These Rotten Gas Prices!!

[reciprocal_link]

Well for the first I should say I'm glad that I didn't vote for bush and voted for John Kerry.. I'm sure if John Kerry was in power that our prices of gas and goods etc. wouldn't be so high and our nation would be doing very well as a economic from large to the small independent business owner... I was taking a look at the number of factories here in Minnesota and there has been a drastic decline. I had some relatives up from IL and they told me that almost 50% of the factories have closed down..
I really feel that as a whole we all need to do are part to get Bush and Dick Cheney out of power. These gas prices are totally ridicules. I wish the independent truckers would do what the truckers did back in 1974... They drove their rig until it ran out of gas and parked it on the side of the road. Others went to gas stations and kept honking their horns as a way of showing HEY We'Re tired of paying your high gas prices.. This went on for almost a week. Some went on strike, and quite driving all together. Some jack knifed their rigs on the interstates as a way saying HEY We'Re tired of paying your high gas prices.. I even recall that getting fresh milk, produce was about impossible and the only thing a person could really get out of the grocery store was can goods.. The price of gas went right down and things went back as usual. But it took the independent truckers to do something about it.

So for all that read this, I ask you to think about how this is effecting your pocket book and your family...

[yfs1]

Thats a pretty big assumption that if John Kerry was president gas would be cheap and everyone would have jobs. Since the war was already in full swing (remember he would have done the same thing, as he stated during his campaign, just "different" - whatever that means), there isn't much John Kerry would of done except a complete withdrawal. That wouldn't mean lower gas prices.

John Kerry didn't get elected because he didn't stand for anything. He only came as close as he did because the two choices seemed to be Pro Bush, or Anti Bush - no Pro John Kerry.

I think there should be protests over high gas prices as I believe there are a lot of reasons for the current crisis, most of them having nothing to do with war. But to say John Kerry would have fixed all problems just because he "wasn't Bush" shows you don't know a whole lot about politicians.

I can think of 2 or 3 people I would have loved to see in office but none of them are John Kerry

[reciprocal_link]

Well, I didn't plan on this being a Debate.. I was just pointing out that w/ all the faults that bush has done and that are economic has drastically declined.. COME ON PLZ.. These darn loyalists and this so called war in Iraq.. Its not a war over in iraq.. Its just another way bush could use to put money in his back pocket and SCREW the american people more.

[yfs1]

Well, political threads are usually a debate here. Its what many people love about this forum as as heated as they get it isn't personal.

If you were looking to just make a unchallenged statement that should be viewed as a fact, this probably isn't the forum ;)

[leeds1]

you want to be in the UK where the government add 67% tax to fuel

we're on something like $7 a gallon over here

count yourselves lucky :)

[mcfox]

... economic has drastically declined.. COME ON PLZ..
People with a decent income and a steady job tend not to join the military.
These darn loyalists and this so called war in Iraq.. Its not a war over in iraq..
No, it's a war over securing oil supplies from the middle east. The world's major producers of crude oil are mostly centered around the middle east, certainly the most influential ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

[sachin410]

you want to be in the UK where the government add 67% tax to fuel

we're on something like $7 a gallon over here

count yourselves lucky :)


The Oxford Dictionary has a "Weights and Measures " page at the end.

It says 1 American gallon is 3.785 Litres
and 1 British gallon is 4.546 Litres.

Which one are you refering to?

[yfs1]

In Ireland it is about €1.10 per liter

THis would mean $1.35 per liter putting what we pay at about $5.10 per US Gallon. Petrol Prices in the UK (especially London) are usually higher so he most likely means US Gallons ;)

[blinxdk]

$6.3 for 1 US gallon here in Denmark. But that isn't so much a problem because we also have a 180% tax on vehicles so I can't afford a car anyway. Paid almost $10.000 for my 1994 Yamaha FZR600R.

[mizt]

You guys think gas prices int he United States are high now. Wait until this hurrincane hits. Last on that didn't even hit New Orleans (major oil/gas port) left me without gas for 2 weeks. Not only will this hurricane be catostraphic (sp?) (new thread, would of any you guys be interested in going down there for labor day weekend plus a few days to help start with the clean up?) to the city of New Orleans but to gas prices in our part of the region. I'm going to go gas up now and maybe start a site fillmygastank.com :p

[ferret77]

Hurricane just passed here

http://www.keystravel.info/hurricane/h014.jpg

http://www.keystravel.info/hurricane/h040.jpg

[Arnie]

For those who can't actively help, pray for those in that region. I just read the news about it, and that what's coming up on Monday some time around 5.00 - 8.00am is not nice.

[webstop]

I believe the gas prices won't fall before 2008. The sucker bush is closely related to oil circle, how will he let go this gold mine?

