Microsoft attacks on Google

rahulm

Mar 6th 2007, 4:23 am

hey friends

Microsoft attacks on Google, saying that the search giant's rival book-scanning service "systematically violates copyright".Google plans to scan millions of books and journals from libraries around the world and make them available.
However, Microsoft lawyer Thomas Rubin will say in a speech that by doing this without seeking permission, Google has left itself wide open to the accusation of copyright infringement.

find more details at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/business/6422471.stm

thanx

digital1

Mar 6th 2007, 10:03 am

Nice find, rahulm. Made for an interesting read. Green rep heading your way. ;)

oseymour

Mar 6th 2007, 10:48 am

don't take it out of context, Google is allowing small parts, maybe 5 pages out of an 800 page book available. Its the same thing Amazon and other online book sellers do without permission. How is it different from me going into barnes and noble and reading two chapters before buying.

I don't know what the complaint is because its going to help us find books that were otherwise hidden and forgotten.

Ballz

Mar 6th 2007, 10:52 am

no part of this book may be reproduced in any manner.. print.. electrionic... etc...

ah violation party

Tipem

Mar 6th 2007, 11:09 am

I think G and M are both idiots. ;D Let's just keep it at that.

Mong

Mar 6th 2007, 11:54 am

Quality of books scan make this service nearly worthless :-|

codeber

Mar 6th 2007, 1:48 pm

Publishers would make a fortune if they would only work with modern technologies.

if i could find books by searching, i might go out and buy it.

Digital books are the way forward.

trichnosis

Mar 6th 2007, 2:46 pm

i think a billions of dollar company has a solution for the "violate copyright" . i dont know what they will do but i believe google will find solution for this

KeyboardHustler

Mar 6th 2007, 2:51 pm

Google going to get a bit too big if that happends. Someone needs to stand their way soon.

w3bmaster

Mar 6th 2007, 3:49 pm

Microsoft always atacks companys that are uper in a field where microsoft can't monopoll it ...

NashTax

Mar 6th 2007, 3:50 pm

Nice find.

I'm sure they'll know

Addurobi

Mar 6th 2007, 3:52 pm

Ohene

Mar 6th 2007, 4:08 pm

attacked them huh?

they use any missiles?

The Stealthy One

Mar 6th 2007, 5:28 pm

It's just for publicity. ;)

vincentv

Mar 6th 2007, 5:30 pm

interesting news. Thanks for sharing

FIVE539

Mar 6th 2007, 5:34 pm

microsoft: rubish

Outstrip

Mar 6th 2007, 5:40 pm

microsoft: rubish
Agreed! But what the heck, microsoft looks like agreesive these days.

mvandemar

Mar 6th 2007, 8:12 pm

Google going to get a bit too big if that happends. Someone needs to stand their way soon.

I nominate you. Sic em lad!

-Michael

TorchedSEO

Mar 6th 2007, 8:24 pm

I can smell the clickbank sales page already "Learn the secrets the gurus have been using to publish books and make millions of dollars from google!"

shetty

Mar 6th 2007, 10:35 pm

Microsoft did not think of it first that is the only reason they are attacking .... it is no different from amazon or the reviews / extracts you read in magazines or newspaper

rahulm

Mar 7th 2007, 5:24 am

wo wo, wait a minute there, Microsoft! Why the hell do you care? ;)

It ruin's Mic's image to just say stuff about another company when it's none of their business. I don't see Microsoft publishing books or journals.

Ya ur right this is none of the MS business...........i think MS is not capable enough to complete google in search techniques........so they start its negative markeitng

omecool

Mar 7th 2007, 7:55 am

Microsoft attacking google on this matter is like pot calling kettle black. Cant they remember the DOJ case years ago ? What about the EU case ...? .. yeah, they cant win search, so they going after Google through other ways ..

gauravjain26

Mar 7th 2007, 8:42 am

koolasia

Mar 7th 2007, 8:46 am

i am sure google has a strong team of lawyers

codeassist

Mar 7th 2007, 8:54 am

If you ask me, both companies are birds of the same flock. Got too big and forgot where they came from then ultimately forcing people to their will.

Google + Microsoft = Monopolistic Greed

oseymour

Mar 7th 2007, 9:04 am

no part of this book may be reproduced in any manner.. print.. electrionic... etc...

ah violation party

you are allowed to use excerpts. how do you explain what amazon and other book sellers do in order to sell the books?

mvandemar

Mar 7th 2007, 12:37 pm

you are allowed to use excerpts. how do you explain what amazon and other book sellers do in order to sell the books?

