Site running co-op and LV together

[wtl]

(which is against the co-op terms of service)

http://www.jesus.big-love.info/

Should have titled this one "Sites", as there are more:

http://www.mps-golf.com/

[digitalpoint]

Taken care of.

[wtl]

Another:

http://www.cadillacforums.com

More:

http://www.stemnews.com
http://www.kingdomfighter.com

And yet more:

http://www.missouri-lawyer-search.com
http://www.daysnews.info
http://www.pearsonwholesale.com
http://www.texas-lawyer-search.com
http://www.svato.com
http://www.madhuri.ca/

[fryman]

wow, how did you find all of these sites?

[wtl]

All [state]-lawyer-search.com sites (where [state] is a US state), appear to be running both networks.

Also:

http://www.cardtemplates.com
http://www.the-accountant-search.com

I'm finding these by looking through my list of placed links at link-vault.com. When I switched from co-op to LV, I was careful to honor the co-op terms of service and not run both, and am irritated that other co-op users are thumbing their noses at the TOS.

http://www.candlesbystone.com
http://www.a1-giftshop.com

So far I've only made it through 2 pages of 11 at link-vault.com for my placed links, and have found this many sites running both networks.

Shawn, if you don't mind posting here again to let me know that you're seeing the entire list, I just want to make sure you didn't see just the first post...

[digitalpoint]

All taken care of... thanks.

[wtl]

From my third pages of links (8 more to go):

http://regional.info.superhost.pl
http://oscusers.com
http://www.online-promotion-uk.co.uk
http://www.elegantgowns.com
http://www.poolgo.com

http://www.buerobedarf-deluxe.de
http://www.travelmt.com

http://www.hardwaresoftwarearticles.com
http://www.mortgagesaver.org
http://www.6k2.com
http://www.the-dentist-search.com
http://www.speed-detectors.co.uk

(time for a break)

[digitalpoint]

Cool... those ones are done too on this end.

[GuyFromChicago]

Man, here I thought I had nailed quite a few people:) Hats off to wtl for spending his afternoon exposing the assholes.

[wtl]

Thanks GuyFromChicago. I'm only getting started though. Those came from my list of placed links at LV, and I went through less than half of the list for one link of ours only. I have far to go before getting them all.

[fryman]

Nice work, wtl, keep them coming

[woodside]

So say a stupid person happened to be running both (me!). Is this a permenant co-op ban or is it possible to use the co-op again after removing all the LV code? One get out of jail free card?

[digitalpoint]

So say a stupid person happened to be running both (me!). Is this a permenant co-op ban or is it possible to use the co-op again after removing all the LV code? One get out of jail free card?For this pass of bans, I'm going to let people back in that ask (and of course are compliant now). But a "get out of jail free" policy is NOT going to be happening going forward (and that's only because someone could claim they didn't know). I'm going to make some changes so people are not going to be able to claim they didn't read the TOS.

[fryman]

That would be easy, a simple checkbox saying that they have read the TOS before letting them sign up would do the job

[expat]

Thanks GuyFromChicago. I'm only getting started though. Those came from my list of placed links at LV, and I went through less than half of the list for one link of ours only. I have far to go before getting them all.

Well it's nice to know that someone who is associated with chistian hosting needs to suck up to dp .....

Yes it's against the TOS but it is a different matter and there is this matter of "who throws the first stone - hope you don't have a glasshouse...

So I hope this gives you max satisfaction.

Expat

[fryman]

I don't see why he is "sucking up" to DP or why you would care, unless you are in that list

[digitalpoint]

Well it's nice to know that someone who is associated with chistian hosting needs to suck up to dp .....{scratching head} Not sure why "Christian Hosting" has anything to do with anything. I also wouldn't say that someone helping to maintain the quality of the ad network is sucking up. Other people have reported TOS violations (other networks, bait and switch (changing site content to something not allowed after the ad was reviewed), cloaking, altering output of ads, etc.) I'm glad people report them, because I can't personally monitor 20,000+ sites for compliance every day.

Yes it's against the TOS but it is a different matter and there is this matter of "who throws the first stone - hope you don't have a glasshouse...If it's against the TOS, then that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

[expat]

oopps forgot I took my sites out of coop quite qhile back.

well it's my opinion as LV is fairly undetectable you have to be a member or run a site there to see it

(.......From my third pages of links (8 more to go):.... pretty good indication....)