[isaiasd2003]

Well for the first I should say I'm glad that I didn't vote for bush and voted for John Kerry.. I'm sure if John Kerry was in power that our prices of gas and goods etc. wouldn't be so high and our nation would be doing very well as a economic from large to the small independent business owner... I was taking a look at the number of factories here in Minnesota and there has been a drastic decline. I had some relatives up from IL and they told me that almost 50% of the factories have closed down..
I really feel that as a whole we all need to do are part to get Bush and Dick Cheney out of power. These gas prices are totally ridicules. I wish the independent truckers would do what the truckers did back in 1974... They drove their rig until it ran out of gas and parked it on the side of the road. Others went to gas stations and kept honking their horns as a way of showing HEY We'Re tired of paying your high gas prices.. This went on for almost a week. Some went on strike, and quite driving all together. Some jack knifed their rigs on the interstates as a way saying HEY We'Re tired of paying your high gas prices.. I even recall that getting fresh milk, produce was about impossible and the only thing a person could really get out of the grocery store was can goods.. The price of gas went right down and things went back as usual. But it took the independent truckers to do something about it.

So for all that read this, I ask you to think about how this is effecting your pocket book and your family...
with John Kerry, economy,etc good, then sudden flip flop to market crash! lol :D
as for the factories closing down, u can mostly blame the powerful china nation for that, they work people of all ages kids and up hard on everything, and pay them crap, thus giving us a savings, and you can now look at just about anything hardware, etc! ANYTHING and you'll see it say made in china, made in india, business buys out of US cause its less, and cause americans want it less. So we've got a bigger problem on our hands than just a Presidency. You see now of days even other countries have joined the china band wagon and sold stuff for extremely low prices while employees in these other countries get pennies to work on. -As far as what Kerry said, he explained in the many televised shows about how he would use some government spending (after filtering all the yaking) to encourage factories, and businesses in general to keep the workers, and not go overseas. Now you see most corp. owners have already been overseas for a long time, its the factories that have joined in on the idea, since it cost less to product in other countries. The real question economy wise is, where does the final amount of dollars lye in the end of the process, in most cases for corps. it ends up gaining huge profits and they fire or lay off U.S. workers just because they want more money. As for the factories, well I've heard from many managers of factories that they would of shut down either way, because of the alarming increases in prices on stuff they needed, can't remember if it had anything to do with gas, but it was for sure more than just one thing, were beginning to compete with the world, just as webmaster compete to be 1st on Search Engines , eh dunno how to feel about it, though things need to be evened out so we all get a better fair share or others economy will bust in poverty, while some will skyrocket. :confused: :( Just thing, all the while we believed in earning more while others earned very little, and now their earning more(their country earns more in total after all the pennies paid out, as for the people inside the country, they get crap) as we earn less or nothing(meaning lose job). I stick pretty close to this stuff. cspan rules :D

[isaiasd2003]

Hurricane just passed here

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MY GOD MAN! What a hurricane! Were you anywhere near the devistation?

[QUOTE=webstop]I believe the gas prices won't fall before 2008. The sucker bush is closely related to oil circle, how will he let go this gold mine? That is a good point you have webstop. I'd look closer toward Cheny and the money trail, but thats still a very good point :D.

[ferret77]

hurricane katrina

[reciprocal_link]

Yes I was def. refering to the USA. Actually I woudn't really think anyone from over seas would have any input about the president over here. but hey I guess I was wrong.

[reciprocal_link]

My prayers go out to those victoms of hurricane katrina.. Could you imagine losing everything? I couldn't.. Thats why I wouldn't even risk living in a area that could be hit by a hurricane... Or live in a area that is tornado alley.

[wanboll]

LOL Debate it is.

Were paying almost £1 a litre over here in the UK. That is disgusting i think and i would totaly support another petrol boycott like we had a few years ago.

For anybody who does not know the magority were truck drivers who blocked all the routes the tankers were taking almost bringing Britain to a standstill. There were qeus stretching right down the street for petrol and then when you got to the pump you was only allowed £10 worth.

It did seem to make a bit of a difference to start with but then people soon forgot.

I think petty prices were about £0.76p a litre then and even after the "petrol crisis" it has still somehow creeped up to almost a pound today.

I dont think that by not voting for blair would make a difference (even though hes a lapdog for bush and he shouldnt have got back in), I think this would be the case under any government.

I also think most people in the UK supported the petrol shortage. True we had to go short on petty which also means we had to go short on everything else but if it worked it would have been worth it.

I think the only way to reduce petty prices is to do the same again and if it carries on this way i think it will happen. There have already been talks this year about creating another blockade.

[jpcesar]

Just for you guys have a clue...

