scuttlebut flying around that google is purposely not showing a lot of the backlink info anymore or at the very least, doing so very very slowly.

Many SEO's are using yahoo to quickly determine backlinks accurately.

My personal experience shows yahoo updating every 24-48 hours.

AJ

[etreus]

Yahoo shows all or almost all my backlinks accurately. The point would be to know which are Google considering, and which are not taken into account.

[janecompersnews]

Backlinks up for me too :D

Jane

[Help Desk]

The differences between Google and DP's tools is probably data center differences. They should all be in tune by later today or tomorrow.

Secondly Google most likely does not update backlinks every day or two because doing so makes it harder to figure out their algorithms. This may be something for them to think about since Yahoo is now doing so.

[Percept]

BL's down fdrom 700 something to 424 ...
I've noticed for my website that since 2 BL's updates ago, Google doesn't seem to show directories anymore, I know someone told me they still see them but I still think this is strange cause I'm in a lot of directories.

Could it be Google is trying to hide directories as much as possible so people don't know where to get easy and good backlinks ?

[Percept]

btw the "backlinks tracer" in my sig can be found 23times searching on "7962154zz8x" but the links don't show up with the "links:" command.

[l0cke]

btw the "backlinks tracer" in my sig can be found 23times searching on "7962154zz8x" but the links don't show up with the "links:" command.It does not show up with the link: command because it is not a link ;).

[Percept]

It does not show up with the links: command because it is not a link ;).

Did you notice the links above that line ? If they indexed my random string they have indexed the sig-links aswel. The BL's seems to be higher PR pages again though, that would explain why they don't show up.

[ResaleBroker]

I lost ALL of the few (43) backlinks that were showing in Google. My minimal PR went with it. I am now at PR 0. :(

[Lever]

As people have said before though the only advantage of the PR update is so you can advertise the fact you have a PR of whatever.LOL Not for the modest Lever, Weirfire; if he was going to do that he'd have put the "Bogus Web Award" button on his site all those years ago to show he was a 'winner' :D

[TLDTrader.com]

BL's down fdrom 700 something to 424 ...
I've noticed for my website that since 2 BL's updates ago, Google doesn't seem to show directories anymore, I know someone told me they still see them but I still think this is strange cause I'm in a lot of directories.

Could it be Google is trying to hide directories as much as possible so people don't know where to get easy and good backlinks ?

I don't think so. I have a site that has only 13 links showing up previously. Secured a sitewide link exchange with a directory and now showing 300+ IBLs.

Still a PR6 but improved to #8 for allinanchor.

BTW, the Mcdar tool is also showing huge increases in backlinks for Yahoo. This if for the same site with the addition of the directory pages, 1,500+ pages.

[GuyFromChicago]

All of my sites are still holding. I'll have to watch over the next day or so and see if I get any movement. Just about every site I have should see an increase in links…I've been working my as* off in terms of link building.

[etreus]

Could it be Google is trying to hide directories as much as possible so people don't know where to get easy and good backlinks ?

I have no doubt this is happening, since the last BL update weeks ago.

No good PR websites are showing, and it is significant that on one of my websites I get 50 poor BL at Google and 500 at Yahoo.

Google is not showing all what they have as BL information, and wouldn't be surprised if they take BL and PR information away, for good.

[GuyFromChicago]

Google is not showing all what they have as BL information, and wouldn't be surprised if they take BL and PR information away, for good.

What would be the point behind them removing the ability for webmasters to see backlinks?

[etreus]

Chicago, I don't see the point in Google showing so few BL, other than preventing webmasters copy what their competition is doing.

If G continue as it is now, they will be showing a disadvantage as in:

...I get 50 poor BL at Google and 500 at Yahoo."

Either they go back to showing all or most BL, or they will take that feature away.

Google will not stand for being less or second to any other SE in any of their results, BL included.

Backlinks is what the game is about and they invented it.

[PR Weaver]

I think that Google continues to update the PR but for any reason he/she (?) doesn't want to show us anymore.