For one, as far as I know they use reviews, not excerpts. For another, I bet where they do use copyrighted material they have permission.

-Michael

rahulm

Mar 7th 2007, 10:25 pm

nice thing you mentioned rahulm

but as far as copy righting issues are concerned i think google never had a clean chit in this nor they get into any trouble

actually i read it some where that google enjoys economies of scale even in sorting out legal issues

gaurav

Thats true gaurav.............

it might be long battle.....on this copyright issue ..........and i m sure google wud not care for that.........they do wht ever they want.........

Kalyse

Mar 7th 2007, 10:27 pm

Isnt this old news? I remember this being brought up around a year ago?

graemep

Mar 7th 2007, 10:50 pm

For one, as far as I know they use reviews, not excerpts. For another, I bet where they do use copyrighted material they have permission.

-Michael

They do use the text of books, but only with permission, for their search inside functionality - I just posted them the permission to use the print version of my website.

However, Google are relying on exceptions to copyright law, "fair use" in this case. This exemption exists to allow things like quotes in reviews without the publishers permission.

They are probably right about this being OK in the US, they may run into problems in other countries, as happened with Google News.

harish

Mar 8th 2007, 10:08 pm

Microsoft always atacks companys that are uper in a field where microsoft can't monopoll it ...

True......MS can never stand aside google

BlackCoder

Mar 8th 2007, 10:19 pm

True......MS can never stand aside google

Are you serious? MS has been around since the 80's with DOS and have a near complete monopoly in their field. I bet every singe corporate PC at Google uses Windows. Just because Google is smack dab in the face of internet users everyday, don't think that MS is out for the count!

The biggest thing about Google is Google.com and youtube.com

Microsoft has:

Windows, Zune, MSN, Hotmail, Xbox, Programming enviroments Visual Basic, C++, Java, ASP, Microsoft Office etc,...

The average user can most certainly live without Google, but they can NOT live without Microsoft.

rahulm

Mar 8th 2007, 11:00 pm

Are you serious? MS has been around since the 80's with DOS and have a near complete monopoly in their field. I bet every singe corporate PC at Google uses Windows. Just because Google is smack dab in the face of internet users everyday, don't think that MS is out for the count!

The biggest thing about Google is Google.com and youtube.com

Microsoft has:

Windows, Zune, MSN, Hotmail, Xbox, Programming enviroments Visual Basic, C++, Java, ASP, Microsoft Office etc,...

The average user can most certainly live without Google, but they can NOT live without Microsoft.

I was talking about Live.com v/s google.com .............

BlackCoder

Mar 8th 2007, 11:09 pm

I was talking about Live.com v/s google.com .............
What are you talking about? I never even quoted you. I quoted harish.

rahulm

Mar 8th 2007, 11:17 pm

What are you talking about? I never even quoted you. I quoted harish.

Come on BC..see first post(#21) of this page we all are discussing abt search engines not the OS or GUI povided by MS or any other..thats why it was FYI

harish

Mar 8th 2007, 11:42 pm

What are you talking about? I never even quoted you. I quoted harish.

rahulm is right BlackCoder we r talkin about search engines and its techs. anyways in response to ur post...... Now MS is fighting with Mac and fedora in OS & its GUI tools market so soon monopoly of MS would get over.

BlackCoder

Mar 9th 2007, 1:02 pm

Yes, but neither one of you stated live.com vs. Google. You said:

"Microsoft can never stand aside Google".

That leads one to assume you are referring to the companies themselves and not their services/products.

rahulm

Mar 10th 2007, 1:46 am

i am sure google has a strong team of lawyers

Ya right....:rolleyes: and i m sure that MS lawyers also use google to find material for their case ;)

gauravjain26

Mar 10th 2007, 10:36 pm

yes rahulm

moreover they have clear competitive advatage just coz of that strong team

but i think ethical business and corporate responsibility started pressuring google as well

their magic tech launch for youtubes shows that only

i think they are a bit more concerned than before about this copy writting issue

but one thing is clear they are safe absolutely coz no one can do any harm to them even if they voilates the copy writting law

they enjoys a real good possition

gaurav

mkmnynow

Mar 10th 2007, 11:40 pm

This is a tough situation :x

gauravjain26

Mar 11th 2007, 12:39 am

whats tough in this mkmnynow???/

let me know plz what you meant?

adscience

Mar 11th 2007, 12:45 am

Microsoft doing politics, huh!!!!

gauravjain26

Mar 11th 2007, 12:49 am

what politics??????

i dont think they doing anything more than corporate war

i mean many company do this in different industries as well

so i dont think they are doing anything unfair but ya its not ethical but its comman

very comman