Here in Portugal the gasoline prices are: USD 1.6 for Litre = 0.264172051 US gallons

You fill up your car gas tank and you pay USD 65 ! for a 40l tank.

[yfs1]

Yes I was def. refering to the USA. Actually I woudn't really think anyone from over seas would have any input about the president over here. but hey I guess I was wrong.

I have dual citizenship as I was born and grew up in the US

I'm not sure what would give you the impression though that someone that isn't from the US, wouldn't care who was president or what they were doing. The US economy affects all of Europe and just about every part of the world. Gas Prices in the US effect the cost of imported goods here, tourism (high plane fares mean less people), and many other things.

[relixx]

Having just gotten a car I'm having to pay for my own petrol, and my blood pressure rises every time I hear "petrol price increase" on the TV. It's about R5,60 a litre here, and with the cost of living, that's a major sum. If only things in the middle east would settle down.

One thing I absolutely *love* is that whenever the petrol prices go up, prices in the shops go up and they claim things like it costs more to deliver the goods (even though the delivery trucks use diesel), etc, but when the petrol prices go down the shops always seems to have a reason to keep the prices up (which smacks of mismanagement if hey can't handle all these sudden, mysterious costs they have to cover)

What I'm curious about is, is with the price of petrol increasing why don't we see more ads pushinh for hybrid cars or cars with alternate fuel sources (hydrogen cells, etc). I'm sure people would start snapping them up if it means saving money in the long run...

As for Bush, well, my view is that even if he's an idiot, at least you have a known quantity, unlike Kerry who's a flip-flop with his policies. IMHO, the only good president is a dead one because they're all corrupt, but hey we've got to live with them...

[ScrapbookPal]

I've just stopped looking at prices when I feel up. Think last time it came to $44. As for Hybrid cars, I looked into them. The civic hybrid didn't bet the civic by enough to cover the extra money you pay for it. It would take alot of driving to ever cover the extra costs. If the Hybrids came down in price I would buy one.

[blinxdk]

As I only have a 19liter / 5 gallon tank I don't really notice small fluctuations. I also get around 50 mpg when I drive nice so that helps too.

[wanboll]

I drive like my wheels are on fire so i suppose that doesnt help

[mopacfan]

I was going to sell my ford focus and buy a jeep liberty. Then the fuel prices started climbing and I'm going to keep my focus. As much as I'd like a jeep, I feel better knowing that I'm not spending my life savings at the fuel pump.

Oh yea, and I've got another focus (http://www.mopacfan.com/focus) for sale is anyone's interested, only 11k miles....

[Arnie]

I was going to sell my ford focus and buy a jeep liberty. Then the fuel prices started climbing and I'm going to keep my focus. As much as I'd like a jeep, I feel better knowing that I'm not spending my life savings at the fuel pump.

Oh yea, and I've got another focus (http://www.mopacfan.com/focus) for sale is anyone's interested, only 11k miles....

Its allways good to own a car then to be owned by a car;)

Too many people make themself slaves to their vehicles.

[isaiasd2003]

Now its like $3 (per gallon) solid all over :'(

[Hodgedup]

On CNN they had part of the federal investigation into price gouging and they said that in the last year crude oil prices have risen 60%, but gas prices have risen by 120%.

Also, they mentioned that 25% of gas stations in New Jersey were price gouging. The clip I say didn't mentioned who exactly was doing the reporting of the gas stations in NJ.

[Henny]

Price gouging? That is one phrase that drives me ballistic! Its called a free market, don't want to pay? dont buy! Why is it price gouging when a gas station owner marks up his feul by 50% but it isn't when you buy a bra at Victoria's Secret for 1000% markup. The average bra at VS is purchased from distributors for $2.00 and resold for $29.95. Or how about bottled water? C'mon.

[Henny]

I was going to sell my ford focus and buy a jeep liberty. Then the fuel prices started climbing and I'm going to keep my focus. As much as I'd like a jeep, I feel better knowing that I'm not spending my life savings at the fuel pump.

Oh yea, and I've got another focus (http://www.mopacfan.com/focus) for sale is anyone's interested, only 11k miles....


Get a Liberty turbo deisel!

[Hodgedup]

But the thing is if you don’t want to buy a bra at Victoria’s Secret for $30 you can go to Wal-mart and buy one for $4. Same with bottled water. You can’t do that with gas though.

As far as complaining about gas I’m not b*tching about prices. I drive a larger vehicle mainly for comfort. I’m 6’6” and for me to drive a smaller car I have to do a modified downward facing dog-blossoming flower yoga hybrid thing. I’m used to paying more for things though, like clothing.

The thing I have a problem with is gas companies saying the higher prices are strictly from increased crude oil prices. If they came out and said gas prices are higher, because people will pay more for it then I wouldn’t really care or if they said nothing at all. They don’t need to lie and make excuses.