I wrote an article about that here: New Google Dance but still no PageRank update (http://www.prweaver.com/prweaver.html#00000FU003com/blog/2004/08/31/5-google-dance)
Feel free to comment it ;-)

Best,
PR Weaver

[etreus]

Interesting!

[etreus]

That green PR bar is very important to get link partners. I have seen that some don't accept, say, under 4 PR websites pages.

If Google showed us the real PR value of pages, webmasters will target those high PR websites easily, stubbornly and paying large amounts for very high PR links.

This will give some websites offering links, a lot of power, and create an "artificial" importance to some websites outside G's control. This could probably be the reason why Google is not showing real PR and Backlink values.

I believe that Google wants, in a way to stop the PR race somehow.

[rbucich]

my backlinks have been cut by 3/4, no PR yet (newish site) and yes, keywords fluctuating wildly.

The link: command shows the same as the DR tool for backlinks
although I know both are currently incorrect.

Rick

[carowan]

my backlinks have increased, but my site hasn't been spidered lately. I wonder if one has to do with another.

[mxlabs]

I lost a few backlinks here and there and especially lost some backlinks from high PR directories... just wondering if Google ever bothers to update PR again, not that it matters a lot but I want to see some green bars after all these months

[rbucich]

I just dowloaded the PR Weaver tool.

I have checked in Google Directory and I have a PR 22/40. So why would I still have a PR 0 for the web search. As I understand it, the PR Weaver tool should be accurate. And yes, my site has been spidered.

Thanks for your thoughts!
Rick

[chachi]

Rick, the toolbar has not been updated for about 2 months now. The toolbar shows the PR of pages from the last toolbar PR update.

[PR Weaver]

Hi Rick,

Thank you for sharing information about your tests. Could you tell me which site did you test?
We have decided to make PR Weaver compliant with Google TOS, so we are not using the "cracked" algorithm for retrieving the PR. PR Weaver is based on Google API and uses its own method for retrieving the PageRank.
In fact, you should find the same results in Google and in PR Weaver, but using such a tool makes you save a lot of time :)

About Google Directory: you may have noticed that Google has updated the Google Directory PR but still not the Google Toolbar PR (http://www.prweaver.com/prweaver.html#00000FU003com/blog/2004/08/31/5-google-dance). Unless Google updates the Google Toolbar PR, you should test the PR in the Directory (only for the sites indexed there, of course).

Feel free to comment about this and to give me more details about your tests.
Best,

PR Weaver

[rbucich]

The site I tested was bucich.net, It has relatively new and has been spidwered but has never has had PR as long as I can tell.

I only recently was added to DMOZ.

Google used to recognize 13 backlinks, although there are more. As of yesterday, it had drop to 5 and some of those were internal.

Thanks!

[ResaleBroker]

Any ideas on why backlinks are dropping so much?

[GuyFromChicago]

Any ideas on why backlinks are dropping so much?

Mine have increased on all but one site.

[ResaleBroker]

It sounds like backlinks are all over the boards. Many have increased and many have decreased.

Any ideas on what is going on?

[hulkster]

www.komar.org went from 240 to 281 ... so I'm not complaining ...

[GuyFromChicago]

It sounds like backlinks are all over the boards. Many have increased and many have decreased.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I haven't seen any consistencies (all forum sig links dropped, directories not reported, themed linking, etc) in links coming or going. The one site where I did lose a couple of links I hadn't really planned on, but it was a minor drop (15 - 20 links out of 1000+).

I went through my reported links pretty thoroughly looking for some sort of pattern…couldn't come up with one :(

[minstrel]

I agree, GFC -- no discernible "pattern" -- nothing remarkable in terms of any shifts in ranking either. Just a "normal" minor Google update...

[fluke]

seeing as this is the second BL update that has followed this pattern (or lack of pattern)- i'd have to agree with those who say it is to confuse SEO's - although as has been said it will probably only confuse the amateur/new "SEO" (not that i'm an old hand by a long shot). I think that google sees some danger in this area - if every webmaster learned how to optimise their sites - Googles results and ultimately google would become virtually worthless.