I could understand a warning on LV - but I have seen none by him -

So as far as I'm concerned it is what I wrote.

I highly regard DP, Shawn and the networks but I don't like something like this as it is not nessesary.

I also understand that coop tries to guard and retain quality - but using a little sucker is a bit of a let down....

Expat

Other people have reported TOS violations (other networks, bait and switch (changing site content to something not allowed after the ad was reviewed), cloaking, altering output of ads, etc.) I'm glad people report them, because I can't personally monitor 20,000+ sites for compliance every day.

If it's against the TOS, then that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

Shawn I don't argue with you and yes TOS is TOS.
I just get wound up if people bosting about being a snout.

If I would be in your place, yes every time I get a notification I'll ban...

Just you could become a Yahoo where a complaint is acted upon unchecked....
With newtorks like LV an interesting situation apears ...
I could have a site in coop, another in LV (not against TOS) and run a private db of links...
So a competitor or "well meaning" person can easily throw my site out of DP...
Expat

[digitalpoint]

Just you could become a Yahoo where a complaint is acted upon unchecked....
With newtorks like LV an interesting situation apears ...
I could have a site in coop, another in LV (not against TOS) and run a private db of links...
So a competitor or "well meaning" person can easily throw my site out of DP...Agreed, and I've thought about that myself. Every reported site (ever) has been manually looked at, and a couple were even not banned because I wasn't 100% certain about it. Usually it's pretty easy to see though.

So far, a false positive ban hasn't happened, but if it does, I don't think it would take long for it to be brought to light and corrected.

[woodside]

My site is compliant now, I've sent you a PM. Thanks.

[RectangleMan]

Expat I don't see the problem with a member of the coop and LV trying to work toward the quality they are both suppose to maintain. It's not only better for coop but also LV if they are not mixed.

I prefer LV and would rather NOT see sites using both on my LV links.

[expat]

so do I.
I do send pm warnings to sites I see BUT I would not boast about it.

Both networks have certain advantages and work well so there is no desperate need to have vigilates...

Expat

[wtl]

My intent was not to "boast". I was just suprised to find so many sites violating the DP TOS, and decided to report them. I suppose to calm you down, I can report them privately to Shawn.

We made the decision some time ago to split our site and run DP on part of it, LV on another. I took pains to make sure that I didn't violate the DP TOS (or the LV one for that matter, but it doesn't have any such restrictions), when I made the changes. Apparently many people don't bother to honor the TOS, so I figured I'd report 'em.

We eventually went 100% LV, and are currently not running the co-op at all, although we keep an eye on developments and may run it again. It's hard for me how to imagine how I'm "sucking up" to DP considering we don't have any co-op links on our site?

so do I.
I do send pm warnings to sites I see BUT I would not boast about it.

Both networks have certain advantages and work well so there is no desperate need to have vigilates...

Expat

[mortgage-pro-seo]

Shawn the tools you have created are great and I use them on a daily basis.

One of my coop accounts was banned because of this TOS. I did not realize the TOS violation.

It would have been nice to have been notified before the account was disabled. Even after my account was disabled the coop continued to show ads on my domains. I think that was wrong!

[digitalpoint]

Shawn the tools you have created are great and I use them on a daily basis.

One of my coop accounts was banned because of this TOS. I did not realize the TOS violation.

It would have been nice to have been notified before the account was disabled. Even after my account was disabled the coop continued to show ads on my domains. I think that was wrong!If you want to use the co-op ad network (within the TOS), that's fine... Just make it compliant and post the URL. As I said in a previous post, this round of bannings aren't permanent since people could argue they didn't know. But going forward they will be permanent (I put a note about it on the setup page so people can't argue they didn't know).

[expat]

.....From my third pages of links (8 more to go):......

Not boasting? come on.....

I simply fail to understand what you expect out of this as you say you're not in coop but LV and it is not agains the TOS of LV.

Yes that doesen't make it right - but people acting like you make this world a smaller less desirable place.

WM's may or may not be aware of TOS and one should give them the benefit of the boubt and I would have expected this list to go up first in LV - than one can report or simply ban them from your sites.