[debunked]

But the thing is if you don’t want to buy a bra at Victoria’s Secret for $30 you can go to Wal-mart and buy one for $4. Same with bottled water. You can’t do that with gas though.

As far as complaining about gas I’m not b*tching about prices. I drive a larger vehicle mainly for comfort. I’m 6’6” and for me to drive a smaller car I have to do a modified downward facing dog-blossoming flower yoga hybrid thing. I’m used to paying more for things though, like clothing.

But I though that was a good position for you??

The thing I have a problem with is gas companies saying the higher prices are strictly from increased crude oil prices. If they came out and said gas prices are higher, because people will pay more for it then I wouldn’t really care or if they said nothing at all. They don’t need to lie and make excuses.

For some reason they had to tear down some refineries and now they blame the cost increase on refinery shortages - or not being able to produce enough.

[aqi32]

man i wish it was $3 a gallon here in spain :(

[relixx]

The price has just gone up to R5,91. It'll be going up another 31c in October. Ho. Ly. Crap.

It's about time I started cycling to work. It's only about, say, 26km away but itd be good exercise...

[Quality Master]

Prices are getting worse and worse by day...

[Dreamshop]

The average bra at VS is purchased from distributors for $2.00 and resold for $29.95.


Heck, they gotta find some way to pay for the million freakin paper catalogs they send me every year! Hello VS people, it's 2005...do you really need to print and waste thousands of pages just to sell a bra???

[Rod]

Petrol price in Australia is around AUD$1.40 per litre. This equates to US$6.50 per gallon. I reckon this will impact on all discretionary spending, and that means on-line ordering as well.

[Henny]

The thing I have a problem with is gas companies saying the higher prices are strictly from increased crude oil prices. If they came out and said gas prices are higher, because people will pay more for it then I wouldn’t really care or if they said nothing at all. They don’t need to lie and make excuses.


Last I heard they HAVE come out and said why prices are higher, we don't have any friggen refineries because the lefties out there won't allow one to be build, same with electrical and nat gas prices this winter, we sit on top of trillions of cubic feet of nat gas and those idiots like nancy pelosi wont let us get it. Same with oil and nuclear power. Every time you fill up, thank those tree hugging hippies called democrats. :mad: (did I mention I hate hippies?)

[debunked]

Last I heard they HAVE come out and said why prices are higher, we don't have any friggen refineries because the lefties out there won't allow one to be build, same with electrical and nat gas prices this winter, we sit on top of trillions of cubic feet of nat gas and those idiots like nancy pelosi wont let us get it. Same with oil and nuclear power. Every time you fill up, thank those tree hugging hippies called democrats. :mad: (did I mention I hate hippies?)

But the guy in your avatar is so cute?!?
:eek:

[Dreamshop]

Henny have you ever stopped to consider that current gas producers might NOT want more refineries? Think about supply and demand....the more supply the lower the prices. Henceforth lower profit margins. It's the same situation with hemp farms versus the paper industry, or alternative medicines versus pharmecutical corps.

Can anyone say biodiesel (http://www.biodiesel.org/)???

[debunked]

Can you say www.greasecar.com

I hope I can get a diesel van, but the prices are just a bit too high..

[Henny]

Henny have you ever stopped to consider that current gas producers might NOT want more refineries? Think about supply and demand....the more supply the lower the prices. Henceforth lower profit margins. It's the same situation with hemp farms versus the paper industry, or alternative medicines versus pharmecutical corps.

Can anyone say biodiesel (http://www.biodiesel.org/)???


Oh get real, that is so ignorant, if refineries could be built they would. You don't think a company would see all the money to be made by building a refinery? Economics 101. I am so suprised by your hemp crap, probably a goddam Hippy! :p

[Dreamshop]

Dude...it's cool you have an opinion, but please don't be a jerk about it.

[debunked]

Why did they shut down so many refineries in the last decade?

High fuel prices can lead to new markets, such as biodiesel, fuel cells, etc... This is a good time for someone who can see an opportunity.

[Henny]

Dude...it's cool you have an opinion, but please don't be a jerk about it.


Sorry, it was meant to come out as sarcasm, hope I didn't rub ya the wrong way ;)

[wanboll]

There all tough skinned mate, dont worry about it

[Hodgedup]

I don’t know if anyone has heard this or not but ExxonMobil’s profits are predicted to go above $10 billion this quarter (69% increase from last year) and they were, also, given a tax break. Nice to know that they are only passing on the cost of this whole crisis and not trying to make extra money.

http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=101320#

[Henny]

Wow, that is F-d up Hodge, thanks for the link, this should be front page news, but sadly it is not.