To be quite clear about this, it's a free world and business is not fair but promoting a signature domain with a specific "label" like yours do make people like me expect a certain "etikete" .......

Expat

PS It tastes of 13 pices of silver.....

[woodside]

My site is now compliant www travelmt com - sorry for the problems.

[rohitgoel]

These sites are now compatible with COOP TOS. Sorry for the trouble.

www.florida-lawyer-search.com
www.candlesbystone.com
www.gaming4dummies.com


thanks

[wtl]

To be quite clear about this, it's a free world and business is not fair but promoting a signature domain with a specific "label" like yours do make people like me expect a certain "etikete" .......

Expat

PS It tastes of 13 pices of silver.....

What I expect is for people using the co-op to honor its TOS. If you are, you have nothing to whine about. If not, I guess your free ride on both networks is over, sorry.

And, by the way, it's 30 pieces of silver, not 13.

[expat]

..I was just leaving you some change.... you may need it...
Expat

[rohitgoel]

Shawn, What more do I have to do to get the urls enabled again in COOP. Please help.

[digitalpoint]

Just make them compatible with the ad network TOS (and keep them that way).

[rohitgoel]

I have enabled COOP (no more link vault) on these sites.

www.kentucky-lawyer-search.com
www.north-dakota-lawyer-search.com

I request you to re-enable the respective accounts.

thanks

[digitalpoint]

Ok, should be fine for those.

[SERPalert]

Agreed, and I've thought about that myself. Every reported site (ever) has been manually looked at, and a couple were even not banned because I wasn't 100% certain about it. Usually it's pretty easy to see though.

So far, a false positive ban hasn't happened, but if it does, I don't think it would take long for it to be brought to light and corrected.

Just a thought. Would it be wise to "suspend" accounts instead of banning/removing them. Just in case there is a false positive they can get their account/referers back etc.

[digitalpoint]

If they are unbanned, everything is restored as it was.

[rohitgoel]

Hi Shawn,
I PMed you a few more urls. Can you unban them as well please.
regards
Rohit

[rohitgoel]

Hi Shawn,
Will it be possible to look at my PM and unban the urls.
regards
Rohit

[SERPalert]

Hi Shawn,
Will it be possible to look at my PM and unban the urls.
regards
Rohit

Check Shawns sig, he wont respond to product support (or indeed some non product support) pm's.

[digitalpoint]

You would need to post them in order for me to look at them.

[Svato]

What's the problem of using both COOP and LV on one site anyway?

From the TOS:
-------------------------------
Co-op ad network ads should be the exclusive ad network used for that site. This means those sites are not able to utilize a similar advertising network (Google AdSense and other contextual ads are not considered similar). The main reason for this is to prevent users from overloading their own sites with ads and diminishing the overall quality of the sites in the ad network.
-------------------------------

I don't think that having a few more outbound links on the same page is doing any harm. Total of 10 outbound links per page is totally acceptable in my opinion. And linking between COOP and LV sites just makes the network bigger and the links more spread out across more sites.

LV doesn't mind having COOP links on the same page, only COOP is worried about linking to LV sites... Since permanent links are the way to go, I think it is a lot more beneficial running both networks than only coop (if I had to choose only one, LV would be it).

[rohitgoel]

Shawn,
The urls are named like "everystate"-lawyer-search.com. There are too many to list here. I hope this is enough. Otherwise I will have to post all of them here.
regards
Rohit

[digitalpoint]

Okay, done.

[rohitgoel]

Thanks a lot, Shawn.

[Svato]

Shawn,

Can you please reactivae my site svato.com, I have removed LV from it. I was unable to create a new account with that domain, it says that there is already an account with that URL.

Thanks.

[digitalpoint]

Okay, it's been done.

[Sal Collaziano]

My apologies for overlooking this rule in the TOS. Has it always been the rule? I signed-up pretty early on. In any event, I've removed myself from the Link Vault. I value the Co Op very highly and I hope to be back in the system soon.

www.cadillacforums.com/forums/

Sorry for the delay in response. Please let me know when I might be able to log back into my account... Thank you for the Co Op...

[digitalpoint]

Sorry for the delay in response. Please let me know when I might be able to log back into my account... Thank you for the Co Op...You should be good to go.

[Sal Collaziano]

Thank you very much...